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Feminism’s Terrible Blunder, or
Want to “Have It All”?  Then Don’t Do It Backwards
By John Ross

There’s been a fair amount of discussion on “career women,” and the value of educating our daughters so that they can succeed in the fields that were once populated only by men.  I don’t fall into the “Women should just stay home and have babies” camp, because a woman shouldn’t do that if she doesn’t want to. I have no problem at all with women who want to climb the corporate ladder, pursue careers in traditionally male fields, etc.

I also agree with something a woman friend said in a discussion of men and women, that an intelligent and educated woman is a better choice for a wife, both for the genes that she splits with her husband and passes along to their children, as well as being a more interesting mate to talk to and be with.

What I see as the fundamental problem with women pursuing careers is the near-universal assumption these women make: That they will be able to “pencil in” a suitable husband at whatever point that they decide it’s time to marry and have kids. That is a very dangerous assumption, because it’s seldom true, and I’ll explain why.

Some time ago (15 years?) the Wall Street Journal had one of those human interest stories they run regularly. I wish I could dig it up to get the details exactly right, but I well remember the salient points:

The story was about a woman, never married, who had risen to the top of some fairly big company. As I recall, it wasn’t Fortune 500 size, but it was big and she had done a great job at directing the company’s growth and making it successful. In the process, she herself had amassed a seven-figure net worth, with an annual income of a half-million or so.

She was 46, as I recall, and couldn’t find a suitable man to date and marry. The article chronicled her attempts to rectify this situation, including her hiring an expensive service in NYC that specialized in matching up busy executives with suitable mates.

The service matched her up with some men, but none were much interested. This woman seemed amazed (and despondent) that the male executives the service fixed her up with (and that she was attracted to) weren’t much interested in seeing her a second time. There had been a couple of men that wanted to see her again, but their incomes were a small fraction of hers and she didn’t want much to do with them as she viewed them as not being successful.

The lady theorized that the men who weren’t interested were “intimidated by a strong woman,” and lamented that male executives had fragile egos, and needed doormats for mates, etc. It was a fairly detailed article.

Shortly thereafter, the letters section printed reader’s responses to this article, and one guy nailed the situation dead-center.

He said the woman was failing to see the basic economic principle of comparative advantage, on which all successful trade, commerce, and business is based. He wrote that he was surprised such a financially savvy person was apparently oblivious to what was so obvious to him.

Comparative advantage means you are most valuable to someone who needs what you have, because without you, they can’t have it. Florida can sell oranges and orange juice at a profit to people here in Missouri, even after paying shipping costs, because orange trees won’t grow here, and so if we want orange juice with breakfast, we have to get it from them.

Comparative advantage also says that you should concentrate your time and energy on that which rewards you the most highly, to the point of hiring others to do work that you may even be better at than they are.

Example: A neurosurgeon who happens to be a world-record typist that can type 200 words per minute is still better off hiring a 60 wpm stenographer to transcribe his notes, because there are lots of stenographers who’ll work for less than $20 an hour, and his time is better spent doing more neurosurgeries which pay hundreds of times that rate.

The letter-writer’s point was that the woman executive in the article was failing to grasp this economic fact. The male executives weren’t “afraid of strong women,” they weren’t interested because this woman didn’t offer them anything they didn’t already have.  They already had lots of money. They already had financial and business success.

The letter-writer pointed out that the men who had shown interest were the ones that were younger and hadn’t had the business success that she had. They were attracted to her because she offered what they didn’t have. Unfortunately, the woman executive didn’t grasp this, and for some reason didn’t see that her situation made her much more attractive to pool boys than to Lee Iacocca.

This is the great tragedy of feminism: The so-called women’s movement has encouraged women to get specialized education and pursue careers right out of school. Feminists have said over and over that women can succeed at any business endeavor a man can.  THIS IS TRUE.  But what makes this message so damaging:  Saying it over and over to young women has distracted them from remembering (or realizing) that they have a tremendous comparative advantage over men. This comparative advantage is their ability to have children, and it exists for only part of their lives.

If a woman doesn’t particularly want to bear children, fine. But almost all of the young women I meet do have a strong maternal instinct and say they definitely want kids. Why don’t they realize that their youth and ability to bear children are expiring assets? Why are they doing what you can do at any time (work in a business) during the only time they possess those valuable assets?

What if a recent college graduate who was the star pitcher for his college baseball team told you that he intended to play Major League professional baseball, but not until after he’d gotten his law degree and had established a successful law practice? You’d think he was crazy, yet women do the equivalent every day.

Here’s a radical idea for the women who want to “have it all”: Do it in the logical order, which is the reverse of what you’ve been doing.

Whether or not a woman’s youth and fertility are her most valuable assets, they are inarguably expiring assets. They are like a $200 voucher for a private eating establishment that declines by $10 every month you don’t use it. If you don’t ever want to eat at that place, fine, let the voucher expire.

But if one of your life’s goals is to fully experience that eating establishment, use your voucher early.

There are women I know personally who do “have it all,” in both my and their opinion. In all cases, these women married and had their children early, i.e. youngest child born when the mother was 25 or younger. Once all the children were in school, these women entered the work force, at least part-time. When the kids were old enough to start looking out for themselves, i.e. in college or at least driving, the mothers became serious about a career.

In one case, the woman went to law school and is now a successful lawyer. Because she had her kids early, her body recovered easily, and at age 49 she has two grandchildren and looks like one of those hot 30-year-old woman lawyers on a TV series. Getting her law degree at a later age didn’t hurt her skill level or ability to find work: she was my lawyer in my divorce and she couldn’t have been better. I think her husband is one of the luckiest men alive.

Another woman had her first child at age 19 and then twins two or three years later. When the kids were all in school, she started working part-time. At one point she worked in a consignment shop, and felt the owner was making some bad business decisions. At around age 45, with the kids out of college, she opened her own consignment shop. Now, a little over a decade later, she’s making almost $200,000 a year and looks great.

A third had two children by age 24.  After they were in high school, when she was 38 or so, she got her real estate agent’s license.  Now she’s about 55 or so and making well over $100,000 a year.  Do I need to tell you she is great-looking?

Which of the career paths listed below makes more sense?:

1.  Focus on career right out of school, have recreational sex with pleasant male companions your own age, be on the success track for 10-15 years, then panic when you realize you want children but you don’t want to derail your career, your looks are starting to fade compared to the twentysomethings, there aren’t any men that seem interested in marrying you, and in any event, you’re running out of time,

or

2.  After high school or during college, focus on finding a man about 10 years older who has established himself in the last decade and who wants a family.  Use your youth, looks, and fertility to find the best possible man for the role of Husband and Father.  Have children at a young age, soon after you finish your schooling, while you have lots of energy and your body will recover quickly.  Be there for the kids when they need you, and let your husband do the financial lifting.  Be good to both the kids and your husband, and be thinking about what your career dreams are while caring for your family.  Talk to your husband about these dreams.  Tell him you don’t want to just sit around the house at age 40-45.  Then go after your dream, once the kids are of majority age.  You’ve still got a few good decades left, plenty of time for career success.

Many women who pursue careers find they don’t like it nearly as much as they expected.  Far fewer women have children and then wish they hadn’t.  Why not do the kid thing first, while your body is primed for it, and start a career later in life?

You can start a new business at any age.  I started a new venture at age 46–I set up a shooting school.  Now, two years later, it’s very successful and continues to grow, showing every indication of becoming the major force in my regional market.

Think a shooting school doesn’t count, because it’s not going to be big enough to be a real “career”?  Then try this one: A 65-year-old man living on Social Security with a used car and a love of cooking drove around the Southeast in the 1950s, cooking samples of food to persuade restaurant owners to buy his special blend of seasonings.  When he made enough money from spice sales and found a financial backer, he opened his own little restaurant, selling one kind of food made with his blend of seasonings.  It was successful, so he licensed others to open similar establishments.  When he died 25 years later at age 90, Colonel Harlan Sanders left behind his legacy: Kentucky Fried Chicken, now KFC.

A man who wants a family can’t have it without a woman.  He would prefer a young, fertile one.  She will have the energy to keep up with kids, and her body will recover quickly from pregnancy and childbirth.  Men know that a woman’s sex drive and looks decline.  We’d like to start with one where the decline hasn’t already gone on for a couple decades.

A woman who wants both a career and children faces a number of problems if she gets on the career track first, and intends to marry and have kids later.  First, since men are good at earning money, we don’t much care about your income level–that old comparative advantage thing.  We want your youth, looks, and fertility–we’ve already got the money thing covered.  Get to be 35 and still single and you’ll find that the men who want to get married want to do so because they want to have kids.  Thus, they want someone in the peak of her reproductive years, not the end of them.  Second, if you do find a husband, becoming a mother around age 40 means being an old woman for most of your children’s adult life.  When your kids grow up, wouldn’t it be nice to be young enough to still do active things with them for a decade or two?  And what if after 12-15 years of the career track, you realize you’re burnt out?  Now what?  Quit work to get married?  What sane man wants a 35-year-old woman who has decided she doesn’t like working?

Last of all, if you marry a man 10-15 years older, and start your career after the kids are grown or at least able to drive, your husband is likely to be very supportive of your dreams.  Men are very loyal to those who are good to us.  If you’ve been a great wife and mother, we are going to applaud your wanting to get out of the house and bring in some income.  We’re going to be thrilled if you replace some or all of the family savings that were drained when the tuition bills came due.  We’re going to be proud of you making a financial success of yourself, so that you now truly “have it all.”  We’d love to retire and play golf or whatever, and admire your success.

And if you decide the career track isn’t for you after a few years (or a decade), we won’t be upset.  You can quit at age 45 or 50 and do something part-time and your husband will never have any complaints.  You let him have a wonderful family, were a great wife, and a wonderful mother to his children.

But going the career track first is very dangerous in that it completely wastes much or all of a woman’s major asset of fertility and youth.

Angela Fiori put it succinctly in her excellent piece Feminism’s Third Wave:

Feminism proclaimed that for women to be fulfilled, they had to adopt the career ambitions of workaholic men, the sexual promiscuity of John F. Kennedy, and the cynicism of Gloria Steinem (the pre-married one, that is).

Can you think of any demographic group other than women who would have bought into this prescription for complete disaster and then cried “victim” when the Bunker Buster of Inevitable Biology crashed through the roof and blew up in their faces? Think Wile E. Coyote. No, think of someone much dumber.

It’s obviously too late for any childless career women out there in their 30s.  The people that need to understand are today’s high school- and college-age women who want a career and a family.

If you have multiple goals, and achieving one of them requires that you do it before a certain expiration date, work on that one first.  Duh.

John Ross 8/30/2005

Reader Comments:

One question: what advice would you give to your high-school aged daughter (if you have or had one) regarding this issue in terms of career selection?

Good question. She’s 12 now and obviously doesn’t know what area interests her most.

My advice is usually generic. For example, make life choices that DON’T close important doors. Make choices that create future opportunities.

The more specialized one’s knowledge, the more limited one’s earning opportunities. A man who is good with his hands and has a good set of tools can get work anywhere. A lawyer who specializes in a particular area of the tax code may have a much higher income, but I guarantee that he has massively higher overhead, or his employer does, and that means he either is trapped being a wage slave, or in danger of being replaced by a harder worker.

I would urge my daughter to do things that will create opportunities and safety nets for her. One such example might be to get a teaching credential along with her college education. Public schools in Missouri pay well and have GREAT retirement benefits, but you need the piece of paper.

I will encourage her to think like a small business owner: How can I keep my overhead down and maximize my ability to take advantage of opportunities? How can I use my talents?

I personally have always been uncomfortable having all my income come from a single source. What if it goes away? Wouldn’t it be better if only some of it could stop at any given moment? Wouldn’t it be nice if one venture marketed the others? Students who like my shooting school and readers who like my writing often decide they like the way my mind works and thus want to do business with my investment firm.

I won’t specifically advise my daughter to marry and have kids early, I will instead get her thinking about the issue and understand the logical implications and consequences of whatever choices she makes.

Another man asked:

Outside of sex and being a mother for the kids, what would an older man have in common with a 20 year old? I would have to believe that a large part of a successful relationship, (i.e. “an interesting mate to talk and be with”) relies on common interests, intellect, and respect. Without those, the marriage will also likely fail. Another thought, if you marry her when she’s 20, and you’re 35, when she’s 35, you will be 50. Women are sexually shallow too, it’s a bad match, and she will probably cheat on you for something younger.

I think you’re falling into what I call the “soul mate myth” thinking trap. We imagine a woman that shares all our interests, knowledge areas, and dreams.

That generally doesn’t exist.

A more productive path would be to focus on finding a young woman with similar values, i.e. saver vs spender. Core values are usually instilled in childhood, and don’t change.

Perhaps it is men that should start thinking of women as raw material. We know they’re going to change, so get a young one and help her intellect and worldview change for the better.

Would I marry a 20-year-old?  Not now, at 48. I’m done having kids, and kids are the only reason for a successful man to get married. But 15 years ago, at 33? If she had a decent IQ, was a saver and not a spender, and was a voracious reader, I’d likely still be happily married. Now she’d be 35. Cheat on me at age 35 because I was too old, at 48?  Where have you been living?  35-year-old single women are desperate.  A 35-year-old married one with a 48-year-old husband and kids in high school, thinking about what her career was going to be in a few years, would be smiling at me every day.

This whole thing of women waiting longer to have kids has been an overall downer for them and a big part of the problem. They wake up in their 30s childless, and they see their options disappearing. No wonder they’re so unpleasant.

I know a few women who married VERY young, 14 and 15. The 14-year-old married the owner of a local Dog ‘n’ Suds where she had a part-time job. The 15-year-old married a 23-year-old man who owns a gun store and is a talented gunsmith. Both marriages have lasted over 35 years. The women are both over 50, and both have income-producing businesses they run out of their houses. When I see these women with their husbands, both genders are always smiling.

I think both these women may have woken up one morning in their late 30s and thought something like, “Hey, the kids are going to be out of the house soon, and I’m not even 40 yet! I’ve got a lot of good years left, and I don’t want to just watch soaps and get fat. I think I’ll talk to my husband about that catering business I’ve always dreamed of starting.”

I have carried on recent conversations with college girls, and if they’re well-read, they’re much more interesting to talk to than women my age who don’t like to read.  Easier on the eyes, too…

And a woman asked:

What’s to prevent the man from “trading up,” and leaving you a single mom?  In the marry-young-and-pop-’em-out scenario, now the woman is left with less work experience, less education=less opportunities to take care of herself.

Also, how are these young girls going to find the older men?  They wouldn’t really travel in the same circles, or have the same interests.

A successful 30-year-old man probably became successful by sticking to his word. Women don’t understand what breaking our word feels like to most men.

Yes, him dumping her for a “better model” could happen, but it’s not likely. Why? She IS the better model–she’s young, and she’s the mother of his children!  Since men initiate divorce only a third as often as women, this fear is misplaced.  More likely, she would use the divorce laws to cash out, and he should be worried about that.  And I don’t advocate cutting the young woman’s education short, education is very important for her.

And lastly, men will meet younger women where we’ve always met them: Everywhere.  And if more high school and college women read this article, decided it made sense, and started thinking this way, they’d start putting themselves in positions to meet men about ten years older.  They’d tell their older brothers, cousins, and other family members that they wanted a career path that would give them a family first, when their bodies and energy levels were best able to take it, and careers starting when the kids were almost old enough to vote.  Boys their own age may not be ready to shoulder the responsibilities of heading a family, but men a decade older who have never married and have established themselves, have.

Copyright 2005 by John Ross.  Electronic reproduction of this article freely permitted provided it is reproduced in its entirety with attribution given

Written by dontmarry

January 22, 2009 at 4:52 am

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  1. I like your article – particularly the comparative advantage bit.

    I don’t really agree with your summary, though. I think this approach could work for a lot of people, but, personally, I really liked having my early 20′s child-free. I am glad I had time to study (which I did until I was 25) and travel without a husband or kids. I also think one of the reasons I really appreciate the husband I have (who is 2.5 years older than me) is that I have done so much without him that I don’t crave independent time (which I am sure I would have if I had left my family of origin, done a degree and then married him immediately after completing it). I also know a lot of women who had kids young and, because they spent so much of their formative years caring for others, they failed to create an identity of their own and became a bit of a doormat. I also think that not a lot of 20 year old women would want a 30-35 year old guy – a single 20 year old friend of mine was refering to a 29 year old guy who was after her as an “old man”!? I think, generally, they like fit 22 year old guys!

    I do get what you are saying and agree with the gist of it. I am sure it will work well for some people, but a lot of women want more time to educate themselves, earn some money, have some independence, have a few relationships and then settle down – you know, kind of like guys! Besides, who exactly, are these 35 year old men settling with women in their 20′s supposed to have been having relationships with for the last 20 years or so?! Are they all virgins? Or are the women who are having careers shagging all of them until they hit 35 a la Samantha in Sex and the City!? In which case, I think this is going to make having kids and settling down an awful lot less attractive to women in their 20′s!

    From my own personal experience, I found that I seemed most attractive to the opposite sex when I was about 27 – guys younger than me wanted to date me, guys my age wanted to date me and guys 10 years older wanted to date me. I chose someone 2.5 years older than me and had my kids by the age of 32. Yes, I agree you don’t want to leave it too late, but early doesn’t suit everyone either – I say “Vive la difference!” and, if guys want kids with a hot young woman, they might need to get responsible and committed a bit sooner than 35!

    Rosie

    March 24, 2011 at 2:22 pm

  2. “But going the career track first is very dangerous in that it completely wastes much or all of a woman’s major asset of fertility and youth.”

    Really? A woman’s major assets are fertility and youth? Not intelligence, not a sense of humor, not a personality? Simply fertility and youth.

    You make it sound as though all women are good for is pushing out children and being pretty.

    Did you ever stop to think that many successful women searching for a partner aren’t necessarily after children, but rather someone who understands them and wants to be with them? It seems to me that these women are looking for a partner who appreciates them for who they are, and values them as a human being rather than as an attractive baby making machine (the way you suggest women should be valued).

    I would never recommend anyone take any of what you said to heart. If a woman wants to have children and start a family she should do so when she feels ready, with a person she sees fit to share her life with. I would in no way recommend a woman get married only a few years after finishing high school to someone 10 years her senior who views her as a commodity as you seemed to have suggested. That just seems like a way to resentment and divorce

    Anonymous

    April 10, 2011 at 10:49 am

  3. I find your article offensive and ignorant. While you do have a point in that if a woman wants kids she should not just be starting to look for a partner in her 40s, it is absolutely ridiculous that you think they should have babies before 25 if they want them, spend two decades doing nothing but raising them, and then enter the workforce in their forties.

    First of all, not every woman who wants kids, wants or SHOULD HAVE them in her twenties. I’m 27, and while I may want kids in the next few years, having them by now would have ruined my life. And likely the kids’ lives too. For most of us, our early and mid twenties should be about discovering who we are and what we want in life, a process severely disabled by having to spend most of the time taking care of young kids. This is something you seemed to have failed miserably to understand, but women are people. Just like men, we want success and we have identities to develop. Would you be OK with being married right out of college and spending two decades out of the workforce to raise kids, then starting your career at 45? No? So why should a woman be okay with it?

    It’s not just about having babies as soon as possible if you want them, it’s about being ready for them and being in the right place in your life to have them. I know women who became great mothers at 32 who would have been HORRIBLE mothers at 22. Obviously, there is a limit – female fertility drops drastically at 35, which is why it seems foolish for a woman to wait until she’s older than that and still expect to “have it all.” But that doesn’t mean that she needs to start having babies too early or that she needs to forgo a career until they are grown up. It is fairly easy to get pregnant until about 35 – the difference in fertility between ages 20 and 30 is almost negligible. There is a happy medium between your caveman ideas and the 46 year old woman you mentioned – a woman can go to school, spend her 20s establishing a career and identity WHILE also looking for a partner, get married in her late 20s or early 30s, have children between ages 30 and 35 ALL THE WHILE also focusing on her career, and not have to make unbearable sacrifices where either career or children are concerned.

    I also find it ridiculous that you seem to think women need to spend ALL their time raising their children. Let’s say for argument’s sake that your hideously ignorant belief that women should have all their kids before age 25 is actually true. Why can’t she be a mother and ALSO advance her career at the same time? Why does her life need to revolve around these kids only? Is her husband not supposed to help? Is he supposed to be the breadwinner while she does NOTHING else but cook, clean, and change diapers, only getting to use her education and skills when they’re grown up and many employers will have ZERO interest in her because her education is likely outdated and she doesn’t have nearly as much energy as the 20-somethings with whom she is competing for any given entry-level job?

    Can a woman start her career in her 40s after spending two decades as a housewife and mother and be successful? Absolutely. But is this limited to certain fields? ABSOLUTELY! If a woman wants to be a surgeon, for example, following your advice would make it so that she probably loses out on her career dream entirely. Very few med schools will even consider someone in their 40s because that person will have a significantly shorter career and thus be a less valuable investment on the part of the school. This is ESPECIALLY true for a woman who has no valuable experience whatsoever because she’s been just a wife and mother with nothing else going on for the past two decades. And then even if she gets accepted, it will be ten years of school before she gets to start her career – at a point in her life when she does not have the energy to start a successful medical career, a time when she should be starting to relax, enjoy having all the money she SHOULD HAVE BEEN earning for the last two decades when she was instead barefoot and pregnant in her husband’s kitchen, and enjoying a high status in her career instead of just starting out in her 50s.

    I think more women than you think know what they want, know what’s good for them, and can make better decisions for themselves than your advice would lend to.

    You also act like women are mostly valuable for their youth, beauty, and fertility to most men – well, if that’s true, these are not men I have any interest in whatsoever. I want a man who respects me and sees me as a person, a partner, and a best friend – not a trophy and a baby machine. What about a young woman who is barren because of an early fight with cancer? She may be completely undesirable and worthless to you, but I happen to know one such young woman who has a wonderful boyfriend who loves her and in no way sees her as being “defective.” He loves her for her, not for her ability to give him babies and is a much better man than the ones you describe could ever hope to be.
    I am 27, nowhere near past my prime (I look every bit as good if not BETTER than I did ten years ago), and I will only get married when I find someone who loves me for me, not for my ability to pop out his babies, be a young trophy, and be a housewife. I am completely mindful of the fact that I can’t wait 10 years to find a husband if I really want kids, but I am far more interested in finding a partner and best friend where we can support each other in our dreams together while simultaneously having kids if we want, rather than finding a rich guy who will take care of me while I pop out his babies, while my own career is nothing but an afterthought. I think this kind of environment is healthier for the kids as well, so that they don’t grow up thinking women should only be valued for their looks and their mothering abilities as you say.

    At 48, I think it is sad that these things need to be explained to you by someone just a little more than half your age. You need to educate yourself and learn to respect women.

    Anna

    January 1, 2012 at 7:25 pm

  4. I’m 27 and I have known since my teens that I can’t carry children. I guess I should go kill myself now since I’m washed up and useless?

    Yael

    January 2, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    • No.

      Do you have any other stunningly stupid logic you wish to share?

      Anonymous

      January 2, 2012 at 2:48 pm

      • Wow. Someone shares an intense feeling like that (completely justified response to this BS article from someone in that situation) and you respond with harsh words? You act all self- righteous in your response to me, but you seem like a TERRIBLE person. I am glad I don’t know you personally. Again, WOW.

        Anna

        January 2, 2012 at 5:30 pm

        • ask stupid questions and you receive stupid answers.

          Anonymous

          January 3, 2012 at 5:58 am

  5. “Why can’t she be a mother and ALSO advance her career at the same time?”

    Because kids need a parent at home. It’s sad this is something that has become forgotten.

    “Why does her life need to revolve around these kids only?”

    Why should it not? It’s what having kids is all about. It’s what being a good mother is all about. Once you have them it is their needs and wants that matter, not yours.

    I’m so tired of the younger generations selfishness. Constantly whinging and whining that they want more. Me, me, me, me, me. Constantly bleating that their inexperienced asses know best.

    Young lady, you may be 27 but you have a very childish mentality. You won’t be an adult until you can sacrifice, care, love and put the needs of your kids above your own. Why have kids if you’re not prepare to give them the very best of yourself? Why pursue a career for yourself and deny your kids your time, love and teachings? Wouldn’t those kids be better off with you at home? Welcoming them home from school, cooking them healthy dinners, teaching them how to read and write, teaching them about life. preparing them to be adults and to be able to cope with life when they leave home?

    Do you really think you can do that properly whilst pursuing your career? Well you can’t! So which do women wish to sacrifice, a career or their kids wellbeing? Every moment you spend on a career you are stealing from your kids. Of course, if you are prepared to be the bread winner and allow your husband to stay at home and give any future kids the time and attention they both need and deserve, there is no problem. Well, just as long as you understand exactly what being the bread winner entails.

    Anonymous

    January 2, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    • WOW. Between you and John Ross, it’s really a toss-up who is more DISGUSTINGLY ignorant.

      “kids need a parent at home. It’s sad this is something that has become forgotten.”
      ***************
      No one has “forgotten” this. There are plenty of parents who SHARE responsibility so that the kids are nowhere near being neglected.

      “It’s what having kids is all about. It’s what being a good mother is all about. Once you have them it is their needs and wants that matter, not yours.

      I’m so tired of the younger generations selfishness. Constantly whinging and whining that they want more. Me, me, me, me, me. Constantly bleating that their inexperienced asses know best.”"
      ***************
      Really? Neglecting one’s own happiness for her kids’ sake is what being a good mother is all about? I highly doubt you would say the same thing about being a good father. You so condescendingly talk down to the “younger generation” as if your views are so superior, when in truth, the so-called “selfishness” of the younger generation is due to new knowledge that we have that wasn’t available in your time – new research that further highlights that in order to be a good parent, a person NEEDS to do what makes him/her happy.

      “You won’t be an adult until you can sacrifice, care, love and put the needs of your kids above your own.”
      ****************
      So THAT’s what makes an adult. So I guess if I never have bay-bees, I’ll never be a true adult, right?

      You are an unbelievable hypocrite. I’m sure if it was a man saying he wanted a career and children, you wouldn’t even THINK of calling him selfish. Yet because I’m a woman, you have the nerve to judge my character and what kind of a mother I’d be.

      “Why have kids if you’re not prepare to give them the very best of yourself? Why pursue a career for yourself and deny your kids your time, love and teachings?”
      ****************
      I happen to think leading by example, being a strong, confident, intelligent, successful woman, rather than a pathetic doormat who sacrificed all my own dreams supposedly for their sake, IS giving those kids the best of myself. If I have a daughter, I think the worst thing in the world would be to give up everything I have worked so hard for my entire life to be a stay at home mom. That would teach a young girl that a woman’s place is to give up on her own happiness, become a slave to a man, and be a robot who cooks and cleans and forgets entirely what her own dreams are. And it would teach a son that it is OK to treat his future wife like a slave and see her as a glorified baby machine and babysitter for his kids rather than a person. Those kids would end up unhappy and screwed up!

      Reading your post, I think it is a fair guess that you are uneducated. Meaning you have no understanding of what it would be like to put in hard work, make major accomplishments, and then have some ignorant person tell you that it is “selfish” for you to not be willing to throw it all away the moment a baby comes out. Why pursue a career for myself? Let’s see…I worked incredibly hard through high school and college, graduated at the top of my class, and am now in medical school intending to become a surgeon. This is a dream I have had my entire life. And you have the incredible NERVE to tell me if I have kids, I would be SELFISH not to THROW AWAY my hard work, hundreds of thousands of dollars of education, and lifelong dream to stay at home to do chores and be a full time mommy. I think any intelligent person would laugh at the very idea. Not wanting to throw away a MEDICAL EDUCATION to stay at home full time with children – that’s not selfishness, that’s just, um…not being STUPID. I think it would be selfish of me to forsake my hard work, talent, and skills that I could be using to SAVE LIVES to stay home and be nothing more than a mommy.

      “Wouldn’t those kids be better off with you at home? Welcoming them home from school, cooking them healthy dinners, teaching them how to read and write, teaching them about life. preparing them to be adults and to be able to cope with life when they leave home? ”
      ***************
      No, they would not be better off, because I would be depressed and possibly even suicidal if THAT was what my life was all about. I will love them so I’ll be happy to do it when I’m home FROM MY CAREER, but having NOTHING else, no identity of my own outside of mommy, having thrown away and WASTED my hard-earned education for them? I would not be a good mother to them in that state of mind. And again, why can’t it be either the mother or the father who is there for them at home? Why does it have to be one or the other, so that both parents can have a sense of purpose in the world other than simply having procreated?? If cooking healthy dinners was the most important thing you ever did, I feel sorry for you.

      “Do you really think you can do that properly whilst pursuing your career? Well you can’t!”
      ***************
      Who the hell are you to decide this for me? Just because you wouldn’t be capable of doing this doesn’t mean you have any right to assume other women are just as incompetent as you. I have seen plenty of couples, both parents having careers, be GREAT parents to their kids.

      “So which do women wish to sacrifice, a career or their kids wellbeing? Every moment you spend on a career you are stealing from your kids.”
      ***************
      Again, is a man sacrificing his kids’ wellbeing by having a career? Is he STEALING from them by making a living? It is unbelievable how older generations think younger people are “corrupted” and have “lost all sense of what is important” when they have the ignorance to judge people they don’t even know and still, in THIS day and age, think they have the right to tell women how to live their lives.

      Women have the right to decide how to live their own lives, and I am fairly certain that any sane, intelligent woman has a much better idea of the best way to raise HER OWN children than YOU would. And some women may (gasp!) decide NEVER to have children at all! That’s actually ALLOWED now! Who’d have thought that was possible??

      “Of course, if you are prepared to be the bread winner and allow your husband to stay at home and give any future kids the time and attention they both need and deserve, there is no problem.”
      ***************
      Of course that’s fine if that’s what he wants. If he wants a career, then we’ll both have careers, and we’ll share the child-rearing responsibilities like many, many couples have successfully done – maybe you think that is impossible, but I know several great sets of parents who have done it and probably done a better job with their kids than you did with yours. I know I don’t know you, but I think it is a fair bet that I am much, MUCH more intelligent than you. Meaning I understand fully that children should not be neglected and that they need strong relationships with their parents. BOTH parents – there should not be one primary parent who stays home and one breadwinner who never sees the kids. Of course one parent can stay home if that is what he or she wants, but ONLY if that is what the person wants! No parent should have to forsake lifelong dreams because that will only damage the person (and the children) in the long run.

      You may not be aware of this, but it is now 2012, not 1949. Women are allowed to vote, have lives outside the home, even HAVING SUCCESSFUL CAREERS (gasp!), and decide how they want to live their own lives. Your views are irrelevant and outdated in today’s world, deal with it.

      I’m not the kind of person who disrespects her elders. I do think that most older people have a lot of wisdom to offer, and I respect their experience. But I draw the line at people who have the nerve to judge me and tell me the best way to live my life. Stupid people are stupid people and need to be treated as such, no matter how old they are.

      You have NO RIGHT to judge me or what kind of a mother I would be, or to tell me how I should live my life. I honestly feel sorry for your kids, having such a judgmental, unintelligent, narrow-minded woman as a mother.

      Anna

      January 2, 2012 at 11:33 pm

      • “You have NO RIGHT to judge me or what kind of a mother I would be, or to tell me how I should live my life. I honestly feel sorry for your kids, having such a judgmental, unintelligent, narrow-minded woman as a mother.”

        I’m a 74 year old anthropologist.

        No need to feel sorry for my children or their children, They are happy and succesful. They came from solid homes and parents that put their needs above their own.

        If you think your inexperience of life, people, society and culture is somehow greater than mine then you are deluded as well as selfish. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion but I very much doubt your opinion will be the same once you are my age. By that time, young lady, it will be too late to correct your mistakes.

        If you believe being a good mother would make you depressed and suicidal then I strongly recommend you resist becoming a parent until you can act and think like an adult.

        My interest in this site is not for the sake of men, it is for society as a whole. The breakdown of the family unit and the loss of traditional family values is destroying our society from within. Anyone with half an ounce of foresight can see that. You, Madam, are a part of that breakdown. You believe you are evolving when you are in fact devolving. It is not your fault, you have been conditioned from an early age and know no different. Although there comes a time (adulthood is usually best) when one must be able to look deeper and realise that the world does not revolve around oneself.

        I genuinely feel sorry for the younger generatrion. You have no idea of the effects of your current actions.

        By the way, tact I do not do, it is a pointless exercise that caters for the insecure and weak minded.Despite how often the word is used, I am not sure many are capable anymore.

        Anonymous

        January 3, 2012 at 12:07 pm

        • Disregard the past sentence it was not intended for the above post. My fault for writing this reply at the same time as a work project.

          Anonymous

          January 3, 2012 at 12:12 pm

        • No, I do not think being a good mother would make me depressed and suicidal. Your definition of being a good mother, which is giving up everything that makes me me, throwing away my lifelong dream of being a surgeon, to be a Stepford wife and glorified babysitter, would. My definition of being a good mother is leading by example, doing all the things you mentioned but also having my own life too. I think if I were to stay home and not have a career when I spent the first 3 decades of my life going to school and dreaming of a career, it would be setting a very poor example.

          You did not answer the question I asked multiple times – is it selfish for a MAN to want both a career and a family?

          Women are every bit as smart and capable as men. There is no reason that the wife should be the default parent to have no career. In fact, there are many families where both parents have careers and the children are anything but neglected. I don’t understand why you can’t accept this.

          You have your views, but you come from a different era. You come from an era where women only got higher educations to teach them how to be good wives.

          I am in MEDICAL SCHOOL. Do you have any clue how hard I’ve worked and will have to work to finish my education? And you think that not wanting to throw it all away the moment a baby comes into the picture would make one a bad mother. That is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard, and I think following your way would make one a bad mother – teaching your daughters that women need to give up their dreams to have kids so that someday they’ll make themselves miserable as well.

          There is nothing wrong with the traditional family unit if that is what everyone WANTS. But the problem with a lot of things traditional is that they are steeped in ignorance. Women were treated as second-class citizens, people with dark skin were seen as inferior – do you think these things are right??? The belief that a woman needs to forgo a career is based on the concept that women are less intelligent and capable than men, have less to contribute outside of the home, and thus their most appropriate role is mommy.

          You are clearly not an open minded person. Which is fine, but it is not your place to tell other people how to live their lives. Many couples where both have careers are great parents, where many households with a mother at home end up damaging the kids horribly (I come from one such household). You need to try and understand that, while you have a right to your views, you don’t have the right to force them on others. A couple is typically capable of making the decision that is best for their family and will make the best decision whether or not YOU agree.

          I wholeheartedly agree that once kids come into the picture, they should be more important to BOTH PARENTS (not just the mother) than any career is. That is why the parents will work out what is best for the kids and, if both have careers, who will be home at different times for the kids. It’s not good either for the kids to only have a relationship with the mother because the father is always working late. If both have careers, there can be a balance. But a woman not wanting to give up her career when she has kids in no way means she is putting herself first (unless it gets to the point where she sees them very little and they miss out on a relationship with her). You wouldn’t say the same thing about a man, so it’s incredibly unfair to make a generalization like this about career women.

          Anna

          January 3, 2012 at 1:33 pm

          • The problem, or part of the problem, is that people can see very little beyond themselves. It is good that some study the whole, it is sad none listen.

            You remind me of Miranda.

            How beauteous womankind is, oh brave new world…..

            Wait, watch and see for yourself the consequences of the last few decades.

            Lol, “history is bunk”

            If I have the time I will write more another day. ’til then, take care, young “Miranda”

            Anonymous

            January 3, 2012 at 2:05 pm

          • regarding career and raising children at the same time: One of both inevitably has to suffer. If you want to raise good future members of society, popping them out and immediately dumping them on nannies isn’t that good of an idea. Toddlers need their mother the first few years.
            The role of the male has always been that of the provider, that’s why they’re built stronger and
            more durable and can’t have offspring. Even RadFems can’t change that fact.

            Anonymous

            January 4, 2012 at 5:48 am

            • Modern technology has made it so that toddlers do not *need* their mothers around 24/7. Breast pumps come to mind. As long as someone (father, grandparent, nanny) is watching the kid, the mother does not need to give up her life.

              I have wanted to be a doctor my whole life. At this point I don’t know if I ever even WANT children at all – a big part of my original post was that women having children in their early 20s is not usually a good idea because even women who may want them someday, typically do not want them that early. And I may never want them at all – even if I want them, most likely I would prefer to adopt. There is no way I would consider giving up my lifelong dream and all my hard work if I have kids just because people who grew up half a century before I did say I should. Especially when I see people who grew up with two very career-driven parents end up well-adjusted, smart, and happy – that contradicts everything you said.

              You still have not addressed this although I’ve pointed it out many times – many career mothers are the best mothers because they don’t instill values in their kids that a woman’s place is to sacrifice all her dreams and have her life revolve around her children. Meaning their daughters don’t continue the cycle and live miserable lives themselves.

              (And I know people in their 60s and 70s who would agree with me that being a woman should not mean giving up my lifelong dreams to be a mother – it has nothing to do with selfishness, it has to do with women’s equality and the idea that women should have all the rights and choices that men do)

              You are older and obviously set in your ways, so it’s obvious you are not going to change your way of thinking no matter what I say. So as long as you refrain from telling me the best way to live MY life, I think the best thing would be for us to just agree to disagree.

              Anna

              January 4, 2012 at 7:06 pm

              • a baby isn’t some machine that can be raised by other machines (technically it is just another biological machine, so i kind of see your point). it’s more about the continuous physical touch that gives
                security and makes them well-adjusted later (i’m no psychologist, so take that with a mountain of salt).

                no one is stopping you from becoming a doctor. but you’re wasting your best
                reproductive years to go on the “you can be anything you want” mission.
                As a doctor, isn’t the next (coming) generation the most important one and
                shouldn’t you give it the best start in life?

                you are assuming that all career mothers are miserable. says who? also, who’s stopping them
                from realizing their dreams? children do grow up…

                Ultimately, I don’t care what you do. It’s a free society, has been even before the feminazis
                decided it wasn’t, and you are free to become everything you want. But recognize there are
                limits (something the feminazis staunchly refuse to admit) due to biology. And I still believe
                gender roles (at least some of them) have continued to exist since humans evolved because
                they made sense from a survival of the species POV. You are NOT oppressed just because
                you have the ability to produce offspring. Get over yourself.

                Anonymous

                January 4, 2012 at 9:49 pm

                • “wasting your best reproductive years”
                  *******************
                  WOW. You are entirely out of line, and your statements are absolutely unacceptable. Did you not even read what I wrote? I DON’T WANT KIDS NOW. I haven’t met the right guy, and even when I do I’m not sure I will want kids. Would you honestly advocate that I have kids now that are UNWANTED and then resent them? And you think you know what makes a good mother.

                  You are 74. I am NOT saying this to be disrespectful, but your views originate from a different era and have no relevance here. You come from a time when women were already mothers by 21, considered old maids if they weren’t married well before 25, and they had nothing else going on except motherhood. Now, it is perfectly normal for women to not even think about marriage or children until their 30s. You may not understand that, but not having grown up in this time, you are in no position to judge or demean this.

                  I never wanted kids in my twenties. You have no right to say I’m “wasting” anything by not having kids at a time in my life when I don’t want them anyway. The MAJORITY of people I know my age don’t have kids yet, though many are married.

                  The plan was ALWAYS to have kids (IF I ended up wanting them) not before 30 but before age 35. My mother had her first child at 29 and had no problem having another one at 37. As I said, I may not even want to have them myself, as adoption really seems more appealing to me anyway – if I only want to adopt anyway, there is much less of an age limit.

                  As I have said numerous times, I do feel that the best start for kids is to have parents is to have a career while raising them.

                  I never said all “career mothers” are miserable (I’m assuming you meant stay at home moms). I’m sure there are many who are very happy, and good for them. The whole point of feminism is that women (and men) have a CHOICE. Couples are perfectly capable of deciding what’s best for their kids without your help.

                  You admit you’re no psychologist. So stop acting like you are in a position to tell people that they’re wasting their lives, and that you know what’s best for them better than they do.

                  I think you’re the one who needs to get over yourself.

                  Anna

                  January 4, 2012 at 10:06 pm

                  • Anna, you are assuming you are talking to the same man a the time, you are not. The last couple of “anonymous” posts were not from I.

                    What I have been saying is not directed to you as an individual. As I said earlier, my concern is for society as a whole. I am just as concerned with selfish fathers as I am mothers. Certain life skills, wisdom and basics of ife have been forgotten, and society is going to suffer for it. Even much of our current economic woes has been caused by the loss of those life basics.

                    It is a misconception that mothers and fathers can be replaced with other people. In some instances it may work but on the whole in doesn’t, not in the long term. A society that is not based on rock solid family unit will not last.

                    There is an old African proverb. “Don’t tear own the fence until you know what is behind it”.

                    Sadly, those fences have been torn down and people have been so enraptured with their new perceived freedom that they have forgotten why those fences were put up in the first place.

                    Even though your post was mistakenly directed at me. Yes i am 74, and I belong to every era since I was born. I have lived through your era just as much as you. I travelled the world in my work, seen war, famine, tyranny and have 58 years experience in my field. My experience does come from a book, it comes from life. My education did not stop when what you consider “my” era was over. If you believe what I think now is the same as what I thought as a young man, you are again, mistaken.

                    I asked this before. Why do the young think they know best? It is the height of arrogance and the prelude to a fall.

                    These are the times of the “self”. The “I” is greater than the “we”. Have now, pay later. Who will be paying later? The children.

                    The mundane mind is so easily manipulated. To them, illusion seems as reality. When reality is realised they blame the dream weaver rather than there own inability to think critically and join a few dots.

                    History forever repeats. All is old and all is new. Yet so few study and learn.

                    Anthro74

                    January 5, 2012 at 2:18 am

                    • To Anonymous Jan 3, 2012 at 12:07pm AKA Anthro74

                      If you think your inexperience of life, people, society and culture is somehow greater than mine then you are deluded as well as selfish. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion but I very much doubt your opinion will be the same once you are my age. By that time, young lady, it will be too late to correct your mistakes.

                      ********************

                      I am 35 and I can see the effects of society’s changing morals and it is alarming to me.

                      ***********************

                      My interest in this site is not for the sake of men, it is for society as a whole. The breakdown of the family unit and the loss of traditional family values is destroying our society from within.
                      I genuinely feel sorry for the younger generatrion. You have no idea of the effects of your current actions.

                      **************************

                      We have men who do not want to provide for their familes (always on the lookout for golddiggers) and women who do not want to take care of their children (start a career no matter what the personal cost). By the time we figure out that this is all wrong, the effects will already be in place.

                      **************************

                      I asked this before. Why do the young think they know best? It is the height of arrogance and the prelude to a fall.

                      ****************************

                      I agree. I fear for our country as marriage and the family unit breaks down. We are getting weaker, not stronger. “Men” and “women” are not to blame, but I think “selfishness” is to blame in both genders. I agree that the “we” aspect of marriage has been lost. Marriage has now, for some self-centered people, become a means to an end, and as a result the innocent party feel used, as they should.

                      Janelle Anderson

                      January 6, 2012 at 7:03 pm

                    • To Anthro and Janelle,

                      It is refreshing to read the comments your are posting.

                      Yes, society is falling apart, and yes, there are just as many selfish fathers and husbands as there are mothers and wives.

                      Modern feminism, consumerism, pornography, internet, TV, hollywood movies, video games etc are all part of the problem. We are reaching a stage were men no longer know how to be men and women no longer know how to be women. Instead we have a couple of generations of spoilt kids that are losing touch with the realities of life.

                      I don’t think there’s ever been a time were the sexes had so little understanding and tolerance for each other.

                      We get taught that it is all about us. We get told we can do or be whatever we want. We are told to reinforce our self esteem and to take no shit. We’re breeding a generation of narcissistic brats that put their “needs” above all else.

                      We tore down the boundaries, exposed the worst of human nature and made it the norm. In doing so we are making ourselves slaves to our desires. Our desires have become “needs” and we have become needy. We are not becoming free, independant and empowered. We are losing our freedoms, we are becoming dependant and we are becoming weak. Weak as people and weak as a society.

                      We tear our familes apart with our “needs”, with our desires.

                      Anthro, your references to The Tempest and Brave New World did not go unnoticed. You “Savage” ;-)

                      Bob

                      January 7, 2012 at 11:13 am

                • “also, who’s stopping them
                  from realizing their dreams? children do grow up…”

                  As I said in my first post, once the children are grown up, if the moms haven’t been working on their careers the whole time, their career options are very limited. If they want to start businesses or become writers, they probably can. But if they want to go to medical school, that’s really not feasible, as most med schools won’t even consider someone in their 40s. If they want to work for a company, most employers will laugh at her thinking she even has a chance against more energetic 25 year olds. Do you honestly think they’ll have ANY value for her experience as a homemaker? I’m not saying this to be mean – if a woman chooses to do what John Ross (and apparently you) think she should, more power to her. But she should realize this is depriving her of being able to choose ANY career she could want.

                  A dream isn’t really a dream if it’s just a choice between limited options.

                  And honestly? A woman’s 20s may be her prime childbearing years, but they are also her prime career-building years. If she wants to start having children at 35 she probably can, but her career options if she starts at 35 are much more limited. Right now, if I had to choose, I would choose career hands down. I can easily see myself happy without children, but I couldn’t possibly see myself happy without a career. But at 27, it is not too late for me to have both if I decide that’s what I want and won’t be for a good few more years.

                  BTW, unlike you, I DO have a degree in Psychology with a minor in Childhood Studies, so I do know what I’m talking about. My favorite professor was a married woman in her late thirties with a 5 year old whom I babysat for, who was one of the happiest kids I’d ever seen despite the fact that his mother was stealing time from him to have her own career. I’m more qualified (on paper at least) to make the statements I’m making than you are to tell other people how to live their lives.

                  Honestly, I don’t think this argument is constructive at all. You have your views and I have mine, and neither of us are going to bend. As I said before, before you made further unwelcome and unacceptable comments about my life (which you know NOTHING about), I think we should just agree to disagree here. Can we just do that, or are you going to come back with more?

                  Anna

                  January 4, 2012 at 10:28 pm

                  • Did I hit a nerve here? It’s a biological fact, and no amount of outrage on your part will change that. Do you really believe that men chase young women solely
                    because of their young looks? Youth implies health, and a far greater chance of
                    healthy offspring.

                    Something off-topic:
                    I’ve noticed that a LOT of women study psychology. What is it that makes it
                    so appealing (from your POV) instead of one of the MINT topics?
                    Don’t take it as criticism, I’m genuinely interested.

                    Anonymous

                    January 5, 2012 at 2:05 am

                    • To Anonymous January 5, 2012 at 2:05am

                      I’ve noticed that a LOT of women study psychology. What is it that makes it
                      so appealing (from your POV) instead of one of the MINT topics?

                      ****************************

                      I switched from Engineering to Psychology because my dad told me that it didn’t matter what kind of college degree I had as long as I had a degree. Engineering was hard. Psychology was easy. It took me about a year after I graduated from college to realize that my dad’s advice might have been true when HE was attending college in the 1960′s, but it was certainly not true when I graduated in the 1990′s. I have a worthless degree.

                      What’s a MINT topic?

                      Janelle Anderson

                      January 6, 2012 at 7:10 pm

                    • @Janelle: MINT is the german acronym for the subjectes mathematics, engineering, phyics/chemistry/biology/and similar sciences, technology.
                      Basically what in english speaking regions is attributed to be the playing ground for “geeks”.

                      Anonymous

                      January 24, 2012 at 3:35 am

                    • It’s funny that you tell me I’m wasting my life by not popping out babies, yet you make a point to say “don’t take it as criticism” when you ask an innocuous question.

                      I liked psychology because I found it so interesting. I think it’s interesting to learn about what makes people act the way they do. I also have a degree in biology, which is definitely more marketable, but I only did the biology degree to make myself more desirable to employers and med schools, not because I really liked it.

                      Anna

                      January 25, 2012 at 9:14 pm

                  • “My favorite professor was a married woman in her late thirties with a 5 year old whom I babysat for, who was one of the happiest kids I’d ever seen despite the fact that his mother was stealing time from him to have her own career”

                    Anna, I don’t think being “happy” at the age of 5 is the good instrument to measure success of this type of parenting. Lets wait until the lad is 30 and see how well balanced, capable, competent and happy he is before we measure her success.

                    After all, the role of parents is to raise their children with the life skills needed to cope and hopefully flourish in the word as adults. With the sheer amount of divorce, depression and therapy in the world, I would say we (as a whole) are failing miserably as parents. Wouldn’t you?

                    Those three imposters were rare when I was young, even though times were much harder. The reason being we were raised to be adults by adults.

                    Anthro74

                    January 5, 2012 at 3:05 am

                • “but you’re wasting your best
                  reproductive years to go on the “you can be anything you want” mission.”

                  It is not your place to tell a stranger she is wasting her life by not having babies. I also may never want babies, and that is my right. HAVING babies in her 20s when she does not WANT them would be the true waste of her life. You speak of selfishness – did you ever consider that the breeders are the selfish ones? This world is overpopulated, and the earth’s resources are going to hell because of it. The last thing the world needs is a larger population, but people keep having kids and acting like they’re making such important contributions to the world when in reality, unless your kid is the next Einstein or ends up curing cancer or AIDS, s/he is no more than just one more UNNECESSARY person who is contributing to the overpopulation problem and depletion of our planet’s resources. As much as you don’t like to hear it, your kid is just another person who never needed to be born.

                  As for the “you can be anything you want mission,” that’s the beauty of growing up in these times. A woman CAN be anything she wants. She doesn’t have to listen to you, John Ross, or any other person who thinks they know better than she does about how she should live her own life.

                  Audrey

                  January 10, 2012 at 4:16 pm

                  • nobody said that you should live your life according to what others say.
                    The article merely pointed out that the one advantage you have over a man
                    (creating offspring) has a time limit on it, which more and more women choose
                    to let expire for the sake of “self-fulfillment”.

                    and if you really think the world is overpopulated, lead by example and remove
                    yourself immediately from the genepool. otherwise i take your statement as the
                    usual repeat of idiotic drivel served up by liberal arts courses.

                    Anonymous

                    January 12, 2012 at 1:01 pm

                • “you’re wasting your best
                  reproductive years to go on the “you can be anything you want” mission.
                  As a doctor, isn’t the next (coming) generation the most important one and
                  shouldn’t you give it the best start in life?”
                  ************
                  I clearly stated that I may never want kids, and you come back with this crap. Showing that what I want for my own life is just to be utterly disregarded in your opinion. How is not having babies at a time when I do not WANT them wasting anything? Maybe you should learn to respect that not everyone wants the “conventional” things and not force your views on people.

                  Though it may make some women happy and good for them, I would consider being a stay at home mom a waste of my life, and an absolutely shameful squandering of my talents and abilities. If a woman is just going to spend her days cooking and cleaning, why bother spending all that time and money to get an education?

                  Honestly, I have always wanted to do special and meaningful things with my life. And I’m sorry but I don’t consider having children to be anything special. It’s literally something that ANYONE can do. Any moron can become a parent, but not just anyone can be a quantum physicist or a neurosurgeon. I consider saving several lives and making the world a better place to be a MUCH bigger and better contribution to the world than popping out some kids in an OVERPOPULATED world that does not need them. People need to stop acting so self-righteous about parenthood, as if it is such a contribution to the world. It is not. As Audrey said, unless your kid makes a major contribution to the world, he or she is just one more person who never needed to be born. If you want to have kids, good for you, but don’t delude yourself into thinking you’re doing something great for the world by having them. You’re doing something good for YOURSELF. Having kids is in fact selfish, because you’re putting your own need to reproduce and pass on your own stinking genes above the greater good of the world. If you want to be altruistic and make a REAL contribution by helping a child, you’d adopt an orphan who desperately needs a family and a home, not have your own child.

                  Anna

                  January 12, 2012 at 6:28 pm

                  • All you’ve served up so far are rationalizations (it’s all about you, overpopulation, …)
                    It won’t make the core of the article any less true.

                    Anonymous

                    January 12, 2012 at 11:21 pm

                    • No, what makes the core of the article less true is that it is a load of crap coming from a man who will NEVER have to experience the things he’s talking about. Very few men would ever be all right with putting their careers on hold for two decades to raise children and entering the workforce in their 40s to compete with 25 year olds who will be FAR more energetic and thus desirable to employers. Yet women are expected to be okay with this. And the writer of this article seems to think that he’s come up with a universal solution for a “problem” he knows nothing about and will never have to experience himself.

                      It’s presented as such an easy solution in this ridiculous article – get married to an older man when you’re very young (of course love has nothing to do with it, you’re just a commodity that can pop out his babies), spend your entire twenties raising children, and start your career when you’re middle-aged. Never mind that most employers will want nothing to do with you. And never mind that most women do not WANT children at 20.

                      The theory presented fails to account for the fact that most women would rather die than live their lives in the manner presented. We don’t want to throw our entire lives away before they’ve even started. It’s presented that 20 year old boys don’t want to start families, so 20 year old girls should marry men who are pushing 40 – never mind that 20 year old girls are just as unprepared to start families as 20 year old boys.

                      It’s extremely arrogant for the writer of this article to present this “solution.” As if women are not capable of coming up with a solution themselves. As if there was an easy fix under their noses all along and they were just too stupid to see it. It couldn’t possibly be that women would rather fall in love whenever the right time is and have kids when they’re READY, right? *gasp*

                      If the woman is in her late 30s when she finds her guy and has difficulty conceiving, it sucks, but I would prefer that to what this article is suggesting.

                      BTW, are you the writer of this article? That would explain your defensiveness.

                      Anna

                      January 13, 2012 at 2:57 pm

                    • Also, a friend of mine made a very good point today. Once the woman’s kids go off to college (although the daughters apparently have no reason to be going to college as you don’t need an education to be a baby machine), she’s not going to have time for her own career. At that point, she’s going to have to start taking care of her older husband, who will pretty much be a senior citizen by then. And then when he’s gone and she’s old, who’s going to take care of her? I suppose she should be content to live out her final years in a nursing home, all because she followed the ridiculous plan this article outlines and married someone so much older that she probably didn’t even love.

                      And the statement that kids are the only reason for a successful man to get married is incredibly chauvinistic. If a man doesn’t want kids, I presume that you wouldn’t expect him to stay a virgin. No, it’s perfectly okay for him to sleep around and use women for sex without respect or any intention to commit. Thank goodness there are DECENT guys out there who are capable of loving and respecting women enough to marry them whether or not kids are part of the plan. I know several couples in their 40s and older who get married, as well as men who marry women who are barren – at least this shows that there are men out there who are capable of actual love, rather than marrying a woman because of what he can get from her. But of course you wouldn’t understand that…

                      Anna

                      January 14, 2012 at 1:46 pm

                    • For some reason, I can’t reply to your later post, so I’m replying to this one.

                      “Keep in mind that even if both of you were the same age, an accident could render one of
                      you an invalid. I suspect Anna would immediately dump him, but vilify him if the roles were reversed.”
                      ******************
                      And what are you basing THAT on? The answer is “pure speculation,” because nothing I have said implies that I would do something like that.

                      That is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read. So wanting my own career, wanting my education that I worked incredibly hard for, to actually PAY OFF rather than just amount to absolutely nothing when I give it all up to become a baby machine, means I would ditch the guy I married when he needed to be taken care of. That is absolute bullcrap. The people I love always come first to me – and if I were to get married, it WOULD ONLY BE for love, not to have some guy provide for me financially while I have his babies. Meaning we are not only obligated to, but also SHOULD WANT to, take care of one another in times of both sickness and health.

                      Also, the things you are saying are pretty disturbing. You’re acting like sexual liberation for women is part of the downfall of society, yet you’re completely okay with men sleeping around, in fact you pretty much admit that you do so yourself, and you would encourage your son to do the same. And that you would not want your son to marry a woman who sleeps around like a man. I’ve got news for you – BOTH men and women’s slutty habits are responsible for the rampant spreading of STDs and unwanted pregnancies. If anything, men more so, simply because of biology – a man can get several women pregnant over the course of nine months, while a woman can only get pregnant once in that same time frame. Also men transmit diseases much more easily than women do. If you think there is something wrong with feminism yet you’re PROFITING from it by getting to sleep around with a bunch of women who think it’s okay to be easy, that makes you a hypocrite.

                      I will stand by what I said – I’m glad there are men out there who don’t think it’s okay to sleep around and use women for sex with no intention of committing. It is equally wrong for women to use men for their money – but chauvinistic articles like this one actually ENCOURAGE it. By telling a 20 year old girl to spend her college years focusing on finding an older wealthy man, the article is encouraging young women to be golddiggers.

                      Is it a completely foreign concept for two people to just get married for love? And to treat each other as equals from the very beginning of the relationship, with respect and no agenda on either side? I think it’s sad that society has degenerated to a state where women are golddiggers and men are players and very few people seem to understand the concept of a healthy, loving relationship. I think THAT is what is responsible for the downfall of society, not women wanting careers while they have kids.

                      Anonymous

                      January 25, 2012 at 9:07 pm

                    • By the way, that last comment was mine – it just says “Anonymous” because I’m using a new computer and forgot to fill out my name and email address.

                      Anna

                      January 25, 2012 at 9:09 pm

                    • @Anna:

                      It’s speculation, true, extrapolated from your previous writings and the huge amount of anger hidden within them.

                      I get it, you’re strong, independent. You studied what you liked and what you didn’t like to get a job (I only did the latter, but learned to enjoy it) to be independent from any man. Because a fish don’t need a bicycle, right? But the article must have hit a nerve, otherwise any other strong independent women would consider the contents, realize its not what they want and MOVE ON. But you keep coming back.

                      Which kind of “love” you want? The one which gives you butterflies in the stomach whenever you think about your man, or the love born out of deep appreciation of his good and bad sides?
                      In my experience (young[er]) women today want a “soulmate” someone which gives them butterflies.
                      I think this is probably also the reason women initiate divorce; because they are not “haaaappy”. Because after years with the same guy the butterflies are gone. Then they move on to the new, exciting guy who brings back the butterflies. A year or two later the butterflies are gone, and the cycle can start over again. In my opinion, that’s a deep character flaw.

                      Read what I wrote earlier: Women are the gatekeepers of sex. If a woman says “NO”, then there won’t be sex and babies. YOU ARE AN ADULT, AND BEING AN ADULT MEANS TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR CHOICES AND ACTIONS. Like the radical feminists, you’re trying to shift the blame for all of women’s failures to keep their legs closed on to men. Thinking like that got us no-fault divorce and that super-muddy definition of “rape”. Newsflash: Women CAN do wrong, you CAN’T do anything a man can do.

                      Anonymous

                      January 26, 2012 at 12:59 am

                  • Reply to Anna’s January 14, 2012 at 1:46 pm post. (I don’t know why the Jan 14 post doesn’t have a reply option):

                    Anna: At that point, she’s going to have to start taking care of her older husband, who willI pretty much be a senior citizen by then. And then when he’s gone and she’s old, who’s going to take care of her?

                    Janelle: That’s a very good point. I’m 35 and I am genuinely attracted to older men, but I often wonder what would happen if I married one. Just as my girls would be starting high school, an older husband might cross the 65+ barrier and require extra medical care just when I would need to start working more to pay the college bills. Anna, you have identified a realistic problem with the marry-an-older-man scenario.

                    Anna: And the statement that kids are the only reason for a successful man to get married is incredibly chauvinistic.

                    Janelle: Suggesting that the only reason for a man to marry is because he wants children is to say that women have no value except as bearers of children. The devaluation of women as human beings seems to be a common theme on the dontmarry blog. Could the devaluation of women be a revenge tactic for men who feel that women value them only for their money?

                    Anna:…. at least this shows that there are men out there who are capable of actual love, rather than marrying a woman because of what he can get from her.

                    Janelle: Men who use women for sex and women who use men for money are guilty of the same crime. Both of these selfish types of people are using the other person as a resource to be consumed or as a means to an end. Men and women are both created by God and have intrinsic value. A man is valuable even if he is not rich and a woman is valuable even if she is not very pretty. Using people is evil and it creates a lot of pain for the person who gets taken advantage of.

                    Janelle Anderson

                    January 17, 2012 at 8:06 am

                    • Why are you so fixated on this older-guy thing? But at least you both showed your true
                      faces: you’d bail as soon as the guy needs you, but I presume you expect a guy to take care of you no matter what? Keep in mind that even if both of you were the same age, an accident could render one of
                      you an invalid. I suspect Anna would immediately dump him, but vilify him if the roles were reversed.

                      As a man, I can do anything I want, except bearing children. I don’t _need_ a woman for anything else.
                      Don’t get me wrong, I love having a female companion and having children, but with the current state
                      of women today that’s a risk that FAR outweighs the potential gains.

                      I agree with your last paragraph in principle. We should respect each other. But as long as men get raped by divorce courts I see nothing wrong with using women just for sex. In both cases both parties know what’s going on and no one in particular needs to be blamed for anything.

                      Anonymous

                      January 21, 2012 at 1:13 pm

                    • Anonymous…. I agree with you that marriage is too risky but this ” But as long as men get raped by divorce courts I see nothing wrong with using women just for sex” I disagree with.

                      This is the problem, it’s been the problem with feminism and it’s going to be the problem with the mens movement (or whatever it’s called). Freeing oneself of injustice, oppression or inequality doesn’t give us the right to act like arseholes.

                      What is it that we dislike in so many women nowadays? That many act like the worst of men, that they justify it by say “well, if men can do it so can we”, that they no longer act like women, that they have abandoned their role in the family and society, the entitlement, the selfishness, the double standards etc, etc.

                      We men are becoming increasingly fed up of it all but we are still men and we still allowed to be men. We are the providers and protectors of society and we can still act in a decent manner.

                      How about we look at everything we don’t like in feminism and the women who have abused it and decide not to be like that. If we go down the same path women did, start preaching the hate speak and justify treating them badly then we are no better than they are. Do we really wish to be dragged down to that level? Do we want to do as much damage to kids and society as they have?

                      The pump and dump stuff is pathetic rubbish. Weak men take, strong men give. Why choose to be weak?

                      Bob

                      January 21, 2012 at 3:51 pm

                    • To Bob:

                      It takes two willing people for the pump-and-dump. One of the nicer effects of feminism
                      was that it removed a lot of sexual inhibitions in women and instilled that it is okay to “slut it up”.
                      Whether that was intended or not I don’t care about; but I’ll take advantage of it as long
                      as I can. It’s not hatred of women that motivates me, quite the contrary: I like women and
                      as long as I can bed them without having to commit _anything_, I’ll take do that. Every man
                      who wouldn’t should have his head examined…

                      Anonymous

                      January 21, 2012 at 10:10 pm

                    • Anonymous…. you mean in the same way that women take advantage of men in marriage and divorce? Or the way that a women will get a free night out by showing false interest in a man? “Hell, all the time a man is willing to, or has to pay I will take advantage of it”

                      Our actions, of both men and women may not have instant consequences now, but what legacy are we leaving for the next generations?

                      Would you teach a son to take advantage? if you did, would that make you any different from a woman that taught her daughter how to take advantage of men?

                      This is what concerns me. I read this site and I agree with a hell of a lot of what men are saying but I am also very aware that we are sounding like the feminists from the 60′s and 70′s. If men aren’t careful hypocrisy, double standards and entitlement will become the standard in us too.

                      As much as I dislike they way many women now act, and as much as I dislike the rules of divorce, I will still be the man my father raised me to be and I wont take advantage of women.

                      Bob

                      January 21, 2012 at 11:29 pm

                    • Bob:
                      I don’t see it as taking advantage of anyone. Some women offer, I accept;
                      I offer, some women accept. Both parties know what it means. Simple as that. I do like sex and I’m not going to pass on opportunities to get some because of some moral high ground. And contrary to feminist believes I DO think women should be held responsible for their behaviour, just as men are. For crying out loud, they’re adults capable of rational though just as I am. Women have always been the gatekeepers of sex. Now they offer it at an all-time low price. I’m sure as hell not going to get married or attached any single one when there are millions of other willing ones out there. Simple economics from my POV.
                      Women wanted to be “free”, so they freed sex from marriage. A win in my (male) book, a loss for stability of society in the long run no doubt. But remember that this is NOT the fault of men or “the patriarchy”. Women wanted that freedom, they got it, and men with it no-strings sex.
                      There’s a whole generation of women out there, raised by single moms, who crave any kind of male attention, which continually supply the market.

                      I’d teach my son to take advantage of the low market prices for sex and If he ever intended to marry, to look for a suitable women elsewhere and only if he is 100% certain that she’d never betray him.
                      I’d teach my daughter to think long and hard about what she wants in life, who she offers herself to and what the consequences are.

                      Stay the man you are. But realize that this won’t change anything in the long run. If more (all?) men acted like me, some women might actually get a clue that all that sexual liberation crap actually harmed them more than it did them good (in the long run), and maybe then they’ll be the ones once again to start a change in the opposite direction. But as a sexually active male the current situation is close to ideal, so don’t expect me to initiate change. Feminists started it, they need to end it.

                      Anonymous

                      January 22, 2012 at 12:58 am

                    • Anonymous… I see your point, I just find it sad that society is coming to this. Maybe I’m part of the last generation that will remember what it used to be like.

                      There’s going to be a lot of loneliness and depression in the future.

                      I’d like to ask, if your son does take advantage of “low market prices for sex” is he also craving any kind of female attention? Would you consider a woman that did the same to be suitable marriage material for him? Does she crave too much male attention? The wrong kind of male attention?

                      Something Ive just noticed in Janelles post…. “Could the devaluation of women be a revenge tactic for men who feel that women value them only for their money?”

                      Nope, the devaluation of women has been their own doing. Men are currently starting on the same slippery slope of devaluing themselves too.

                      Bob

                      January 22, 2012 at 8:16 am

                    • Anonymous: Why are you so fixated on this older-guy thing?

                      Janelle: I don’t think Anna and I are fixated on the older-guy thing. When John Ross originally posted Feminism’s Terrible Blunder on 08/30/2005, he encouraged younger women to marry older men because older men were ready for a family and younger men weren’t. In her post, Anna pointed out one of the disadvantages of John Ross’ Marry-An-Older-Man suggestion.

                      Janelle Anderson

                      January 22, 2012 at 9:48 am

                    • Anonymous: But as long as men get raped by divorce courts I see nothing wrong with using women just for sex. In both cases both parties know what’s going on and no one in particular needs to be blamed for anything.

                      Janelle: The problem with using a woman for sex is that you assume the woman knows she is being used and consents to it. But just as there are some women who would pretend to like a man just so they can get a free dinner and movie, there are some men, not all, but a fair amount, who would pretend to love a woman so she will sleep with him.

                      I have had relationships where I slept with a man because he told me he loved me but then dumped me once he had what he wanted. Getting used is very humiliating. Have you ever heard the expression “Women give sex to get love and Men give love to get sex?”

                      If I could roll the clock back to my teenage years, I would follow God’s command to delay sexual intimacy until marriage. I used to think the idea of delaying sex until marriage was a crazy, old-fashioned idea but now I can see that God’s rules were for my protection. Feminism might have given women access to pre-marital sex, but it sure hasn’t helped me one bit. Even thought feminism might have helped to lead me away from God, it is never too late to start obeying God and protecting my dignity. Getting used for sex is incredibly UN-dignifying and DE-humanizing.

                      If men are going to have a marriage strike, should women respond with a sex strike?

                      Janelle Anderson

                      January 22, 2012 at 10:12 am

                    • @Janelle:
                      From both of your and Annas replies I got the impression you thought it was suggested that you marry for 20-ish yourselves to some 50year-old guy. An age gap that large is only ever NOT an issue when the guy is insanely rich and near death.

                      In my world there are 2 kinds of men: the players and the nice guys that truly care. I’ve experienced first hand that being a nice and caring guy gets you absolutely nowhere with women (you can protest as much as you want, you too prefer(red) the exciting to the stable guy).

                      Ad Religion/God: While I personally don’t like religion (it’s a great tool to manipulate people into doing things that go against their own morality and wisdom and makes them mindless automatons), some religious texts are a great source of ancient societal wisdom (packing general rules into religious texts
                      makes them more “binding” than traditional law. Those texts were written by some very clever people with a great insight into human behavior!).

                      Ad Sex strike: according to this site, that strike starts when the wedding ring hits the finger :)

                      @Bob:
                      The loneliness is already here. More single people and households than ever.

                      What I’d tell a son is of course biased by my own experiences, and yes, I’d tell him NOT to marry
                      someone who gives it away so easily. I mean, he won’t be her first and I completely doubt that someone
                      like that could keep her legs closed for other men once a ring is on the finger.
                      Quality women (by that I mean those with solid character you can rely on no matter what and that don’t use sex as a means to an end) are very hard to find nowadays.

                      As to the reverse attention craving argument, I admit that that can’t be ruled out. I certainly do enjoy
                      the attention I get from women, and the thrill of getting one to have sex with you is quite exhilarating.

                      Anonymous

                      January 22, 2012 at 12:15 pm

                    • @anonymous

                      “In my world there are 2 kinds of men: the players and the nice guys that truly care. I’ve experienced first hand that being a nice and caring guy gets you absolutely nowhere with women (you can protest as much as you want, you too prefer(red) the exciting to the stable guy).”

                      I thought I DID choose the stable man.

                      I got engaged to Mr. Nice-and-Caring after we met in a church Bible study. Mr. Nice-and-Caring told me that his divorce “was only a matter of paperwork” and that his vindictive soon-to-be-ex-wife kicked him out of the house and filed for divorce since a testosterone replacement drug rendered him infertile and she desperately wanted more children so she was getting rid of him. Everyone in my bible study felt so sorry for this man. He seemed like such a good guy who had been treated so poorly. Mr. Nice and Caring sounded so believable.

                      Mr. Nice-and-Caring had a steady job and told me that he longed for a stay-at-home-wife and children. He had short hair, no tatoos or piercings, and claimed he had a college education.

                      I had no reason to doubt Mr. Nice-and-Caring’s sincerity….except that after I got pregnant during our engagement, he sent me $100 a month for food for the first three months of my pregnancy and then stopped altogether. I haven’t heard from Mr. Nice-and-Caring in almost two years. No food money during the latter months of my pregnancy. No child support.

                      If I sue Mr. Nice-and-Caring for child support, my lawyer warned me that Mr. Nice-and-Caring will just turn right back around and sue me for visitation in order to minimize his child support contribution. Lawsuits are terribly stressful, even if you are a plaintiff, and I have no desire to initiate one. I would rather put that energy towards furthering my education so I can provide for my children.

                      My interest in the dontmarry blog revolves around answering this key question: “How can I avoid getting burned again?”

                      Was I stupid?
                      No, not technically. I have a college degree.

                      Was I foolish? YES.
                      Intelligence and wisdom are VERY different.

                      Was I slutty?
                      Two guys is seven years may not be up to God’s standard of waiting until marriage for sexual intimacy, but it certainly doesn’t catapult me into the slut club.

                      Did I ignore red flags?
                      YES.

                      Did I give Mr. Nice-and-Caring the benefit of the doubt when I should have been more skeptical?
                      YES.

                      Was I streetsmart?
                      NO.

                      Was I too trusting?
                      YES.

                      Was I a bit unlucky?
                      Definitely.

                      Janelle Anderson

                      January 22, 2012 at 1:09 pm

                    • “My interest in the dontmarry blog revolves around answering this key question: “How can I avoid getting burned again?”

                      It’s a game of patience Janelle, people usually expose their true self after a certain amount of time. Stick to your morals and values, be entirely comfortable with being alone, take time to get to know someone and don’t settle.

                      Before too long the question changes from “how can I avoid” to “are there any decent ones left”.

                      Bob

                      January 22, 2012 at 3:53 pm

                    • @ Bob

                      “It’s a game of patience Janelle, people usually expose their true self after a certain amount of time. Stick to your morals and values, be entirely comfortable with being alone, take time to get to know someone and don’t settle.”

                      Janelle:

                      I recently read a book called The Sociopath Next Door and patience was EXACTLY what the author advised just as you said. She said knowing someone for quite a long time was the only surefire way to expose someone’s true nature.

                      Sociopaths are applicable to this discussion because I think it requires a conscienceless person to pretend to love someone so you can take advantage of them, whether it’s a goldigger looking for money or a player looking for sex.

                      The Sociopath Next Door book did point out that apart from knowing someone for a long time, the one characteristic of a sociopath that stood out to the author after years of counseling sociopaths was that sociopaths try to make you feel PITY for them. Pity, apparently, is the hallmark of sociopaths. Sociopaths play on the good nature of most people.

                      The injustice in divorce laws wouldn’t make one bit of difference if people refused to take advantage of each other. Just because someone CAN do something legally permissable but morally wrong doesn’t mean that they HAVE to. One spouse doesn’t have to hurt the other simply because the laws allow them to. The vindictive spouse still has to CHOOSE to be mean. The laws in some states just help a bit. The difference with sociopaths is…..they just don’t care. People without a conscience hurt people for fun and it does terrible damage to everyone around them.

                      The Sociopath Next Door

                      Emotional Vampires: Dealing With People Who Drain You Dry

                      Janelle Anderson

                      January 22, 2012 at 4:58 pm

                    • @Janelle:
                      I’m sorry you got burned.
                      I just hope you didn’t get engaged too soon because you were lonely and pitied the guy. That’s no foundation for a relationship at all.
                      However I don’t think that visiting a forum where men vent about their
                      frustrations is really a place to find advice for women.

                      In lieu of what Bob said:
                      “Live with a man 40 years. Share his house, his meals. Speak on every subject. Then tie him up, and hold him over the volcano’s edge. And on that day, you will finally meet the man.”. It’s from a TV show of all things,
                      but I really like its meaning.

                      Anonymous

                      January 23, 2012 at 12:20 am

                    • @ Anonymous
                      “I just hope you didn’t get engaged too soon because you were lonely and pitied the guy. That’s no foundation for a relationship at all.”

                      Anonymous, you are right, and that is probably partially what I did wrong.

                      “However I don’t think that visiting a forum where men vent about their frustrations is really a place to find advice for women.”

                      A blog where men vent their frustrations about women is EXACTLY the place to find advice for women. Due to the anonymity provided by the dontmarry blog, the men in here are actually HONEST about what they really think. I could go to an angry women’s blog but I would not learn what men are really thinking.

                      I’ve been burned because I CLEARLY do not understand, nor am I able to recognize and appreciate quality marriageable men in the modern world. When dating, men put their best foot forward, just as women do. In person, many men promise love and family when all they really want is to get laid.

                      In stark contrast, with the anonymity of the dontmarry blog, posters will just come right out and admit that they like the feminist movement because women have cheapened themselves and now give sex away. There is TRUTH in the dontmarry blog that would not be found in face-to-face conversation because it is neither polite nor politically correct to say some of these things found on this blog. American society will continue to fall apart unless something changes. Today’s women need to value themselves more and treat men with respect. Both need to happen at the same time.

                      As a single mother, I have the unenviable task of training my young girls to face a harsh world without the protection of a loving and caring father. My own parents have been married for almost forty years and I really did not know that fathers were capable of abandoning and failing to provide for their offspring. My mother has always been dedicated to my dad and the welfare of me and my sister so I was also not aware of how far today’s women had fallen either.

                      My foolish choices with men have temporarily wrecked my life. I’m here because I need to develop some street smarts and wisdom…and I want to get smart QUICK. I need to know what today’s men are really like and there is no better place to figure that out than in a place where men are brutally honest because I’m not going to find that in the real world.

                      Janelle Anderson

                      January 23, 2012 at 5:57 am

                    • What I meant was that even men venting is as one-sided as a forums of only women venting. There’s usually some truth in both sides.

                      I don’t like feminism, it’s just that one of its (unintentional?) consequences is actually very beneficial for my sex drive.

                      I wish you well on you difficult time ahead.

                      Anonymous

                      January 23, 2012 at 8:02 am

                    • Janelle, there are certainly plenty of sociopathic traits in people nowadays, as well and narcissistic, antisocial and histrionic.

                      This is the century of the self. We have, in short (and in general), bred a couple of generations of spoilt brats. I think what we are dealing with is childish minds rather than personality disorders. Desire and fear are the motivators.

                      Yup, we wouldn’t need rules and laws if people could act like responsible, caring adults.

                      Ultimate freedom is acceptance of all responsibilty. People claim they want freedom yet abuse it by denying responsiilty. All that does is create laws and rules. We create the need for police, we create the need for lawyers and lawmakers. Problem is people don’t realise it and therefore we must have rules. If people can’t control themselves then someone must control them. It’s either self control or enforced control.

                      Todays society isn’t about controlling oneself, it’s about being a slave to ones desires. In doing so we become slaves to others.

                      Men cheat on their wives because they don’t get sex at home. How patheiic is that? A fully grown man who can’t control one simple desire.

                      Women cheat because they feel emotionally neglected. Again, it’s pathetic.

                      People throw the word “neglect” around yet you cannot neglect something that is capable of taking care of itself. So what do they do, they cry “neglect” and then neglect their kids upbringing.

                      We use, consume and abuse with our desires and we call them “needs”.

                      Then there is the fear. Fear of responsibilty, fear of commitment, fear of hard work, fear of unhappiness, fear of being held accountable, fear of reason, fear of oneself, fear of reality.

                      I’ve known very few men (or women) that are genuinely without conscience. It’s just in todays world it is OK to succumb to our desires, and it is OK to act from fear. In fact we are taught to fear, this site intalls fear into men about women, and the feminist movement has been installing fear into women about men for a long time.

                      The social taboo’s that kept us in check have been removed. We are now free to become slaves. People justify their actions from desire and fear. They justify the hurt they cause by saying they are entitled to act from desire and fear. Causing hurt is so much easier once justified, it become an act of self defence. You don’t need to be a sociopath to do it.

                      Self pity is both desire and fear working together, as is looking for pity.

                      Anyway, time for me to shut up and apologies for the onslaught of opinion.

                      BTW, your life isn’t temporarily ruined, it’s just life. Not a life you thought you’d be living, but life all the same. As perfect, pure and unbroken as it was the day you were born.

                      Two men look out from prison bars, one see’s mud, the other stars. Capice?

                      Bob

                      January 23, 2012 at 11:20 am

                    • @ Bob

                      Got it.

                      Janelle Anderson

                      January 24, 2012 at 6:12 am

                • I have to say, I am disgusted by some of these responses, but telling someone she is “wasting her best reproductive years” really takes the cake. Who the hell do you think you are? I can’t believe that someone would be so arrogant as to tell a complete stranger how s/he should be living his/her life.

                  This article is complete garbage as well. Most college-aged women have no desire to become involved with 30-something men. And to be honest, I don’t think any 30-something man of quality would want to be with a 20 year old woman (the only men who would are most likely perverts and superficial men who care more about fertility and appearances than actual compatibility).

                  Everyone has his or her own choices to make in life. It is unbelievably arrogant for the author of this article to present this “universal” solution as if women are just too stupid to figure it out for themselves, when in fact his solution is something that most women have no desire for. Most women who actually want kids do not intend to still be single at 35 or 40 – they just may happen to be single past peak fertility years because they never crossed paths with the right man. Which is not always something a woman has control over – so to accuse them of “wasting their best reproductive years” is really nothing but rubbing salt in the wound. You should be ashamed.

                  As for the people who say that kids MUST have a stay at home mom to turn out well, you should know that it’s better to be thought a fool than to open your mouths and remove all doubt. I have several female friends and relatives who have successful careers and great relationships with their children. If a man or woman wants to stay home with the children in lieu of having a career, great. But if not, it astounds me that people who are entirely outside of the situation would have the nerve to criticize their parenting and label women as “selfish” for wanting to maintain their careers. When children come into the picture, of course they should be the most important thing in their parents’ lives. But a woman wanting a career in addition to motherhood is not automatically a bad mother. Every individual and family is different, and it’s appalling that instead of respecting those differences, people seem to be operating on assumptions and stereotypes.

                  For the people saying these things and being so narrow-minded, I’m guessing you had stay-at-home mothers? So then can you explain why you turned out so horribly?

                  Nicole

                  August 13, 2012 at 11:20 pm

                  • “I have to say, I am disgusted by some of these responses, but telling someone she is “wasting her best reproductive years” really takes the cake. Who the hell do you think you are? I can’t believe that someone would be so arrogant as to tell a complete stranger how s/he should be living his/her life.”

                    Whao Horsey Whao nobody told you that you should “WASTE YOUR BEST REPRODUCTIVE YEARS” because obviously your not a nurturing KIND of woman, You hate children :D which is why i read your TWO COMMENTs and where you said that YOU WOULD REGRET your choices of having a husband and children but not having a DREAM CAREER (Let me guess a RECEPTIONIST :D SECRETARY, Oh i Got it JANITOR) Dont get all hype and frustrated Mr Nicole but nobody is forcing you to opt out your CHOICES and make an unhappy living with a husband and whining children, YOU CAN PURSUE your career without any hurdles, BELIEVE ME no men is crazy enough to be married to you.

                    “This article is complete garbage as well. Most college-aged women have no desire to become involved with 30-something men. And to be honest, I don’t think any 30-something man of quality would want to be with a 20 year old woman (the only men who would are most likely perverts and superficial men who care more about fertility and appearances than actual compatibility).”

                    Its your opinion MR Nicole but more college-aged women sure have desire for 30 something men, there are some women who i can cite here whom married 30 something WELLOFF men and have a happy married life, Well what YOU think or not is your opinion alone nobody is holding you on it, YOU CAN HAVE A DREAM CAREER and NEVER MARRY (So much i care :D ), I think i can speak for myself being a 44 year old I CAN BE with a charming 20 year old woman anytime :D and she would love my company (But I am Married to a 35 year old woman and have 2 kids) and not just 30 something man of quality would want 20 year old woman there are man who are above 50 year old who want to be with 20 year old woman (I get it your a 40 something old hag who doesnt have choices in the marriage department that is what i read from your comments FEAR). And no these men are not perverts and superficial THESE ARE YOUR CHARACTERS which i bet you that you painted on the men :D THEY ARE FOLLOWING what nature has made them for, Many men want fertile and appearance in a women NOT COMPATIBILITY and how many degrees and figures she make these are not the qualities a MAN looks for in a woman :D , EVER HEARD of BITCH IN HEAT proverb? i think not but overall those men who go for fertile and appearance in a woman are not pervert and these are your opinion BECAUSE YOU FEAR COMPETITION which you will lose anytime to a 20 year old woman.

                    “Everyone has his or her own choices to make in life. It is unbelievably arrogant for the author of this article to present this “universal” solution as if women are just too stupid to figure it out for themselves, when in fact his solution is something that most women have no desire for.”

                    Well this is what i say everyone has his or her own choices, I didn’t discouraged you to quit your dream job and find yourself a socalled “soulmate” or “prince charming” neither to have kids BUT YOU SURE are here trying to tell the men what they should do and shouldn’t LIKE THEIR CHOICES DONT MATTER, if a 30 something man chooses a 20 year old woman SO ACCORDING TO YOU he is a pervert and superficial man :D now isnt that cute because YOU DONT want people to poke their noses on your choices but you sure want to poke you nasty nose on other peoples choices, I GET IT FEAR AND JEALOUSY is what set you up, and WHO ARE YOU? a women leader, do you lead all the global women movement? does your opinion is what women agree on? because i see many women objecting to your desires, DON’T SPEAK FOR MAJORITY speak for yourself because people will find you stupid because obviously NOT ALL WOMEN want to live with dozen of cats and dont want to marry and have kids LIKE YOU DO and NOT ALL WOMEN want to have a career and job just to have some bucks in their purses and when their biological clock hits the mark cry and whine like you.

                    “Most women who actually want kids do not intend to still be single at 35 or 40 – they just may happen to be single past peak fertility years because they never crossed paths with the right man. Which is not always something a woman has control over – so to accuse them of “wasting their best reproductive years” is really nothing but rubbing salt in the wound. You should be ashamed.”

                    And MR Nicole has nailed the SUCKER not only does she speak for majority of women but she tells them THAT IS NOT HER FAULT yes its the fault of men and nature for not giving her extra time so she can ride the cock carousal some more and maybe produce children later in year LIKE IN 50 YEARS or something :D i never heard my GRANDMA giving birth to a child :D but MR NICOLE you can try it when you reach 50 years old WITH A DONOR’S SPERM that is because NO SANE MEN would marry or sleep with a 50 year old saggy woman and ONE MORE THING women who are reading this YES THE RIGHT MAN “The Prince Charming” you may never find this FANTASY and IMAGINARY guy but keep looking, hump all those dicks that you find but dont commit those “Nice” “Good” “Men” because there is a RIGHT MAN and A PRINCE CHARMING right around the corner waiting to sweep you off you feet and MARRY YOU according to MR NICOLE. Shame was for women but they drop it with their skirts NOW YOU ARE TELLING US MEN TO BE ASHAMED, do onething tell those SLUT WALKERS to be ashamed of themselves.

                    “As for the people who say that kids MUST have a stay at home mom to turn out well, you should know that it’s better to be thought a fool than to open your mouths and remove all doubt. I have several female friends and relatives who have successful careers and great relationships with their children.”

                    HEHEHEHE yes I believe MR NICOLE knows millions of WOMEN who have successful career and have great relationships with their children :D and NO dont force women to be a STAY AT HOME MOM you bastards they are better than man and shouldn’t be forced to live a soulless life chained to the kitchen and PREGNANT :D (The same old narrative) but what this “http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/04/dirty_little_secret_more_women_want_to_stay_home_to_raise_kids.html” So only women have choices if they want to stay at home mom or career minded women, WELL i have a advice for career minded women and MR NICOLE for you too DONT MARRY :D .

                    “If a man or woman wants to stay home with the children in lieu of having a career, great. But if not, it astounds me that people who are entirely outside of the situation would have the nerve to criticize their parenting and label women as “selfish” for wanting to maintain their careers. ”

                    I would never label a women selfish if she chooses career over husband and children and heck i give her a hint DONT MARRY which is far better that they dont have to tell that BASTARD husband of theirs how to do the house chores and there would be any dirty diapers to do and there wont be any whining little asses to clean :D you see i am not selfish, MR NICOLE please dont opt out your career but dont assume that your a women championed leader who can advocate the billions of women’s opinion here which is not your field (because your delusional and narcissistic).

                    “When children come into the picture, of course they should be the most important thing in their parents’ lives. But a woman wanting a career in addition to motherhood is not automatically a bad mother. ”

                    No actually she should kick those little asses and drag them to the DAY CARE CENTER where according to MR NICOLE they can learn how to socialize and be with their like minded people :D yah a mother is not needed in the child’s like, IT’s THE DAY CARE CENTER which is needed and she should prioritize her career first BECAUSE ITS IMPORTANT but NO MR NICOLE doesnt say that her job is important but she says that CHILDREN CAN LIVE WITHOUT THEIR MOTHER IN A DAY CARE CENTER :D , What a nurturing, Loving and Compassionate Creature we have here FOLKS, Clap for MR NICOLE.

                    “Every individual and family is different, and it’s appalling that instead of respecting those differences, people seem to be operating on assumptions and stereotypes.”

                    It seems from your THREE comments it was you who was not respecting peoples differences because not only you called MEN who were 30 something going after 20 something CREEPS, PERVERTS and SUPERFICIAL but you sure showed how YOU HATE THE STAY AT HOME TYPE OF WOMEN, for you being a career minded women is more important then being a mother and wife :D for you a HUSBAND is a SELFISH bastard who thinks about his career but not his wife’s career and you want to put the blame on the men who dont find the old UNFERTILE and saggy women attractive, YOU WANT MEN to stop objectifying women but in the same sentence you tell them not to judge women with the ability of being an ACTUAL WOMEN (Which i told you what it is), DONT TELL MEN WHAT THEY SHOULD CHOOSE AND SHOULDN’T, DONT TELL MEN THAT WHAT THEY SHOULD FIND ATTRACTIVE AND NOT, your assumptions and stereotypes are there for people to see, not only your a bitch but your also delusional and narcissistic woman, and again a SECOND HINT FOR YOU DONT FUCKING MARRY.

                    “For the people saying these things and being so narrow-minded, I’m guessing you had stay-at-home mothers? So then can you explain why you turned out so horribly?”

                    Yes thanks again for being the narrow minded here and making uncalled assumptions and also stereotyping :D i love women who condemn themselves in their own sentences. ANOTHING HINT DONT MARRY.

                    Gamerp4

                    August 14, 2012 at 1:24 am

                    • I’m not even going to respond to most of your dribble except to say if you are actually married, I feel really bad for your wife. Does she know that you see women over 40 as “saggy” and worthless? What are you going to do when she starts to show her age – leave her for some 20 year old bimbo?

                      And you could not be more wrong about me – I’m 29, successful in a career that you’d never even be able to complete the education for, happily married to a man who is leagues above you, and look better than most 20 year olds I know. Sorry to burst your bubble. :(

                      My main annoyance was that people here think they have the right to judge strangers and their parenting styles, but with you…it’s more that I cannot even understand what you’re saying without going through it twice. If English is your second language, fair enough, but if you actually grew up in an English speaking country and can’t write any better than this incoherent, inarticulate dribble, you should spend more time learning basic English skills and less time spouting crap on message boards.

                      Nicole

                      August 14, 2012 at 6:53 am

        • I think the article is ridiculous – does the author honestly think women are too stupid to make these kinds of decisions for themselves? I guess women have no business making their own decisions – thank goodness this superior man came along and told us how stupid we were all being!

          I grew up in a household with two working parents. My mother was a brilliant lawyer who didn’t take time off of her career when she had kids, and we weren’t at all worse off for it. If anything, we were better. I can’t imagine having the kind of mother whose life basically ceased to exist when she had kids – I don’t think I would have had nearly as much respect for her if her life revolved around “cooking healthy dinners.” I grew up with a strong, brilliant female role model who taught me that not having a penis didn’t mean my role had to be limited to wife and mother. We had nannies at times, but we spent plenty of time with both Mom and Dad and had (and still have) wonderful relationships with them both.

          Not to mention that in many cases, it’s not really a choice – BOTH parents HAVE to work just to make ends meet, whether they want to or not.

          A word of advice – NEVER tell a woman how to raise her children. It’s not your business, you do NOT know better than she does, and she will NOT respond well to it. This is also the case with women whose kids do not even exist yet, as you have seen here.

          Teresa

          January 30, 2012 at 11:38 pm

          • >does the author honestly think women are too stupid to make these kinds of decisions for themselves?

            No. And claiming otherwise is the “strawman fallacy.” Look it up.

            >My mother was a brilliant lawyer who didn’t take time off of her career when she had kids, and we weren’t at all worse off for it. If anything, we were better.

            If you’re accurate, you’re an exception to the general rule. It’s interesting how most women who write on this site expect us to believe they’re the exception…

            >Not to mention that in many cases, it’s not really a choice – BOTH parents HAVE to work just to make ends meet, whether they want to or not.

            Not necessarily true. The main reason that both parents work in modern America is to maintain a certain lifestyle, to afford a certain car and a certain house in a certain neighborhood (see Elizabeth Warren’s book “The Two Income Trap”). 50 years ago, when one income was enough to support a family, the average house was only about 1000 square feet and one car was the rule. And given that women control about 80% of household spending, particularly big ticket items like cars and appliances and homes, it naturally follows that women are responsible for most status spending and keeping up with the Joneses.

            >A word of advice – NEVER tell a woman how to raise her children. It’s not your business, you do NOT know better than she does, and she will NOT respond well to it.

            O noes! A woman is angry! Let’s kiss her ass and apologize! … Women are not immune from criticism.

            CC

            January 31, 2012 at 5:52 am

            • “If you’re accurate, you’re an exception to the general rule.”

              And you know this HOW??? Do you actually have PROOF that a working mother is less likely to have a happy child? Because I have never, ever seen this to be the case. There are plenty of both working and stay-at-home moms whose kids grow up messed up. One thing has nothing to do with the other.

              “O noes! A woman is angry! Let’s kiss her ass and apologize! … Women are not immune from criticism.”

              Who’s guilty of the strawman fallacy now? All I meant was that no one has the right to tell a stranger how to live his/her life. Telling any person, man or woman, how to raise their children, is unacceptable unless there is abuse involved.

              This blog is so biased it’s ridiculous – every time any woman says something, it’s interpreted in the worst possible way.

              Teresa

              February 1, 2012 at 2:25 pm

              • Well, this is a blog which is populated by men who have had nothing but bad experiences with women. If you’re wise, you’ll read it, take note of what most men consider good/bad behaviour, cast aside the obvious venting and change for the better. That is, if you’re really
                interested in becoming a woman men would like to have a partner/relationship with.

                Anonymous

                February 2, 2012 at 3:18 am

                • I’m fine being myself, thank you. I don’t need to change in order to be more attractive to a bunch of chauvinists.

                  I’d rather be single for the rest of my life than be a Stepford wife.

                  Teresa

                  February 15, 2012 at 8:54 am

                  • Good. Keep posting here, telling everyone about what an independent strong wimmenz you are. Very convincing.

                    Anatoli

                    February 15, 2012 at 12:20 pm

            • CC, I looked up The Two Income Trap on Amazon dot com and I see that the subtitle to the book is “Why Middle Class Mothers and Fathers are going broke.”

              In the summary, Elizabeth Warren points out that sending mothers into the workplace has made families more vulnerable but NOT because of overconsumption (even though this would make sense). I guess I have to buy the book to find out WHY middle class families are more vulnerable now even though they make more money with both parents working.

              In practical experience, though, overconsumption does seem to have a very negative impact on family stability. When I was doing my student teaching a few months ago I met a young twenty-something mommy at a staff meeting and I asked her if she had considered adopting a lower standard of living so that she could stay at home with her baby instead of putting the young toddler in daycare so she could work part time. Her answer shocked me. She said that no because she and her husband needed her income because they wanted to build their own SPECIAL luxury house instead of living in one of the hundreds of homes that were for sale nearby.

              Money and status are really addictive to some people. It’s alluring and enticing. I think that young mother I met during my student teaching will regret her decision though. No one lies on their death bed thinking “If only my husband could have bought me marble countertops and heated floors then my life would have been better.” People lay on their death bed thinking, “Why didn’t I spend more time with my children?”

              Janelle Anderson

              February 16, 2012 at 10:01 am

              • It’s not fair to assume that a woman will regret her choice to work. There are plenty of women who regret their choices not to work and build their own identities outside of being a wife and mother.

                And why is it the woman, by default, who has to give up her career? Why is it that you don’t say a thing about the father and how HE should be spending more time with his kids instead of working so much?

                Not to mention, daycare, if high quality, is actually better for kids in several ways. Do people honestly think that kids should be spending their formative years clinging to mommy’s leg rather than making friends of their own ages and developing social skills?

                Nicole

                August 13, 2012 at 11:26 pm

                • “It’s not fair to assume that a woman will regret her choice to work. There are plenty of women who regret their choices not to work and build their own identities outside of being a wife and mother”.

                  I am not against women who goes for career but dont whine and cry when you reach 40 and cannot bear children and want to be married desperately LIKE THE WOMAN WHO CRIED FOR A WEDDING IN YOUTUBE, dont assume that a charming prince from the sky will emerge and SWEEP YOU OFF YOUR FEET, just stay put and be loyal to your career, Being SINGLE is not a curse just dont marry a NICE guy and turn his life in a LIVING HELL.

                  And yes those women who regret their choices not to work BUT TO MARRY and after some time they curse their husbands and children for chaining them to the stove (You see the narcissism, these women are more beastly then the animals because they cannot even tolerate their own children and see them as burden because THEY COULDN’T HAVE A CHARMING CUBICLE and a charming paper pushing job :D NOES)

                  “And why is it the woman, by default, who has to give up her career? Why is it that you don’t say a thing about the father and how HE should be spending more time with his kids instead of working so much?”

                  This is how it works but your so much into feminist shit that you cant get your head out of your ass which is why you dont think when you write something or think something, YOU SEE there are some men who have quited their job to support their wives but there are some loads of article written by these very same women who later cried over their situation that they were overworked because there husband ARE LAZY BUMS :D but the hypocrisy doesnt end there they later claim that they are so unhappy with their husband sitting on the couch and doing nothing that they feel that she is making a living for him :D (What a charming response), there were some cases where the wife divorced her husband BECAUSE HE WAS NOT DOING HIS BIT to bring money in the house :D , But bitches like you complain if a husband doesnt quit his work and be a stay at home KITCHEN BITCH :D , Well i give you an advice NICOLE, be a career minded women and remain single and then you dont have to hear any man objecting to your life choices, NOR you have to quit your dream job on which you excel and Believe me your doing society and men a huge favor IF YOU DONT MARRY and sacrifice your career for a NO GOOD HUSBAND and WHINING and CRYING CHILDREN who are obstacle to YOUR LIFE CHOICES (yes only women have choices MEN HAVE RESPONSIBILITIES).

                  “Not to mention, daycare, if high quality, is actually better for kids in several ways. Do people honestly think that kids should be spending their formative years clinging to mommy’s leg rather than making friends of their own ages and developing social skills?”

                  What a BITCH woman you are :D i bet your one of those feminist who believe that children are burden to MOMMY’s career, BITCH dont you know nothing ABOUT NURTURING Oh Yah who am i kidding YOUR A FEMINIST ASS how would you know anything about compassionate, loving and nurturing relationship YOU CAN ONLY COMPLAIN AND MOAN about YOUR CHOICES. I believe and pray that there should be NO man to marry you :D and you should not bear any children and live your life as a old childless spinster living with her dozen cats :D .

                  Happy Single Day.

                  Gamerp4

                  August 14, 2012 at 12:44 am

                • Could reply to your above ENLIGHTEN Comment but would like to respond so that YOU wouldn’t assume that i gave up or threw my Knight shield down on you.

                  “I’m not even going to respond to most of your dribble except to say if you are actually married, I feel really bad for your wife. Does she know that you see women over 40 as “saggy” and worthless? What are you going to do when she starts to show her age – leave her for some 20 year old bimbo?”

                  Yes thank you for not responding BECAUSE YOU CANNOT :D , you see feminists know WHEN TO RUN AWAY from arguments and the MAN they are opposing (I Dont pat Myself on the back but i sure creep them out with my responses). I am actually married! let me think that out, well looking at my wife’s and two kids picture I sure look like I AM MARRIED :D but you can believe I AM LIEING (Whatever makes you happy) and NO my wife doesn’t need to know I see women over 40 as “saggy” and “worthless” :D because she knows that and not only her but everyone knows that :D (Which planet your from, Oh i get it YOUR FROM PLANET F), not only they are saggy and cannot bear children but they are worthless for MEN who need children when they marry, that is what MARRIAGE is about isn’t it, to have a compassionate, loving, nurturing WIFE who would get love and return love and would bear children (I dont know what is MARRIAGE in feminist book, Maybe you GALS have a different narrative for marriage, like you said that she should be compatible and all those thing like appearance and child bearing are useless things :D this is hilarious). NO! i would never leave her SHE is my first and only LOVE and One more hint for you SHE IS NOT FROM PLANET F (Read: Lunatic Planet FEMINISM).

                  “And you could not be more wrong about me – I’m 29, successful in a career that you’d never even be able to complete the education for, happily married to a man who is leagues above you, and look better than most 20 year olds I know. Sorry to burst your bubble.”

                  What Bubble? Opps Have you taken your medication :D because i didnt asked your age, neither i asked about your career nor i want to know how much education you have :D , Oh i see so you did FOUND A SISSY HUSBAND, Well i have a woman over here who is “HAVING IT ALL” guys :D Congratulations for getting the Feminist medal for “:Having it all” because your the first one in these 60 years for achieving the impossible (Oh wait you didn’t mention how many kids you got :D arrggg the patriarchy and these MEN well children are a burden to a MOMMY’s career according to you so FUCK THEM, live your life and boost your true potential). Oh so your more educated and have a successful career YAY! i dont drumbeat my achievement’s here Mr Nicole because i feel that is irrelevant to the discussion we are having.

                  “My main annoyance was that people here think they have the right to judge strangers and their parenting styles, but with you…it’s more that I cannot even understand what you’re saying without going through it twice. If English is your second language, fair enough, but if you actually grew up in an English speaking country and can’t write any better than this incoherent, inarticulate dribble, you should spend more time learning basic English skills and less time spouting crap on message boards.”

                  And you think YOU HAVE THE RIGHT to call the 30 something man who is going after 20 something woman a pervert and superficial :D what you think you are, YOU DONT HAVE CHILDREN so you have NO PARENTING skills and you just have no right to judge people, YUCKS next time i will write GIBBERISH for you to understand (Because Many feminists know the Gibberish language, YOU SHOULD HAVE TOLD ME THAT AT FIRST). Your trying to be an intellectual ASS :D but you failed big time when you didnt responded to my “Incoherent” “Inarticulate” dribble :D .

                  Thank You Cupcake but next time be more responsive to people’s opinion and FACTS.

                  Gamerp4

                  August 14, 2012 at 10:50 am

                  • “NO my wife doesn’t need to know I see women over 40 as “saggy” and “worthless” because she knows that and not only her but everyone knows that”

                    Your mother must be so proud. Does she know that her son sees her this way? You say all this crap about women – I’m sure you’re saggy and can’t hold a candle to most college guys either in terms of physical appearance.

                    And I didn’t respond to most of your tirade because it was literally too ridiculous to even respond to. I’m not gonna lie – when people spew this kind of crap, I’m usually easily incensed and will respond to it, but with you I just don’t think it’s fair to engage in a battle of wits with someone who is so woefully unarmed and can’t even form a coherent sentence. I don’t have that kind of time on my hands. If you see this as a copout, so be it – your opinion means nothing to me anyway.

                    Nicole

                    August 15, 2012 at 6:17 am

                    • My response is MUHAHAHAHAHHAHA MUHAHAHHAHAH! GO FUDGE YOURSELF.

                      Gamerp4

                      August 16, 2012 at 1:15 am

      • Reading your post, I think it is a fair guess that you are uneducated. Meaning you have no understanding of what it would be like to put in hard work, make major accomplishments, and then have some ignorant person /WOW. Between you and John Ross, it’s really a toss-up who is more DISGUSTINGLY ignorant.http://exposingfeminism.wordpress.com/shaming-tactics/

        runb4itstolate

        August 22, 2012 at 6:16 am

    • Being a good mother does not mean giving up your own dreams the moment children come into the picture. Why does the father get to pursue all his goals, while the mother has to throw away her education and everything she ever wanted to be? My mother had a brilliant career AND she was the best mother I could have ever asked for. Oh, and she didn’t get married or have kids until she was in her 30s either. Many women just don’t want kids in their 20s and especially not with men who are almost old enough to be their fathers, end of story. So this article fails in that it is glorifying something that is extremely unappealing to most women.

      Wanting to make a contribution to the world by using your education is not selfish. It’s not considered selfish for a man, so it is incredibly sexist and chauvinistic for you to say it is selfish for a woman. I think anyone who goes on about things that they know nothing about is making a fool of him/herself. in this example, you are going on and on about what makes a good mother when in fact you are a man and will never know what it’s like to be a woman or a mother. So you’re in no position to talk, really.

      My parents both had successful careers, and we had and still have great relationships with both. At times, Dad would cut back on his hours, and at other times, Mom would, or they would take turns working from home, so that we would pretty much always have a parent at home. And we didn’t grow up with our mother staying home and basically teaching by example that a woman’s place is to throw away everything she’s worked for and become a glorified maid and babysitter the moment she has children.

      And yes, older people do have wisdom that should be respected and know a lot that younger people are ignorant of, but that doesn’t give them the right to tell people how to live their lives. You have no right to guilt career women and accuse them of “stealing” time from their kids. Again, if the husband is not stealing time from his kids by working, the wife shouldn’t be accused of doing so.

      There are an infinite number of ways to make a happy family, and for each family, that is THEIR business and their business alone. As long as the children are happy, that’s all that matters.

      Teresa

      February 1, 2012 at 2:37 pm

      • “As long as the children are happy, that’s all that matters.”

        No, that is not all that matters. Far from it. A child does not learn to be a responsible, capable, self sufficient adult through happiness.

        I can’t stand this current trend of women using their kids “happiness” as an excuse to try and justify their own desires

        Bob

        February 1, 2012 at 4:38 pm

        • A woman shouldn’t have to “justify” anything if she wants to actually reap the benefits of her education. It shouldn’t even be an issue. A man is never said to be selfish if he wants a career, and it is ridiculous that a woman is. It’s not wrong or selfish for a woman to want to have a career, and I think it’s sad that there are still people who think it is.

          I think it’s selfish for a woman to waste her mind and talents by staying home and eating bonbons all day when she could be out there making the world a better place by using the education she worked hard for. And I think she’d be a better role model for her kids as well.

          How does staying home and throwing away everything you ever worked for to play mommy create “responsible, capable, self sufficient” adults? If anything, it’ll teach little girls that they don’t have to be responsible, capable, or self-sufficient, all they need is a man and a functioning reproductive system.

          My mother did just fine raising us. I’m sure better than she would have done as a stay-at-home mom. It really annoys me that people think they have the right to judge families/people that they don’t even know based on their own standards.

          Teresa

          February 15, 2012 at 8:47 am

          • “It really annoys me that people think they have the right to judge families/people that they don’t even know based on their own standards.”

            Mommy sure did an awesome job raising you, in between playing at her “career”. My personal experience was “X”; therefore it invalidates general rule “Y”. Assuming you’re not lying about your wonderful mommy. Every woman who posts here is the brightest, most successful evah, with a wonderful family. lulz.

            Oh, and we do have the right to judge you; the gov’t hasn’t gotten around to banning that yet. We’ll judge her stupid decisions – and yours – as much as we want to.

            Don’t like it, get together with the rest of the female hive-mind and repeal the First Amendment. It would be in keeping with feminism’s totalitarian impulses, in my opinion. “Don’t judge us wimminz! HURR DURR!!”

            Anatoli

            February 15, 2012 at 12:19 pm

            • Are you an idiot?

              Not being malicious, just genuinely wondering.

              Teresa

              February 15, 2012 at 4:13 pm

              • U mad, girl?

                Anatoli

                February 16, 2012 at 4:59 pm

                • No, not anymore. Bob I can agree to disagree with, and you…well, you don’t matter because you’re clearly a troll who’s just trying to get a rise out of me because you have nothing better to do with your time. It’s sad really…

                  Teresa

                  February 16, 2012 at 5:55 pm

                  • Keep posting about me to prove I don’t matter, pantsuit. We need more convincing. :)

                    Anatoli

                    February 16, 2012 at 6:08 pm

          • “How does staying home and throwing away everything you ever worked for to play mommy create “responsible, capable, self sufficient” adults?”

            Play Mommy? Play? You’re kidding, right?

            You call being a Mother playing. How damned clueless and stupid are you? You think a woman that stays home to dedicate herself to her kids is selfish and that it is a waste of her mind and talents.

            Madam, I suggest your “perfect” mother did not raise you fine. Instead she raised a spoilt, stroppy, selfish little girl that would rather put her wants over he childrens needs.

            Bob

            February 15, 2012 at 2:09 pm

            • I have no desire to have children, so I’m not putting my own needs above anyone’s welfare.

              You keep failing to answer my question. Why is a woman considered selfish for wanting a career when NO ONE would accuse a man of the same?

              If I do decide to have kids someday, hubby and I will split the child rearing responsibilities. No one will need to forsake their career. Unless, of course, he wants to be a stay at home dad, which would be fine with me. But you would probably judge a man who’d want to be a stay at home dad too, and say all kinds of nasty things about him, right?

              And you don’t know me or my family, so you have no right to judge or make your ignorant statements. Any woman who wants a career is putting her own needs first – bull. I’m glad ignorance like yours only afflicts the minority these days.

              Teresa

              February 15, 2012 at 4:21 pm

              • There is a difference between wanting a career and finacially providing for a family. If a stay at home father suddenly decided stop providing the non financial needs of his kids and went off to pursue his own interests I would be critical of him too.

                My concerns do not lay with what a man gets to do, neither are they in what a woman gets to do. It is why the hell can’t so called adults, act like adults and do what is best for their kids instead of what is best for themselves?

                Do you honestly believe a child is better of for not having a full time parent at home? Being a parent is the most important job in the world, yet people consider it a waste of talents, or not enough, or that they want more. Once a parent it’s not about what you want, or what you “need”.

                Do you think society has improved over the years? Do you think people are as respectful, intelligent, hardworking, honest, self sufficient and capable as they were in the past? Why does the average 30 year old have the emotional intelligence and life understanding of a 13 years old nowadays? Why do you think depression and therapy are so commonplace. The world is a hell of a lot easier than it used to be, so why do we have such a pathetic bunch of people that can’t cope with what life throws at them? Why are families increasingly churning out kids that don’t have the skills needed to live life without hurting themselves and others? Why is so much of life now described as “abuse”. Why has common sense been replaced by lunacy?

                People have become so selfish that selfishness is now the norm. Ask them to be any other way and the bleat like a kid that had it’s favourite toy taken away. Even if that means “forsaking” the sake of their kids.

                I will judge, Madam. Good judgement is a necessary life skill. A life skill taught to kids by good parents. It walks hand in hand with common sense. To prance through life with bad judgement, or no judgement at all, would be damned ignorant.

                Do you now what who else good judgement and common sense walk with? Nature. Nature makes the laws of life. It can’t be argued with. Be ignorant of nature, try to change it’s laws of life, and watch society fail.

                Bob

                February 16, 2012 at 7:13 am

                • But who’s to say that having a parent at home 24/7 is even what’s best for the kids? One common problem with stay at home parents is that their children are coddled and have a much harder time becoming independent and self-sufficient. The way I see it, there’s more than one way to make a happy family. The 1950s “father goes off to work every day, mother stays home and cooks and cleans all day” is just not for everyone. And the people for whom this does not work, should not be judged as long as their kids’ needs are being met somehow. Some families have stay at home dads. Some families have both parents taking turns picking the kids up from school, etc. Hell, some families have two moms, or two dads. And guess what? In ALL of those situations, the kids can turn out to be happy, well-adjusted, productive adults.

                  And wanting to be happy is not “selfish” unless, of course, this happiness comes at someone else’s expense. I don’t see that it necessarily would. In fact, the parents being happy is very important for the child’s well being. Do you think it would be good for children if their mothers are home with them and clinically depressed because they have no life outside of being a wife and mother? I think any child would be better off with a happy working mother than a depressed stay at home mother. And if you argue that any woman who has what it takes to be a good mother would not get depressed staying at home with her kids, that is terribly unfair and not true.

                  Here’s one of the things I find most bothersome: you call me “stroppy” for being offended by your statements. When you are in no position whatsoever to do so. As a man, I am almost 100% sure that no one has ever accused you of being selfish for wanting both kids and a career. So you have NO CLUE how it feels for such an accusation to be directed at you. It’s terribly unfair to judge when you haven’t walked a mile in the other person’s shoes. Think for a moment about how you would feel if someone told you that because you don’t want to give up everything you have worked for your whole life to stay home, you’d be a bad parent.

                  Teresa

                  February 16, 2012 at 1:34 pm

                  • “Think for a moment about how you would feel if someone told you that because you don’t want to give up everything you have worked for your whole life to stay home, you’d be a bad parent.”

                    But I did give up everything I worked for. I was a pro sportsman at his peak and quit not only that but all my other hopes, dreams and plans for life. I did it knowing I would never be able to go back to that career or those dreams too. I didn’t whine, whinge, sulk, wallow in self pity or need anyone to tell me it was the right thing to do either.

                    Bob

                    February 16, 2012 at 6:03 pm

                  • >One common problem with stay at home parents is that their children are coddled and have a much harder time becoming independent and self-sufficient.

                    Citation needed. If you expect people to take you serious, you can’t just say something and assume that your premise is valid. You have to prove your premise with facts and logic. But you don’t offer any facts to prove your position. You take it for granted.

                    There’s OVERWHELMING evidence that children raised by a stay-at-home mother are better off. For one obvious thing, by the age of 2 or 3, children will emotionally bond with whomever is their primary caregiver — be it mommy or a stranger at day care. Google “attachment disorder” for more info to learn about the tremendous emotional trauma that parents inflict on their children by shoving them in day care. Here’s some more info on the subject: http://etd.ohiolink.edu/view.cgi/McIntosh%20Kelly%20L.pdf?marietta1144855683 http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/24/opinion/main682922.shtml

                    CC

                    February 17, 2012 at 7:23 am

                • Coming back to this thread after a while, I have to chime in here. I wasn’t going to do this, but here’s what I had to deal with as a child. My mother was a stay at home mom. She was smart, capable, talented, etc. and got an MBA, but she decided to stay home. Which would have been fine, but well…it wasn’t. She was severely depressed and at times even suicidal. She really didn’t have much going for her in her life – no job, not even friends. She literally had no life outside of being a wife and mother. It didn’t help that her English wasn’t all that great either (my parents came from Sri Lanka). She ended up leaving when I was only ten (and my little brother was only 3!) because she needed to go back to be with her family (meaning her brothers, father, cousins, etc.). Because she never really felt like she belonged here. My parents hadn’t gotten their green cards yet, so there was a huge risk that she would end up basically deporting herself if she left. She only intended to stay there for a few months (and she actually brought me and my brother with her), but there was a huge chance that it would be much longer than that if she left the country without a green card. The lawyers told her this. She knew this, and she left anyway. Guess what? That was 1996, and to this day she is still there. They denied her visa as expected, and she was never able to come back. We came back at the end of the summer, both of us being citizens and needing to come back for school, but she was stuck there and still is.

                  Now, I’m 27, and my brother’s 19. He basically didn’t have a mother throughout his entire childhood, and I had to go through my teenage years without a mother. Fortunately we had a dad who was absolutely the best, and he really picked up the slack and sacrificed an unbelievable amount both personally and professionally for both of us. I think we both turned out fine, relatively speaking, but clearly this was hard on the entire family. What’s my point here? I strongly believe that if my mother had pursued her own happiness, maybe had a career and a life outside of us, that she could have been happy, and she wouldn’t have left. A parent’s happiness is very important, and a depressed mom can have consequences just like the ones that happened in our family. It’s not all about selfishness – it’s critical for a parent to be happy in order for the children to have happy, well-adjusted childhoods. If my mom had had a job, she would have probably have had a little less time for us, but guess what? We would have actually had a mom for the past 16 years. As it is, all we have is a thorn in our sides who calls us every week to cry about how much she misses us and wishes she had never left, and harasses us about things I feel (maybe irrationally so) she has no real right to know since she walked away. Her calls always stress me out, and though I love her, I hate hearing her voice every week and sometimes wish she would just leave me alone. It drives me crazy. She’s basically a stranger to me, and she’s trying to pretend she’s been a mom to me this whole time when in fact, she really hasn’t.

                  This isn’t a pity party, it’s just a demonstration that being a stay at home mom isn’t always the best thing for kids.

                  And I would appreciate if people wouldn’t say anything nasty about my mother – even though all of this makes her look awful and selfish, she’s really not. She has serious problems, but she definitely loves us.

                  Anna

                  February 16, 2012 at 7:12 pm

                  • Anna, I’m sorry to hear about that and don’t wish to say anything nasty about your Mother. What I would like to say is that happiness comes from within and many people are unhappy whatever their circumstance. It is easy to say this or that caused it but ultimately, it is our own responsibility.

                    My ex left a child, as did my oldest friend. They both stated their reasons but the truth is those reasons were not external, they were internal. That friend is now contemplating leaving his second wife and step son. They have done nothing worng, it’s not their fault, it’s him. He’s weak, he’s a runner, when times get tough he bolts thinking the grass is greener. He says it is because he is unhappy and lists reasons for that unhappiness, he says if he had lots of money and didn’t have to work 5 days a week he would be happy, yet where ever he runs to, whatever circumstances he changes, that unhappiness and disastisfaction soon follow.

                    This kind of behavior is what I mean when I say we, as a society, are losing life skills. So many aren’t learning how tough life can be as a child, they aren’t leaving home knowing how to care for themselves, emotionally, physically and finacially. They don’t know how to be an adult, a mother, a father.

                    My childhood wasn’t about being happy, it was about learning how to step into that big wide world and both survive and thrive.I remember at the age of 8 being unhappy at having spend a day chopping firewood in the snow, I wanted to be sledging with my mates. My father said to me, “This is life, kid, this is your job, and your happiness right now has nothing to do with anything. Now shut your mouth and do your job. You can do it smiling, or you can do it frowning, that’s your choice”. I tell you, you soon learn to do it smiling, because to stand in sub zero temperatures with a frown on your face makes for a long and lonely day. 8 years old and one of the most important lessons in life learnt.

                    Thing is Anna, there comes a point where understanding becomes it’s own disease.

                    A small bird will fall frozen dead from a bough without ever feeling sorry for itself.

                    One little bird, he’s the one to understand.

                    Bob

                    February 17, 2012 at 4:49 am

                    • “Thing is Anna, there comes a point where understanding becomes it’s own disease. A small bird will fall frozen dead from a bough without ever feeling sorry for itself. One little bird, he’s the one to understand.”

                      Bob, what does that mean? Does the little bird mean a child left alone? Why is understanding a disease? Explain more.

                      Janelle Anderson

                      February 17, 2012 at 8:49 am

                    • Understanding becoming it’s own disease? In short, excuses Janelle. When we start making excuses, rationalising and accepting bad behavior or weak character, understanding has become it’s own disease.

                      As an example. The story about me chopping wood in the snow. I remember my mother being upest that my father was making me work like that. “He’s cold, he’s tired, he wants to play with his friends…..”. Had she had her way I would never have learnt that life lesson. Her intentions would have been full of love and understanding but no good would have come from them. I would have been happy that day, an external happy, a happy that I got my own way, a happy from not facing my responsibilities, a happy a field of greener grass….. and bad behaviors would have been reinforced. Even had I only worked half a day and then been allowed to play I would not have properly learnt that lesson. My Father knew that in order to learn I had to be pushed to the limit. To be exhausted, to be frozen to the bone and to hold no self pity for myself, for that work to not be a hardship of life and to understand that suffering is a choice.

                      It true, a small bird will fall frozen without any self pity, without any hardship suffered, just life lived.

                      That tiny, fraglie, singing little creature is stronger, more adaptable and more capable that any human being.

                      He was a baby once, we all were once, why is he so strong and us so weak? Why is he content and us not? What did he learn in his childhood that we did not? Or maybe a better question is, what did we learn that he did not?

                      Bob

                      February 17, 2012 at 9:52 am

            • “How damned clueless and stupid are you? You think a woman that stays home to dedicate herself to her kids is selfish and that it is a waste of her mind and talents”

              How damned clueless and stupid are YOU? Thinking any woman who wants to use her talents rather than throw them away is selfish. And no, I don’t necessarily think stay at home moms are selfish. I said what I said to prove a point. I don’t have a right to judge them, just as YOU do not have a right to judge women who want to pursue careers.

              And I suggest that you do not mention my family again. You’re not worthy to even allude to my mother.

              Teresa

              February 15, 2012 at 4:25 pm

              • Hehe…Like I said, momma raised someone well. A foaming-at-the-mouth loon whose debating skills are about as good as her understanding of personal freedoms (yes, you are allowed to “judge” people on the internet). Seriously – what’s she going to do if we keep talking about her pwecious lil’ mommy?

                Bob is 100% correct. Modern “career women” are fighting against nature. Their bad choices pretty much guarantee that their children (if they have any) will grow up neglected & maladjusted. What’s more, women in the workplace will always have divided loyalties – it’s a matter of biology. Women were made to be the “nest builders” & nurturers, like it or not. Trying to mother children and climb the corporate ladder is like trying to drive an F1 race car while playing the trombone: chances are, you will do neither well. Even some of the more honest feminists will admit that the female drive to provide for children interferes with success in the workplace. The silly pantsuit who raised Teresa was doing nothing but (1) occupying a place a more capable man could have filled and (2) contributing to Teresa’s current…um…mental state. lol!!

                Anatoli

                February 16, 2012 at 5:17 pm

                • You’re calling me out on MY debating skills? Seriously? This coming from someone who resorts to name-calling and personal attacks because he clearly doesn’t have anything of value to say.

                  No one can stop you from judging, but it does make you a narrow-minded, ignorant arse to do so.

                  As for your ridiculous statements about how women are making “bad choices” and screwing up their kids in pursuing careers because they’re made to be nurturers, do you have any evidence to back up your statements? Do you have a PhD or even a Master’s in Psychology, Sociology, or any related subject which would show you have ANY credibility in saying these things? Because to me, you come off more like a bored 15 year old kid who’s trolling for attention and talking out of his arse.

                  Honestly, if anyone can present proof that kids actually do better with stay at home moms (notice I said MOMS, not parents), I’ll shut up. Seriously. But you won’t find anything like that because you’re just pulling crap out of the air to support what you want to believe.

                  As for the comment about “a more capable man,” my mother was more successful than most of the men she worked with.

                  I’m far more concerned about your mental state than mine. If you were truly trying to advocate for a set of beliefs, you would at least present your views with some degree of intelligence and maturity, as Bob admittedly did. But you seem more interested in offending people. You’re either so threatened by the idea of strong, smart, successful women that you have to resort to petty insults online to make yourself feel better (I’m betting you would never have the nerve to say this crap to anyone’s face) OR you’re just a bored troll who has nothing productive to do and gets his kicks by trying to offend strangers online. Either way, it’s pretty pitiful and you would do well to seek some professional help.

                  Teresa

                  February 16, 2012 at 6:23 pm

                  • “As for the comment about “a more capable man,” my mother was more successful than most of the men she worked with.”

                    What a good, impartial source we have for that tidbit. Tell us more about the pantsuit – it’s kind of entertaining. Just like all the other worthless anecdotes women keep posting here (my experience as a woman is different – therefore, disregard the statistical trend).

                    Anyways, tell me more about mommy dearest. Did she have stiletto heels? How short were her skirts?

                    “I’m far more concerned about your mental state than mine.”

                    Concerned about lil’ old me? Cool! I knew from the beginning Teresa wanted a piece – you can’t fool Anatoli. Sorry, hot cakes – not interested!

                    Anatoli

                    February 16, 2012 at 6:50 pm

                  • >do you have any evidence to back up your statements?

                    here’s one: it’s called “attachment disorder.” Google it.

                    >Do you have a PhD or even a Master’s in Psychology, Sociology, or any related subject which would show you have ANY credibility in saying these things

                    One of my good friends is a LCSW and therapist. It’s common wisdom amongst therapists that the mother-child bond is the single most important emotional bond in a child’s life. If that bond is shattered or damaged in any way (as with being thrust into daycare to be raised by strangers when your mother is the world to you, and you can barely comprehend verbal language), the child has a markedly higher rate of later emotional and mental disorders. The LCSW says that most of her adult patients with anxiety problems had a troubled mother bond, often because they were raised by strangers and learned that mommy (and thus by extension anyone who you care about) will abandon you when you least expect it.

                    >Honestly, if anyone can present proof that kids actually do better with stay at home moms (notice I said MOMS, not parents), I’ll shut up. Seriously.

                    Stay at home mothers have healthier children: http://jech.bmj.com/content/early/2009/09/29/jech.2008.084590.abstract

                    Now keep your promise and shut up.

                    CC

                    February 17, 2012 at 7:33 am

                    • You didn’t really find evidence that stay at home moms are better for children. Nowhere in that abstract did it say that it had to be the MOTHER who stayed home, and that a stay at home dad whose wife is the breadwinner wouldn’t be just as helpful for a child. I can totally fathom the idea that children with a stay at home parent do better, but who says it has to be the mother who stays home? Generally, if there is a stay at home parent, it is the mother, so there just isn’t enough of a basis for research to show that the mother (instead of the father) has to stay home in order to provide the best environment for children.

                      Also, there is an article for pretty much any point you would want to prove. Data can be skewed, the randomness of samples can be compromised, etc. There are all kinds of confounding variables too – these could be what’s actually responsible for certain study results, rather than the simple variable of whether the mom stays home or works. I found a few articles that assert that working mothers have more well-adjusted children.

                      http://yourlife.usatoday.com/parenting-family/story/2011-12-13/Working-moms-happier-healthier-than-stay-at-home-peers/51885630/1
                      http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/lifestyle/2011/12/part-time-work-for-moms-could-provide-best-work-life-balance-study-finds/
                      (the above two I wholeheartedly believe because of my own experience with a depressed stay at home mom)
                      http://www.emaxhealth.com/8782/why-men-make-better-stay-home-moms-women-do
                      (this one is interesting)
                      http://moms.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/07/27/7181109-working-mom-guilt-be-gone-your-kids-fare-better-study-finds
                      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/01/110105094115.htm

                      I think in the end, it’s about quality rather than quantity. A stay at home mom who watches soap operas all day and ignores her kid is not doing her kid any favors, whereas a working mom who comes home at the end of every day and spends several hours of quality time with the child can raise a happy, healthy child. I don’t like this idea that a woman’s role is to give up everything she ever wanted for herself so that her husband can chase his dreams and her kids have someone to cater to them full time. And then she’ll see this behavior in her kids – her sons will think it’s okay to treat women like slaves, and her daughters will continue the cycle by giving up everything they ever wanted to be housewives and mothers and be miserable just like their mothers (if it wasn’t wholeheartedly the mother’s choice to stay at home). As a parent, obviously you have to make sacrifices, but it shouldn’t be the woman who makes ALL OF them by default.

                      And while I don’t think kids should be dumped in daycare for 12 hours a day, daycare in moderate amounts can actually be really good for kids. Social interaction with PEERS is really good for young kids, rather than just hanging out with mom all day – not to mention it ends up being better academically as well (as one of the articles points out).

                      So no one really is in a position to judge what’s best for another family.

                      Anna

                      February 19, 2012 at 4:26 pm

              • >I don’t have a right to judge them, just as YOU do not have a right to judge women who want to pursue careers.

                Yes I do. I work in public schooling. The most fucked-up kids have single mothers who work full-time.

                >And I suggest that you do not mention my family again. You’re not worthy to even allude to my mother.

                Oh noes! A woman is angry!

                CC

                February 17, 2012 at 7:25 am

                • Don’t you think it’s possible that you’re just seeing what you want to see? We all do it to a certain extent – we believe something or want to believe it, and we only really take notice of what supports our own viewpoint. So you could very well be conveniently forgetting about the kids you see with stay at home moms who are screwed up, and the well-adjusted ones with working moms.

                  I had a stay at home mom and was as screwed up as anyone if not even more so.

                  Also, it’s better to refrain from insulting language if you want to be taken seriously.

                  Anna

                  February 19, 2012 at 3:58 pm

                  • You had a stay at home mom who abandoned you mid-childhood. Why you think that reflects on moms who don’t abandon their responsibilities is beyond me.

                    Anonymous

                    February 22, 2012 at 4:34 pm

                    • Because it’s been established that stay at home moms are much more prone to depression (which is what precipitated our family situation) than working moms. And I can’t blame them – the idea of being a stay at home mom sounds depressing as hell to me. Of course this is coming from someone who wants a baby like a hole in her head, and I fully acknowledge that it could change if I ever get to a place where I want kids, but right now I couldn’t possibly see myself being a stay at home mom without wanting to put a bullet in my brain. And I don’t blame anyone else who has kids and feels the same way.

                      No one expects men to sacrifice their dreams for their kids – at least not to the extent that it’s expected of women. It’s a given that once kids are in the picture, parents should be willing to put their dreams on the backburner, but more often it’s the woman who ends up sacrificing much more than her husband, being unhappy, and having regrets later in life. If she wholeheartedly wants to be a stay at home mom, good for her, but if she’s doing it reluctantly because it’s what society is pressuring her to do, that’s likely going to end in disaster and deep regrets for both her and her children.

                      And someone made a good point – what about gay and lesbian couples? Who’s expected to stay at home with the kids in those situations? Or are people here just going to be adamantly against that as well?

                      Anna

                      February 23, 2012 at 5:58 pm

                • To CC:

                  “The most fucked-up kids have single mothers who work full-time.”

                  I don’t doubt that your observation is true but one of the few nuggest of wisdom I learned from my psychology degree is that CORRELATION does not equal CAUSE.

                  For example, increased ice cream consumption is linked with drowning because more people eat ice cream in the summer AND more people go swimming in the summer but no one would say that ice cream CAUSES drowning.

                  Single motherhood may be ASSOCIATED with messed up kids but that correlation does not necessarily prove a cause and effect relationship.

                  Janelle Anderson

                  February 20, 2012 at 7:30 am

                  • Dear Janelle

                    well, maybe you could answering another reply. I really want know what you really thinking about the human nature, and in this case, “the women nature”.

                    Janelle, can you tell me why on earth a hunter that lived 2000 years back in time, relly wanted a women?
                    Do you think the women lived that time were different in mentality than women today? It was like a trade system Janelle, sex for money, or material things and status. It was not about love, but getting the best hunter (most wealthy) could make her feel upper class with her beautiful bear skins, teeths from the animals (could use for jeweler), that could make them sexy. It was a systme of trades, where the women asked for more material things, and the poor hunter risked his life for this madness. Endless needs for more and more material stuffs from the crazy wife.

                    And than you have this game of women – women situation “look at me…., see me,….. hear me….., wow i am so important…, what about you? My husband got 200 kilos (400 pounds?) of reindeer meats the other day, ohhh look at us, we are the greates success on earth….”

                    This is about the human natur peoples, its in the genes, and we can not fight against this laws of nature, can we? Of course not!
                    Get married? No f way! Why not just have a sweet f friend and have fun. Dont get abused by this gold hunters you guys, because thats what they really are!

                    Olav
                    Norwegen ;)

                    Olav

                    February 20, 2012 at 10:08 pm

                    • Dear Norwegen,

                      I don’t think marriage makes sense for anyone in today’s current political climate if people are only looking for a secular (non-religious) contract agreement (sex in exchange for material provisions).

                      For me, though, marriage is not a legal business contract but a COVENANT. I believe the purpose of marriage is described in a book in the Bible called Ephesians chapter 5. The husband is supposed to represent Jesus Christ in the marriage by loving his wife and putting his needs before her own. The wife is supposed to represent the church by loving, respecting, and if need be, obeying her husband as the church obeys Christ.

                      In my opinion, I can see how the headship/submission model of Christian marriage seems ludicrous to anyone who has been mistreated by a spouse or who doesn’t have a rock solid faith in God. But God’s ways are higher than my ways and His thoughts are higher than my thoughts. I don’t know why God created marriage like this, but He did.

                      Despite having two young children, I have never been married and I would not have been willing to submit to a husband in my twenties. Why? Because I thought God’s rules were ridiculous and did not apply to me. It has only been in the last few years as I have suffered the consequence of my sin (sin is anything that God forbids because it leads to pain, suffering, and separation from God) that I have begun to TRULY submit myself to God’s leadership.

                      Can we fight our selfish human nature? In my opinion, no, at least not by ourselves. For myself, having a personal relationship with God made possible through admitting my sin and accepting Jesus Christ’s payment for that sin by his death on a Roman cross, has allowed God’s Holy Spirit into my life.

                      Under our own human power, people have a very hard time changing their selfish human nature. But God is all powerful and as the Holy Spirit works on me, revealing my selfishness in small doses (God is kind: He does not try to change me all at once), I am transformed into something less selfish and better than I was before.

                      In conclusion, humans are, by nature, completely selfish. If you are only going to rely on your own selfish human nature then no, I would not recommend getting married, because you will never be satisfied or fulfilled because you are marrying another equally self-centered human being.

                      Non-religious marriage and God’s plan for marriage are very different creatures.

                      Janelle Anderson

                      February 21, 2012 at 7:16 am

                    • Teamwork, Olav, it was about teamwork. Two people working together to survive and raise a family. Each member of the family bringing different skills ands strengths to the table and performing their role within that team.

                      That is nature, if you wish to live within it, it demands an order that you cannot fight and beat.

                      Yet, nature itself cannot survive without a conflict of opposistes. There must be both light and dark, sun and rain, heat and cold. They must be in balance, constantly fighting an equal war that cannot be won. Constantly playing a game of tic, tac, toe. If one side becomes too strong life will end, but equally balanced those opposites become a great team and harmony will be found. That harmony will flow like a stream while the opposites face each other on each bank.

                      When man and woman came together life was created and sustained by a harmony of opposites. That harmony has lasted thousand of years. The small basic cell of a family unit mutiplied and thrived by following the laws of nature. Sure, we fought other families and communities but the cell from which we gain our strength remained intact. The opposites faced each other and the stream flowed.

                      This current behavior will not survive nature. An opposite wishes to no longer be opposite. It has crafted a bridge, crossed to the other side of the stream and the harmony is disappearing under it’s consumption. There is conflict but it is now unequal so one side retreats.

                      As time goes by the more we forget nature and it’s laws. Instead we try to make up new ones and convince oursevles it will work..

                      Night and Day do not trade to create life. They do not bargain to sustain it. They sit across the table from each other as opposites, place their cards upon it and take nothing away. That is not a trade, that is lifebringer and kingmaker.

                      The second one side does not lay all their cards down, the second one side takes away, that’s when your back is bared to natures villainy.

                      In short, “genes”, my arse!

                      Bob

                      February 21, 2012 at 7:24 am

                    • I don’t understand this conception that all women are golddiggers. I couldn’t care less about how much money a guy makes (though I will admit that I would prefer that he be intelligent and educated so that he would be someone I could have intelligent conversations with). I’ve never expected a guy to pay for my dinner or movie ticket and never will. The only reason I would marry is for love – money literally has nothing to do with it.

                      And the fact that some women have sex with men based on how much money they spend on them is disgusting to me. Basically, in these cases, relationships are degraded to a form of glorified prostitution, and I would never want to be involved in a freakshow like that.

                      Anna

                      February 23, 2012 at 6:04 pm

          • Dear Teresa,

            Before becoming a mommy I worked full time outside the home so I am able to compare the two jobs.

            Being a mommy is MUCH harder than working full-time outside the home for many reasons. First, a job results in paycheck but stay at home mommies don’t get paid. A job can bring respect and prestige but mommies change poo and that isn’t very glamorous. A job has a start and end time but mommies are required to work the day, evening, and night shift. At a job you have lunch and potty breaks. Mommies don’t get these.

            Before I had children I used to wonder what my neighbor, who was a stay at home mom of a two year old, possibly did all day. Why hadn’t this woman finished her college degree yet? Why wasn’t her house spotless? Well I certainly found out as soon as I had young children. Being a mom can take every ounce of energy that you have. Yes, there are moms that ignore their kids, but these moms aren’t doing a good job.

            As a single parent, I have humbled myself and moved home with my parents so that I don’t have to work full time to support my young children. It’s the only way I could provide my children with the love and attention they needed. Yes I could throw them in daycare so that I could afford a car and my own place to live, but this would not be in my children’s best interest. Being 35 and living at home with my parents is hard for ME but I have discovered that if you REALLY TRULY love someone, sacrificing your WANTS for someone else’s NEEDS is a joy, not a burden.

            Teresa, I realize you don’t have children yet, but when you do, please try to leave open the possibility that you may love them to such an extent that the idea of leaving them in daycare is tragic to you, no matter how much education you have. No one (except maybe their father or grandparents) will love your children as much as you do. Daycare will satisfy their physical needs, but those minimum wage workers won’t LOVE your babies and loving your children makes all the difference and is worth every sacrifice.

            Janelle Anderson

            February 16, 2012 at 9:37 am

            • Janelle, I’m sorry for my comment about “staying at home and eating bonbons all day.” I know that’s not really what being a stay at home mom is really like, and I shouldn’t have said it. But here’s the thing…I do not WANT children, and I may never want them. That doesn’t make me selfish, or less of a human being. It’s a valid choice. And if I do have them, they will be the most important thing in my life for sure, but that doesn’t mean I need to give up everything I’ve ever worked for to stay home. ESPECIALLY when I personally don’t feel that this is the best thing for kids anyway.

              I can think of a couple of extreme examples where the parents’ career success came at the expense of their children. One of my best friends was raised by nannies because her parents were almost never around – they were too busy traveling for their jobs. She turned out great, but she would have been better off no doubt having stronger relationships with her parents. But I actually blame BOTH her parents for this, whereas I think a lot of people here would only blame her mother because she was a woman and she should have stayed home – of course the father had the right to do whatever the hell he wanted, right?

              What’s wrong with BOTH parents playing an active role in their kids’ lives? What’s wrong with splitting the child rearing responsibilities, so that someone is always there for the kids, even if it’s not the same parent 24/7? Or for that matter, why can’t the dad stay home if that’s what both mom and dad want?

              My problem is with people who have the nerve to judge strangers. As I’ve said, there is more than one way to make a happy family and happy children, and no one has the right to tell someone else how to raise his/her kids (except for cases of neglect/abuse).

              Teresa

              February 16, 2012 at 2:01 pm

              • “I do not WANT children, and I may never want them.”

                I’m sorry to hear that. :(

                Anatoli

                February 16, 2012 at 5:21 pm

                • Why are you sorry? It’s a perfectly valid choice, as I said before. In fact, though she’d never admit it, I’m pretty sure it’s the choice your mother wishes she had made every time she hears you speak.

                  And you did make a good point earlier. I do tend to waste way too much of my valuable time feeding trolls online. I don’t know why I do it, maybe boredom? In any case I should stop. I shouldn’t even bother to finish this senten

                  Teresa

                  February 16, 2012 at 6:36 pm

                  • Come on – I want to hear more about super mommy. Did she have a nice swish to her walk? A little too much makeup? How many false sexual harassment suits did she file?

                    Anatoli

                    February 16, 2012 at 6:56 pm

                    • Wow…some of these comments…I gotta say, no real man would ever feel the need to talk like that.

                      Anonymous

                      June 9, 2013 at 6:59 am

                    • and every real women swears like a drunken sailor now a days so there.

                      Chauvinistic King

                      June 9, 2013 at 10:57 pm

  6. Hey Anna, like it or not this is becoming a very big issue for many men. Some people have less tact than others but Google the topic and see. Western men are tired of the spoiled princess and we are looking elsewhere. If you don’t like it too bad!

    What, western women are the only ones permitted to have choices in your misandrist world? Is that your idea of equality?

    Please just move on, we don’t need or want your comments here. We western men do not want slaves for wives we want a partner that will not stay out all night with her boss because she feels entitled or empowered to do so. Check some of the statistics Anna, 80% of the time it’s the women in western society that initiates the divorce. She will 75-80% of the time be left with everything. It takes a man 5 years to recover from a divorce, women a matter of months! Men are just pieces of garbage, a wallet? Who initiated your divorce Anna…be honest with yourself.

    Do you hate men that much that you have no compassion for their plight or what TENS OF THOUSANDS are writing about?

    No it’s not 1949 but neither is it an episode of Sexism In The City

    Dan Williams

    January 3, 2012 at 1:48 am

    • “Please just move on, we don’t need or want your comments here.”
      ****************
      Oh, I’m sorry, are we no longer in America? Because last time I checked, I had this little thing called the right to free speech. I will post on any public forum that I please, thank you very much.

      Um, no one initiated my divorce because it didn’t happen (this shows again that you didn’t really read what I wrote but just decided to see what you wanted to see because of your own agenda)…I’m not divorced because I’ve never been married…I’m 27 and still not done with my education. As far as my beliefs about divorce go? I don’t think women should be able to take their husbands’ money and assets. If a couple gets divorced, I think each person should walk away with what they owned before marriage and split the assets acquired during marriage in a reasonable manner. It’s absolutely wrong that women clean men out the way they do.

      When did I ever say men shouldn’t have rights? What I was saying is that there should be equality between the sexes. In a marriage, the man and the woman should respect one another. Neither one should neglect the other or any children involved.

      Next time, do everyone a favor and actually READ the post you’re responding to.

      And please don’t try to make people feel sorry for white men. Even with affirmative action, multiple civil rights movements on the part of women and minorities, etc., white males STILL have advantages that no one else has.

      Anna

      January 4, 2012 at 10:42 pm

  7. Anna do you think boys dream of marrying a prince and having children and a castle? Do girls play with dolls and dream of being saved by a prince and decorating a castle? You’ve talked a lot about equality and women’s dreams and the rights of women. All I’m saying is: What about men? Don’t men have rights? For example with an unwanted pregnancy women can abort, put up for adoption or carry to term and extort money from the biological father via Big Sister. A man in the case of an unwanted child? No rights whatsoever. I also don’t see feminists like you fighting for fairness in family law. How about criminal law? Did you know that on avg women serve 40% less time for the same crimes as men? When is the feminist march to stand up to this injustice to women? What a joke.

    Tim McInnis

    January 4, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    • I never dreamed of marrying a prince and having children. I dreamed of doing well in school, having a great career, saving lives, and making a difference in the world. It was only later (late teens) that I dreamed of marrying a great guy and MAYBE having kids. Most likely adopting though.

      Generally, I don’t *fight* for anyone’s rights. I’m not an activist, I’m just a person with certain beliefs. And yeah, or course men should have rights. I didn’t know that men serve more time for the same crimes, but obviously that’s not right or fair.

      I believe in EQUALITY. It is sad that so many feminists have distorted the entire movement, to the point where they think it’s okay to put men away for false rape charges, etc. But I think both genders should be absolutely equal. One thing I will say is that I believe that on dates, I never understood why it’s always the man who’s expected to pay. I always found that offensive. I am perfectly capable of providing for myself and thus splitting the bill for dinner.

      When it comes to pregnancy, I do think that both the mother and the father should have a say. I think it absolutely SUCKS that a man can want his unborn baby, but has no say, and the mother can just have an abortion without even telling him. I do, however, think that if the baby is born, the father should play a role in supporting the baby financially. But I don’t think it should be all about the mother – I personally am against abortion (I’ll bet you weren’t expecting that, were you?), but in cases where abortions are done, I do think that BOTH parents should consent or at least have reached the decision together.

      Ideally, people should just be responsible when they have sex so that whether or not to have an abortion isn’t an issue.

      Anna

      January 4, 2012 at 9:51 pm

  8. Anna: I hadn’t assumed anything about your abortion views- not my business/could care less. I’m glad to hear that you believe in equality. The true blunder that Feminism has made IMHO is that there’s and evil patriarchy holding them back when it just isn’t true. If it were then why on earth would divorce courts be so biased? Why on earth would men always be on the front lines in war and women safely protected? I could continue but I value my time.
    The entire feminist movement is one giant blame/shame technique used to control and manipulate. I’m not blaming women for this. Powers that be realized a long time ago that they could make much more money if they could tax both sexes for income. Google Gloria Steinem and CIA– they funded the entire movement from the beginning. No I’m not kidding. The problem is that it worked so well- the public ate it up! Women actually thought that staying at home raising children instead of competing among others for money and resources was oppression. Hilarious. Raising children isn’t easy work but neither is … well… work. The traditional roles developed naturally as humans evolved- this patriarchy theory is absolutely ridiculous. Anyone with half a brain realizes that women were always treasured and held in higher value than men since the dawn of time- (protect women&children first) Much of this was basically biological because being a woman meant you could reproduce. Men were and still are the most disposable creatures on earth. 80% of homeless are men. What would happen tomorrow if it were announced that women were 80% of the homeless? Men account for 80% of total suicides. Yet all you here in the media lately is about a “crisis for gay teen suicides”. Men aged 30-50 have for decades been by far the greatest group of suicide victims yet you’ll never find a rally of awareness for that.
    The simple fact is that the gender roles trap both genders. Women are (have always been) valued for their appearances and reproductive ability (for being born the way they are- nothing to do with skills/assets) while men are valued by their access to resources ($$$$) or for their skills (what they can do). Women have fought to be appreciated for what they can do- I have no problem with that. My question is when are men going to be valued for just being born the way they are and not be seen as disposable pawns for society? Feminism when it first began did some good in establishing basic rights that women deserve. But modern 2nd and 3rd wave feminism has done nothing but put in place handicaps that treat women like feeble weak-minded children (women getting hired just because they are women) IE- recently chicago area female firefighters in training joined feminist lobbyists to have exam standards lowered. Is that equality? Actions like these actually send the message that women aren’t equal.
    I really understand when you said… “I am 27, nowhere near past my prime (I look every bit as good if not BETTER than I did ten years ago), and I will only get married when I find someone who loves me for me, not for my ability to pop out his babies, be a young trophy, and be a housewife. I am completely mindful of the fact that I can’t wait 10 years to find a husband if I really want kids, but I am far more interested in finding a partner and best friend where we can support each other in our dreams together while simultaneously having kids if we want, rather than finding a rich guy who will take care of me while I pop out his babies, while my own career is nothing but an afterthought. I think this kind of environment is healthier for the kids as well, so that they don’t grow up thinking women should only be valued for their looks and their mothering abilities as you say.”
    As a 33 yr old male I’d like to say I will NEVER EVER EVER marry. Just like a boxer wouldn’t agree to fight with his hands tied. The family court and criminal court is framed against me (damned Patriarchy helping us men out again- pfff) I too would like to find someone who loves me for me and not what I can do for them. I’ve dated many women and – I’m still looking. If I choose to adopt a child I will teach it that men should be valued for their character and values and not their ability to pamper a wife who wants a $300,000 home.
    I’m a little curious of what you meant by “And please don’t try to make people feel sorry for white men.” Do only minorities and women have a monopoly on victimology? What did I as a 33 yr old male do to anybody? I stole nobodies land. I fought nobodies war. I never told any woman to stay in the kitchen.

    Tim McInnis

    January 6, 2012 at 12:38 am

  9. “A 35-year-old married one with a 48-year-old husband and kids in high school, thinking about what her career was going to be in a few years, would be smiling at me every day.”

    What exactly does she have to smile about? At 20, she married an old fart with whom she probably has nothing in common, she never really got to experience independence, and she’ll likely have to be a widow for the last 25 or so years of her life. Yeah, sign me up for that.

    You acknowledge that college boys aren’t ready for marriage and family. Has it ever occurred to you that GIRLS AREN’T EITHER? Now that they actually have a choice, they’re choosing to wait just as men have always had the option to. Also, no 20 year old girl would be interested in dating a 35 year old man, just like 20 year old boys wouldn’t be interested in a 35 year old woman. Why, in your scenario, does the man get to be a 35 year old bachelor who’s sown plenty of wild oats, while the girl he marries gets totally screwed in the deal – barely any dating experience, and now she’s stuck with a geezer?

    Oh yeah, and I don’t want someone who’s only marrying me because of my ability to give him children. I want someone who loves me for me, just as any sane woman does. Has that ever occurred to you? That maybe women who are childless at 40 didn’t “forget” to get married and have kids but just never found someone they loved, and following your idea would not have sufficed for them? Most women don’t see marriage as a business transaction or scientific formula – we want to marry for love or not at all. I’d rather still be single at 40 than give up my youth and independence to marry someone who’s basically a sugar daddy.

    No offense…but it’s really no wonder you’re divorced.

    Mandy

    January 6, 2012 at 4:39 am

    • > she never really got to experience independence

      how so? as a guy the only thing I demand from my wife is to stop sleeping around.
      If you consider that loss of independence then you aren’t ready for any commitment.

      > she’ll likely have to be a widow for the last 25 or so years of her life.

      so what? you could die for any number reasons at any time. That’s no excuse to
      rant about the age gap between them.

      > You acknowledge that college boys aren’t ready for marriage and family. Has it ever occurred to you that > GIRLS AREN’T EITHER?

      totally agreed.

      > Oh yeah, and I don’t want someone who’s only marrying me because of my ability to give him children. I > want someone who loves me for me [...]

      men want the same; but lots of stories tell that women change as soon as the ring is on,
      turning from the loving sane women that men want to marry to the nightmares that rape them in the divorce courts.

      however, marrying for love is a bit naive IMO: love fades after a few years (sometimes 6 months), and if you haven’t established some other commonality with your husband, you’ll get bored, divorce because
      “something’s missing”, get a new, initially exciting lover, and the cycle may repeat (google the Coolidge Effect).
      Marriage to me is foremost a bond between two people to share resources for benefit of both and their
      optional offspring. If you do is because you can see yourself not killing each other after 40 years, the better. Yeah, I’m old…

      Anonymous

      January 6, 2012 at 6:11 am

      • Independence has nothing to do with sleeping around. I’m talking about having the chance to live by herself and provide for herself for at least a few years after school. That’s what makes a lot of people finally grow up, and you learn a lot about yourself in that time. A woman can be a 30 year old virgin and have experienced independence.

        I just don’t think marrying younger than 25 is a good idea in this day and age. Maybe it was way back when, because at 25 one’s life was already half-over, but people live much longer now. These days, marrying under 25 means there is MORE than a 50 percent chance of divorce, because you tied yourself to someone before you really got to know who you are and what you want in life. And marrying for the reasons listed in the article? Even more likelihood for divorce – most 20 year old women have no clue what they want and are definitely not ready to be married.

        I just don’t think a divorced man (who couldn’t even make his marriage last until his daughter was an adult for crying out loud) should act like he’s in a place to give advice on how people should go about marriage.

        Mandy

        January 6, 2012 at 2:04 pm

        • again, no one is forcing anyone to marry when they don’t feel ready. If you are so strong and independent
          as you claim, them you’ll tell anyone who’s forcing you to fuck off.

          you assume that women are innocent bystanders in divorces: reality tells me otherwise.

          Anonymous

          January 6, 2012 at 10:16 pm

        • “I just don’t think a divorced man (who couldn’t even make his marriage last until his daughter was an
          adult for crying out loud) should act like he’s in a place to give advice on how people should go about
          marriage.”

          This site tries to warn men about the very real consequences of marriage and more than possible divorce. Your attitude above is one of the reasons: you automatically assume the man was at fault. Because women can do no wrong. If the wife initiated the divorce it must have been because the husband was an asshole/unresponsive/boring/… If the husband initiated the divorce he must be a pig/scum/negligent/… because women can do no wrong so it’s all his fault.

          Not all women think this way, but they’re becoming increasingly rare.

          GSingle

          January 6, 2012 at 11:50 pm

          • And YOUR attitude shows the tendency of people on this site to see only what they want to see and not what’s really there.

            All I meant is that a divorced person does not have the most credibility in presenting theories for successful marriages. I would have said the same thing had it been a woman who had written this garbage. I meant it in the same way that I would say a person who failed math would not be a good calculus tutor. You are so obsessed with this “modern society is out to get men” idea that you chose to see that in my statement when it wasn’t there at all.

            Go ahead, hit “thumbs down” on this post. I see now that people on this site are in the habit of “disliking” any post that protests against the misogynistic, ignorant crap posted here.

            Mandy

            January 7, 2012 at 8:18 am

            • I agree. The level to which some of the people on this site want to keep women confined to restrictive roles is ridiculous in this day and age. Not only that but some of them (like the author of this bullshit article and some responders) think they are experts on what makes a happy family and what a woman’s role should be. When in fact they are mostly men making fools of themselves by blathering on about things they have no idea about and will never experience.

              Thank goodness the idiotic people who frequent this site represent only a small, dying faction of modern society.

              Audrey

              January 10, 2012 at 4:23 pm

            • >All I meant is that a divorced person does not have the most credibility in presenting theories for successful marriages.

              On the contrary, a divorced person who _honestly_ evaluates their own decisions and errors has a great deal of credibility on the subject of successful marriage.

              >You are so obsessed with this “modern society is out to get men” idea

              Peer-reviewed evidence indicates that men are routinely disadvantaged in criminal court, family court, therapy/counseling and medical treatments. For the proof, browse through this site until you find one my comments with the citations. I’m tired of copypasta tonight.

              > see now that people on this site are in the habit of “disliking” any post that protests against the misogynistic, ignorant crap posted here.

              Shaming language is a demerit. First we’re misogynists, then we have small penii, then we’re all closeted homosexuals and angry at out mommies. Get a new tactic. Yours is old and busted.

              CC

              January 26, 2012 at 4:15 pm

  10. I’ve never been married but I know it will not be “fair” to me wether I become divorced or not. I don’t need to experience divorce to see just how unfair family law is in western countries. Did you know that you shouldn’t walk in front of a moving train? That the train will likely obliterate your body and kill you. Does one need to be hit by a train to know this? Nope.

    Tim McInnis

    January 9, 2012 at 4:41 pm

  11. I see all the female responses justifying their methods. I understand it and only hope that when they get serious looking for a mate at 35-45 years old after being used up by their professional and personal lives (normal wear and tear), there are takers.

    Father time is not politically correct but hey….. Good luck with that.

    ron murray

    February 25, 2012 at 7:18 pm

    • Who says that these women will *only* get serious about looking for a mate at 35-45? There are many women who start dating young and just don’t find the one until later in life.

      And there will be takers. Believe it or not, there are good men out there who care more about the actual woman than about her appearance or her ability to bear his children. Just because apparently most of the men who frequent this site can’t even comprehend such a man, doesn’t mean he doesn’t exist.

      Nicole

      August 13, 2012 at 11:38 pm

      • Your as dumb as a Chimp :D because there is a vast majority of women who are under 40 and above 40 & are never married, you want me post data stats for you to summarize so that you can get that through your thick skull, And no many women who start dating young are looking for ALPHA MALES or are called COCK CAROUSAL they ride it, they hump it, they slurp it, they suck it and the men pump them and later dump them :D which is why there is a vast majority of these hag old spinister looking for mates when they reach 40.

        There are some beta motherfuckers who will take the rotten steak (Read: Old Spinister hags) but there is a vast majority of men who will not even smell the 40 year old stinking and gaping vagina :D this is true if you have read you BIOLOGY and SCIENCE studies without going into WOMEN STUDIES, Lolz what is an actual women (Let me guess for you a women who is educated in liberal arts and have multiple degrees and has a good career is an actual women) LET ME TELL YOU your a moron, Actual women is that who have a good, compassionate, nurturing, loving and charming character, Knows what a good wife has to do and CAN BEAR CHILDREN :D you see this is an actual women NOT AN OLD HAG who has humped 30+ cocks in her youth and in some cases produced bastard children THIS IS NOT AN ACTUAL WOMEN, maybe your a women that is why you call a women with a career and cannot bear children A ACTUAL women but nature has a different meaning for that.

        GOOD LUCK finding your socalled “Soul mate” maybe you can ride the cock carousal some more but dont tell us MEN what an actual women is (CANT BEAR CHILDREN, DONT KNOW HOW A WIFE HAS TO PUT HER ACT, DONT HAVE ANY LOVING AND NURTURING CHARACTER, FUCK WHO WANTS TO BE WITH A WITCH).

        Gamerp4

        August 14, 2012 at 12:22 am

        • I’m 22 and had to have a hysterectomy last year due to an aggressive cancer, so I can’t bear children. I guess I’m not an “actual women” then. Thanks so much for that.

          Fortunately, my boyfriend doesn’t care that I’m worthless, dried up, not a real woman and wants to be with me anyway, and is happy to adopt kids with me. What a loser he must be, huh?

          Iris

          August 16, 2012 at 5:00 pm

          • “I’m 22 and had to have a hysterectomy last year due to an aggressive cancer, so I can’t bear children. I guess I’m not an “actual women” then. Thanks so much for that.”

            Yes you are not an actual women, Your just another man with a vagina and breast, I am not being sarcastic because An actual women is not only able to bear children but she has all the traits of a feminine one, she is compassionate, loving, nurturing, helping, supporting and above all a wife that neglects the fault of a man with her charming character :D you see these are the qualities of an ACTUAL woman, now you would say that how i know this AFTERALL i am a man well i do have a wife though and from her i am drawing these qualities which i see in her everyday BUT yes many american and western female totally lack all of these qualities in their character, the only thing they have is a bitchy attitude, nagging soul and a manly wardrobe :D ya ASK any western female about feminine traits and you will get mix response IN some cases she would call you a misogynist :D (been there done that) so lastly I will tell you i have no interest in your emotional drama of a life because not only your trying to touch the sensitivity of the topic but YOU’R trying to tell the guys that all those women who can’t bear child MUST HAVE HYSTERECTOMY :D because Mr Nicole doesn’t have Hysterectomy but she see children a hurdle and a big obstacle to MOMMY’s CAREER, well i got a big hint for these CAREER MINDED WOMEN

            HiNT: DONT MARRY & WHEN YOUR BIOLOGICAL CLOCK HITS GO AND DO SKY DIVING RATHER THAN GIVING BIRTH TO AN INNOCENT CHILD WHOM YOU WILL NEVER PRIORITIZE ABOVE YOUR SO CALLED CAREER.

            “Fortunately, my boyfriend doesn’t care that I’m worthless, dried up, not a real woman and wants to be with me anyway, and is happy to adopt kids with me. What a loser he must be, huh?”

            Good we need more loser and beta motherfuckers for these old, childless spinister hags because they are looking for that type AFTER THEIR FUN AND PARTIES with the crowd and slurping each and every cock in the neighborhood and the country they look for those BETA LOSERS just like you’r boyfriend so that they can finally “SETTLE” :D although they never “Have it ALL”, I WISH YOU HAPPY POST-FEMINISM ERA :D .

            Good Day

            Gamerp4

            August 17, 2012 at 1:59 am

            • Ironically, having kids is what destroys women’s bodies and makes them saggy. Women in their 40s who have never had children generally look amazing and have the bodies of 25 year olds. Look at Jennifer Aniston. The reason women like Jennifer look so good is likely because they never destroyed their bodies with pregnancy. And you call these women worthless – I seriously doubt they care. These women would never give you a second look anyway.

              And telling someone they’re worthless because of a medical problem? You are a disgrace to humanity. I hope karma bites you in the ass someday – maybe you’ll find out you’re shooting blanks and are thus not a real man. Maybe someone will kick you in the balls and render you “not a real man” anymore.

              Well, you’re not a real man anyway to any smart woman who knows how you really think. A real man wouldn’t need to bash women and defeminize any woman who doesn’t fit into his cookie cutter ideal, calling them worthless to feel good about himself.

              I’ll tell you one thing – every person on this planet has something to offer, whether that person is fertile or sterile. The idea that fertility has anything to do with worth is ridiculous, especially in today’s overpopulated world where people need to STOP having children or else the children who are already here won’t have a world to grow up in. Your arrogance in coming up with your “definitions” of what makes a woman worthy is laughable, as if you are the expert in who is worth what. It is up to God, not you, to decide how much each person is worth. Who the hell do you think you are?

              Respond to this post with your meaningless crap if you want, but know that I won’t be back to read it. You are ignorant, unintelligent, inarticulate and apparently uneducated, and your words are not worth my time. I’m posting more for the sake of people who might be hurt by your disgusting words so that no one takes your ignorance to heart. I find it hilarious that you would call anyone “pea brain” – well, maybe from you that’s a compliment, since your brain is obviously even smaller than a pea. I would tell you not to reproduce and pass on your defective genes, but apparently it’s too late.

              I’m not angry at you, I feel sorry for you. Because I know that a person like you who is so hateful and ignorant has NO chance of living a GENUINELY happy and fulfilled life, no matter how much you might think that’s what you have.

              Andie

              August 17, 2012 at 1:00 pm

              • Shut up mangina your worse or even equal to the pointless dribble women post on here. With no backing at all whatsoever. Did you got to mangina school? Does your wife bend you over with a strap on maybe? Or maybe your just another woman feminist trying scratch herself in on this site.

                Runb4itstolate

                August 18, 2012 at 7:21 am

                • Oh and these posts were for andie..Also what some men say on this site is simply giving the equality giving to men for a long time.I am sorry that some mangina’s cannot see that oh and yes you are so intelligent but watch south park? Yup your a mangina alright.

                  Runb4itstolate

                  August 18, 2012 at 7:31 am

                  • Insulting and putting people down has nothing to do with equality. And honestly, Runb4itstolate, reading your posts I thought you were intelligent but I guess I was mistaken. You can’t think of anything better to say to me than stupid, petty insults like “mangina?” And how exactly does calling someone out for being cruel to a cancer survivor make one a mangina? What are you, a bored 12 year old kid? That would explain your (and gamerp4′s) level of discourse.

                    This isn’t even a feminist issue, it’s about common decency and goodness to fellow human beings. But of course you and your buddy just lash out like morons against anyone who says anything against your posts, without even stopping to consider that it might be true. It’s not even an intelligent kind of lashing out, it’s just petty name-calling and insults that most second graders would be embarrassed to utter.

                    Respond with more insults if you want – but you’re not really insulting me, you’re just making yourself look bad. And I won’t be back to read any more. I see now that this site is exactly what people told me it was – a bunch of angry, bitter men who band together and revel in their hatred of women together. You know the world is laughing at men like you, right? Sane, rational posts defending women get thumbed down automatically and ridiculous woman-hating dribble is revered here. Too bad your beliefs don’t translate to the real world – the only women who will even give either one of you a second look are self-hating doormats. Good thing gamerp4 found one of those, if he’s really married as he says. Maybe there’s hope for Runb4itstolate (can’t even spell properly in your own username?) as well.

                    No wonder you’re so angry and bitter – intelligent people in your life probably see you for what you are and will have nothing to do with you. Loneliness does tend to make one angry and bitter.

                    Oh yeah and to gamerp4 – Nicole never “defined” an actual woman or said anything like what you were saying. You were the only one arrogant enough to think that you have the right to come up with a definition.

                    I’m sure you will come up with more childish insults here, but you’re wasting your breath as I’m not coming back to this site. I have better things to do than continue to go back and forth with a couple of misogynistic cretins or to even read their worthless posts.

                    I would say have a nice life, but sadly I doubt you will, being the miserable specimens you are.

                    Sayonara, suckers!

                    Andie

                    August 18, 2012 at 12:03 pm

                    • You seriously must be a woman with your grammar demands “My username is the best you can do?” lol..Hey why don’t you and your feminist friends post something to my nice long post near the bottom of the page. Lets hear some intelligence c’mon people and then maybe I will show you some more intelligence other wise why would I waste it when I do not see any?

                      truthseeker

                      August 18, 2012 at 3:03 pm

                    • Don’t know why I can’t respond to this last post of “truthseeker,” but I’m sure he’ll know I’m talking to him.

                      “My username is the best you can do?” – first of all, incorrect use of quotation marks (no grammar demands have nothing to do with gender but it’s hard to take someone seriously when they type like a 5 year old). Second, if that isn’t the pot calling the kettle black I don’t know what is. Looking at your posts here, it would be much easier to say “calling someone mangina is the best you can do?” She made a lot of points, and your username was just one tiny little passing comment. You, on the other hand, when you have no intelligent rebuttal to someone’s posts, resort to simply calling them “mangina” and other abusive language. She actually had some substance in her post rather than the childish name calling you and some others employ because you have nothing better to offer.

                      And I don’t think anyone should have to be forced to read your novel at the end. Just for kicks, I read it though. I’ll admit your points aren’t complete bullshit, but you lose all credibility when you blame boys not doing as well in school as girls, men committing suicide more often, men living shorter lives, and men being homeless on feminism. You are so obviously reaching to support your stance, and it’s ridiculous. These things have to be grounded in realism for people to take you seriously, not pulled out of your ass. Men commit suicide more because they’re oppressed by women?? LMAO! Do you have ANY evidence of this whatsoever, or is it just fresh out of your ass like I suspect? Any person who actually studies these things would laugh at you and write you off as a retard.

                      Teresa

                      August 18, 2012 at 3:25 pm

                  • Oh yeah, and such strong responses with all the name-calling? If you really thought what I was saying was so silly, you’d just laugh it off. You’re responding so strongly posts on here because you know, deep down, that there is truth to what is being said about you. And that scares the shit out of you, so you’re dealing with that by lashing out like idiots.

                    Have fun, and hopefully mommy doesn’t revoke either of your computer privileges anytime soon!

                    Andie

                    August 18, 2012 at 12:08 pm

                    • Hahaha you like that username better? “truthseeker”To fckn funny you people!!!

                      Runb4itstolate

                      August 18, 2012 at 3:06 pm

                    • Teresa I don’t see you posting anything to refute my post on the topic.The only things you have stated I see is complete reversal crap and petty unintelligent remarks.
                      This is why I stand my ground and react as I will continue to do so I am only giving what is being given to myself and other men.
                      I am sorry you women cannot see yourselves beyond your own staged princess qualities.
                      If I am such a retard why don’t you actually look it up in a real history book made in times of the said subject.Instead of going by your false feminist women’s education in University’s or what is written in cosmo magazine!
                      I know I know all men are pigs except the little cute puppy ones that will do anything momma bear says.
                      Times will change you just wait and see and you will have all the equality that you have wanted based upon lies. Then you will see what lies get you in the end and what kind of equality will come your way.
                      Don’t you worry you might just get your wish as society is slowly breaking down under the feminist regime and is slowly changing to a new type of religion as mosques creep up at a steady rate:)
                      You think you have it so bad now with your easy sluttish sexual gratification and control on men I think it will be funny to sit back and see how you would fare when you see all that you have taken for granted be eradicated.

                      Runb4itstolate

                      August 18, 2012 at 4:21 pm

                  • Despite the fact that South Park’s main characters are 4 school-aged boys it would be a mistake to think the show is intended for children. South Park’s demographic is aimed at adults who enjoy sharp satire about current political and cultural events. If South Park’s authors understand culture and politics deeply enough to twist them into irony and satire, they do not lack intelligence. Funny people are usually quite smart.

                    Janelle

                    nswahine

                    August 18, 2012 at 1:32 pm

                    • But of course princess what ever you say NOT!

                      Runb4itstolate

                      August 18, 2012 at 3:09 pm

            • Oh and by the way, if you’ve ever watched South Park, Mr. Garrison makes a comment at the end of an episode that anyone who cannot have babies is not a woman – when one guy responds that his wife had cancer and can’t have babies, Mr. Garrison tells him he’s having sex with a man then. Unfortunately for you, this wasn’t meant as a serious commentary but clearly intended to be a joke and show what an ignorant ass this character was.

              Have fun with your ignorant worldviews, but I’m sorry to say any intelligent person sees you as a pathetic joke.

              Andie

              August 17, 2012 at 1:04 pm

            • You are probably going to have to eat your own words one day – prostate cancer will leave you infertile or your wife or daughter will be in Iris’s situation. I wonder what you’ll say then.

              I still cannot believe you would say that to someone. Do you have any idea how traumatic it is to have cancer and suffer a loss like that, and then have some piece of trash tell you you’re worthless because of the horrible ordeal you’ve suffered? Karma has a way of coming around, so I’m sure one day you’ll know exactly what it’s like and regret being such a prick.

              Andie

              August 17, 2012 at 6:43 pm

            • I hate feminism and what it’s done to western countries as much as the next guy, but dude…that was not cool. Telling a girl she’s not a real woman because a fight with CANCER left her infertile? That’s the kind of shit that makes people kill themselves.

              You’re the kind of douche that gives all guys a bad rap.

              Matt

              August 18, 2012 at 6:01 am

              • I am not going to comment on the dribble of ANDIE’s (I know she’s a woman with a MAN’s name but who cares fuck her) i just need to clear this Matt ol’ buddy that i didnt insulted her nor i called her any name (Did you see me insulting her or calling her names as infertile or mocking her illness?), I have no interest in her life nor i want to here her claiming that her infertility is because of the cancer she got MY RESPONSE was this that not ALL women who are childless have cancer has a reason for their infertility BUT their reason is just this THAT all these women did was follow their career and never looking at life that there is another thing that needs to be done :HINT: like making a life with an equal partner Husband and bearing some children, But all these old hags did was to enjoy the sexual liberation thingy and follow their career paths and when nature called them to be mommy’s they outrightly blamed MEN and PATRIARCHY for their sorry lives (Which was their fault in the first place).

                Just read Nicole’s comment where she states that Children are just burden to MOMMY’s career and ALL women should prioritize their career over husband and children because that’s all is in their lives (Although she herself got married when she was 20 something :D and maybe will bear children when her biological clock hit her like a church bell).

                But i would finish my comment with this THAT THERE ARE MANY WOMEN out there who would also call a small penis, impotent and limp dick guy “Not a real man” but nobody is gonna give another fuck to that because ITS JUST ANOTHER WOMAN STATING HER OPINION but i am standing on my definition of AN ACTUAL WOMEN is that who can bear children and have all the feminine traits, I dont care what ANDIE’s of this world has to say or feminists have to say, I am sick of women directing ways for men to see what is real and whats not, Nicole’s definition of real women is as corrupted as her soul is.

                END and between i wont fucking give a damn if all those old spinister childless hags drop dead in miliseconds.

                Gamerp4

                August 18, 2012 at 7:29 am

                • “END and between i wont fucking give a damn if all those old spinister childless hags drop dead in miliseconds.”
                  *************************************
                  Don’t worry, I’m sure they won’t give a damn if you drop dead either.

                  By the way, the world is overpopulated, human beings are draining the earth’s resources, and it’s actually very selfish at this point to continue reproducing, so your ridiculous tactic of giving women shit for not having babies is not only rude but illogical.

                  If someone wants to have kids, they should go for it. But if another man or woman chooses not to for whatever reason, you are NOBODY to comment on that choice or criticize it – especially since, as any ecology expert would confirm, there are too many people here to begin with.

                  If anyone should be having kids, it’s smart people. But unfortunately, it’s the trailer trash retards who are reproducing like rabbits, passing on their genes, and dumbing down the human race with every passing generation. So not only are humans multiplying at a rate that’s bound to destroy this planet, the humans that are being created are getting stupider and stupider and less able to contribute to anything good in the world.

                  Take your case. I think it’s regrettable that you reproduced at all. How smart or capable could YOUR kids possibly be with their parents’ genetics? They have YOU (an obvious retard) for a father and a mother who was stupid enough to marry you as their mother. Those poor kids are doomed, and you should never have had them and passed on your lack of intelligence, helping to dumb down the next generation with your offspring.

                  Teresa

                  August 18, 2012 at 3:10 pm

                  • “Don’t worry, I’m sure they won’t give a damn if you drop dead either.”

                    Thank you but i think i still have 40 or 30 years to live, so ya stop your celebration :D .

                    “By the way, the world is overpopulated, human beings are draining the earth’s resources, and it’s actually very selfish at this point to continue reproducing, so your ridiculous tactic of giving women shit for not having babies is not only rude but illogical.”

                    Well i dont know how you got that theory, DO YOU HAVE ANY STATS to show that you argument about overpopulation is correct or did you and santa claus went on a fairy ride to count each and every person on this wretched earth. Between It was you who said that NOBODY has the right to judge people or criticize them for their choices, so WHO gave you the right to say that it will be selfish for people if they reproduce (I would recommend you to adopt that logic to yourself, NEVER REPRODUCE because we have enough mentally depressed people running around “Most of them are females : Read 41% Maybe your included”)

                    “If someone wants to have kids, they should go for it. But if another man or woman chooses not to for whatever reason, you are NOBODY to comment on that choice or criticize it – especially since, as any ecology expert would confirm, there are too many people here to begin with.”

                    Nobody criticize anybody here NOR i am forcing women to have kids, I STATED a definition of ACTUAL WOMAN which is that SHE COULD BEAR CHILDREN and if not she is just another man with a VAGINA, it is not hard to tell really, because Many women in the real world call and even in some cases insult men who have limp dicks, erectile dysfunction, small penis or impotent but nobody says anything to that and i believe that is not a sign of REAL MEN either but you shouldn’t play double standards here, IF a wife can cheat on an impotent husband just because he can’t reproduce, A MAN shouldn’t be bound with a infertile woman, IT IS SIMPLE biology but YOU and NICOLE dont understand that BECAUSE you never learned science and your teaching me ecology :D which i have no interest in.

                    An infertile woman is NOT AN ACTUAL WOMAN, just like a impotent MEN is not a real MEN and many Male Feminist are impotent males which is why they are attracted to female crowds because they feel comfortable with their feminine compatriots.

                    “Take your case. I think it’s regrettable that you reproduced at all. How smart or capable could YOUR kids possibly be with their parents’ genetics? They have YOU (an obvious retard) for a father and a mother who was stupid enough to marry you as their mother. Those poor kids are doomed, and you should never have had them and passed on your lack of intelligence, helping to dumb down the next generation with your offspring.”

                    Thank you but you’r socalled judgement on me might turn into a shamefull apology if you meet me in person but alas i dont greet feminist with an open heart because i know they might tear it up, and obviously you have no reason to call judgement and opinions on people you haven’t met in real life, I didnt called you a retard but it sounds like you might be from that club but overall I have kids who are doing pretty fine than you ever did in school, if you want to have a chat with them i might fix that for you but believe me that their intellectual level might be too much for you. THE only reason i dont act civil and in a professional manner with narcissistic women because i know they have nothing to add to the discussion but they only like to mock people with their entitled attitude they think that they own the world and the people living in it, look at you who have called an unjust argument on my family, my wife, and my kids.

                    If you were a sound woman you wouldn’t have named my family in the discussion but you dragged me and my family and personally attack them even though they were never in the arguments, DID I CALLED OUT YOUR HUSBAND AND KIDS in the argument NO! so i rest my case and would let the people and MEN here decide who is more intelligent and more intellectual here.

                    AND by the way next time i wont be this generous to you if you call my wife stupid and my kids “retards” because if you do that be ready for the hell which i will break loose on you.

                    AND JANELLE i hope your sleeping well because not only you didn’t stopped this woman from insulting me and RUNB4itstolate but you didn’t came out of your hiding when she called my family in the argument. I am not being an emotional fool but a man has limits and those limits end when somebody drags his family to the discussion.

                    Gamerp4

                    August 20, 2012 at 5:07 am

                • “Yes you are not an actual women, Your just another man with a vagina and breast, I am not being sarcastic because An actual women is not only able to bear children but she has all the traits of a feminine one”…”Good we need more loser and beta motherfuckers for these old, childless spinister hags because they are looking for that type AFTER THEIR FUN AND PARTIES with the crowd and slurping each and every cock in the neighborhood and the country they look for those BETA LOSERS just like you’r boyfriend”

                  That definitely seems like direct insults to me – telling her she’s not an “actual women” and that her boyfriend is a loser for not ditching her. Calling her just a man with female body parts seems like an insult too. Too bad there’s no edit or delete feature here – it makes it pretty hard for you to backpedal.

                  Matt

                  August 21, 2012 at 8:11 pm

                  • What is no one getting here?This blog is written for men this is just one of the subjects “Feminism’s terrible Blunder” Put 1 and 1 together and it does make two! These women come on here and plainly down men no if’s and’s or but’s! I am tired of these manginas sucking it up and letting women get away with this crap especially in society! What bring the women here is the subject also that subject has the word feminism in it so ask yourself what are the greater percentage of women that come here?
                    Now the question really arises to how many women here are posing as men?
                    Men are insulted every day just turn on your tv for 10 minutes! By being a mangina or a white knight helping these women in the destruction of men will not make a better world for yourself or you children..Unless I guess you want your son wearing a skirt!

                    runb4itstolate

                    August 22, 2012 at 5:54 am

                    • You can’t expect women not to respond to an article that presumes to tell them how they should be living their lives. Especially one that says “the way it should be” is that a man gets to have fun and be unattached throughout his 20s while a woman is supposed to be looking for an older husband while she is in college. So he gets to sow countless wild oats for 10-15 years and then marries a 20 year old virgin who worships the ground he walks on. *eyeroll* And that a man gets to have a great career that he builds upon starting in his 20s, while a woman doesn’t get to start her career until her 40s or 50s. That is not “having it all,” it’s a load of crap. Basically, a woman is supposed to raise kids when she’s still a kid herself, and by the time she gets to actually use her education, no sane employer will want anything to do with her. What employer is going to choose a woman in her forties with no useful job experience and an outdated education, who chose to spend the last two decades being June Cleaver rather than making use of her education, over a 25 year old recently out of school with 10 times more energy and motivation to succeed? She can choose from a limited range of careers – running a business, freelance work, things like that, but choosing a career path that requires an extensive education, like being a doctor, is out of the question. No MAN would tolerate being told to live this kind of life., so why should we?

                      Some of you keep saying this is a blog for men, so why are women even coming here – this is why. And what place does an article like this even have on a website for men, considering it’s targeted towards women? I’m not going to take the time to look, but I’m betting most of the women who responded to this article didn’t bother to respond to anything else on this site – the reason we responded to this article is that it is offensive, ignorant, and features a man making an ass of himself by talking about things he will never experience.

                      You get SO PISSED when women make any comments directed towards you – if you were the ones being told to put your life and career on hold for 20 years to stay at home and raise kids, to marry a woman 10-15 years older who has been around the block while you’ve stayed inexperienced, to only get to start your career in your 40s, you’d be whining about “oppression against men” even more than you do now.

                      Teresa

                      September 13, 2012 at 10:28 pm

  12. Wow the feminists really love this site huh?( Who says that these women will *only* get serious about looking for a mate at 35-45? There are many women who start dating young and just don’t find the one until later in life.

    And there will be takers. Believe it or not, there are good men out there who care more about the actual woman than about her appearance or her ability to bear his children. Just because apparently most of the men who frequent this site can’t even comprehend such a man, doesn’t mean he doesn’t exist.) I swear you women live in the same Cinderella cartoon you were raised up with.
    I dated a few years ago a couple women in their mid 40′s I can simply say no different then dating your average 26 year old western slut. Both these mid 40′s women had no children either. But once again what women don’t get is a man will not stay with your man hating,whining,two faced self-centered,entitlement having self whether you have wrinkles with a stretched out piece of roast beef,or if your a sexy bunny jumping out of a cake.It is you period and in general!!
    I was dating this 42 year old woman awhile ago for 3 weeks till I found out she was a controlling feminist and also that she was screwing 6 other guys that were guy friends to! As I see it if you want to settle down with a good woman better look in a nursing home which none of us men will resort to! So men just go over seas while the cheating wife gets the house and car and remains alone with her F buddies till they get sick of her to.
    The loving,nurturing,FAITHFUL woman of yesterday is gone. What we have here in the western world is nothing but feminists man haters,cheaters,liars,etc etc.That simply want it their way or no way at all and some men are waking up and saying hell no we are no ones pets or slaves! That is the argument mostly on here in reality and the women get on here and whine, why? because they cannot stand the fact men are actually speaking up coming out with the truth point blank and that simple! Why else would these women get on one of the few sites like this made by a man when they have hundreds and hundreds of male hating,bashing,how to control men sites?
    The women get on here trying to conquer an awakened male simply because it drives them crazy to hear a man that actually knows whats going on around him! They can’t help but to then spin the feminist propaganda that they have learned over the years whether through school media,television or music!

    The only thing is now this propaganda that you women have learned over time has made you into nothing but two faced sluts that do not even know what she herself wants anymore.That is why also feminism is also contradictory saying they are so empowered. Oh yes they are empowered by using their body and controlling men showing a women’s true nature.Without media and music you simply would have no control on men.That is why 86% of the porn industry is controlled by women now hmm but yet men are not aloud to treat them like the whores they are?That’s a little two faced in itself! That’s right their is proof of women’s control of men setting them up for the fall!
    Do you know how many college girls beg to be screwed and payed dollars? Not because they are oppressed but because they enjoy being a whore and making money at it! This is what your feminist propaganda has brought!Just keep pumping out the whores!
    In the end no man wants a used and abused piece of meat oh he will happily use it more, then chuck it but if you think he is gonna stay with it your mistaken!
    Oh and its not just because its so used up but because it is you the American/Western woman in general in all of you entitlement princess ways, the using the manipulating and controlling woman that you are. No man wants to be with a man hating slut control freak so for you women on here that continue to post your dribble just take a good look in the mirror!

    Runb4itstolate

    August 14, 2012 at 8:06 am

    • I find it ironic that you accuse women of hating men when you’re CLEARLY the one who hates women. Look at all the hateful language you use over and over. Ever heard of projection??

      I don’t think any woman here said anything about hating men, just about hating the chauvinistic attitudes that many men seem to still have. You just hate women and are putting the spin on everyone’s words that will support and justify your anger.

      “The women get on here trying to conquer an awakened male simply because it drives them crazy to hear a man that actually knows whats going on around him!”

      More proof of your anger – your head is spinning and you can’t see anything for what it is. You honestly call yourself “awakened”?

      I personally never wanted to “control” a man. I’ve always believed in equality, and most “feminists” probably want the same. It’s not about being angry and hating men, it’s about wanting to be treated as equals and not seen as failures just because our lives don’t revolve around being a 1950s housewife who starts popping out babies at 20. The fact that certain men would spin that to mean I hate men and want to control them is extremely sad and makes me feel sorry for these men.

      I’ll say the same thing to you that I generally say to men who go on and on about how crazy/horrible women are: if you hate women so much, why not just date other guys? You’d probably be a lot happier.

      Nicole

      August 14, 2012 at 8:42 am

      • y=Ya still don’t get it do ya? Guess you would not as you twist everything to the female liking. Men have been put down for decades now.AND AS FOR WOMENS OPPRESSION IT IS ALL CRAP!Plenty of statistics to prove that to!MEN ARE GETTING TIRED OF THE FEMINIST WAYS. THE KINDNESS AND TOLERANCE OF MEN THAT HAVE LET THIS GO ON AS LONG AS IT HAS IS QUICKLY FADING AND YES WE WILL GIVE YOU AS WHAT HAS BEEN GIVING TO US THAT INCLUDES LABELS AND NAMES IF YOU DON”T LIKE IT THEN GET OUT OF THE GAME>! and dating women these days are no different then dating guys that is why I do not date western american women anymore if i wanted a guy I would be gay! thank you! Oh and yes princess take a look at this whole site of what women write! Men are simply speaking there views their is almost 96% of womens posts that down men automatically stop seeing what you only want to see typical entitlement queen!And yes I know you are not used to men speaking up and being men unlike a great amount of men you have molded into puppy dogs with feminism. But we are still kicking and we will put you down and will not take any horse s@!!

        Runb4itstolate

        August 14, 2012 at 10:34 am

        • Oh and one other thing I love women that actually act like women but that does not exist here! Trust me I am not angry I just speak for Mens Rights! Why would I be angry when I can get on a plane and spend a week with a great sweet heart overseas that treats me with respect? cmon now! Get with the times princess!

          Runb4itstolate

          August 14, 2012 at 10:37 am

        • “Oh and yes princess take a look at this whole site of what women write! Men are simply speaking there views their is almost 96% of womens posts that down men automatically stop seeing what you only want to see typical entitlement queen!”

          I think you’re the one seeing what you want to see. Any objective third party would see that in general, many (not all, but many) of the men posting here are rude, derogatory, and demeaning towards women in the general tone of their posts, and they use more abusive language. They are not “simply speaking their views.” Further up this page, a man tells a single woman in her 20s who is finishing her education that she is “wasting her best reproductive years,” completely disregarding her statement that she does not want kids at this point in her life. That is one of the most disrespectful things I can think of, telling someone you don’t even know that they are living their life the wrong way.

          Yes, men and women should respect one another, but respect needs to go both ways. You can’t bitch about how women are treating men like dirt when you’re no better with your rants against women.

          Nicole

          August 14, 2012 at 7:29 pm

          • I am talking about the whole site in general or maybe you have not looked at the rest. What men are doing here is speaking their views and most of which is by exp along with cold hard proof of what 99% of American women are. In that if you actually read through the entire site with your eyes and not your feminist eyes you will see what woman truly say.But you already know this and simply are just playing stupid.
            For the past decade men have not been treated equal along with being put down not just by women in person but all over TV and media! Sites like these are very few go ahead and count the sites women have that bash men! and your saying the minority of women? Oh give it a rest princess women’s involvement in this is far from a minority..But after all that is how feminists work just like you princess always twisting making themselves look innocent just as a flawless diamond in the rough.
            The way I write on here is simply because I can you women want equal? I am simply giving you the exact treatment! Men do not deserve respect by women anymore? men will no longer give it. Like I said from the get go women come on here simply to try and put down the men that actually are left that have any views of reality on what is going on around them. Simply because women yearn for total control and that is feminism at its best. Women like you cannot stand a man standing up to the lies of women.
            No princess women like you are the majority and women like rita down below are the minority or did you actually read what she wrote?.I am rather shocked to see a woman post something like that but shows there is a 1% left.But men surely are not going to sift through the needle in the haystack while going to prison for false accusations by women or set up via dv cases.Or sitting back and waiting for the woman to change her mind then take him to court to milk him. No you are gonna get the equal opportunity law via men especially when more and more awaken and get fed up.

            Runb4itstolate

            August 14, 2012 at 10:50 pm

  13. Also instead of popping out babies at age 20 and being a 1950′s house wife with one steady husband now girls are popping out babies between ages 12 and 18 and popping out more and more because she chooses to change men like dirty socks! Because they are such independent women! Easy to be so called independent when you are feeding off men still to this day with alimony and child support because you simply decide its wash day! It would be great one day to see how this whole independent feminist act will pan out when alimony and child support would be taken away huh? Or when men write you off as just a lost cause and have nothing to do with you..yes but of course you do not need a man that is why men like me are giving you just as you want! We will not give you a dime nor the time and energy in a relationship! We will give you exactly what you have been bred into thinking!

    Runb4itstolate

    August 14, 2012 at 10:56 am

    • I have never “fed off” of any man and don’t ever plan to. Just because a few bad apples are into treating men like dirt, doesn’t mean all women are. Some of us just want to live in a society where men and women treat each other with respect. I don’t see any respect towards women coming from you.

      As for child support, honestly if a man fathers a child, he should be 50% responsible for taking care of the child financially, so I don’t see anything wrong with that. Of course there are women who get pregnant on purpose just to have another income coming in, but that’s the minority. Why view all women in such a negative light just because of a few bad apples?

      Nicole

      August 14, 2012 at 7:23 pm

      • Again living in a disney land..few bad apples? hahahhahahah!! yes you are as smart as a pea in a pod.

        Runb4itstolate

        August 14, 2012 at 10:51 pm

        • Runb4itstolate:

          Insulting someone’s intelligence is a personal attack. Personal attacks are a logial fallacy. Personal attacks do not help your argument in any way.

          Here is a link so that you may educate yourself on what a personal attack is (ad hominem) and how to avoid them in the future.

          http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

          ~ Janelle Anderson

          nswahine

          August 15, 2012 at 4:26 am

          • Im already educated thank you and I am also educated in equality and free speech. That is what exactly I am doing here feminist!@I dont see you putting this crap under women on this site who has called names? Equality that is what I am giving nothing more noting less.

            Runb4itstolate

            August 15, 2012 at 7:02 am

        • I agree with Janelle. With your personal attack, you’re really only making yourself look unintelligent. If you had anything of value to say, you’d say it instead of resorting to petty attacks.

          Nicole

          August 15, 2012 at 6:19 am

          • Of course you would!

            Runb4itstolate

            August 15, 2012 at 7:03 am

            • Janelle isn’t even a feminist, you dumbasses. If you read any of her earlier posts on here, you’d see that she actually is in support of women staying home with their kids. All she’s doing is pointing out your poor debating skills and inability to intelligently argue, instead resorting to insults and name-calling because you have nothing of value to bring to the conversation. She’s actually done the same to women on this and other threads. I wouldn’t be surprised if she does it to me actually. I don’t like stooping to your level and talking like this, but sometimes you just have to fight fire with fire, and you two idiots deserve to be treated like the misogynistic, angry, childish idiots you are.

              No wonder you can’t get a woman – no self-respecting woman would want to be with you. Of course you have to go overseas to get laid – any woman who understands English would be turned off after listening to you talk for thirty seconds. Loser.

              Teresa

              August 18, 2012 at 3:32 pm

              • Actually all the women that come in here for the most part are feminists if you were not you would not be on here. So don’t give me that dribble..
                The only fight you women have on here it seems is the male grammar mistakes. Also hey Janelle wanna post your little attack comment under your feminist friend here yes I think not!?. Actually why don’t you post it almost under them all? Like I said men are sick of women’s crap and it is about time for the equal roads to be built so in that case shut your fem ass up! Oh my god a man told a woman to shut up oh no!!!!!whoa is me!!!
                Yes men will talk as they would like just as women!.. and men will tell women how it is as women tell men every day.
                I guess you will just have to get your fem friends to get the gas chambers open for the men that are not the little puppies you want them to be.
                As I keep saying you wanted equal the men in how they talk here are giving you such!

                Runb4itstolate

                August 18, 2012 at 3:50 pm

                • Nah you’re not giving anyone equality by talking like that, all you’re doing is showing how little you have to offer intellectually.

                  “The only fight you women have on here it seems is the male grammar mistakes. ”
                  ***************
                  LMAO you’re joking right? Generally speaking, on this site the women actually support their arguments, while some men (not all, but definitely you and your pal who’ve been posting the past few days) have as their “only fight” name calling and abusive language. You are incapable of forming an intelligent rebuttal, so all you can think of is to throw out words like “mangina.”

                  I don’t care about you telling me to shut up. I won’t listen because you’re not worth listening to, but I don’t mind you saying it. I’m not going to tell you to shut up, because I’m enjoying watching you make an ass of yourself.

                  It’s funny how you refer to anyone’s posts that disagree with you as “dribble.” Newsflash – dribble is actually incoherent language like yours is sometimes, and gamerp4′s is all the time. I think it makes sense to call it dribble, because personally, when I picture either one of you, I picture a drooling retard who never made it past the 6th grade. So “dribble” is accurate. You can’t call someone’s posts “dribble” simply because they’re disagreeing with you – all that does is make you look even stupider than you already have.

                  LMAO at your constant whining about men being persecuted and oppressed. I don’t think any woman on this site wants men in gas chambers. They only commented on your hateful language and stupidity. I didn’t see any of them treating you like that – they were just debating intelligently for the most part without resorting to base insults. I’m talking shit to you, but you apparently you can’t handle it. You’re just whining for attention like a little boy. “I didn’t do well in school so I’m gonna blame it on feminism rather than accept that I was just stupid WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH” What a load of shit.

                  Teresa

                  August 18, 2012 at 4:16 pm

                  • Oh yeah, and I’m not talking shit to you because you’re a man and I think you should be kept down, I’m doing it because you’re a douchebag, and douchebags male or female need to be put in their place. Generally no matter what a person’s gender is, I try to treat them the way they deserve.

                    Teresa

                    August 18, 2012 at 4:23 pm

                    • Insulting someone’s intelligence is a personal attack. Personal attacks are a logial fallacy. Personal attacks do not help your argument in any way.

                      Here is a link so that you may educate yourself on what a personal attack is (ad hominem) and how to
                      avoid them in the future.

                      http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ hahahahahahahahah dam feminist I still see nothing…

                      Runb4itstolate

                      August 18, 2012 at 4:32 pm

                    • Also by the way I am not the typical mangina that you women have created so many men to be. So umm no good luck with putting me in my place.
                      Once again if a woman wants to act like a man she should get exactly everything that goes with it and all of its glory! If she wants to act like a man she should be treated as such in every way shape and form………

                      Runb4itstolate

                      August 18, 2012 at 4:37 pm

                    • Some more Insults :D and Personal attacks, YOU GAVE US 3 COMMENTS and not even one is filled with intellectualism and shows your intelligence instead you are just garbling like a cow and spitting insults, personal attacks and ad hominem attacks.

                      “Generally no matter what a person’s gender is, I try to treat them the way they deserve.”

                      Generally we are doing that work for you but instead YOU ARE HERE INSULTING US, read what we have to say next time DONT JUST SAY THAT OUR RESPONSES ARE DRIBBLES :D because that is just a ad hominem attack nothing else, because you cannot counter argument with MEN over here doesn’t mean that you have the right to call the response as a DRIBBLE, because you obviously have no “SOUND” argument instead you just go for insults, rubbish talking, garbage throwing, personal attacks on MEN over here, NOT TO WOMEN :D thank you for clarifying your position once more. Next time i will call you OFFICER TERESA if a women tries to be a DOUCHEBAG :D because OFFICER JANELLE is not doing her work correctly (WE HAVE A MESS OF PERSONAL ATTACKS OVER HERE OFFICER JANELLE and your not here to clean it up just because it is from a women)

                      Gamerp4

                      August 19, 2012 at 1:59 am

                  • Ok tell me what women here have said that proves anything but what the men have said about women here to be true??hahahahh!! to funny.. All you women do is reverse on the men with no proof at all whatsoever..nothing at all, notta, zilch…at least come up with something other then what mommy taught you during the bra burning..

                    Runb4itstolate

                    August 18, 2012 at 4:28 pm

                    • Hmm nothing eh? that is because “almost” every woman that posts here only backs exactly what the guys are saying here about women! Every time a woman posts with her entitlement egotistical self serving I can do no wrong crap just creates more ammo for the men to realize what is really going on here.
                      As far as language if a woman can put down a man even sarcastically and in other places on this site with names then really no reason why a man just can’t be blunt as a man and call it as he sees it.

                      Like I said before its a two lane highway slowly forming from the swamps women have created.
                      In time you will live in the world you also created and wished upon where men in general will have nothing to do with you and no longer will open a door for you since your such an independent princess. Surely we will treat you as feminism has made you and that’s just simply a loose easy piece of meat that is entitled to being that and then thrown away as you have done so nicely to men for such a long time now.
                      We may not have some of the laws on our side like you but one day we won’t need to:)

                      Runb4itstolate

                      August 18, 2012 at 5:31 pm

                    • “Hmm nothing eh? that is because “almost” every woman that posts here only backs exactly what the guys are saying here about women!”
                      ***********************
                      Actually no, not nothing. It’s just that I have a social life and wasn’t able to reply to your post in an hour. I know this is a foreign concept to you, who was sitting at home alone on a Saturday night without a girlfriend or even friends, just waiting for me to reply to you. How sad for you.

                      Most of the women who have posted here have simply said they have a right to pursue a career and motherhood if they wanted to. They said nothing about emasculating or abusing men – that’s just what you’re choosing to draw from it because of your pathetic agenda of proving the world is out to get men.

                      You whine about how all you’re doing is treating women like equals by being so nasty, but then you can’t even take it when it’s thrown back at you. You are the ones who STARTED with the name-calling, etc., and you can’t even deal with it when it comes back in your direction, accusing the women who do it of hating and oppressing men. If you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen!

                      There is some truth to your long argument about how men are treated like second class citizens where children are involved, but like I said you lose all credibility when you blame things like higher suicide rates among men and boys struggling in school on feminism. I will ask again, do you have ANY evidence to support these assertions? If you do, cite your sources and maybe you won’t look like you’re so full of crap.

                      As far as suicide goes: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/11/981112075159.htm

                      It boils down to cognitive differences between men and women, not the fact that men are oppressed.

                      From the article (on why a woman is less likely to commit suicide): “She’ll consider not just her feelings but also the feelings of others — her family, the children, even acquaintances, and how those people will be affected by a decision like suicide,” Murphy says. “A man is much less likely to take those things into account. He makes his decision, and it’s about him, so he doesn’t feel the need to share it with anyone else.”

                      And the Dr. Murphy who is saying these things is a MAN, before you say it’s just some feminist doctor who hates men.

                      There is also research that shows that boys not doing as well in school boils down to cognitive and behavioral differences as well, rather than them feeling like they’re going to be oppressed when they grow up so there’s no point in studying. *eyeroll*

                      I’m sure this post is going to get thumbed down and get vitriolic replies, just because I disagree with you and don’t subscribe to the whole “woe is me being a man” theory. Never mind that I actually provided some support for what I was saying, which you have yet to do.

                      Teresa

                      August 19, 2012 at 11:15 am

                    • Also, I wanted to comment on your view in that long post about how late marriage has contributed to women sleeping around. Maybe this has been the overall effect, but not for all women. And what about men? Is it okay for men to sleep around but not women? You give an example of a 21 year old girl married to a 31 year old man. Was he a virgin when they met? Or has he sowed plenty of wild oats and finally got married to some 20 year old virgin?

                      There is nothing wrong with marrying at a later age when a woman is more mature, which is one of my main problems with the main article on this page. Marrying at 22 or younger is usually not a good idea for a male or female in this era. Statistics show that marriages that happen under age 25 are more likely to split up because the two people are often not mature enough to stick it out in the long haul. Life experiences after school, and experiencing independence, have value and make a person more ready for a lasting marriage, and this does not necessarily mean more sexual partners. Marrying later generally makes it more likely that the two people know what they want in a partner and this will not change later on, meaning the marriage will last. And marrying at a younger age doesn’t mean the woman is less of a slut. Some of the biggest sluts I know got married right out of college.

                      You deride sluts, but it seems that many men want sluts and won’t go near a woman who is saving herself. One of my good friends is a 28 year old virgin saving herself for marriage. And many guys are interested at first and then want nothing to do with her when they find out she’s a virgin. It seems that guys actually want sluts, because then they’ll likely get to have sex soon in the relationship. So which is it? I’m not trying to instigate anything here, it’s an honest question.

                      Teresa

                      August 19, 2012 at 3:50 pm

                  • “Nah you’re not giving anyone equality by talking like that, all you’re doing is showing how little you have to offer intellectually.”

                    Actually we are giving you equality BECAUSE YOU KNOW we are all Buffoons and we talk to each other like that and if a woman comes in we shouldn’t be forced to change our behavior NO! No! NO! we are all equal and MEN AND WOMEN are the same so why the hell a MEN has to change his views to accept a “Intelligent” women in the discussion, if you cannot take insult YOU SHOULD RUN BACK TO THE KITCHEN STOVE THEN because we MEN insult each other very often YAH WE ARE THAT MUCH APE LIKE :D you already said we have zero debating skills and we even can’t write english JUST TO TURN YOU ON.

                    ““The only fight you women have on here it seems is the male grammar mistakes. ”
                    ***************
                    LMAO you’re joking right? Generally speaking, on this site the women actually support their arguments, while some men (not all, but definitely you and your pal who’ve been posting the past few days) have as their “only fight” name calling and abusive language. You are incapable of forming an intelligent rebuttal, so all you can think of is to throw out words like “mangina.””

                    Tell me what we have been doing? Have you read what we have wrote in all these threads, Have you read my fight with marianna, have you read my response to JANELLE (Ask her why she didn’t responded to my last reply :D if she is such intellectual and intelligent then why the hell she post the same comment over and over again) You haven’t read SHIT and your here telling us how Unintelligent and Not debatable we are that BAD then why do you care to come over here to spill your so called intellectualism to all over us, DID YOU HAD ANY INTELLIGENT DISCUSSION no instead you are the one name calling here, calling us idiots, assholes, loser, unintelligent and what not and HERE YOU’R trying to sell us that how we are not intelligent, WELL IF YOUR SO INTELLIGENT I AM GOING TO ASK YOU ONE QUESTION which i asked every women here, TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT MALE DOMINANCE, AND WOMEN OPPRESSION? Tell me WHEN WERE THE WOMEN got the RIGHT TO VOTE, TO OWN PROPERTY, and TO GET EDUCATION, TELL ME WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT SUSAN B ANTHONY, TELL ME WHAT IS FEMINIST MOVEMENT ALL ABOUT, TELL ME WHAT IS THE SOCALLED DEFINITION OF EQUALITY, TELL ME WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT THE LAWS AND JUDICIAL SYSTEM TODAY IN AMERICAN. and one more thing MANGINA is not directed to women (You ass) it is directed to MEN who has a penis but wants to join the VAGINA CLUB.

                    ” don’t care about you telling me to shut up. I won’t listen because you’re not worth listening to, but I don’t mind you saying it. I’m not going to tell you to shut up, because I’m enjoying watching you make an ass of yourself.”

                    Actually there is not a MUTE button in my computer or else i wouldn’t have told you to SHUT UP (I can do this with my TV where some women jackass starts nagging but on computer BOY ITS HARD TO SHUT UP A NAGGING WOMEN :D ) but ya ENJOY some more because obviously your not going to answer to my DRIBBLE just like all those women (NAMELY NICOLE, JANELLE, MARIANNA and NOW WE HAVE TERRESA who is not going to answer to any of my question BUT STILL WILL DRUMBEAT HOW INTELLECTUAL AND INTELLIGENT SHE AND OTHER WOMEN ARE, Infact i believe that we MEN should leave these women to themselve Because OBVIOUSLY the feminist quote “Women need Men Like Fish Needs Bicycle” is true so KEEP BARKING BITCH but we are also neglecting your responses :D but we are here to teach YOUNG LADS never to engage himself with a WESTERN WOMEN :D We will meet you on the shore of Asia).

                    “t’s funny how you refer to anyone’s posts that disagree with you as “dribble.” Newsflash – dribble is actually incoherent language like yours is sometimes, and gamerp4′s is all the time. I think it makes sense to call it dribble, because personally, when I picture either one of you, I picture a drooling retard who never made it past the 6th grade. So “dribble” is accurate. You can’t call someone’s posts “dribble” simply because they’re disagreeing with you – all that does is make you look even stupider than you already have.”

                    Actually YES ITS FUNNY :D isnt it but its not US who is calling their post as dribble but WOMEN LIKE JANELLE, MARIANA and NICOLE who have called our responses and comments as dribble (Just ask NICOLE SHE CALLED MY LONG COMMENT as a dribble which she wont even READ :D isnt that funny), Thank you once again for telling me HOW MUCH DRIBBLE i post here but AS I SAID i am here for the YOUNG BUDS and LADS :D not for OLD SPINISTER CHILDLESS, HUSBANDLESS HAGS like yourself’s, I care only for the MEN that is why I SAY THAT I AM A MEN’S RIGHTS ACTIVISTS and Truly speaking i DONT despise FEMINISM I love them :D but i surely despise CONSERVATIVE and STAY AT HOME MOM WOMEN because they are the biggest hypocrites then the feminist, feminist will be truthful about their intentions but those other women well they are snakes who will bite when the time is right.

                    NEXT TIME do read what men has to say here (Including ME GAMERP4) because we are all here to learn :D arn’t you if you resort to name calling and shaming language then YOU”R NOT BETTER THEN ME and ALL THOSE MEN oVER HERE WHO resort to name calling and personal attacking because YOU DID THE SAME THING TO ME and RUNb4ITSTOLATE , SO YA be an intelligent and intellectual woman as you claim yourself to be, because after reading your “DRIBBLE” i can see how the MEN and GUYS OVER HERE ARE FEELING about you :D .

                    ” I didn’t see any of them treating you like that – they were just debating intelligently for the most part without resorting to base insults. I’m talking shit to you, but you apparently you can’t handle it. You’re just whining for attention like a little boy. “I didn’t do well in school so I’m gonna blame it on feminism rather than accept that I was just stupid WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH” What a load of shit.”

                    ARE YOU A WOMAN or A MAN because if you are talking shit to us then what makes you intelligent and intellectual OBVIOUSLY your from the same place we all are, but still YOU ARE THROWING so many shaming languages and abusive ones too and also personal attacking people that i dont see any INTELLECTUAL and INTELLIGENT ARGUMENT from you, instead I SEE AN ANGRY WOMAN who is trying to prove something but she is only insulting people with her bad english literature and bad use of words, NOT ONLY you can’t insult people but your choice of words are also unintelligent and uninterested :D i wont be shamed when a women calls me “attention seeking little boy” nor i would be shaming by your insults (YOUR WHOLE ARGUMENT IS FILLED WITH INSULTS NOT ONE SANE ARGUMENT :D JANELLE WILL AGREE WITH ME, IF NOT SHE IS JUST A BIGOT LIKE YOU).

                    And your last sentence where you say “I didn’t do well in school so I’m gonna blame it on feminism rather than accept that I was just stupid WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH” What a load of shit.” just tell us what you truly are :D ya we men blame our failings on feminism (SORRY), Thanks for telling us that, and thanks for one last insult to our intelligence, JANELLE your call or you will ignore this DRIBBLE because its from a woman, Oh well i am going to response to it anyway actually IF YOUR NOT A FEMINIST then why would you be butthurt over men who blame feminism for their failures (ACTUALLY THEY ARE RIGHT BUT YOU WOMEN ARE SO STUPID that you cannot calculate that :D sorry but you are stupid).

                    My last request to TERRESA if you so intelligent and so intellectual NEXT TIME post a comment with LESS insults, LESS personal attacks, LESS shaming Language, LESS name calling and more tough and hard arguments for us to counter you and ONE LAST THING do answer my question which i asked you above.

                    TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT MALE DOMINANCE, AND WOMEN OPPRESSION?

                    Tell me WHEN WERE THE WOMEN got the RIGHT TO VOTE, TO OWN PROPERTY, and TO GET EDUCATION?

                    TELL ME WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT SUSAN B ANTHONY?

                    TELL ME WHAT IS FEMINIST MOVEMENT ALL ABOUT?

                    TELL ME WHAT IS THE SOCALLED DEFINITION OF EQUALITY?

                    TELL ME WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT THE LAWS AND JUDICIAL SYSTEM TODAY IN AMERICAN?

                    Chao, and Thanks

                    Gamerp4

                    August 19, 2012 at 1:47 am

                  • Where in this is anything of logic princess? Why don’t you reread what you have written? IT IS NOTHING BUT DRIBBLE “I like that word”. The same old feminist twisting of words and reversing it on men.(LMAO you’re joking right? Generally speaking, on this site the women actually support their arguments, while some men (not all, but
                    definitely you and your pal who’ve been posting the past few days) have as their “only fight” name calling and abusive language. You are incapable of forming an intelligent rebuttal, so all you can think of is to throw out words like “mangina.”)
                    Women support their arguments? where? Where is any logic written from one single woman against what the men have written here? Where is any statistics from women here? where is any solid based facts of history to back what these fem whores have to say here?Where is any intelligent rebuttal towards my lengthy post that actually has some intelligence behind it without any bad language or some of my other posts to?
                    Nope instead you want to hit men with stupid little grammar errors or try to talk down on the mans education. Like I said that is the only attack or fight you can pursue here because otherwise you simply have NOTHING!( I’m talking shit to you, but you apparently you can’t handle it. You’re just whining for attention like a little boy. “I didn’t do well in school so I’m gonna blame it on feminism rather than accept that I was
                    just stupid WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH” What a load of shit.)
                    I can’t handle it?where do you see that I cannot handle it? Your just a rambling little piece of chewed up steak to me and really who’s the one really whining here with nothing to back up her statements except with more statements of nothingness?

                    Actually yes school was tough for me princess but guess what I got through it without screwing my teacher or having orgies like 64% of women do now simply because they are what they eat! Now I build computers and servers and yes write my stupid little novels as you said.
                    In reality the only people trying to get the attention here is the women coming on here speaking pointless DRIBBLE trying to shoot down the men that are simply talking amongst each other and leaving posts about what is going on around them in the REAL WORLD not cinderella land.
                    then you have the women sitting back and watching this site trying to figure out how to twist all what the men say here for their next women’s rights class that started on nothing but lies in the first place which I have already shown proof of and yet to see anything logical posted against it!
                    So yes I have to say to you wahhhhhhhhhhhhh what a load of shit!

                    Runb4itstolate

                    August 19, 2012 at 7:12 am

              • Ok i am Back :D

                “Janelle isn’t even a feminist, you dumbasses. If you read any of her earlier posts on here, you’d see that she actually is in support of women staying home with their kids.”

                Well this post’s name is FEMINISM’S TERRIBLE BLUNDER (Yep you and janelle are not feminist I GET IT :D ), You do know we MEN hate feminist and Conservative (We also hate Stay at home moms :D ), not because they are women (Dont assume that you sick creature, we are not like that) but because they all have one thing in common Yah Guess What they all have the law, media, judicial system and state institution’s backing to destroy a Man life, his assets, his family and his wellbeing. It doesn’t matter she is not a feminist but I sure know how she like to put down MEN on this site and call all these men in MRM and in these site MISOGYNIST and WOMEN HATER (Dont believe me ask Janelle what she thinks of MEN here and on Men’s Rights SIte), for her Men’s Rights mean hating women because obviously MEN CAN”T HAVE RIGHTS because YAH GUESS THEY ARE FUCKING “Privileged” according to feminist and women alike :D guess i still dont know what privilege i have (I can’t even have an opinion on not marrying and i get smacked down by women for writing an essay about not marrying and telling Men not to marry any western women and in just 24 hours women claim that all these men are lazy bastards, women haters, misogynist)

                CAN I ASK YOU WOMEN ONE DAMN QUESTION, if you are so confidence about yourself and you call yourself NOT A FEMINIST, PERIOD, why the fuck you care about the MEN here and waste your time commenting on these sites (These sites are created for Male’s only and they are here to advice male not to make the mistake which will cost them high but yah YOU SURE HAVE TO COME HERE TO INSULT THESE MEN dont you, HOW INTELLECTUAL AND INTELLIGENT YOU ARE).

                “All she’s doing is pointing out your poor debating skills and inability to intelligently argue, instead resorting to insults and name-calling because you have nothing of value to bring to the conversation. She’s actually done the same to women on this and other threads. I wouldn’t be surprised if she does it to me actually. I don’t like stooping to your level and talking like this, but sometimes you just have to fight fire with fire, and you two idiots deserve to be treated like the misogynistic, angry, childish idiots you are.”

                YAH we got teacher and mothers here guys :D they can’t live without nagging over us BUFFOONS, they nag on us in real life of not DOING THE RIGHT THING, they nag on us in the MEDIA FOR BEING THE INTELLECTUAL ASS, and here we have OUR INTELLIGENT WOMEN (Actually call them ROCKET SCIENTIST WOMEN) who are here to point out to us how poor our debating skills and how we are not able to intelligently argue :D THANKS OH LORD for creating women who can show us the RIGHT WAY because we MEN all are jackasses and we cannot do anything for ourself, SARCASM ASIDE can you atleast tell Janelle that why she didn’t responded to my earlier comment i made on the Heading of Don’t Marry where i posted her some challenges, and can you tell NICOLE to answer the questions of RUNB4ITSTOLATE where he posted some FACTS about feminist dogma and WOMEN OPPRESSION (You do know NICOLE IS A FEMINIST RIGHT TERESA :D ),

                I have not seen her do this to any women in the thread EVEN NOT TO YOU when you are yourself name calling here :D (LOOK likes JANELLE should step up and tell TERESA that she is personal attacking and she has some poor debating skills and cant argue intelligently and has resort to name calling WHEN SHE CALLS us TWO IDIOTS, who deserve to treated like misogynisitc, angy, childish idiots :D how intellectual call the MEN here IDIOTS 2 times :D ) SO JANELLE i am waiting for you to post to her how she is personal attacking people here :D can you please do it so that she knows that she is not going to get A+ in intellectual class if she resorts to name calling and shaming language. AND ONE MORE THING TERESA WE ARE ALSO FIGHTING FIRE WITH FIRE :D because obviously YOU DONT SEE women=wrong, Men=good.

                “No wonder you can’t get a woman – no self-respecting woman would want to be with you. Of course you have to go overseas to get laid – any woman who understands English would be turned off after listening to you talk for thirty seconds. Loser.”

                RED ALERT, RED ALERT, shaming language is being used and THIS WOMAN is personal attacking the MAN here WE NEED JANELLE to tell her that SHE CAN’T DO THIS, JANELLE WE NEED YOU OVER HERE IN AISLE 5, Terresa You think ANY MEN NEEDS YOU? if you were so desired you wouldn’t be here right? Ouch I AM SO HURT that no self-respecting (Feminist) woman would want me :D that hurts i really wanted to be with a intellectual, debatable, intelligent woman who could excel my debating skills, teach me how to intelligently argue (Although i know i am educated but still i NEED WOMEN GUIDANCE HELP! TERESA, JANELLE AND NICOLE and all those western women dont want to be with me :D ), Well you do know that MEN GOING OVERSEAS will decrease your chance of EVER getting laid rights :D well if your a LESBIAN then thats not a problem for you, MEN YOU GOT THE PERMISSION you can go overseas BUT YA NOT FOR GETTING LAID marry a foreign women she would be 100x greater and more intelligent than TERESA, JANELLE or NICOLE.

                MUHAHAHAHAHA, MEN NEXT TIME WRITE GIBBERISH :D so that these WOMEN wont get turned off (Because you know they are all masturbating and getting wet when they read your english but only when it reaches to the intellectual level like theirs) TSK TSK have some shame TERESA i would never turn on a feminist only by my ENGLISH language skills :D but YOU.

                LOSER :D ya thanks for one more personal attacks WHERE OFFICER JANELLE we have a personal attack over here.

                Gamerp4

                August 19, 2012 at 1:14 am

              • By the Way princess If you actually look back to some of your first posts you were using shaming tactics against men along with name calling! If you would like to read a list of shaming tactics women use, the list is at the bottom of the page.
                As I see it I myself nor anyone has tried to manipulate any women here or twist anyones point of view here by using such shaming tactics as women do. So in that yes men surely have a reason to be blunt with you and show the same equality you have. Also in this post you have used these shaming tactics several times alone all in one small paragraph. Can you play the game of finding the tactics? Or is it that you already know them as so many women do?
                You women have no fight here and if some men call names so be it! If you look through this whole entire site anyone can see it in almost all the women’s posts and surely does not take a rocket scientist to see it!

                runb4itstolate

                August 20, 2012 at 10:34 am

  14. I actually tripped on this blog looking for information for my son that has has bad luck with women. Actually I am one woman who will agree with this blog in general. I was raised in a very traditional home in Kentucky with God fearing parents. I tried the whole independent thing along with getting a job when I got married moved to the east coast and what I found was astonishing.
    I had women in the work place actually trying to convince me to cheat on my husband telling me not to even go home some nights for a girls night out in a motel with a few men mind you these women were married also.All I ever heard was women putting down men calling them names laughing that they did another guy with a bigger penis then there husbands. When these women saw I would not stand by for this or join in I was put down a lot ridiculed and plain harassed.
    I sat down and told my husband that I missed the mountains of Kentucky that despite my degree this modern life was not for me. We decided to move back years ago and have been happy ever since as I am back being a house wife.
    My son is grown up now and he has many horror stories of the dating world sometimes he asks mom why can’t I find a relationship like you and dad have? What he sees in college is even more disgusting and says he would never date any woman from school. Being I am a house wife and my son is grown up my husband works and I do functions for the church along with baking and jarring goods to make extra money.By no means are we rich we actually barely get by but I love my husband because I know he tries I do not love him because he is rich,or what kind of car he drives or the package he has in his pants as I hear most women say that those are important things.But I love him because of who he is and the fact he shows he loves me every day by even just a simple grin starring in my eyes.
    Today’s women in society lost there moral fabric they no longer hold any type of value system.As I look around me more and more worse it becomes. Most of all I feel bad for my son who has to live in this generation.
    Some of you women in how you talk to men should be ashamed of yourselves. I never talk down to my husband and because I am respectful to him he is to me it is that easy.He knows what I do all the time as I do him which makes it that we have never argued about a thing not even once.
    Now I know what I say may make some women mad but that is to bad what you have gone through you have brought on yourselves I just wish the women of this generation would actually see that.thank you for reading and may God bless you all.

    Rita

    August 14, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    • Why would what you say make anyone mad? I think it’s great to be in a respectful relationship. I don’t understand where all these ideas came from that feminists disrespect men and want to drain them of money, dignity, etc. Maybe a few extremists do, but feminism at its core, before these extremists/feminazis corrupted the meaning of it, was simply about equality.

      The women you described who were trying to get you to cheat on your husband were not feminists, they were simply women of loose morals.

      Cheating, lying, draining men of money through alimony, etc., has nothing to do with feminism. And it’s a shame that men now think that any woman who simply wants equality wants all those things as well. Some of us just want the same respect that men have traditionally always been given, and the same freedom to pursue our dreams just as they do. It has nothing whatsoever to do with being disrespectful towards men.

      Maybe the problem is not with one gender or another, but with the human race in general – people are just incapable of making positive progress and have to twist things that are intended to be good into something completely different. It’s a shame that a simple desire for equality between the sexes has led to something completely corrupted.

      But most reasonable women only want equality – that’s it. We want to live in a world where men and women treat one another as equals with respect.

      And honestly, I find it pretty disturbing that you comment on how women talk down to men on this site but say nothing about the hateful venom spewing from the men, as if it is completely okay for men to bash women but the moment a woman speaks up, she’s evil.

      Nicole

      August 14, 2012 at 7:15 pm

      • Actually I do agree with what Rita wrote I think more women should learn from it,,the first post from a woman I actually agree with…But I do not agree with you what you do not realize is the whole feminist equal rights was a line of crap.To bring fourth the lying,cheating whores you have now. You may not consider yourself one but you do not need to wear the badge to be one.In what you say you are brainwashed in the fem ways.However yes you are right in one simple desire it has led to another thing and that is women do not want equality anymore but to rule.If you think I am speaking out of my buttocks on this I will be happy to give you statistics on how this is being performed from laws against men among other things though a few men have already posted these on here somewhere. Women where never oppressed to begin with a lie created to bring fourth the monarchy you have now. By the twisting of feminism you have offset the chain of a specie destroying it at its root.It has actually come out this was feminism’s main goal to eradicate men in general.Not that in the beginning women who fell sucker to this all actually knew that at all but followed like cattle being led to the slaughter the demise and downfall of society. the corruption of feminism will be societies downfall it has already begun even in other countries.All I can say is enjoy what you have made for yourselves because it will come with a cost…

        Runb4itstolate

        August 14, 2012 at 8:02 pm

        • “Women where never oppressed to begin with a lie created to bring fourth the monarchy you have now.”

          Are you serious? Do you not remember that at one time, women didn’t even have the right to vote? Or that even to this day, women’s salaries average about 75% of men’s for doing the exact same job?

          Lying, cheating whores has nothing to do with feminism. Men and women both lie and cheat. Honestly, I hope you don’t go around talking about how men are oppressed in society because a lot of people would just laugh at you. Just for being a man, you automatically get a level of respect that most women can’t even imagine – no one questions you for not wanting to change your name when you get married, no one has the nerve to tell you you should be staying at home with your children in lieu of having a career. And what do you do? You completely take this respect for granted and whine about how men have it so terrible. Even if some women abuse feminism, it hasn’t gotten women the same level of respect that you get as a man without even lifting a finger. Get over it.

          Nicole

          August 15, 2012 at 6:38 am

          • (It is quite hard to state “what feminist believe” because there is no overarching definition of what a particular feminist may believe, one thing that seems to be a basic belief of feminist seems to be the idea that women are oppressed. In my mind the key to debunking feminism and validating men’s rights activism is to overthrow this particular idea.

            Now what is oppression? This is the key of the matter, it is important to make a distinction between personal choice and governmental and institutional coercion in this matter. The best place to start is with the dictionary [1].

            op•pres•sion [uh-presh-uhn] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation – noun
            1. the exercise of authority or power in a burdensome, cruel, or unjust manner.
            2. an act or instance of oppressing.
            3. the state of being oppressed.
            4. the feeling of being heavily burdened, mentally or physically, by troubles, adverse conditions, anxiety, etc.

            The first definition is the most applicable here. If the fourth definition is used then any situation “where a person is not happy could be called oppression”. It is fair to say that when people talk about “being oppressed” then there is an oppressing force, usually a government behind it. Feminist talk about oppression from the patriarchy or men. I was tempted when writing this article to consider only oppression by law by the government which shall be addressed alongside oppression by the exercise of authority in a cruel, burdensome and unjust manner.

            I will start with the most narrowly defined version of oppression. Oppression by law. For women to meet this category there has to be a law that grants men more rights then they have. If you ever have a conversation with a feminist I want you to play this game with them, ask in which way women are oppressed by law. I have played this game myself and the results do little to convince.

            On one occasion it was mentioned that the poorest class in America is the single mother. But these people have come to their situation from their own personal choices, the government does not force one to become a single mother therefore it does not meet the category of government oppression. Another thing that was mentioned was that some women who have children have not managed to make enough money to qualify for a full state pension, Oppression?! This is actually an example of equality the only discrimination practised here is that you have enough money, not got enough then you cannot get it, got enough then you get it.

            But no! Here come the feminists, “equitable has a different meaning apparently”, from quality of opportunity to equality of outcome. People like this would have women granted a pension automatically without paying a dime.

            Whenever I point these things out or even ask how women are oppressed in the first place then the feminist I am arguing with goes strangely silent, interesting that..” Over time it seems to me that the feminists have little of anything to list as a genuine oppression”. And remember that we are talking about oppression for now in its most narrow form, if feminist have nothing here then they have nothing full stop. So, do men’s rights activists have anything here? Oh boy do we…

            First unlike the example above this pension tale is genuine oppression. Men in the UK have to work until 65 to qualify for a full pension, women have to work until 60 and generally make less and have more paternity leave. Laws that impose different standards on us based on our sex. Sounds like oppression to me.

            How about the fact that discrimination against men is governmentally mandated. Forget about the companies and the universities. The most solid example of this is the new leader of the conservative party in the UK and US proposed quotas to get the shortlist of political candidates to be half women [2]. Where you see quotas read discrimination.

            How about the right to reproductive control. When a woman becomes pregnant then she can abort, give up for adoption and in America shortly after the birth she can abandon the baby and resolve herself of parentage of that baby, this is called safe haven abandonment. When a man gets a woman pregnant then he is screwed, his entire life now becomes a script that the woman will write. If he wants the baby and she doesn’t tough for him, if he doesn’t want the baby and she does then tough for him also.

            How about the right to equal protection? Our fascist police state will oppressively arrest a man for a woman’s violence because only men can abuse. A message that is spread by our system and our politicians.

            How about the denial of parentage for men? When a split happens the man is treated as sub-human, completely controlled by the government who tell him when he can see his children and when he can’t like he is some sort of criminal.

            How about divorce? Where a woman is entitled to her husbands assets and men are made to pay out large sums of money to their wives from businesses that they made succeed. A recent case involved a large payout and continual payouts every year for the rest of the woman’s life!

            A man is more likely to be convicted and convicted for longer periods of time than a woman for a similar crime, like murder. We need only look at the attitudes surrounding the Clara Harris case and we see the sympathy that is poured on a woman murderer.

            Health spending, for every £1 spend on men’s health care, £8 is spent on women’s health care [3]. Government and charity spending for breast cancer is 37 millions, it’s 10 million for prostate cancer, both diseases kill as many. So the government is spending more to protect a certain segment of the population, how about that?

            Oh, by the way. I have been criticised before about not including sources for the things I say.

            This is only discussing laws and government action that oppress. What about a broader definition of oppression that includes the exercise of authority in a cruel or unjust manner. We as a society should abandon the feminist hegemony and adopt men’s rights activism as a tool to reach true equality in law.) Were women ever oppressed? NO! I guarantee you if you could build a time machine and go back 60 years to 1951, about 20 years before the feminist movement was in full swing, and you could ask the average 21 year old woman if she felt oppressed, she probably would say “what the hell are you talking about? Im happily married!” Thats right, happily married to her 31 year old husband (yeah I know, she only thinks she’s happily married because he’s manipulating her into thinking that just by virtue of being older than her, probably because he can’t get a woman his “own age”…./sarcasm).

            Now fast forward to 2011 and ask her 21 year old granddaughter/great granddaughter who’s a women’s studies major at the local university is she oppressed. Of course she’ll tell you that the evil patriarchy is holding and that you’re somehow raping her or supporting rape or something equally as goofy by even asking her is she oppressed.

            (Women were never oppressed in the US and everyone knows it. In 1912 (during the prime time of so-called oppression for american women) when the Titanic was sinking and there wasn’t enough life boats to go around, I recall reading that women and children got first priority on the lifeboats, and then, if there were any left, men could get on. Otherwise, the men had to just sink to their deaths in a cold, watery grave and have their corpses eaten by various sea creatures. Woo hoo!! Male privelege!)

            Women force men to work full-time by only marrying men who are providers, thereby limiting the choices of men.
            Women structurally oppress men by claiming the closest connection to the children.
            Women expect men to protect them physically, thereby subordinating the men (men’s lives are less worth).
            Women do not mind that their husbands have dangerous jobs while they are safe at home, caring for the children. This matriarchal power structure keeps men away from a loving environment, and keeps the ruling class (women) out of harms way.
            The power of the sisterhood represses any inquiry into why men live significantly shorter lives than women. The only acceptable explanation is biological differences, which in all other gender scenarios is a prohibited explanation according to the sisterhood.
            Breast cancer gets more funding than any other cancer, which removes resources from prostate cancer research.
            Men commit suicide far more often than women, which is yet another sign of men facing matriarchal structures that keep men trapped in impossible life conditions, and ultimately the only way out may be to take your own life.
            Women demand that men act tough and repress their emotions at all times, which is why men do not dare report domestic violence.
            70 to 80 percent of the homeless are men, since our matriarchal society is reluctant to help a man who doesn’t perform, while women (as the ruling class) always have their intrinsic value intact.
            Men are always given the task of defending the country against aggressors, since the ruling class must be kept safe at all times.
            Women are not held responsible for the crimes the same way men are and receive shorter jail sentences. The matriarchy knows that men must be punished properly to stay subordinated, while women are always considered to be basically good and therefore less in need of punishment.
            Cutting off genital tissue from boys is condoned by society, in order to teach men from the start that they are expendable, and inferior to women. Developing countries who cut off genital tissue from girls are judged harshly.
            Boys do worse than girls in school since they feel tremendously unsafe and confused once they realize what the constricted and dangerous male gender role demands of them in the future.

            (Women’s voting)( It irritates the tar out of me to hear feminists say that women were “oppressed” by not having the right to vote in olden days. Excuse me. . . oppressed? I must take exception to the semantics here, for is not plain to me that what was happening ought to be called by such a heinous name.

            I am aware that some people might think it was a bad thing that women couldn’t vote. And I am aware that other people might think it was a good thing.

            Well as you might expect, I am a third way thinker upon this subject. I would submit that women’s historical lack of voting rights was neither a good thing nor a bad thing. Rather, it was a morally indifferent state of affairs, based on a cultural consensus that was shared by men and women alike in the past.

            Our ancestors lived in a very, very different world than we do, and their cultural norms were very, very different from ours, yet undoubtedly befitting to their world — a world mysterious and unknown to us nowadays. Who are we to judge?

            So was it really, inherently, such a horrible thing after all, that women could not vote? And WHY was it inherently horrible? Why should it even matter? Did the average woman in those days honestly feel that voting was “all that”? Seriously. . . who are we new-fangled ones to judge the men and women of past times for their very different way of life, with its very different demands and pressure that we can no longer entirely fathom?

            And needless to say, we all know that most men could not vote during most of those same years in which women could not vote, and that there was only a trivial time lag between full manhood suffrage and full womanhood suffrage.

            Something else that nobody to my knowledge has pointed out, is that electoral politics as we nowadays know it is a very recent historical innovation. It virtually did not exist before the French Revolution, and came into focus gradually beginning in the early 1800s. So it is utterly vacuous to say that women were deprived of the vote for “centuries”, in case anybody wanted to say such a thing. In fact, the time window in which women couldn’t vote was historically very brief, and for most of that same stretch most men were similarly deprived. Yes, the more you whittle this down, the more trivial it looks.

            As above, was it really such an unspeakable crime that the female population couldn’t always go to the polls during that comparatively trifling span of years?

            Or is that entire concept nothing but feminist historiography, meant to wring pathos out of history for present-day political purposes by the device of retrojection? That would certainly conform to standard feminist tricknology, wouldn’t it?

            Once again, I believe that women’s historical lack of voting rights was neither a good thing nor a bad thing, but a morally indifferent thing which ought to concern us very little at the present day. And I even think I am being generous, for to be intellectually honest I believe a case might be constructed that it was a positive good in the context of those times.However, I am willing to settle for “morally indifferent”, and call it quits.

            Look, it’s simple. Once upon a time, women didn’t have the voting franchise because societal norms found nothing amiss about such an arrangement. Then times changed, norms changed, and women were admitted to the franchise. That’s all. And women were never, at any point along that general story-line, “oppressed.” Only within the feminist narrative were they “oppressed” — but there are other narratives.

            Furthermore, women were never at any time deprived of any rights. You see, women’s “right” to vote simply did not exist in the first place – or not during the period when the so-called deprivation occurred. I mean that “rights” are only a figment. Only a mentation. Only a notion. Only a construct. Rights do not exist in their own right. They are not some mystical pure essence which hangs in the air all by itself — they must be conjured into existence by a strictly human will-to-power, and fixed by law or custom. Through the entirety of human history, people have been inventing new “rights”, in train with new appetites, where none existed previously. And I expect they will continue to do so.

            So in conclusion, I wish that second and third-wave feminists would shut the hell up with their dishonest, self-laudatory rhetoric about “the vote”. Women can vote now, so the feminists need to quit tooting on that rusty old horn. It is getting really, really old. It really is.)(How feminism made women unsuitable for marriage and parenting)(

            …there’s currently a buyer’s market in women who are up for just about anything with the right kind of cad, what with delayed marriage (the average age for a woman’s first wedding is now 26, compared with 20 in 1960, according to the University of Virginia-based National Marriage Project’s latest report); reliable contraception; and advances in antibiotics (no more worries about what used to be called venereal disease). No-fault divorce, moreover, has pushed the marriage-dissolution rate up to between 40 and 50 percent and swelled the single-female population with “cougars” in their 30s, 40s, 50s, and beyond. On top of it all is the feminist-driven academic and journalistic culture celebrating that yesterday’s “loose” women are today’s “liberated” women, able to proudly “explore their sexuality” without “getting punished for their lust,” as the feminist writer Naomi Wolf put it in the Guardian in December.

            Wolf devoted her 1997 book Promiscuities to trying to remove the stigma from .  .  . promiscuity. On the one hand, she decried the double-standard unfairness of labeling a girl who fools around with too many boys a “slut,” and, on the other, she lionized “the Slut” (her capitalization) as the enviable epitome of feminist freedom and feminist transgression against puritanical social norms. Wolf’s point of view is today mainstream. It’s the underlying theme of Eve Ensler’s girls-talk-dirty Vagina Monologues, performed every year on Valentine’s Day on college campuses across the country. A chapter from Promiscuities titled “Sluts” has made so many women’s studies reading lists that term-paper mills sell canned essays purporting to dissect it. A group calling itself the Women’s Direct Action Collective issued a manifesto in 2007 titled Sluts Against Rape insisting that “a woman should have the right to be sexual in any way she chooses” and that easy availability was “a positive assertion of sexual identity.” In other words, if people call you a whore because you, say, fall into bed with someone whose name you can’t quite remember, that’s their problem. Of course, if a man mistakes a woman being “sexual in any way she chooses” for consent to have sex, it’s still rape.

            The same feminist academics pooh-pooh concerns about the long-term effects of the hookup culture, arguing that it’s essentially just a harmless college folly, akin to swallowing goldfish, which young women will outgrow after graduation with no lasting scars. As long as they take precautions against disease and pregnancy, the current wisdom goes, it might even be good for you: a sort of rumspringa for the non-Amish in which you get your girls-gone-wild urges out of your system before you settle down to have babies.

            [...]Thanks to late marriage, easy divorce, and the well-paying jobs that the feminist revolution has wrought for women, the bars, clubs, sidewalks, and subway straps of nearly every urban center in America overflow every weekend with females, young and not so young, bronzed, blonded, teeth-whitened, and dressed in the maximal cleavage and minimal skirt lengths that used to be associated with streetwalkers but nowadays is standard garb for lawyers and portfolio managers on a girls’ night out. The prelude to the $50,000 wedding these days isn’t just the budget-busting shower—although that’s de rigueur—but the bachelorette party, in which the bride and her BFF’s don their skinnies and spaghetti straps and head to a bar to be hit on, sometimes bride and all, by whatever males are bold enough (the typical accoutrements of the bachelorette party are a $15 “ironic” veil for the bride and a sculpted replica of a male sex organ that’s often brought to the bar).

            All this takes place to a basso profundo of feminist cheerleading. Wolf’s op-ed in the Guardian praised the uninhibited sexual “self-expression” of the four female leads in Sex and the City, especially the 40-something Samantha (hitting 50 in the 2008 movie), who, during the six seasons that the series ran, racked up nearly as many sex partners (41) as her three coleads combined—and Carrie, Miranda, and Charlotte were no slouches themselves in the quickie department. “Did not thousands of young women .  .  . breathe a sigh of relief or even liberation watching Samantha down another tequila, unrepentantly ogle the sex god at the end of the bar, and get richer and more beautiful with age, with no STDs or furies pursuing her?,” Wolf gushed.

            Urban life, furthermore, turns out to imitate Sex and the City. A survey reported in the New York Daily News around the time of the film’s release revealed that the typical female resident of Manhattan, who marries later on average than almost every other woman in the country, has 20 sex partners during her lifetime. By way of contrast, the median number of lifetime sex partners for all U.S. women ages 15 to 44 is just 3.3, according to the Census Bureau’s latest statistical abstract.

            There’s a lot more in the original piece, but the main point is that feminists wanted this to happen, and women today can decide for themselves whether they like the results of feminism. I know one thing for sure – no Christian man wants to marry a woman who engages in recreational sex outside of marriage. It ruins a woman’s capabilities in a host of areas necessary for love, marriage and parenting, not the least of which is trust. A woman has to stop this behavior and put on chastity in order to stand any chance of having a successful marriage, in my opinion.

            What do women value in men?

            The hook-up culture is bad news for guys like me who are chaste. Hooking-up over and over again is lousy preparation for courtship, marriage and parenting. It ruins a woman’s ability to be romantic, trusting and vulnerable.

            But feminism also wrecks a woman’s ability to choose men who are marriage ready. Feminism tells a women that there are no special roles that men should take on – like the roles of provider, protector and moral/spiritual leader. One a woman accepts that men have no marriage-specific roles, then they cease to test men to see if they can perform those marriage-specific roles. Instead, women just choose men on superficial criteria. Instead of looking a a man’s resume or his ability to care for others, she focuses instead on superficial stuff like the clothes he wears or whether her friends think he is funny.

            Consider confidence. Confidence is something that women today often say they want. The problem is that an attitude of confidence can be faked when it rests on nothing. All you can see by looking is the attitude, not the reality. A man can be confident about being able to support the costs of raising children and yet this confidence could be completely unwarranted by his education or work history. While a man who is fearful and lacks confidence can in fact be more qualified to be a provider because of his education and work history.

            So, a better strategy than trying to measure a man’s confidence with the eyes is to talk to the man. Ask him about his plan and assess whether he has done enough preparation to achieve his goals. Ask for some evidence!

            Here are a few more of the criteria that women use to choose men:

            Being tall
            Being aloof and disinterested
            Playing a musical instrument
            Well-dressed
            Stylish shoes
            A deep voice
            Handsome face

            A deep voice? Shouldn’t it matter more what the voice actually says? For both Christian and non-Christian women that I’ve met, the answer is inevitably NO. Many women have children out-of-wedlock (40%), and the children of these single mothers suffer. 70% of divorces are initiated by women, which is also devastating to any children present. Presumably they selected a father for these children using silly criteria as above. It won’t work. And then children are raised without a father, and the cycle repeats itself.

            What does such criteria say about women’s goals for relationships? Are they really interested in marriage and parenting? Do they really care if their children have a relationship with God throught faith in Christ?)In addition to the CDC data, a recent 32-nation study by the University of New Hampshire found women commit half of all partner violence and are just as controlling as men (‘http://www.unh.edu/news/cj_nr/2006/may/em_060519male.cfm?type=n’) (‘http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/ID41E2.pdf’).

            A University of Florida study recently found women are more likely than men to “stalk, attack and abuse” their partners (‘http://news.ufl.edu/2006/07/13/women-attackers/’).

            The University of Washington recently found similar results (‘http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/06/070625111433.htm’).

            In fact, although men are less likely to report the violence – which distorts crime data, virtually all randomized sociological surveys show women initiate domestic violence as often as men and use weapons more than men, that men suffer one-third of injuries, and that self-defense explains only a small portion of domestic violence by either sex. Professor Martin Fiebert of California State University summarizes this data in an online bibliography at (‘http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm’).

            A recent study in the Journal of Family Violence found many male callers to a national hotline experienced severe violence from female partners who used violence to control them (‘http://www.springerlink.com/content/a7q0032j88817218/fulltext.pdf’).

            A University of Pennsylvania emergency room report found 13 percent of men were assaulted by a female partner in the previous 12 months, 37 percent with a weapon, and 14 percent required medical attention (‘http://www.aemj.org/cgi/content/abstract/6/8/786′).

            Runb4itstolate

            August 15, 2012 at 7:49 am

            • Runb4itstolate and Gamerp4. Your rants, insults, snides, put downs, attacks and endless barrage of bile, hate and vitriol will do more to harm a mens rights movement or fight for equlity that any woman could.

              Yes, you both at times make some good points but honestly, you’re as bad as the most bitter, twisted, extreme and radical feminist I have had the misfortune to meet. You don’t debate, listen or consider. You have no manners or respect. You just shout and bleat in an inpotent fury. The way you carry on I sometimes wonder if you are women pretending to be men in order to give the rest of us a bad name.

              If you want a change in the world then first be that change yourselves. If you cant do that then you have no right to expect it from others.

              Bob

              August 21, 2012 at 11:33 am

              • Listen here mangina this a free country last I looked and yes I said “mangina”. A country supposedly built on equality which is far from the truth honestly especially on the male side of things. How I speak is no concern to you and I am wondering the same about you being a female!? considering you have said nothing about the countless twisting and name calling women here have spoken!
                Just by that you are a gender traitor at best! In what you stated alone shows you have no contempt for your fellow men! How I have talked is simply giving back how men are treated here and in society I think you and Janelle should have a get together you would be good for each other!
                Also what I speak is not hate once again just equality the sooner men start giving back what they have gotten for a long time now the sooner this gender war will end.With a tooth for a tooth mentality along with a marriage strike you may have a chance to survive in this feminist world.
                Sitting back jabber jawing listening to women speak with nothing to back any claims is a waist while right under your nose that very woman is breaking down more men by her words! Also meanwhile by being mr.nice guy that women love to use and abuse another “right:” is being lost in that year for men!
                If you cannot see that I feel sorry for you man most of all I am sorry i hurt your man feelings by my writing.

                runb4itstolate

                August 21, 2012 at 1:47 pm

              • Really BOB did you read what we wrote and did you read what those women wrote? You are just using the same points but from the books of women, You really think we are that stupid that we dont know what we wrote and dont have enough brain cells to ignite a thoughtful statement, Can you please tell me what articulated, intelligent, intellectual discussion these women put forth? Have you read what TERESA wrote? HAVE YOU READ WHAT NICOLE WROTE?

                Well maybe we are barking at the wrong tree but we sure know that our barking is supported with stats and facts that is aligned with the truth and history that is preached in every century but unfortunately our today’s culture has been so corrupted and men are so emasculated that any man who puts down a women is labeled as a misogynist and women hater from then on, HAVE YOU SEEN what these women had to offer to the discussion if you havn’t kindly read the whole discussion, I might be off guard sometimes but i certainly am not that stupid to rants, insults, snides, put downs, attacks and endless barrage of bile, hate and vitriol between if you truly want to see the awesomeness of these women kindly read what TERESA has to offer for her sane and intellectual and intelligent (Dont forget that) arguments.

                If my definition of actual women was the reason you tried to label me as a women hater than by god i have no problem but i stand on my definition and wont move from it, IF A WOMEN LIKES IT OR NOT i will speak the truth no matter what (Maybe there are some attacks and put downs in the statement but surely every women that visit this site comes with a full blown package of misandrist comments, Janelle and all those women here have nothing to add or to HELP THE MEN for them they are here to ridicule, mock, berate or shame the men into accepting their ideology (Which is still not clear) Do one thing Assume us what ever way you can because not only these women don’t state their TRUE reason but they gleefully LIKE TO PUT DOWN MEN here and YOU KNOW THAT BETTER than me, for me every women is guilty until proven innocent (Yah its that tough to convince me because i have felt the whip myself) and if they dont like the harsh treatment from a burned guy well SHAMING, MOCKING, BELITTLING him wont change him nor dragging his family to the discussion solves anything IF ANYTHING NEEDS A CHANGE its the WOMEN because they are the one that altered the social machine altogether, I am not against women’s rights nor i am a hater (Ya mock that too and tell me that from the looks of it i seem like one) but as i said for me they have to prove that they are here to help the men not to throw them under the bus just to have some incentives and gifts from him.

                These women who visit this site from top to bottom have tried to belittle men here, put down the men here, had shamed men here, thrown insult at men here and when i threw the same “BALL” at them YOU SAW A HATER AND A Vitrioling mad men who is out to put down women and possibly is a women in disguise to give a bad name to men (I am sick with this kind of language bob because you have stooped to the same level that all those mangina’s and white knights have).

                “You don’t debate, listen or consider”

                Tell me do you see any women here that does the same? If a man objects to their opinions they resort to call that men a misogynist or call his long RANTING a dribble, see the narcissism in TERESA where she consistently tries to insult, attack and shame men (Ya She probably hates me more than any men on this earth), Janelle who in just few days ago was calling this site misogynistic and women hating and labelled all those MRM sites as misogynistic and women hating site because YAH SPLC said it she didn’t served even the tiny fraction of those site, where men are busy trying to point out to the state and western public and to the global world that what kind of misandry is flowing in the world where MEN’s RIGHTS are mocked, WHERE MEN ARE NOT EVEN CONSIDERED HUMAN BEINGS and she doesn’t knows that but she doesn’t wants to even have A PEEK at those sites but made up her call that she see’s MEN”S RIGHTS nothing but misogyny (Maybe she doesn’t know about that “But nobody is that naive in today’s world” or maybe she is plainly lieing), Talk about Mariana who is so much talking shit that even you KNOW it and look at NICOLE who is probably a feminist berates stay at home mom in the same sentence after she states that NO MEN should criticize the women’s choice (Well Nicole my dear your doing the same) and after writing her dribble she calls children as a burden to mommy’s career (Yep read it up there i didn’t made it up).

                Between these are the women i had interacted with but alas BOB as i said i am utterly shocked to see you respond to me and runb4itstolate (Who made a long ranting comment up there without any response from nicole “Yep we have no skills in debate and we are retards”) well if we make such good points that why our responses are called out as dribble by women (Let me tell you WHY, it is not because we are jerks or stupid but it is because most of our “dribble” is based on stats from state insitution, truth and facts from history and other social media outlets but truly we should insulte and put down women more because i see them do it all the time (The reason women have so many white knights to support them gives them the power to belittle men and dont have any repercussions).

                Gamerp4

                August 21, 2012 at 1:57 pm

                • Gamerp4 makes many valid points in what he is written here, his end line says it all (The reason women have so many white knights to support them gives them the power to belittle men and dont have any repercussions). What men have to ask themselves is are you a man in your own right? do you have any individual awareness as to who you are anymore? Or are you a man by design a design written and choreographed by women as so many are now?

                  Well for one I do not go out in public thinking about what people think of me or if my shoes are in style or what the latest trend is that maybe women like. Nor do I try to impress women by throwing around 100$ bills to whores only to feed them to create more.
                  I also do not go around downing men about how many times they got laid, to me any man who does that might be gay if they are so concerned with another males sex life that is just pitiful! I also do not go out trying to pick up women and throw my hard earned dollars out the window. Instead I have plenty of money for things I like to do and hobbies. I do things for myself as a man not for what I think a woman might find attractive or to get materialistic things to obtain a woman only to have the woman take it from you.I also do not go to the gym to be all ripped up to fit the criteria women search for.I go to the gym to see how much weight I can put up for myself as a man! Most of all I do not let the pussy control me period and really that is what creates a mangina.

                  I once had a woman tell me she was independent had more then enough money but yet she wanted me to pay for it all? she also made a statement that she did not need a man just would like one (sort of like a pet). My response was if you are so independent and do not need a man and just want a temporary date then why don’t you pay for it all?She left but I laughed sat down and had me a nice lobster dinner.

                  Actually do you want to know why men do not have much of the bonding like they once had as the women do now? Simply because women have separated men.How men are constantly at each others throats based on a theory created by women. In feminist society they have made it so men will literally beat the crap out of each other over a woman!
                  Also by example I knew a guy that walked in his house once to his girl friend waiting for him was two guys that actually tried to kill him actually the guy protected himself and he was the one who went to jail not the two guys.Why? because a woman was witness to it all and said it was her boyfriends fault.the boyfriend found out after his incarceration by bumping into one of those two men that his girlfriend told the two men he abused her in which he never did and is why they reacted as such.The reason she did it was because she got sick of her boyfriend and liked one of the two guys.(So hence the white knights do more damage then good)

                  Many men have been blinded for a long time now and it is really time to wake up seriously

                  runb4itstolate

                  August 21, 2012 at 3:08 pm

                • “look at NICOLE who is probably a feminist berates stay at home mom in the same sentence after she states that NO MEN should criticize the women’s choice (Well Nicole my dear your doing the same) and after writing her dribble she calls children as a burden to mommy’s career (Yep read it up there i didn’t made it up).”

                  **************************

                  You keep saying that, and I didn’t remember saying anything remotely close to that, so I finally decided to look through my posts to see if you were right. And I found the only possible thing that you could be referring to, and you’re still completely off. Here is what I said, word for word: “If a man or woman wants to stay home with the children in lieu of having a career, great. But if not, it astounds me that people who are entirely outside of the situation would have the nerve to criticize their parenting and label women as “selfish” for wanting to maintain their careers. When children come into the picture, of course they should be the most important thing in their parents’ lives. But a woman wanting a career in addition to motherhood is not automatically a bad mother. Every individual and family is different, and it’s appalling that instead of respecting those differences, people seem to be operating on assumptions and stereotypes.” Please point out exactly where in this statement I berate stay at home moms and where I call children a burden to mommy’s career.

                  And I don’t exactly say “NO MEN should criticize the women’s choice,” but they shouldn’t. No woman should either. It’s none of your damn business how another person chooses to live his or her life, or how any particular family does things, as long as everyone’s needs are being taken care of.

                  I did say in another post that many women regret not pursuing their own careers and interests in addition to motherhood, but that also says nothing close to what you accuse me of saying – it’s just a simple fact. Nowhere at all do I call children a burden to mommy’s career. It’s not the child’s fault that the mother never spoke up for herself and asked her husband to help her raise the kids so she could try to achieve her own career goals as well.

                  Until you can come up with an intelligent argument refuting what I am saying with ACTUAL content (not just a stream of name-calling and horsecrap), know that you will forever be full of shit.

                  Nicole

                  August 21, 2012 at 8:26 pm

                  • I dont know if this reply of mine will get any response from nicole or not OR MAYBE SHE WILL call it another dribble from the “mad man” but I am gonna be very articulate and intelligent for these women to understand what this whole world thinks of them and their lovely ideology feminism (Based on false charts, stats and accusations of socalled Patriarchy).

                    First off i am gonna proof that how Nicole berates stay at home mom (She did it indirectly in the sentences so that people would chew it off and wont see it anything as a hate)

                    >As for the people who say that kids MUST have a stay at home mom to turn out well, you should know that it’s better to be thought a fool than to open your mouths and remove all doubt.

                    >For the people saying these things and being so narrow-minded, I’m guessing you had stay-at-home mothers? So then can you explain why you turned out so horribly?

                    Yep those people who oppose the idea of what feminist and NICOLE is preaching must have been nurtured by a stay-at home mother. Now Nicole might come out and say that she obviously didn’t meant like that OR GAMERP4 (The bastard) is just painting a different picture with the above quotes, I rest it on the people to see what she meant by the above statement, Nicole if you use any name calling and shaming language then you should be ready for my takes also and dont whine after i give you the same treatment you gave to so many men here.

                    And one more thing THE IDEOLOGY that you NICOLE so adore and try to preach to others that NOT ALL FEMINIST ARE LIKE THAT well it was the feminist ideology that defined HOUSEWIVES as SLAVE of PATRIARCHY, it was FEMINISM who had opposed Stay-at home mom and had such hatred for them that even today they criticize the choices of women who choose the title of housewife. Feminists simply do not think it is possible in this “enlightened age” for an intelligent, woman to find fulfillment in caring for a husband and children and managing a household. They think that women who choose this lifestyle must suffer from low self esteems or are brainwashed by some sort of patriarchal cult. And please dont tell us that FEMINIST dont berate stay at home mom , They do that is why there are article after articles saying that “BEING A STAY AT HOME MOM IS THE TOUGHEST JOB ON THE EARTH and THE WOMAN WHO DOES IT DONT GET PAID :D really is it all about the money now, No love, No Sacrifice just money (I am not making that up) and maybe you should take another look at what HILARY ROSIN has to say to Ann romney ( I am not a supporter :D i am just citing a source where a career minded woman criticizes a SAHM, Yah feminist never do this)

                    fathers4kids.com/html/Newsletters.htm?article_id=1064

                    And the next point where YOU nicole called children a burden to mommy’s career, well sarcastically speaking you were really preaching FEMINISM’s ideology to these imbecile women who stay at home for their children and sacrifice for their family your quotes:

                    >It’s not fair to assume that a woman will regret her choice to work. There are plenty of women who regret their choices not to work and build their own identities outside of being a wife and mother.

                    >And why is it the woman, by default, who has to give up her career? Why is it that you don’t say a thing about the father and how HE should be spending more time with his kids instead of working so much?

                    Dont you see it? or are you going to change this to something else because obviously you have just describe Children’s a burden to mommy’s career and if the above quotes dont say it then tell me “WHO ARE THOSE WOMEN THAT REGRET THEIR CHOICES of not having dollars in their purses and a dream cubicle in which they would spent their entire life and hates their husband and children for forcing them to do this (Clearly you said this if not please elaborate why women regret being a mother rather then a career minded freak).

                    Actually feminist do regret being a wife and mother and not “HAVING IT ALL”

                    jezebel.com/363002/regretting-motherhood-not-every-woman-wants-rugrats

                    Quote: “Should a woman who is reluctant about motherhood have a baby anyway? And if you have a child and feel a sense of regret, are you a bad mother?” See this quote yes this quote really mirrors your where you stated “But a woman wanting a career in addition to motherhood is not automatically a bad mother” Yep a mother is not a mother until she see her babies needs more than hers, EVEN A FATHER is not a father until he sees his babies needs more than his BUT YOU WOMEN regret that DONT YOU (READ: I AM ACCUSING FATHERS HERE ALSO SO DONT GO ALL MAD ON ME FOR EXCLUDING BAD FATHERS HERE WHICH I AM NOT ONE).

                    theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/07/why-women-still-cant-have-it-all/309020/

                    This article shows the true picture of why a feminist woman would regret motherhood YAH GUESS BECAUSE SHE COULDN’T HAVE IT ALL (What is having it all means, CAN MEN HAVE IT ALL ALSO).

                    Although i dont care what these feminist do with their life, whether become a wife and mother or they die childless and i dont want to take this the other way but clearly YOU berated SAHM and you clearly stated that there are feminist women who regrets motherhood and not having it all.

                    “And I don’t exactly say “NO MEN should criticize the women’s choice,” but they shouldn’t. No woman should either. It’s none of your damn business how another person chooses to live his or her life, or how any particular family does things, as long as everyone’s needs are being taken care of.”

                    And you clearly did criticize MEN here and you clearly state that “I don’t think any 30-something man of quality would want to be with a 20 year old woman (the only men who would are most likely perverts and superficial men who care more about fertility and appearances than actual compatibility).” Who gave you the right to be the judge, jury and executioner calling those men who find comforts in young women and how you can accuse them of being perverts and superficial, clearly you were name calling their and you clearly dont like the CHOICES those women who go out with those men made, YOU CAN JUDGE PEOPLE BUT PEOPLE HAVE NO RIGHT TO JUDGE YOU? that is absurd, either you dont criticize people’s choices or else be ready for people who will criticize your choices (YOU CAN’T HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT TOO you know).

                    “I did say in another post that many women regret not pursuing their own careers and interests in addition to motherhood, but that also says nothing close to what you accuse me of saying – it’s just a simple fact.”

                    Yep this fact can only be seen in feminist circle and i didnt posted who were those women who regretted of being a mother and not owning a career (YOUR INCLUDED).

                    “Nowhere at all do I call children a burden to mommy’s career. It’s not the child’s fault that the mother never spoke up for herself and asked her husband to help her raise the kids so she could try to achieve her own career goals as well.”

                    For me YOU DID CALLED that, because A MOTHER NEVER REGRETS of being a mother (If she does it was her choice in the first place nobody forced her to be a mother and a wife, nobody held a gun on her head on the altar, NOBODY DRAGGED YOU AND THOSE WOMEN to motherhood did they? so accuse those women who do this but dont lecture people here that not having a career is the biggest mistake a women could ever make which is wrong and literally a lie from YOU AND FEMINIST ALIKE because the biggest mistake a woman makes is not being a mother BUT ALAS ITS HER CHOICE).

                    “Until you can come up with an intelligent argument refuting what I am saying with ACTUAL content (not just a stream of name-calling and horsecrap), know that you will forever be full of shit.”

                    I clearly dont have any intention to come up with any intelligent argument because YOU CANNOT REFUTE ANY THING your man hating responses were enough for people here that is why you are out of the bounds of any intellectual discussion in the first place not only YOU MOCKED MEN here but you called out this so called opinion of yours

                    >Lying, cheating whores has nothing to do with feminism. Men and women both lie and cheat. Honestly, I hope you don’t go around talking about how men are oppressed in society because a lot of people would just laugh at you. Just for being a man, you automatically get a level of respect that most women can’t even imagine – no one questions you for not wanting to change your name when you get married, no one has the nerve to tell you you should be staying at home with your children in lieu of having a career. And what do you do? You completely take this respect for granted and whine about how men have it so terrible. Even if some women abuse feminism, it hasn’t gotten women the same level of respect that you get as a man without even lifting a finger. Get over it.

                    This above quote simple tells US MEN that whatever happens to YOU in real world WELL SUCK IT UP YOU DAMN BAStARDS (Get over it.) because your so privileged that if you ask for MEN’S RIGHTS people and feminist would laugh their ass of at you, BEING BORN WITH A PENIS doesn’t mean we have all the rights MISS NICOLE it is just your and feminist thinking which is why you and your sisterhood have corrupted the laws and culture of western society because you feel YOUR VICTIMIZED in every stand and NO MEN EVER FACED any problem in this world, TELL ME WHAT PRIVILEGE i have that you dont have,

                    These are the questions i asked TERESA but she never responded (She must have been terrified) and i would like to ask them again and want the answer from you.

                    TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT MALE DOMINANCE, AND WOMEN OPPRESSION?

                    Tell me WHEN WERE THE WOMEN got the RIGHT TO VOTE, TO OWN PROPERTY, and TO GET EDUCATION?

                    TELL ME WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT SUSAN B ANTHONY?

                    TELL ME WHAT IS FEMINIST MOVEMENT ALL ABOUT?

                    TELL ME WHAT IS THE SOCALLED DEFINITION OF EQUALITY?

                    TELL ME WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT THE LAWS AND JUDICIAL SYSTEM TODAY IN AMERICAN?

                    TELL ME WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT THE FALSE ALLEGATIONS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND RAPE?

                    TELL ME WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT WORK DEATHS, WAR DEATHS, SUICIDE DEATHS? AND WHO IS MORE SOCIALLY DEPRIVED THAT THEY ARE CHOOSING TO END THEIR LIFE WITH SUICIDES?

                    TELL ME WHAT FEMINIST HAVE SO FAR DONE FOR MEN”S RIGHTS AND WHAT LAWS DID THEY PUT OUT FOR THE ABUSED MENS? ARE THERE ANY SHELTERS, WELFARE LAWS, STATE FUNDED PROGRAMS FOR MEN?

                    TELL ME HOW MANY STUDIES ARE PRESCRIBED FOR MEN WHILE WOMEN CAN HAVE THEIR WOMEN STUDIES IF FEMINISM IS ABOUT EQUALITY WHY TODAY’S YOUTH HAVE TO LEARN ABOUT WOMEN WHEN WE CAN LEARN ABOUT HUMAN STUDIES?

                    TELL ME WHY CAMPUSES, UNIVERSITIES, COLLEGES ARE FORCING LAWS WHERE MEN ARE FORCED TO WEAR HEELS AND SOMETIMES ARE HUMILIATED TO MARCH IN THEM? DO YOU SEE THAT AS A PRIVILEGED FOR MEN? DONT YOU THINK THAT IS AWFULL TREATMENT OF MEN WHERE THEIR CHOICES ARE NOT CONCERNED BUT THEY ARE BEING FORCED TO DO SOMETHING OUT OF THEIR FREE WILL?

                    TELL ME WHY THERE IS A DECREASING NUMBER OF MALE ENROLLEMENT IN COLLEGES, UNIVERSITIES, DONT YOU SEE THAT AS A BIG PROBLEM BECAUSE ITS CLEARLY DEMONSTRATE THAT THERE IS A HUGE GAP WHICH IS HOLDING MEN AND BOYS FROM GETTING EDUCATION? DONT YOU FEEL THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED BY THE FEMINIST? HAVE YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT STATS SOMETHING WHERE THE FEMINISTS CRIED FOR THIS? ARE YOU A SUPPORTER OF HANNA ROSIN WHERE SHE GLEEFULLY STATS THE END OF MEN? IS FEMINISM ABOUT THE END OF MEN OR WAS IT ABOUT EQUALITY? IF ITS ABOUT EQUALITY WHERE ARE FEMINIST ON THE ISSUE OF DECREASING LEVEL OF MALE INTEREST IN EDUCATION?

                    The last question is the serious one dont answer it with obnoxious argument that MEN ARE NOT INTERESTED IN EDUCATION because clearly feminism had pressured the government so much that the education laws were amended to discourage men and boys from getting education and this alarming situation is being swept under the rug by the government, feminist and media EQUALITY IS SOMETHING WHERE THE OUTCOME SHOULD BE EQUAL but it seems that is not the case because feminist are happy with this situation of MEN opting out of education.

                    Gamerp4

                    August 22, 2012 at 11:07 am

              • This what men like you will get until you actually wake up and smell the coffee and not just look at the bean and say mm that is a nice bean! During the feminist era women staged the sidewalks burning objects and making themselves well known!
                Only thing is everything they were doing was based on false information that never occurred. As of right now more and more Mens Rights are being taken and more will soon come why? because Men are not giving back anything they are receiving nor are they fighting actually for something that is legitimate in the matter that actually make any statement among the mainstream media.
                Now I have come across some sites and organizations that do and that actually get out in the real world and do something about it. But sitting on your arm chair writing against men and sitting back watching more lies being spewed by women and accepting them surely does nothing in its own right! http://dangerousintersection.org/2012/02/08/oklahoma-legislator-introduces-every-sperm-is-sacred-provision-into-proposed-law/ So yes this is what you will get one day…

                runb4itstolate

                August 21, 2012 at 2:16 pm

                • And of course this was for BOB

                  runb4itstolate

                  August 21, 2012 at 2:17 pm

                • I’m well aware of feminism, both the good and the bad, I need no education from you. I just wish yourself and Gamer could act like men instead bickering, tattle-telling, sulky, moody, insulting 5 year olds. Your anger and immaturity is palpable. You come across the same as the rabid and incessantly squawking radical feminists. Do you understand that? You look ridiculous. Is that how you wish to be viewed? Is that how you wish to act?

                  You are the people that give the mens rights movement a bad name. It’s your vitriol that get’s sites like this put onto “hate site” lists. You do more damage than good.

                  I support men rights, especially rights for fathers, but both myself and many other men can’t abide this self sabotage by the radical element.

                  You’re still allowed to be a man, nobody has taken that right away from you, you don’t have to act like an indignant little child having a hissy fit. I don’t care if women act the same way, I just cannot abide men that act like it because your reflection is cast upon the rest of us.

                  Bob

                  August 22, 2012 at 1:07 pm

                  • Bob I think your a female bob…I seriously do..I think your a female grasping from her losses bob.One of the reasons bob is this statement (I’m well aware of feminism, both the good and the bad,)this statement alone makes you have nothing to do with Mens Rights at all bob! Also you use some of the same undercover shaming tactics as women bob in which you have repeated either that or your a man with woman qualities.
                    Bob (It’s your vitriol that get’s sites like this put onto “hate site” lists. You do more damage than good.)
                    No it isn’t actually it is men like you that sit back and let women have their way and let it happen!Meanwhile another 100 sites of male bashing and women’s rights sites pop up based on more lies.Why don’t you check out some of the Google statistics on your own huh?Simply because I am sick of posting statistics backed by EVIDENCE just to be told by a so called man {Possibly a woman actually} that I am not bringing anything to the table and that I am just a little child.
                    Radical bob? What I post is far from radical here have you seen some of the sites written from women?Radical that is just to funny! Hmm maybe when I get some time I’ll just list the 100,000′s of sites here bob?Now if you are truly a man we can agree to disagree but you are not gonna shut me up! Because the more and more you post the more you are convincing me your a chick!
                    You can sit back and watch it all happen when more and more men have their rights taken.One day you may wake up to a child saying he had a wet dream and the next thing you know cops are at the door to take him away for masterbating! If this is the kind of world you want to live in then kudos to you bob!
                    Otherwise upon my EQUAL blabber to these wonderful women I will continue to do so.
                    Because I am not gonna sit here and take the crap men do as I see daily just going to the gym or the supermarket etc etc!

                    runb4itstolate

                    August 22, 2012 at 3:33 pm

              • Well put, Bob.

                I’ve stopped responding to either of them because they’re not capable of intelligent, respectful debate – it always degenerates into petty name calling and degradation. They claim they’re just “giving women equal treatment” by behaving this way, but that is horsecrap – they’re just lashing out because they think they’re humiliating the person they’re talking to (when they’re really just humiliating themselves). And look – they automatically thumb down the posts of anyone who doesn’t kiss their asses and look at their words as brilliant epiphanies, no matter how legitimate and true those posts are. I’m sure my post is going to get a lot of thumbs down and vitriolic replies and gamerp4 calling me “Mr Nicole”, but I don’t need to lash out at them because I know where their behavior is coming from. They are obviously miserable people stuck in a mire of their own shit – being them is punishment enough without additional berating from anyone here.

                Honestly, I agree that they’re doing harm to any possible movement for mens’ rights. They’re embodying every negative male stereotype – that men are a bunch of jeering, leering, misogynistic asses. With them as representation, no one is ever going to believe that men should be given equal custody of kids, equal treatment as far as reproductive rights, etc. Who the hell wants the children of today growing up with THAT as a role model!

                I cannot believe that anyone would bully a woman who has lost her ability to have children due to CANCER and say she is not a real woman and her boyfriend is a loser for wanting her anyway. Wow…just wow. :( It’s things like this that make me lose faith in humanity.

                Runb4itstolate – I do have some responses to that essay of yours, although I don’t have time for the play by play right now. You actually do make some good points, but there are some things where I also think you are obviously reaching in order to support your own agenda. For example, you have the numbers showing that men commit suicide more often, but that proves nothing. Everyone already knows that. You have no evidence whatsoever that this has anything to do with feminism.

                And gamerp4 – I never gave any definition of a real woman as “such and such.” As others pointed out, the only one arrogant enough to do that is YOU. A real woman is any female age 18 and over, period. Regardless of whether she chooses to be a career mom or stay at home mom, regardless of whether she has children or not. A woman is a woman regardless of what she is worth to YOU. And a man is a man no matter how fast or slow his swimmers are. A quality human being is one who conducts him/herself with dignity and treats others with respect even though they may not have the same values/beliefs/views. So instead of going on about how any woman who doesn’t have babies is worthless, why don’t you look in the mirror and ask yourself if you are really the quality person you seem to think you are.

                Again, I’m sure both of you will respond to this post with crap, but I don’t care because you’re reflecting badly on yourselves, not on me.

                Nicole

                August 21, 2012 at 8:03 pm

                • Wow nicole you have come from your hiding still with nothing of any significance! And actually if you read in one of my posts or maybe even two I have some links! maybe you have come out of hiding because you have seen some white knights coming out and speaking that may help the damsel in distress. But a question is rising whether these white knights are not women posing as men just to help their OWN AGENDA!
                  The only people that is reflecting bad here are the ones with nothing to back up anything they write here! that includes the greater number of women!

                  runb4itstolate

                  August 22, 2012 at 6:00 am

                • Honestly, I agree that they’re doing harm to any possible movement for mens’ rights. They’re embodying every negative male stereotype – that men are a bunch of (jeering), (leering), (misogynistic) (asses). For one like you give a crap on Mens Rights.For two again=http://exposingfeminism.wordpress.com/shaming-tactics/

                  runb4itstolate

                  August 22, 2012 at 6:09 am

      • Nicole, thank you for providing such an articulate reply. I certainly feel for Rita’s son and I so sorry he has had bad experiences. You are right to point out the fact that Rita ignores or fails to see the disrespectful way some men speak to women on this site (calling them bad names and sarcastically referring to women as “princess,” “cupcake,” or “darling”) and the personal attacks.

        You do ask a great question: At what point did feminism become automatically associated with cheating and draining men?

        Anonymous

        August 15, 2012 at 4:19 am

        • Thanks, it’s good to see a voice of reason on here.

          Nicole

          August 15, 2012 at 6:23 am

          • Feminists need to get a life! and get out of the box!

            Runb4itstolate

            August 15, 2012 at 7:49 am

            • Oh and If you need more information like the above just let me know I have very much..Not that you won’t find some way to twist it to your feminist liking….

              Runb4itstolate

              August 15, 2012 at 7:53 am

              • Runb4itstolate You would lose your touch if you keep on going with these numb nuts its better to stop it right here let them Claim that there is a minority or a few dozen women who do this to men BUT NOT “ALL”, Ya All those women are angels, pious, nurturer, compassionate, loving, non violent, non aggressive, God fearing, God loving, Nature loving, Etc (You can insert more qualities here_____________________) but overall WE MEN HATE THEM :D yep we hate them that is why we setup site like these which are misogynist of the highest level just ask JANELLE she knows about the SPLC hate list sites, Janelle you can post your comment on the “Misogynist” men’s rights site to Nicole so that she may be wary of them, you already did that to many other women who visit this site.

                In the end Women are never wrong But Men well they should be neutured, Boys should be given “Ritalin” (Never in my life i thought FEMINISM’S EQUALITY would be the END OF MEN AND BOYS, Good Going Nicole and Janelle your doing a fine job, giving drugs to boys in schools) and other drugs in Schools so that they can be more like girls who are sweet and cute, Equality is by far not the agenda of these bitching women’s, they want female supremacy but they can’t and don’t want to admit it (Well they need funds don’t they).

                My responses to these pea brain women’s who think that WOMEN who perform unjust accusations on MEN are FEW (12 or 13, Well not millions ask Nicole and Janelle or feminism) but MEN well they are ALL RAPIST, MISOGYNIST, CHAUVINISTIC PIGS, PEDOPHILES yes and Not even 1 men to be spared by these name callings and personal attacks, Janelle wont comment on women who use these kind of name calling but SHE WOULD COUNTER any personal attack made by a men on a women in this site, Hypocrites and Bigots all of these women are

                Gamerp4

                August 16, 2012 at 1:35 am

          • Yes those voices which line with you are full of reason BUT THOSE WHO OPPOSE YOU magically you become a dumb and deaf women :D isnt that ironic Mr Nicole.

            Gamerp4

            August 16, 2012 at 1:37 am

          • Mr Nicole would you kindly reply to Runb4itstolate Upper comment (Which is a lengthy one even for a pea brain like yourself) but would you atleast give a decent reply to his long Meaningful comment or Would you just see it as another dribble from a depressed and “insecure” “scared of strong women” men?. I am waiting for your much more lengthy reply on what is Oppression in feminist dogma?.

            Gamerp4

            August 16, 2012 at 1:41 am

        • Mangina and Dogs not allowed :D .

          Gamerp4

          August 16, 2012 at 1:37 am

          • Yes Gamerp4 I was planning on just sitting back, I would love to see a come back as well. I have written on this site for a long time on and off. Sometimes a man just gets fed up with women’s lies and has to do what he has to do. Its fun what I do especially coming to blow up liars out of the water on here.
            So in around Feb or so my e-book will be out I have been told by several people it will be the first of its kind ever written by a man. I do believe the feminist agenda has lasted long enough especially because it is not sustainable and will crumble sooner then most feminists want to believe one way or the other.
            It can crumble nicely or not so nicely really it will be “their choice” By the way keep up the good work Gamerp4 you have done some great work on here.

            Runb4itstolate

            August 16, 2012 at 6:54 am

            • Runb4itstolate Brother i believe that whatever you put infront of WOMEN in general or to a feminist (Well those specially who come to these sites will always divert with the phrase “I am not a feminist. Period”) they would instantly shout Misogyny. I have seen it first hand and experienced it in reality, What history says its wrong according to women “In general” history is written by Men and they won’t write the truth about female oppression (Oh My patriarchy! RUN WOMEN RUN, Patriarchy will eat you up) there judgements, their arguments, their so called facts are driven by their emotional senses, their fictions are what made them felt oppressed and subjugated and their fear for “Not Having it all” have driven them to justify the socalled MYTH of MALE DOMINANCE (Which is another form of PATRIARCHY RUN WOMEN RUN!) i Mean i dont see them inferior nor i feel insecure of “strong” and “independent” women but REALLY i am SHOULD i be afraid of their traits when i speak of FACTS (even those whom were written BY THESE Politically correct state institutes and their feminist sisters) I mean when ever you point them to something in which the facts are shown about female socalled objectification, sexual liberation, women voting BLA BLA BLA… they get defensive with words like “Misogyny” “Women haters”, i mean when i speak of MEN’s RIGHTS they see WOMEN HATING in that (Should i take them seriously, I mean what is EQUALITY, Isn’t it Men and Women Rights? or its something else).

              I am really happy that more and more MEN are waking up and are seeing the true light because not only we MEN have to stand up to these kind of false traits on MANHOOD and masculinity but we have to totally destroy the traditional masculinity which speaks of MALE DISPOSABILITY, I am against all those social norms that bounds MALE of being a disposable asset to a women or societies whim, NO MEN IS OBLIGATED TO BE A SLAVE and perform what other wants him to, he is the master of his own life, he has choices just like the women, he has rights just like the women, he is EQUAL infront of Law and society and he shouldn’t be whipped if he doesn’t fulfill what other’s tell him too (A WOMAN CAN BE A SINGLE MOTHER, SLUT, HOOKER, WHORE, BABY KILLER, HUSBAND KILLER, MISANDRIST FOOL, MEN HATER but A MAN SHOULDN’T HAVE CHOICES FOR HIMSELF! TO THOSE SOCIAL NORMS I SAY FUCK YOU!) he is seen as a burden on society and a evil men and in some cases a destructible forces out to destroy society YAH like single motherhood on state welfare is a medal of honor for a society.

              Byfar I am happy that your writing an e-book (Do Share it with me and other guys here) and really your an articulated guy (But the funny thing is WE as men know each other’s qualities BUT today’s women are so naive that they dont know what makes a MAN a MAN :D i can even bet my millions that they dont even know what makes a WOMAN a WOMAN, just look at Mr Nicole’s definition of an actual woman :D ).

              Thanks again Bud (Yes we men call each other buds, dude, guy, asshole and many other sarcastic nick names but we never whine and cry about it but ya saying CUPCAKE, PRINCESS, DARLING :D and even in some cases women dont like the word lady :D Stupidity as no boundaries i tell ya).

              This reply is for Runb4itstolate and its not directed to any narcissistic, egocentric, feminist butt hurt but if you take it on yourself then i have no objection to it :D GOOD DAY.

              Gamerp4

              August 16, 2012 at 10:33 am

              • Well thank you much dude lol for the encouraging words.. the above was actually taken from many resources and historical ones at that..Also in which pieces other men have come out with also. However the rest of my writing is from the heart.
                What I write on here is not so much in what my book will be geared to what I write here is just recreation:). My book is more geared to waking up men to the lies and manipulations women use to control men in relationships and in general. Information that can be used to protect men from the harm of today’s feminist society.It will also list every scam known that women use to bring down men in marriage relationships and in general..It will also put out the real history of how this began and what to do to make it end! i will be sure to put the link here to the web site when all is complete. Also my website will not be a blog site it will be just for the e-book so the fem’s will have to actually buy the book and pay me to argue it if they really feel the need to lol.
                I seriously believe no matter what will happen in the end despite the consequences that men have a RIGHT to know what is going on around them,why and how it is happening. I am so sick of hearing this whoa is me crying crap from women while men get the shit end of the stick it is ridiculous.
                Same goes for these mangina’s that are so oblivious to it they couldn’t see it if you hit them with a brick the only thing they can see is chewed up roast beef between her legs controlling him, believe me I come across a lot of these men everyday.
                As I have said before if women want such equality men will wake up and give it to them the same “so called equality” that has been given to men for a long time now. They wanted it its only fair that they receive it in all of its glory. It is time that the one road made by feminism and its idiocy against men be made a two lane highway.
                I think it is actually funny that “princess’ is such a demeaning word now to women.Now I can see a man taking offense to being called that so in that I rest my case oh what a manly web of women feminism has weaved. But yet not really manly because as you said men can call each other sarcastic names but we do not cry so hmm what would you call them then?maybe a hybrid creature of confusion?.
                I totally agree with your words and am glad to see other men in the fight for equal rights:)
                Maybe more men should actually get on some the 100,s of fem sites and man bashing sites and speak up since they love to do so on the few sites men have.the only thing is when they come on ours they say nothing of significance.Good day to you to:)

                Runb4itstolate

                August 16, 2012 at 11:25 am

                • I agree that feminism has created a generation of women who think it’s okay to abuse men to come out ahead. I believe in equality but that’s not what feminism is about anymore.

                  Matt

                  August 18, 2012 at 5:55 am

  15. ok teresa aka princess(Actually no, not nothing. It’s just that I have a social life and wasn’t able to reply to your post in an hour. I know this is a foreign concept to you, who was sitting at home alone on a Saturday night without a girlfriend or even friends, just waiting for me to reply to you. How sad for you.)

    Some men work 7 days a week and can also multi task doing things such as this.Ah yes I forgot it was the weekend when women go out and prey on the manginas or seek out the alpha males to be banged real hard to make that roast beef into corned beef:.

    (You whine about how all you’re doing is treating women like equals by being so nasty, but then you can’t even take it when it’s thrown back at you. You are the ones who STARTED with the name-calling, etc., and you can’t even deal with it when it comes back in your direction, accusing the women who do it of hating and oppressing men. If you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen!)

    Who is whining?have you looked at yourself in the mirror today?I am not the one here that seems to not be able to deal with this.Oh and yes I cook a mean dinner thank in the kitchen thank you:)

    (There is some truth to your long argument about how men are treated like second class citizens where children are involved, but like I said you lose all credibility when you blame things like higher suicide rates among men and boys struggling in school on feminism. I will ask again, do you have ANY evidence to support these assertions? If you do, cite your sources and maybe you won’t look like you’re so full of crap.)

    Yes I am just so full of crap these day I needed an enema lol. Here is a more recent ratio of male to female suicides.Even though this is just a minor piece of the issue you have spoken against me and my fellow men. Men………..25,907
    Women……6,730
    http://www.suicide.org...

    runb4itstolate

    August 19, 2012 at 5:51 pm

  16. (It boils down to cognitive differences between men and women, not the fact that men are oppressed.There is also research that shows that boys not doing as well in school boils down to cognitive and behavioral differences as well, rather than them feeling like they’re going to be oppressed when they grow up so there’s no point in studying. *eyeroll*
    I’m sure this post is going to get thumbed down and get vitriolic replies, just because I disagree with you and don’t subscribe to the whole “woe is me being a man” theory. Never mind that I actually provided some support for what I was saying, which you have yet to do.)

    Not the fact that men are oppressed?eye roll?In which I have yet to do?Well I did post a lengthy piece of cake but I guess that was not enough.And of course being a feminist you want support to make sure I am not a mangina lol.Ok…

    1 in 4 women is raped, sexually assaulted, battered or abused – is a lie [1]

    The wage gap – is a lie [2][3]

    Women’s historical oppression – is a lie

    Rape culture – is a lie[4][5]

    The inherent violence of masculinity – is a lie

    The inherent goodness of femininity – is a lie

    The idea that feminism is about equality – is a lie
    {SUPPORT}
    [1]: http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2011/02/one-in-four-lie-demolished-once-and-for.html

    [2]: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704415104576250672504707048.html?mod=wsj_share_reddit

    [3]: http://consad.com/index.php?page=an-analysis-of-reasons-for-the-disparity-in-wages-between-men-and-women

    [4]: http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv09.pdf

    [5]: http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv10.pdf

    runb4itstolate

    August 19, 2012 at 5:54 pm

  17. {Here is another perfect example of your independent sisters}
    Feminists on the attack in Vancouver
    There is quite a bit to make comment on regarding this incident, but there is a chronology here that in my opinion literally speaks for itself.

    Man puts up posters saying that men have human rights.
    Feminists attack posters and start tearing them down
    An authorized person intervenes and instructs them to stop
    The feminists physically assault him.
    Police are called to the scene because of the assault
    The strong and empowered feminists literally start crying like forlorn waifs, claiming to feel threatened by the bad, bad pieces of paper that say men are human.
    AVfM is targeted by police for investigation of hate crimes, rather than make an arrest for an unprovoked and clearly illegal assault.

    Hmm when was the last time anyone heard of an assault on a women’s rights activist? But I do see some similarity here with some women’s posts in the mentality area.

    runb4itstolate

    August 19, 2012 at 5:56 pm

  18. http://thedamnedoldeman.com/?p=3325 Get to know yourself a little and see why men can see you for what you are especially being you all act the same and say the same along with the world you have created.Also see part two on how we as a society is equal to that of a culture based on feminism.

    runb4itstolate

    August 19, 2012 at 5:57 pm

  19. {Domestic Violence laws} Yes women are just so independent and are angelic for being so!

    FACT: According to nationwide CPS statistics, the largest percentage of child abuse/neglect is perpetrated by the mother, acting alone. Remember Andrea Yates, Susan Smith, Darlie Routier? Fathers are far less
    likely to be child abuse/neglect perpetrators. In other words, children are safer from child abuse/neglect with their fathers than with their mothers.http://www.fathers4kids.com/html/DomesticViolence.htm

    runb4itstolate

    August 19, 2012 at 5:58 pm

  20. For the men you might learn something in this.http://exposingfeminism.wordpress.com/shaming-tactics/

    runb4itstolate

    August 20, 2012 at 7:17 am

  21. You can sit and state your feminist opinion all day with nothing to back it but more feminist mumble jumble.But in reality I have spoken for Mens Rights for a long while now and yet to see any substantive counter-arguments nor arguments whatsover of any known facts based on what comes out of any women’s mouth.I have spoken nicely and not so nicely upon these subjects but either way how I speak is my prerogative not yours or anyone elses.

    Before you reply like a half loaded shot gun I would suggest you gather your thoughts because I will be happy to go round after round with you with plenty of support. However I am tired of repeating myself on someones opinion that I have heard time and time again simply because you women all come from the same thread and say almost the same exact things. Sort of like robots only difference is your puppet master is not men but feminism.

    runb4itstolate

    August 20, 2012 at 10:10 am

    • http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/mens-rights-is-a-joke

      I agree with this. In short, stop whining. You are not oppressed. White men rule the world. And now, not only are you taking that advantage for granted, you have the nerve to speak up and act like you’re being abused as men, when in fact, you have access to the best jobs, leadership positions, etc. – advantages that women are denied every damn day. You are whining about nothing, like a little baby. STFU and get the **** over it.

      Teresa

      August 22, 2012 at 4:52 pm

      • OOH one link of feminist jarble got more princess? Something with some graphs maybe some statistics? How a bout something about what an entire culture is going through right now due to the american poison of feminism?If not I would be glad to assist you with about 50 links to it? I would say I would give you a plane ticket to the place..But I do not waste my money on feminists..( STFU and get the **** over it.) yes with that mouth I bet you are very talented with it!!! and yes I JUST FCKNG SAID AS I DID SIMPLY BECAUSE IT WOULD BE EQUAL IN THIS MATTER! Especially by a post with a link that has nothing that backs it but crap!Like what princess here wrote..Under all of my statistics I might add…

        runb4itstolate

        August 22, 2012 at 4:58 pm

        • What we call crap like what princess up here has shown. MAKE IT UP AS YOU GO FEMINISM>>Feminism’s cream of factoid soup:)

          This is what Feminism does to a country that gets introduced to feminism to rapidly!

          INSAAF attributes the tremendous increase in suicides of Indian married males to the complete lack of understanding and unavailability of remedies on the issue of domestic violence against men in India.
          National Crime Records Bureau – Ministry of Home affairs Suicide Statistics
          Year Married Men Married Women

          2010 61453 31754
          2009 57639 30224
          2008 58192 31300
          2007 57593 30064

          Sadly, similar numbers apply to Australia as well who also decided to follow into this glorified via media path of greatness from this society of feminism.

          runb4itstolate

          August 22, 2012 at 5:15 pm

      • Teresa i get it you DUMB and EVEN DUMBER than average women, You are not even in the league of chimpanzee because obviously NO MEN OR WOMEN IS OPPRESSED but you are so much into your emotions that you cry oppression every second of your life which is why you always feel that some MEN somewhere is oppressing you (My My fear can really be detrimental to someones mental state).

        Clearly your brain is so much into shit that now you cannot put 2 and 2 together for you every male (with a penis that is) is so privileged that he is born with a silver spoon in his mouth and every female is born with a dick out to RAPE HER or oppressor her, This mentality of your is sickening and this is why i say feminist have fucked up women so much that now they cannot think rationally and when somebody shows them the mirror they bark at the said person like he has just oppressed her, FOR ME your incoherent responses are enough to digest, the above link you posted clearly doesnt have any true history to prove what you claim to be women oppression (AND MY its looks like its from tumblr :D hahahahaha).

        Can i ask you a personal question if thats ok WHAT IS YOUR AGE?.

        Gamerp4

        August 23, 2012 at 2:08 am

  22. Hmm but men run the world? As princesses little link states? hahahha ludicrous..Google this…The government is murdering men’s fundamental rights and driving them to commit suicide. According to the National Crime Record Bureau (NCRB) reports, suicide rate among men is four times more than that of women and the incidents of men’s suicides have been increasing over the last 17 years.”

    All you have to do is turn on your tv even to something that as simple as a tv series and see who rules the world..

    I could rip apart right now many media shows that down men where women are upheld and sacred along with thousands of movies.wanna play?.Hmm maybe I should post a list of that as well..

    I am very good at board games especially chess,”board games”something many have forgotten for along time now.But i know how to play the game Equally. Why? I learned by watching what goes on around me rather then take everything for granted especially that the destruction of a species is for a better cause!

    runb4itstolate

    August 22, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    • Again, you have NO proof that the suicide rates have anything to do with feminism, you just keep going on and on about that with no evidence whatsoever.

      Teresa

      August 22, 2012 at 9:00 pm

      • http://rebukingfeminism.blogspot.com/2009/03/male-suicide-rates-on-epidemic-climb.html,,and let me ask princess do you have anything close to the stats i have posted on your female agenda? or are you trying to fight fire with water once again? or maybe just making soup?

        runb4itstolate

        August 22, 2012 at 10:00 pm

        • oh and actually i gave u another child link suicide link around the top of the page..But yet u keep harping on this,,But yet I am yet to see anything even on my first long post or anything else on here?hmmm now now teresa shame on you…

          runb4itstolate

          August 22, 2012 at 10:06 pm

        • No wait or maybe you will give another link where women have converted men to manginas to help women’s agenda? and also talk basically about the extinction of men?Keep giving me sites by the way I would love to use some of that in my book lol..also the interesting thing in your link is the same battering of men language hmmm…

          runb4itstolate

          August 22, 2012 at 10:42 pm

  23. And yes for those who may not understand what i just said ( I learned by watching what goes on around me rather then take everything for granted especially that the destruction of a species is for a better cause!) I mean I can post 1,000s of sites right now written by women that state this world would be better ruled by the female species. Also stating that men basically need to be decimated so whoever wants to fight me on this bring the noise and I will happily post these very many sites that take up much of my bookmarks on my browser!

    runb4itstolate

    August 22, 2012 at 6:57 pm

  24. I figured I would just post this sort of like a light house in the fog just in case I am just being unintelligent lol.Here are some search stats that you can even try on your own.I actually tried this on my own and got even more results on how to manipulate men. It seems to me sites like these pop up at a extravagant rate. Just in this alone shows a very nice agenda here does it not?

    “how to manipulate men” had 239,000 results.

    “how to manipulate women” had 31,900 results.

    runb4itstolate

    August 23, 2012 at 8:10 am

    • But also a study was done on the search criteria between 2010-2011 on how close the numbers are getting to be the same. In some ways that is a good thing shows the equality principle I have talked about. But the deep part in all this is the numbers show who began this mess..

      runb4itstolate

      August 23, 2012 at 8:21 am

  25. I surely believe “equality” is the best remedy for this situation in every way shape and form.Its the only thing that will work even know some of it might not be pretty. Well I have to go and visit a friend that is in jail because he tried to protect his daughter from being beaten by his wife. Hmm interesting huh? Question is why is he in jail and not her? its been fun but the women on here are starting to bore me Ill be sure to check back sometime.By then maybe the women will have left some comments seeing I am gone hahahhaha! good luck men..

    runb4itstolate

    August 23, 2012 at 8:40 am

    • Sorry but if you men expect women to give up their careers to raise children, it’s only fair that the mother is the default parent with sole custody in the case of a divorce. You can’t have your cake and eat it too – expect your wife to be a stay at home mom and then expect equal custody in the case that you get divorced. Also, she’s the one who carried that baby for nine months, not you – so she innately and naturally has a stronger connection to it and should be the default parent (obviously as long as she’s not abusive). It may not be fair but that’s reality.

      If you’re all for her having a career while being a mother, or if you’re a stay at home dad, it’s a different story. If one parent has sole custody, it should be the one the kid has a stronger relationship with. And because of the way families usually operate, that parent is usually the mother.

      It is true that mothers are more likely to abuse their children BUT that is only because mothers are the ones who spend the most time with children. Accounting for the differences in time spent with the children, fathers and especially stepfathers tend to be more abusive. I agree that the bias towards mothers in custody cases can sometimes be unfair, but for the most part, given most mothers’ relatively larger roles in the children’s lives, that’s how it should be.

      Meredith

      August 24, 2012 at 8:26 pm

      • Meredith thanks for posting.

        nswahine

        August 25, 2012 at 5:07 pm

        • I though you believe in Shared Custody and Parenting? and here you are encouraging her thoughts of MOTHER HAVING SOLE CUSTODY? DO YOU SUPPORT HER CALL OF MOTHER HAVING SOLE CUSTODY and SHE HAS ALL THE RIGHTS TO ABUSE, BARE, RESTRICT her children from their father because she carried them for nine months?

          Is that what you support?

          Gamerp4

          August 26, 2012 at 7:00 am

          • This above response if to JANELLE (Miss nswahine)

            Gamerp4

            August 26, 2012 at 7:01 am

      • >Sorry but if you men expect women to give up their careers to raise children, it’s only fair that the mother is the default parent with sole custody in the case of a divorce. You can’t have your cake and eat it too – expect your wife to be a stay at home mom and then expect equal custody in the case that you get divorced.

        Nobody expect women to “GIVEUP” anything but basically it is the women who have the choice of either pursuing her career or just staying put and having a cake and eat it herself YES! Women have choices and MEN have responsibilities, Women are mostly giving up their careers in masses when they marry read this study

        dailymail(.)co(.)uk/news/article-1251873/What-women-want-2010-A-husband-wholl-main-breadwinner.html

        Quote:Young mothers are turning their backs on high-powered careers to raise their children, a study has found. Their mothers, or even grandmothers, lived through a time when women fought for full-time work and better pay. But today’s generation is returning to the traditional values of home and family – and looking to men to be the breadwinners.

        and this is not just there is another thing that today women want read this quote

        guardian(.)co(.)uk/commentisfree/2011/jan/23/heather-mcgregor-women-want-careers

        Quote: The eminent LSE sociologist Catherine Hakim recently published a paper that appears to suggest that, as a result, feminism is dead and most women now want to marry a rich husband and stay at home. This, in turn, has spawned acres of print, with Grazia magazine asking their readers to choose between ambition and “man-bition”, and other papers describing the stay-at-home wife as the “ultimate luxury” for a successful man.

        yes apparently women today are flocking for rich husband (Which in this world of manosphere is named HYPERGAMY do a little dictionary on this word and you would find the meaning of it) Not only this women are enjoying choices after choices for them to choose, they have so many options in their list that they are checking all of that and naming it “HAVING IT ALL”, They have choices like, BEING A STAY AT HOME WIFE, SINGLE MOTHERHOOD (85% of single parents are women), CAREER MINDED FREAKS or LIVING ON STATE FUNDINGS (Namely birth control pills, abortion and free tax payers money for single mothers).

        So all this means is WOMEN ARE THE ONES WHO ARE HAVING THEIR CAKES AND EATING IT TOO and guess where that cakes comes from, 1. hard working husband, 2. Rich Husband, 3. Tax Payers money handed to them by the state.

        And there is another fact that is WOMEN ARE THE SOLE INITIATORS OF DIVORCES (75%) and this is why they are the worst parent to a child because MEN dont divorce like women do and which is the worst child abuse ever (Yah keeping and restricting a child from ever having a happy relationship with their fathers is a CHILD ABUSE) and women are doing it with all the backing from feminism, State laws, and WOMEN LIKE YOURSELF who has just stated that just because she STAYS HOME TO NURSE THE KID SHE SHOULD RECEIVE THE SOLE CUSTODY (SOLE CUSTODY you know the meaning right).

        >Also, she’s the one who carried that baby for nine months, not you – so she innately and naturally has a stronger connection to it and should be the default parent (obviously as long as she’s not abusive). It may not be fair but that’s reality.

        so by the sheer power of her carrying the baby she is the default parent to the child and the man HER HUSBAND, THE CHILD FATHER has no legal and natural right on his/her children? YAH which is why i said that all the women are narcissistic today because they think that just because they can carry a child in their body they have the RIGHT TO ABORTION, TO ADOPTION, TO KILLING, TO ABUSING their children, and the father in the question (FROM WHOSE SPERM THE CHILD WAS CONCEIVED, YAH GUESS WHAT THE WOMEN IS NOT THE REAL OWNER) has no right to SAY anything. I totally reject your so called opinion that “she innately and naturally has a stronger connection” because it is not true there are many women who have outrightly abused their children and even today studies are showing that more and more women are child abusers and they surpass men in this sense i feel that your opinion can be objected.

        Please read this study

        http://www.metro.co.uk/home/764937-rise-in-women-child-abusers

        http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/oct/04/uk-female-child-sex-offenders

        And again i say that NO father and mother in the case of divorce SHOULD RECEIVE EQUAL CUSTODY and not one should be barred or

        restricted from their childs life either they be the mother or father, BUT YOUR NOTION that just because she gave birth to it SHE IS THE OWNER OF THAT SAID CHILD is utterly preposterous.

        “If you’re all for her having a career while being a mother, or if you’re a stay at home dad, it’s a different story. If one parent has sole custody, it should be the one the kid has a stronger relationship with. And because of the way families usually operate, that parent is usually the mother.”

        As i said read it up there YOUR NOTION OF SOLE CUSTODY is CHILD ABUSE and UTTERLY PREPOSTEROUS, not because you discriminate against fathers (WHICH YOU DO and YOU DO STRONGLY DISDAIN FATHERS maybe you have restricted your child’s father from meeting her/him which is why you stated such an idiot idea) but you also discriminate the right of a child to know his/her mother or father which mostly shows your hating nature.

        Gamerp4

        August 26, 2012 at 6:58 am

        • Those studies are in the UK, no one should believe anything from the UK, LOL! I for one couldn’t care less if women had 20 careers.. which is just a Sexy way of saying they have a JOB. Too Funny “Career” it’s a freakin job. Career – To work until you are old and crusty or until they lay you sorry A$$ off. Career, can you spell it.
          I can cook for myself, I can clean my own home, iron my own clothes, cook my own meals, drive my own car, finished with my degree, go on more vacations without the extra baggage. Keep my money that I worked for. Date as many women as I want. Eat healthy, Play sports, Member of a Mens Group no Eggs Allowed. I will take being selfish with mine, over letting some EGG come in and take half. Better to live well ..than to live miserable in marriage. There are lots of advantages MEN, to never marrying. You get more time to date different women, your bank account gets bigger. Your credit will get better. Why spend for two, when you can spend for one and do double the stuff you do compared to being Ball and Chained out.

          SavingMoreMoneySingle

          August 26, 2012 at 3:45 pm

          • SavingMoreMoneySingle – Your post reminds why I am coming to believe more and more that women who have sexual relationships outside of marriage deeply shortchange themselves and hurt society in general. Marriage is the staple of the family unit and families are the building block of society. If women continue to have sex before marriage, men will avoid marriage since they can obtain the benefits without accepting any of the responsibilities, and society will continue to decline. Marriage requires men to use some of their money to buy things for other people. In other words, marriage is not for the self-centered type.

            Janelle Anderson

            August 27, 2012 at 11:08 am

            • What you think about meredith Janelle? Do you support Sole custody or Equal Custody Rights? because your confusing all of the men here, not only in few months back you responded to me that you support 50/50 child custody for both parents but here you are encourage a narcissistic woman like Meredith who believes that just because a woman gives birth to the child she is the “owner” of that child and she can choose whether father is needed in the said child life or not.

              I mean are you a confused woman or are you just plain ignorant because obviously your ignoring my responses which i have no problem at all because i can read the fear in your post and all these women who come here are just making bogus claims, shaming, insulting, name calling and personal attacking people here (Your included) which is why i stand on my guard that NOT TO TRUST ANY WOMAN there is no such thing as NAWALT (Not all woman are like that) because when the sunset’s all women are the same, they cannot play a decent role in society nor they like to help healing it, they love to destroy it though.

              Gamerp4

              August 27, 2012 at 12:47 pm

            • Exactly why men are going on a marriage strike women done screwed up and simply are no longer marriage material. Thank yourselves for destroying the marriage unit with your liberation no one else .

              Anonymous

              August 28, 2012 at 11:17 am

              • I’d rather be a free, single, career minded gal who owns her own home then married to a skanky guy who thinks that he has the right to control me by virtue of him having a dick. No thanks. My money is mine, I own my own property in an affluent neighborhood, I’m child-free (look it up geniuses), and I have my looks and my figure because I didn’t birth any babies or kiss some guy’s ass. I have a good retirement nest egg, too. See guys? It does go both ways. You might think all women are sneaky and dishonest, but some of us who are honest don’t want the likes of YOU. You don’t respect me? Fine. I don’t respect YOU.

                Anonymous

                August 30, 2012 at 3:04 pm

                • [Yawn] – every woman who posts here winds up bragging about her looks, how much money she makes, etc etc. Pics or you’re nothing but a flat-chested single mom eating dog food in your double-wide.

                  Anatoli

                  August 31, 2012 at 9:22 pm

                  • You want to think that of me, go for it. I know better :)

                    What is a double wide?

                    Anonymous

                    September 2, 2012 at 1:04 pm

                • Well Good for you, I would say “YOU GO GRRRL!”

                  But one thing i want to confirm to you is that YOUR LOOKS are limited and they wont fade because of kids but Time and your age will mold your facial features and at that day YOU will foresee that “A Future Alone is a FUTURE to mourn” but alas who am i to force a “Strong” “Independent” Woman like you into my Man made concept but bare this in mind that TODAY MEN ARE THE ONE’S WHO ARE SHRUGGING MARRIAGE Cupcake NOT YOU.

                  Good Luck with your life.

                  Anonymous

                  September 2, 2012 at 5:51 am

                  • Sure, my looks are limited by time. YOUR looks are limited by time, too. So what? The point I was trying to make is that I CHOOSE to be alone, rather than be told how to live by somebody else. You want some woman to tell you how to live? Well, it goes both ways. I don’t want any man telling me how to live simply because I was born with a uterus. I make more money than most men, so what would I need one for? I’m not lonely, I’m happy being alone and free. Nobody to tell me what to do, how to live, etc. I can pack up and go to Europe by myself and see things that I want to see, and not have to be bothered with pleasing anybody else but myself. My uncle was the same as me, free all his life. Yeah, there are a lot of women out there just looking for a male wallet to pay the bills. I’ve seen some of those types. But not all of us.

                    Anonymous

                    September 2, 2012 at 1:03 pm

                    • I agree with you totally, but don’t expect these morons to understand that. No matter how much you honestly tell them you’re happy without a husband and kids, they’ll continue to insist that there’s some huge void in your life because you’re single. They think any woman who doesn’t choose to become a baby factory right out of school is unfulfilled and sad.

                      I think it’s hilarious that they think they’re such prizes that we can’t live without them. LOL!

                      Teresa

                      September 2, 2012 at 7:34 pm

                    • >”I wouldn’t call the men here imbeciles. I think they have a distrust and dislike of women who are mentally strong and independent. A woman who knows what she wants and goes for it is seen as a threat somehow. They prefer submissive women who will cook, clean, make babies. and screw them upon demand, with no complaints and no demands of their own. They’re not looking for a wife, they’re looking for a new mother.”

                      If only that was TRUE :D i totally want to believe you but i know that my logical mind is ticking with so many notions about today’s so called “Strong” “Independent” woman that i dont want to put it out so that i may be labelled as a misogynist BUT WHO CARES :D

                      Obviously you might think like that BUT WHY you would think like that is a tough question which can only be answered by you because YOUR THE ONE who is questioning that ALL those men who seek foreign brides cannot handle “Strong” “Independent” woman LIKE YOURSELF indeed they cant with all that attitude and male bashing who wants to put his life in a hell with HADES himself (I Dont) but interesting thing is this that WHY? do you care when you stated that you would prefer living single rather than marrying so obviously you shouldn’t be the one SHAMING MEN if they seek a “Submissive” women who cooks, clean and make babies (Which you cant or dont want to do and instead prefer your future spouse IF ANY to do it for yourself and himself).

                      Men from time being have always looked for a partner that can be reasonable enough for them and can put up with them when they had their roughest time of the year, If men seek women that can be their soul mates rather than being their competitive spouses then i dont see that as bad but overall the judgement and opinions are yours and yours only and they dont matter to men at all, If i as a man want a submissive wife then you have no right to say to me that i can’t handle a “strong” “independent” woman BECAUSE I HAVE NO INTEREST IN HANDLING ONE, If i dont criticize your choice of celibacy then you shouldn’t shame me of my choices of seeking a competent wife material.

                      Basically if you any decency then you wont criticize Men who seek quality in a women in your next post because i applaud you for stating that you prefer singleness and celibacy than marriage and i encourage your views to all the women who are visiting this site but you have no right to criticize men of their choices if whatever that may be, clearly you dont want marriage, dont want kids, dont want to put sex on that bastard man’s every demand, dont want to cook or clean after a bastard man and obviously dont want to be a mother to a buffonic man and i admire that but if men are seeking something that is admirable for them then you have no right to do so.

                      Gamerp4

                      September 3, 2012 at 7:22 pm

                  • Many women only get better looking with age, especially if they don’t ruin their bodies with pregnancy. I’m sure she knows what’s right for her better than you do.

                    Oh yeah, and any woman would be better off alone than with a mentally-challenged imbecile such as yourself. :)

                    Teresa

                    September 2, 2012 at 7:28 pm

                    • Is that what you do in your real life, Hate Children, Hate Men. because obviously Pregnancy is a GOD’s Gift and it is given to women for a purpose but Oh Boy your one woman who thinks that this Gift is actually a Curse :D Yicks why dont you do us a favor, never indulge yourself in breeding children, Never produce any because that is what i wish to see after what i have seen you right here and Boy have seen Women support you for your lunacy, Gradually your one women who thinks that Cussing and Abusing and Cursing on Men here is “Fighting Fire with Fire” well guess who created that FIRE yah MEN and we can use it WELL even MORE creatively than you but we are sane enough to know when the discussion is leaving the intellectual platform as for

                      you, I am done with MORONS here.

                      “They think any woman who doesn’t choose to become a baby factory right out of school is unfulfilled and sad.”

                      Hehehe You think Women today are following your pattern, As i said look into reality and your surroundings take heeds to whats happening in the real world NOT IN YOUR FANTASY ONE, YOUR UTOPIAN ONE, women are flocking to get pregnant even before they reach age of maturity wanna know something about who is the majority of single mothers in America.

                      http://www.webster.edu/~woolflm/singlemothers.html

                      Quotes: (Please Read my responses before responding with anything that isnt SCIENTIFIC at all has you have done down there with your response on SPERM being the criminal in BIRTH DEFECTS because science and stats says that it is the older women’s eggs that are the culprits, the only thing that Old Sperm do to a child health is make them Autistic, Schizophrenic But oh WELL that is not Birth Defect but Older Women EGGS are more dangerous to a CHILD’s Health than OLDER MEN’s SPERM”)

                      1.>The UK has the highest number of unmarried teenage mothers in the world.

                      2 >22% of girls 15-18 who have had sexual intercourse will become pregnant.

                      3 >About 13% of all US births are to teenage mothers, rising to 33% of all girls who have had less than 10-12 years of schooling.

                      Please read this study which proofs that Teen Pregnancy is ON THE RISE http://crihb.org/files/statistic_on_teen_pregnancy.pdf

                      And one more thing we dont think BUT WE KNOW that any women who discards marriage and child birth in their teens that is 18 to 28 years of their age would feel the urge and hurdles after that because not only she is going to face the extremes of this world’s realities but she would know that what ever she choose to do so in expense of marriage and child bearing was not worth it but alas it is the choice of women to do whatever she seeks and as i said it is the choice of MEN to marry old spinister hags or not and nobody has the right to advice them to MAN UP and marry these SLUTS because NO RESPECTED MEN should be troubled with her for his entire life.

                      >>”but don’t expect these morons to understand that. No matter how much you honestly tell them you’re happy without a husband and kids, they’ll continue to insist that there’s some huge void in your life because you’re single.”

                      Honestly i believe Women should choose single lifestyle and specially WESTERN WOMEN :D i am not against it even i am happy when a woman states that she is putt marriage of her list of “HAVING IT ALL” because not only they are a burden to a MAN’s LIFE, I believe women should adopt the life of celibacy (READ: Western Women) and this might solve our problems ONCE and for all because not only Divorce rates will diminish but there will be no alimony, child support, child custody disputes and not a depressing life for a man to endure.

                      Honestly i believe Western Male should adopt the life of CELIBACY as well totally shun themselves of Western Women not only they should avoid marriage with them but they should avoid any sexual encounter with them (It will solve all those False allegations of Rape reports, False allegations of Domestic Violence report and Men in western countries may have a decent life to live on) But if they can afford to cross the boundaries of their states and cross over to other foreign countries where women are still feminine and accepts Men for being MEN and MASCULINITY with open arms and respond to Chivalry with utmost respect to Men and His accomplishment WELL I SAY GO FOR IT MEN, I even suggest them to marry a foreign women from any non feminist country, Create the life you want to live in, DONT COMPROMISE MEN YOU ARE DOING WHAT NATURE INTENDS YOU TO DO, Be Proud of YOUR MANHOOD AND YOUR MASCULINITY.

                      That is all Miss Terresa but dont take my last paragraph as a response to you it is me addressing MEN here thats all.

                      Gamerp4

                      September 3, 2012 at 2:18 pm

                    • Unfortunately I know many young women who chose the marriage/kids route right out of college. Some are divorced, some are single mothers, and some are still married with the kids. I’ll pass :) I also saw young women who slutted around a lot, and did stupid things. No thanks, I passed again :)

                      Of course I was harassed non-stop at work by women who took me to task for not getting married and making babies. Men never bothered me about that at all. Unfortunately, I’ve seen American men do some rather questionable things to women, and so I will pass on them, too. Most of my friends live in Europe. Most of my family lives there, as I’m a product of European parents, born in the USA.

                      Do you know why some women get better looking with age, like fine cognac? It’s because we stay out of the sun. I’m pale, like Nicole Kidman. I shun the sun. Sunscreen is my best friend from early spring to December. The last time I got any type of burn was in 2001, in Nice. I was in the water for 2 hours starting at 6 p.m., however, I still burned on my face, even with high sunscreen. I intend to be in France next summer for 7 weeks, and I will worship at the Church of Sunblock :)

                      I wouldn’t call the men here imbeciles. I think they have a distrust and dislike of women who are mentally strong and independent. A woman who knows what she wants and goes for it is seen as a threat somehow. They prefer submissive women who will cook, clean, make babies. and screw them upon demand, with no complaints and no demands of their own. They’re not looking for a wife, they’re looking for a new mother.

                      My actions in life harm nobody. I don’t hurt men. Not having children hurts nobody. And, i’m free :)

                      Anonymous

                      September 3, 2012 at 3:49 pm

                    • “any women who discards marriage and child birth in their teens that is 18 to 28 years of their age would feel the urge and hurdles after that because not only she is going to face the extremes of this world’s realities but she would know that what ever she choose to do so in expense of marriage and child bearing was not worth it”
                      *****************************
                      AGAIN, not every woman WANTS to get married and have babies. And there are many women who remain childfree and have ZERO regrets about it. So clearly whatever they chose to do instead WAS worth it. There are also women who have children that never should have had them in the first place and end up abusing/neglecting them.

                      NOT EVERYONE IS MEANT TO BE A PARENT OR WOULD FIND FULFILLMENT IN IT. Maybe if you could just get that through your thick head and freaking respect that not everyone wants the same thing in life, women would stop treating you in the horrible way you think they’re treating you.

                      Oh, and I actually love kids. Just because a woman may not want her own children doesn’t mean she hates them – that is an assumption that only stupid people make. I love kids enough that I wouldn’t want to have my own child who is not wanted.

                      Teresa

                      September 3, 2012 at 5:13 pm

                    • >”AGAIN, not every woman WANTS to get married and have babies. And there are many women who remain childfree and have ZERO regrets about it. So clearly whatever they chose to do instead WAS worth it. There are also women who have children that never should have had them in the first place and end up abusing/neglecting them.”

                      Are you just plain ignorant or are you just a dumb bimbo who doesn’t know what an argument looks like either your skull has no brain in it or you prefer to just smash people without actually getting into the details of discussion, specially after i detailed the HUMAN BIOLOGY TO YOU but it seems your more into women studies than biology and science itself, clearly you are not an advocate for women or are you a leader of women’s movement and every western women follows your whims and demands and you state opinions on behalf of millions of women out there, YOU DON’T GRASP THE WOMEN SYSTEM OF THINKING AND RATIONALITY YET and here you are speaking in a tone that you know deep in your guts is true still you don’t want to acknowledge.

                      Do you want me to post data where Men are duped by women into pregnancy because their biological clock was ticking like an atom bomb, do you want me to put examples of the pre feminist era where women were the sole distributor of DOZEN CHILDREN, you want me to post data about SINGLE MOTHERHOOD, Your many women argument is a total fail because majority of women dont want to remain childless in their old ages :D yah refute that, there are even feminist women who wanted marriage and children when they reach their peak fertile years and this is not just true but it is written facts and by those women who were in feminist movement before they became MOMS and WIFES.

                      And once again i ask you the same question where are the stats and articles and written facts that states that “Not every women wants to get married and have babies” clearly that is absurd because as i read few months ago WOMEN were the sole sex crying about the “Decreasing Population of GOOD MEN” and “Where have all the nice men gone” but leaving that aside YOUR RIGHT WOMEN DONT WANT TO GET MARRIED but it seems they do want to have children because not only 40% childrens are born to unwed mothers but single motherhood is increasing day by day and i doubt that you can refute that with your OPINIONS that women dont want to have babies BECAUSE THE OBVIOUS facts says they do want children whether it be with men they married or outside of marriage and it is becoming a booming business and in other it is the women who is driving all those abortions, adoptions, divorce thefts, alimony thefts, child support and family courts, they are the golden goose of today’s time that are mostly importance for today’s society that is why society and stats does whatever pleases the women and i am just stating a fact.

                      If you think many women dont want marriage and kids well i say AMEN to that, but add my 2 cents to it exclude women of other races and continents and add western infront of women so that it may read that MANY WESTERN “STRONG” “INDEPENDENT” women dont WANTS to get married and have babies and it may well be true and may serve men as GOSPEL and BIBLE itself, i dont want to force women into anything they dont want to do, its happiness of both parties that should be concerned WOMEN ARE HAPPY WITH SINGLENESS and CELIBACY AMEN, MEN ARE HAPPY WITH FOREIGN BRIDES AMEN TO THAT and if some Men follows MGTOW then AMEN to that too.

                      Gamerp4

                      September 3, 2012 at 7:50 pm

      • >It is true that mothers are more likely to abuse their children BUT that is only because mothers are the ones who spend the most time with children. Accounting for the differences in time spent with the children, fathers and especially stepfathers tend to be more abusive.

        So your saying that child abuse is OK if a mother does it because she spends most time with them?, Isn’t this hilarious i mean you won’t justify child abuse of any shape or forum but when the mother does it (Read Study has proven that mother are the most abusers) well that shouldn’t be questioned and her custody (If she got it after divorce) shouldn’t be revoked yah because SHE CARRIED THE SAID CHILD FOR NINE MONTHS which gives her all the legal and natural right to ABORT, GIVE UP FOR ADOPTION, ABUSE OR KILL THE CHILD whenever she pleases and nobody should call her out on that because Miss Meredith as suggested that she spends more time with them and has relatively larger role which is why they tend to child abuse MORE.

        What justification of your gender and how you morally find that right, i mean dont you think that CHILDREN are important more than the said mother who carried them, Let me ask you these questions

        Do you find it right if a mother wants to abort her child? even if the father of the said child wants it and would take care of it and wont put the mother’s “choices” (After all a woman choice matters, children and husband dont matter) in jeopardy? and with that do you still say that she has all the right to abort the child?

        Do you see partial birth abortion and infanticide legal when it is done by the mother? Will you support a movement if it is uplifted by women who want partial birth abortion and infanticide as legal when a mother does it? Is it legal for a mother to murder a grown child if the said child goes out of her boundaries (Your answer should be yes but i know you morally would find it repulsive but you surely say that child abuse is OK when a mother does it because she carried it for nine months and she has the right to sole custody and she can bare, restrict and force a LOVING Father out of his children life).

        “I agree that the bias towards mothers in custody cases can sometimes be unfair, but for the most part, given most mothers’ relatively larger roles in the children’s lives, that’s how it should be.”

        There is no bias towards mothers in custody cases, are you living in a fantasy world or in a truman show because (90%) times the mother gets the default custody because all those judges in the family court think LIKE YOU that she has carried the said child for nine months which is why she has the right to the children and the LOVING father well he was just a SPERM DONATER and he shouldn’t be in the children’s life, Well after reading this that the mothers relatively have larger roles in the childrens lives I AM just curious to ask you WHAT IS THE ROLE OF A FATHER in THE CHILDRENS LIVES? is he a protector and provide, a sperm donater? because after reading your comment i can only see the HUMANITY AND MORALITY OF MOTHER but NO HUMANITY OR MORALITY OF FATHER can be seen or described from your above post.

        You feel that the only role a man has in his children’s life is a sperm donater (I like that word because feminist use it often) and he shouldn’t have any role in the children’s life and the mother should get the sole custody (ONLY when she is not abusive BUT CLEARLY YOU SAID THAT MORE AND MORE WOMEN ARE ABUSIVE NOWADAYS, so dont you see that as a discrimination against father because a LOVING father is discarded for AN ABUSIVE MOTHER, but you sure dont see that as a bias toward father because as for you mother play a relatively larger role and father dont have any role at all). I am a father who has 2 children and I LOVE them and i can bet i LOVE THEM more than their mother BUT for you I DONT PLAY A RELATIVELY LARGER ROLE in their life but their mother does, Isnt that discrimination and father hating, Dont you see yourself in contradiction, Dont you feel a child should have both parents equally having a role in his/her life.

        This whole response to you was not tiresome nor was it too much confusing because i can clearly read YOUR DISDAIN and DISCRIMINATION against father but i didn’t knew that western women today are so much into feminist shit that they dont even care about their CHILD’S LIFE and what MATTERS for their child for them it is ALL ABOUT THEM, what if the child wants a father and wants to know his father, and what if the loving father wants to know his child and wants to have a role in his life.

        You dont know the POWER OF LOVE BETWEEN A MAN AND HIS CHILDREN YET Meredith, WHAT FEMINISM has taught you was a LIE and YOU BELIEVED IT but surely A FATHER LOVES TO PROVIDE, PROTECT AND EVEN SACRIFICE for HIS CHILDREN (If MAN SACRIFICED FOR WOMAN THAN THEY DO IT IN A STROKE FOR THE CHILDREN THEY SIRRED).

        Gamerp4

        August 26, 2012 at 7:34 am

      • What a load of crap!(It is true that mothers are more likely to abuse their children BUT that is only because mothers are the ones who spend the most time with children. )This does not even make sense! So I guess that means then women are automatic child abusers?(Sorry but if you men expect women to give up their careers to raise children, it’s only fair that the mother is the default parent with sole custody in the case of a divorce)Actually what is fare is men not marrying a western woman to even get divorced.

        runb4itstolate

        September 4, 2012 at 9:07 am

  26. “I know a few women who married VERY young, 14 and 15. The 14-year-old married the owner of a local Dog ‘n’ Suds where she had a part-time job. The 15-year-old married a 23-year-old man who owns a gun store and is a talented gunsmith. ”

    Since when is this even legal??? So now feminism is bad and pedophilia is okay? Where the hell were these girls’ parents when this was going on??

    Yeah both genders are smiling most likely because they’re too stupid to know any better. They sound like two trailer trash couples to me.

    You can’t “have it all” as a woman if you’re restricted to starting your career in your 40s. It’s just not possible. Not to mention – if a 35 year old man doesn’t find a woman his own age desirable, why should a woman in her early 20s desire a man so much older? Older men’s sperm increases the likelihood of birth defects too.

    This article is basically assuming that women are willing to settle for things that any man would be insulted to even have suggested to him. I seriously doubt most 20 year old men would be interested in marrying 30 something women and putting off careers into their 40s – so why is it presented as such an easy solution for the woman to do so? Ridiculous.

    Teresa

    August 25, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    • “Since when is this even legal??? So now feminism is bad and pedophilia is okay? Where the hell were these girls’ parents when this was going on??”

      You do know that many women today are PEDOPHILES?

      http://www.rip-factor.com/fempeds.html

      The list is just increasing some of these women are empowered, strong and independent feminist so ya feminism and pedophilia runs in the same veins of these women, Maybe you are so damaged up there in the brain quarter that you cannot see that clearly but this list proofs that women are the major child abusers and pedophiles than MEN ever were.

      “Yeah both genders are smiling most likely because they’re too stupid to know any better. They sound like two trailer trash couples to me.”

      Yah and you know more better than anybody here you cannot even write a comment without cussing anybody or insulting someone.

      >You can’t “have it all” as a woman if you’re restricted to starting your career in your 40s. It’s just not possible.

      No woman can “have it all” it is feminist and woman like yourself who have made fantasies about some prince charming, hypergamy, career and kids and a big mansion at the beach, every men knows that fantasies are not real nor real life is about dreams but women today are so delusional that they write articles about “HOW TO HAVE IT ALL” and nobody is forcing or fencing women to achieve a career they can start it whenever they like but dont WHINE if you donot get what is in the list of “HAVING IT ALL” because not everything can be checked and done, LIFE is not about doing what is best for you because marriage is a commitment and a loving and partnering relationship where two people join in for life but NOWADAYS woman like yourself and feminist have made marriage something else where the women are brainwashed into thinking that it is ALL ABOUT THEM and husband and children are just step ladders to step in and claim your prize YAH THAT IS “HAVING IT ALL”, I donot restrict or force women to marry early nor i restrict them of careerism they can go after career all they like but THEY DONT HAVE THE RIGHT to write articles and editorials about how they are having trouble finding husband and how they are reaching their end of fertility window because MEN have choices and rights too they are not sheeps that women can control whenever they choose to “settle down” because MEN have all the right to commit or not to a “CAREER MINDED” women who wasted her best productive years on her selfish ways, so MEN can choose whomever they find they are attractive too.

      “Not to mention – if a 35 year old man doesn’t find a woman his own age desirable, why should a woman in her early 20s desire a man so much older? Older men’s sperm increases the likelihood of birth defects too.”

      Actually no it is the nature and biology that is to be blamed here MEN are just following what nature has made them to do “TO MATE WITH THE MOST FERTILE AND ATTRACTIVE WOMEN” you cannot force man to marry a old spinster hag just because he is a man, MEN like WOMEN have choices and rights to whomever they find attractive to be committed too, YOU DON’T HAVE ANY RIGHT to tell men what they should and shouldn’t do and NO many women who find 35 year old man attractive do have relationship with them (READ EXAMPLES: Harrison Ford (70), Mel Gibson (56), George Clooney (51), Brad Pitt (48) Go and do a search on Male celebrities who have flings with women who were their daughters ages).

      These are just reel life examples i can post many examples which i have seen among my friends and colleagues who had been into relationships more then i can remember so your theory about WHY SHOULD A WOMAN DESIRE A MAN OLDER can only be answered if you look into reality and around yourself, Biology and nature are the culprits not PATRIARCHY (Which is a creature live’s on mars) but again i say that it is not the MEN’s SPERM that increases birth defects YAH! blame MEN but science says something else yes please read these following QUOTES

      Quote 1: The risk of having a baby with chromosomal disorders increase as a woman grows older. The most common of these disorders is Down syndrome, a combination of mental retardation and physical abnormalities caused by the presence of an extra chromosome. At age 25, a woman has about a 1-in-1, 250 chance of having a baby with Down syndrome; at age 30, a 1-in-1,000 chance; at age 35, a 1-in-400 chance; at age 40, a 1-in-100 chance; and at 45, a 1-in-30 chance.

      Quote 2:The association between fetal chromosomal abnormalities and older maternal age has been widely researched and established. The older a woman decides to have a child, the greater the chances of her baby being conceived with a chromosomal defect such as Down’s Syndrome. This is because a woman’s eggs age as she ages. Older eggs are more prone to forming embryos with either too many or too few chromosomes. This is the reason why older women have a greater rate for infertility, miscarriages and babies with chromosomal birth defects. Many embryonic chromosomal abnormalities in women undergoing IVF can be detected using PGD or preimplantation genetic diagnosis.

      Quote 3:The average age of women giving birth has increased over the last few decades from 24.6 years to 27.2 years. To go along with this, birth rates have risen in women age 30-34 and 35-39. For moms ages 35-39, the prevalence of birth defects ranges from 32-44 per 1000 births. When compared with moms aged 25-29, there is an extra 5 to 12 non-chromosomal birth defects for every 1000 births. In moms 40 years and older 24-50 per 1000 births are affected by these non-chromosomal abnormalities. This is an increase of about 6-11 birth defects for every 1000 births. Some specific abnormalities found to be associated with advanced maternal age include congenital heart defects, hypospadias (abnormal male urethra), craniosynostosis (abnormal skull growth), club foot, and diaphragmatic hernia. Women ages 35-39 will deliver 1 to 4 additional cases of congenital heart defects per 1000 births. In age 40 and over, that number jumps to 30.

      Please do your research first than post something like this “Older men’s sperm increases the likelihood of birth defects too.” because it is not the sperm that is doing this but THE OLD WOMEN WHO HAVE LESS CHANCES OF FERTILITY, HAVING A HEALTHY BABY, AND MORE CHANCES OF BIRTH DEFECTS, MISCARRIAGES and BASICALLY MORE SEVERE DISEASES TO THE CHILD.

      I dont know what you wanted to proof from stating such a lie which is not even backed up with facts and stats from any reputable forum but it surely states that why you state it (YAH DONT DATE OLDER GUYS BECAUSE YOU MIGHT GET BIRTH DEFECTS but its surely not true).

      >This article is basically assuming that women are willing to settle for things that any man would be insulted to even have suggested to him.

      I seriously assume that your much of a teenage girl who doesn’t know anything about a man or what makes A MAN A MAN. because MAN follow beauty, fertility and attractiveness in a woman but a WOMAN follows the basic (YAH THE OLD BIOLOGY AND THAT PATRIARCHY) productivity (Money), Protection, Provide (HYPERGAMY). If you cannot compute that than i can cite some sources for you to know what i am talking about.

      askmen(.)com/dating/curtsmith_100/105_dating_advice.html

      Quote: Cross-cultural evidence from different societies consistently reveals that what women really want from men are economic resources. Studies with college coeds show that when shown photographs of men dressed in high-status uniforms (suits, ties, expensive watches, etc.) and low-status uniforms, these women would be significantly more willing to enter into relationships with the more expensively-attired males regardless of the man’s physical appearance .

      To a woman, attraction is simple: green is very good-looking. And these same studies found that college men were convinced that magnifying their status (implying greater earning power) would lead to increased sexual activity.

      Read more: independent(.)co(.)uk/life-style/love-sex/attraction/the-science-of-magnetism-926693.html

      >I seriously doubt most 20 year old men would be interested in marrying 30 something women and putting off careers into their 40s – so why is it presented as such an easy solution for the woman to do so? Ridiculous.

      Well yes that is not true at all Most (Read: ALL) 20 year old men dont want any relationship with 30 something women but they love to have a sexual relationship with them (Its true either you take it or leave it or call it sexist and misogynist but science and biology says it and which is why older women prey on younger men mostly Older women prey on minor young teens like the above studies of female pedophiles).

      It was presented as an easy solution for woman because it is the TRUTH and your rejecting it wouldn’t make a negative point, either women have to accept it or deny it but the fact is that if a women put aside the proposal of marriage and kids on the side while climbing the career ladder and when she makes it up there while denying every other approach would really shut all other options of her getting ever married or having kids (NOTE: SHE CAN’T HAVE IT ALL and IT IS NOT PATRIARCHY BUT HERSELF TO BLAME). You see Men and women are different, A MAN reaching 40 wouldn’t have any trouble siring children because he has unbelievable stock of sperm and even a Man in his 60′s can do this but a woman can’t WHY! well ask biology and female nature because her fertile window closes mostly in her 30′s and her looks fade onward to 35, and dont tell us MEN that we are neglecting her charming character because MEN dont fall into that as i said read the upper study of what MAN FIND ATTRACTIVE WOMAN DONT, AND WHAT WOMAN FIND ATTRACTIVE MAN DONT, so you cannot lump woman into man category, those women who seek career before marriage and children would face difficulty when they reach their end time but MEN on the other hand wont find any difficulty because their biology is different then women.

      I think my response was pretty clear I HOPE YOU WONT GO INTO INSULT or else I WILL CALL OFFICER JANELLE if you try to personally attack me again, Hope your educated and intelligent to compute this response of mine and give a reaction which would be more intelligent BUT AGAIN do cite sources for the claims you make.

      Gamerp4

      August 26, 2012 at 6:02 am

      • “Yah and you know more better than anybody here you cannot even write a comment without cussing anybody or insulting someone.”
        ***************************
        Not true – was just fighting fire with fire.

        “women who wasted her best productive years on her selfish ways”
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        Not wanting kids is not selfish. Having kids, in this overpopulated world, especially if you don’t truly want them, is what’s truly selfish.

        “YOU DON’T HAVE ANY RIGHT to tell men what they should and shouldn’t do ”
        ***************************
        Nor do you or the author of this article have the right to tell women what they should and shouldn’t do.

        “NO many women who find 35 year old man attractive do have relationship with them (READ EXAMPLES: Harrison Ford (70), Mel Gibson (56), George Clooney (51), Brad Pitt (48)”
        ***************************
        Those guys are rich and famous. That doesn’t prove anything, just that some younger women are golddiggers. And older women in Hollywood are often found attractive by younger men (Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore for example).

        “Please do your research first than post something like this “Older men’s sperm increases the likelihood of birth defects too.” because it is not the sperm that is doing this but THE OLD WOMEN WHO HAVE LESS CHANCES OF FERTILITY, HAVING A HEALTHY BABY, AND MORE CHANCES OF BIRTH DEFECTS, MISCARRIAGES and BASICALLY MORE SEVERE DISEASES TO THE CHILD.”
        ***************************
        You’re the one who needs to “do your research.” You make a complete fool of yourself saying over and over again that men’s ages have nothing to do with birth defects when there is evidence that this is not true at all.

        http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/06/health/06sper.html

        http://infertility.about.com/od/causesofinfertility/f/maleagefertile.htm

        http://ageofthefatherandhealthoffuture.blogspot.com/2007/07/birth-defects-higher-among-children.html

        “It was presented as an easy solution for woman because it is the TRUTH and your rejecting it wouldn’t make a negative point, either women have to accept it or deny it but the fact is that if a women put aside the proposal of marriage and kids on the side while climbing the career ladder and when she makes it up there while denying every other approach would really shut all other options of her getting ever married or having kids ”
        ***************************
        No it is not the TRUTH – because most women would have no desire to go for a man 10-15 years older while she is still in college. College girls like college guys, not 30-something men. Many of the women who would prefer an older man just because of his money are bimbos who don’t have the skills to do anything for themselves, not educated women. There are several happy mediums between marrying a 35 year old man right out of college and being a career woman who only realizes that she wants marriage and kids at 45. There are many couples who meet in college and marry while they are BOTH in their 20s, couples who meet and marry in their late 20s/early 30s, etc. Some decide to have kids, and some don’t. Some have stay at home moms, some have stay at home dads. It’s not your place (or the author’s) to say that women need to have all their kids by age 25 in order to have it all. I know very few educated women who even wanted kids in their early 20s, and having kids just because YOU say they should would end up being horrible for the unwanted, resented kids.

        And the whole idea that a woman can either marry young and have babies before 25 or focus ONLY on her career for 10-15 years while having sex with lots of guys is ridiculous as well. First of all, many women are serious about finding a partner right out of college but just don’t happen to meet the right guy right away. You can’t really blame them for this, as it is just circumstance, just as it was circumstance that the men in their 30s looking for 20 year old child brides didn’t get married in their 20s either. Not to mention that it is not a negative for women to live on their own for a few years before getting married and establish their own identities, so that if the marriage does not work out (and 50% of marriages don’t), she won’t have to worry about not being able to support herself and any kids she may have. And not all women who marry late have multiple sexual partners either. I know a woman who didn’t even go on her first date until age 36. She is now married with two children.

        You get so outraged about people “telling” men what they should be doing, yet you think it’s perfectly okay to tell women how they should be living their lives. It would be one thing if you were right, but you’re not. At all. Of all the happy women I know, NONE of them followed this ridiculous approach to finding a husband.

        Teresa

        August 28, 2012 at 9:07 pm

        • (You’re the one who needs to “do your research.” You make a complete fool of yourself saying over and over again that men’s ages have nothing to do with birth defects when there is evidence that this is not true at all.)http://www.webmd.com/baby/guide/pregnancy-after-35

          runb4itstolate

          September 4, 2012 at 9:27 am

          • Blah blah blah everyone knows that older women have more birth defects in their babies. My point was that older men’s sperm causes defects too. No amount of ragging on women on your part will make that less true.

            Teresa

            September 4, 2012 at 10:17 pm

            • You get what you give princess..Many women come here to rag on the men who simply start out giving an opinion so the men simply give it back to the entitlement princess’s.

              Because that is what women do I have written on many sites including singles sites to take some statistics and information about how women react to FACTS. My findings are they all act the same exact way when anything hurts the ladies ego or the ladies controlling ways.Mangina’s react the same way as the women not being able to handle the truth that they are controlled by women,also sadly white knights act in similar ways. Many women and mangina’s alike cannot handle the truth that “because of them along with their brainwashed ways they hold on to is the reason why society is screwed”.

              For instance its like that recent case of a women that let one of her children die and has like 3 counts of child abuse and neglect on her. But yet her statement says it is because her man went off to fight the war and left her to hold the bag. Yes once again it is the mans fault that a woman could not change a diaper or feed them or clean them? But yet you hear women say all the time “I DON”T NEED A MAN” but then blame him for everything.

              Blaming the man constantly is only going to get you in a place where you do not want to be one day. As I have written in the past feminism is non-sustainable not only in this country but proving it in many other countries as well. Many scenarios have been calculated into how feminism will die and none are pretty. As of right now like I have said in the past mosques are popping up all over America and many statistics say this will soon be your new religion and you feminists think you are so oppressed now ha?.Or countries such as India that feminism has destroyed that men are just about to quit the work force in general and let the economy simply collapse just to be heard.Then you have Australia that because of the treatment of men the murders of wives are sky rocketing at a very fast rate.Each country will deal with the lies of feminism in a different way but none seem to be in a very nice way that is simply because feminism is not very nice to the male population and does not promote equality.
              As for your little post ( My point was that older men’s sperm causes defects too. No amount of ragging on women on your part will make that less true.) “You made it out to be only the men and you were ragging on the men and of course in this post twisting on the men”! When it comes to things in the medical field it is usually both sexes. However much proof is out in the real world about who gets the most care and who is not. I know plenty of men who are dying from prostate cancer that cannot get any help at all whatsoever. While women with any cancer get top treatment if you would like to fight me on that to I will be happy to give you a large data base on that as well.

              runb4itstolate

              September 5, 2012 at 8:26 am

            • Blah Blah Blah if only Men responded to women and feminism like this in their early days of Women’s Movement, But Terresa is smarter you know she gives responses out of her “Ass” but still i think that is intellectual, intelligent and totally acceptable in society today. Whoop Whoop and I said it once, i say it again Older Men sperm’s can only make a child autistic or schizophrenic and the effect of these “defects” is really minimal like 8% of the time :D but OH BOY who can push that statement in a Teresa’s mind when there is not a mass of brain to be found inside her skull.

              Gamerp4

              September 5, 2012 at 10:06 am

  27. Teresa, thank you:)

    I’ve been lurking here for awhile, and I’m just shocked at the level of animosity here against women. That, and at some people who make run on sentences an art form. Don’t some posters here know basic punctuation?? Gak….

    Anonymous

    August 30, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    • You’re shocked? Glad to hear that. Being shocked a little more often might do women some good – considering what brainless, entitled “people” they tend to be. Shame on those men for not taking divorce theft, alimony, false rape accusations, and job discrimination with a smile! Realizing that the opposite gender has its own interests (and doesn’t like mistreatment) is shocking, but it MIGHT lead to enlightenment.

      Anatoli

      August 31, 2012 at 9:29 pm

      • Anatoli, judging from your earlier posts, you are NO ONE to be calling someone else brainless. :)

        White men have more privileges than ANYONE in the world. It is laughable that some of you idiots come to sites like this and have the nerve to act like you’re an oppressed population. Women and minorities get passed over for jobs for you, get treated like second class citizens, etc. Oh, and people think they have the right to write RIDICULOUS articles like this telling women how they should be living their lives, when no one would dare write an article like this for a man. Quit whining and appreciate the privileges you have that NO ONE else does.

        Pathetic.

        Teresa

        September 2, 2012 at 7:42 pm

        • (White men have more privileges than ANYONE in the world. It is laughable that some of you idiots come to sites like this and have the nerve to act like you’re an oppressed population. Women and minorities get passed over for jobs for you, get treated like second class citizens, etc. Oh, and people think they have the right to write RIDICULOUS articles like this telling women how they should be living their lives, when no one would dare write an article like this for a man. Quit whining and appreciate the privileges you have that NO ONE else does.

          Pathetic.)

          Don’t you worry your little princess butt now, daddy will be coming home really soon to respond to all of your posts. Especially this one being I have already posted many statistics,graphs,and info to show how wrong you are. Plus I will come back with ALL OF THE SITES WRITTEN BY WOMEN THAT TALK ABOUT MEN.. ALL 200,000+ of them:)You will swallow your second class citizen gab real soon! I see how you women work if things get quiet and you hope to cover the end page with all of your nonsense for any lost soul that may come here trust me I will not let that happen.I’ll see you in a few days..Get some sleep you will need it.

          runb4itstolate

          September 2, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    • Yes Teacher tell us what are the basic for punctuation? Enough of your blabbing toots but we know what we are talking here because we are the one’s who are going through family courts and divorces not your lazy asses who gets everything spoon fed to them by the government. and again the same rhetoric “WE HATE WOMEN” bitch we dont hate them we just dont want or have any need of Western women.

      Anonymous

      September 2, 2012 at 5:56 am

      • I don’t care if you want, need, or like Western women. That’s neither my business nor my problem. My post was commenting on how badly some posters here write English. The fact that you managed to twist a comment about bad punctuation and run on sentences into a rant against women shows how enlightened you are :)

        Have a nice day :)

        Anonymous

        September 2, 2012 at 2:52 pm

        • Yeah, they respond to criticism of their atrocious spelling and grammar with rants against women, calling them feminazis, etc. They don’t realize that the fact that they write like second graders takes away even more of their credibility than their stupid comments and rants alone.

          Teresa

          September 2, 2012 at 7:49 pm

          • Princess have you looked at some of what you have written here? Yes you all are feminazis that is FACT! Like I have said the only fight you have here is with grammar since you women are so much better then everyone else with your entitlement ways along with your loose entity between your legs. But this is the only thing most feminists repeat especially when they do not have any means to go up against a man in what he says. I remember writing an essay on another site about feminism and the downfall of society. The only thing that a feminist could say about the 3 page essay is I missed an exclamation point.hhahahah! Why? its just a simple way for a feminist to attack a male when she has nothing else. Who is really making themselves look like fool’s here?

            runb4itstolate

            September 4, 2012 at 9:40 am

            • Yicks Runb4itstolate, Me and You are the biggest Misogynist on this earth i guess :D and i love it but In my Dictionary Misogyny means Hatred of Feminism and Entitled Women (Who are privileged actually). And one more thing Terresa if you think White men are against feminism :D think again YOU HAVE A BLACK MAN HERE.

              Gamerp4

              September 5, 2012 at 10:02 am

            • I’m not going to get involved in the fighting here, but I do have a few things to say about how feminism has actually taken away from personal freedoms even for women. I am ALL for equality, but feminism has created a culture where homewrecking sluts are hailed as “sexually liberated women” and children are ripped away from loving fathers.

              I’m 27 and still a virgin, saving myself for the right guy – I do want to get married before 30 though. And I’ve had people insinuate that I’m stuck in the trap of being a “good girl” rather than a woman with choices – it doesn’t occur to them at all that AS a woman with choices, this WAS my choice. To them, I must have been “brainwashed by the patriarchy” and I’m allowing myself to be subjugated by chauvinistic values, which is ridiculous. All because I’ve chosen not to slut it up. Because apparently any woman who isn’t out there spreading her legs for every guy doesn’t want equality and is allowing herself to be subjugated. It’s absolutely impossible that she’s making a CHOICE to stay chaste, a CHOICE that is just as valid as the choice other women make to sleep around? Makes me sick, really. I thought feminism was supposed to mean women got to make choices about how to live their lives, but apparently this is only so if the woman’s choice is in line with neo-feminist thinking.

              Also, the overwhelming favoritism towards mothers in family courts is sickening. Personally, if I had been placed in the situation of one of these children who was ripped away from a father just because his ex-wife played the “mother” card in court, it would have traumatized me. My relationship with my father is bar-none the most important relationship in my life, he was and is the best parent I could have asked for, and it would have been a true crime if my siblings and I had been forced to only be able to see him twice a month as a friend of mine was – her mother basically used the kids to punish her ex-husband, and the kids suffered the most as a result.

              In a perfect world, maybe feminism could have been about equality, but in this world it is not. It’s a bunch of crazy people out for their own twisted agenda.

              Allie

              September 8, 2012 at 4:43 am

              • So true and i totally love your post, it is why i say that there is hope at the end of tunnel if there are still woman like yourself out there but the irony is that your in minority but still it is refreshing to read your comment, and believe me that people here call us women haters and misogynist if we call out the women on their narcissistic comments.

                Gamerp4

                September 8, 2012 at 9:24 am

                • You’ve admitted to skanking around with at least 20 women in the past. You don’t deserve a decent woman like this poster that you replied to. She deserves a good man. Any guy who skanks around is no different than some woman with lots of notches on her bedpost. Two peas in the same pod. Practice what you preach.

                  Anonymous

                  September 8, 2012 at 10:01 am

                  • As for anony green most women have just as much notches if not more..

                    runb4itstolate

                    September 8, 2012 at 2:31 pm

                    • Read what I posted. I fully explained myself on what i think of people whoring around, men AND women. However, no man has the right to demand a virgin/inexperienced girlfriend if he’s been whoring around with at least 20 women. He’s a hypocrite to demand a “pure” woman when he can’t even keep his pants on himself.

                      Anonymous

                      September 8, 2012 at 8:13 pm

                  • What? so my skanking with 20 women is that worse, i didnt knew that and for the time record its not 20 i never said i went like a bull dog, my count rarely goes to 15 but the point is what a man like me has to do keep it in his pants while the girl infront of me shakes her skirt from Timbuktu to Eiffel tower and you want me to control my Shame and Control my Eagerness, Boy i tell you these women think that whatever happens in their daily life is some sort of MALE conspiracy.

                    The reason man like me ask a virgin is because we know that a 20 cock ridden women can never be a faithful wife but a 20 something man can be faithful husband if only the wife he gets loves him to death and he in return will shower the love like the Amazon rain. But it is hard for me to explain that to you, because Love is not in your “Having it all” list.

                    Gamerp4

                    September 9, 2012 at 4:23 am

                • Yes I agree nice post I can’t refute a post like that:)

                  runb4itstolate

                  September 8, 2012 at 2:29 pm

                  • that was for allie to..

                    runb4itstolate

                    September 8, 2012 at 2:29 pm

                    • Read what I posted. I fully explained myself on what i think of people whoring around, men AND women. However, no man has the right to demand a virgin/inexperienced girlfriend if he’s been whoring around with at least 20 women. He’s a hypocrite to demand a “pure” woman when he can’t even keep his pants on himself.

                      Your point?99% of women are whores? leaves a 1% ration in usa what is your point?

                      runb4itstolate

                      September 8, 2012 at 10:38 pm

              • Allie, your comments are refreshing to read. I’m a 29 year old male, and I have to say if I weren’t happily married I would be asking you if we can get to know each other better haha. It’s good to see there are still girls like you around.

                Brian

                September 9, 2012 at 1:46 am

      • Sweets, I’ve never been on the government dole. I earn twice the national average for a family of four (USA) and I have advanced degrees, including certifications in mathematics. I’m applying to doctoral programs starting next year. hopefully I can to the doctorate while I work full time. Brainless?? I don’t think so :)

        It might stink that you’re going through divorce court (I have no experience in that area, I’m glad to say) but don’t take it out on me. I had nothing to do with you choosing the wrong life partner. You should have had the serious questions before marriage.

        Don’t think that marrying (read: BUYING) a foreign bride will give you a submissive little wifey, a la June Cleaver. Latina girls can be sweet, beautiful and charming, but they are demanding when it comes to the actions of their man. Russian and Ukrainian girls are beautiful, but the ones I know would do anything to get out of there, including marrying an American man. They’d charm you and give you everything you want for awhile, until the magic green card comes. Morrocan girls aren’t much better. There’s a reason that they are called “gazelle.” However, if this is your choice, then go for it. I’m just telling you what the very possible pitfalls are.

        Anonymous

        September 14, 2012 at 5:00 pm

        • “It might stink that you’re going through divorce court (I have no experience in that area, I’m glad to say) but don’t take it out on me.”

          This one statement is all that needs to point out to you that how much educated and how much “brainless” you are :D so your throwing your degrees at us that how much intelligent you are than the average joe here but thats ok you may not be on the “Government dole” but there is a majority of women that are, Your just a exception dear NOT THE RULE, you might understand that YOU HAVE A CERTIFICATION IN MATHEMATICS (Which shows what kind of real educational skills or Mathematical skills you have to know nothing about the rule of STATISTICS) but i congratulate you on your doctorate and may you find a work full time.

          > I had nothing to do with you choosing the wrong life partner. You should have had the serious questions before marriage.

          Exactly but the question again is this that do you think that 75% women who divorce their husband and rob them of their assets and children are the “Wrong” life partner that makes 3/4 women in america a wrong choice for marriage, again your just an exception not the rule (I am having a doubt that you even had study the divorce statistics and if you have you didn’t understood a thing, quiet a shame for a certified mathematician).

          >Don’t think that marrying (read: BUYING) a foreign bride will give you a submissive little wifey, a la June Cleaver.

          So you think Men who go and search for a wife in the foreign lands are “Buying” a submissive little wifey, if i am correct over here then your the same women who has argued around this site that SHE DOESN’T WANT/NEED A MAN and dont say that is not you because people can match your display picture with that same women (If you know the rule of wordpress then you might know that everybody who comments with an anonymous name gets a default display monogram which will stay same the entire time, it wont change randomly :D ) and here you are again using the shaming language on the men here, as i said to you up there

          My words previously which i commented on your ridiculous notion of Men demanding submissive wife”

          “Basically if you have any decency than you wont criticize Men who seek quality in a women in your next post because i applaud you for stating that you prefer singleness and celibacy than marriage and i encourage your views to all the women who are visiting this site but you have no right to criticize men of their choices if whatever that may be, clearly you dont want marriage, dont want kids, dont want to put sex on that bastard man’s every demand, dont want to cook or clean after a bastard man and obviously dont want to be a mother to a buffonic man and i admire that but if men are seeking something that is admirable for them then you have no right to do so.”

          You being an educated woman and a intelligent one WHEN MAKES THE CLAIM OF MEN DEMANDING or BUYING (Your word) SUBMISSIVE LITTLE WIFEY makes the case of the said men very much correct because no men obligated to you NOR HE SHOULD BE i have my own choices (and dare i say that you reject my choices and shame me for them while you can be a single mother and want Men to encourage your characterless behavior atleast the MEN wants a married life with a woman he thinks he deserve), If a man seeks a “submissive” (You do know that many eastern women are educated and in just this year a CHINESE WOMAN ASTRONAUT was sent to space :D , I tell you that those south eastern women, they can be “strong” and “independent” at the same time they are “submissive” and “feminine”) little wifey (See this is the shaming language which i am talking about) than you have no right to tell him what he should do and not, YOU DONT NEED/WANT A MAN so why stop a man from making the “right” decision clearly you said that all those divorce men did was made a “wrong” judgement which is why they went throw the divorce grinder so let them for once make a RIGHT CHOICE. and one more thing June Cleaver is nothing if you compare her to the asian women but i wish that more western women were like her but who am i too shame western women of their CHOICES.

          > They’d charm you and give you everything you want for awhile, until the magic green card comes. Morrocan girls aren’t much better.

          Let me ask this to my wife she is from EGYPT and before you say somethings she is a teacher but WTF? did you wrote if you think “However, if this is your choice, then go for it. I’m just telling you what the very possible pitfalls are.” than quit laying baseless points to MEN here because getting married to a western women is not a bliss either, there is 70% chance that a man might be forced into divorces and all his assets and children stolen from him BUT YOU SURE DONT MIND THAT but you want to poke your nose in the MEN’S CHOICES and claim that all those women out there in the foreign land are out to grab him for the GREEN CARD :D . absurd and ridiculous for an EDUCATED WOMAN to say these things, But yah “Desperate Times call for Desperate Measures” and in your case Desperate Times calls for Idiotic Ideas”.

          Chao, and one last thing become a Lesbian you might not have to deal with this paragraph in your life ever again

          Made by
          Anonymous Woman
          September 3, 2012 at 3:49 pm

          “I wouldn’t call the men here imbeciles. I think they have a distrust and dislike of women who are mentally strong and independent. A woman who knows what she wants and goes for it is seen as a threat somehow. They prefer submissive women who will cook, clean, make babies. and screw them upon demand, with no complaints and no demands of their own. They’re not looking for a wife, they’re looking for a new mother.

          My actions in life harm nobody. I don’t hurt men. Not having children hurts nobody. And, i’m free :D

          Indeed your free NOW LET THE MEN BE FREE and DO WHAT HE LIKES TO DO.

          Seriously this time be more polite.

          Gamerp4

          September 14, 2012 at 10:10 pm

          • If you’re having trouble than this Anonymous Woman made the similar statement in the ESSAY article :D

            Do read it or WTF let me paste it here for you to read what she thinks about US men.

            Anonymous
            September 14, 2012 at 5:17 pm

            Now why would I want a man?
            Please enlighten me.

            So basically what she is saying is that she doesn’t need/want a man and for that i admire her because she is a “strong” “independent” western woman and before you hill billies here try to poke a stick in her gut and claim that she’s mental I DARE YOU TO DO IT, but one thing is clear she doesn’t need a buffoon man over her life but the other thing is THAT SHE LIKES TO SHAME MEN HERE FOR CHOOSING A FOREIGN BRIDE (Which she calls BUYING A SUBMISSIVE LITTLE WIFEY) Hahahaha I tell you stupidity cannot be eradicated with Highly certified degrees nor being a CERTIFIED MATHEMATICIAN because some people are BORN THAT WAY.

            So miss Anonymous if you dont “want” a man than why you “want” to shame MEN here, are you desperate for a marriage or a wedding? are you desperate for a LAY? are you desperate for a child?

            all these 3 question doesn’t stick with MEN, if you want a wedding YOU CAN BE A LESBIAN and that might solve it for you, If you want a LAY then PUA (Pick Up Artists) are ready for that BUT YOU have to be attractive in the looks department, and if you want a child GO TO ANY SPERM BANK, why you want to shame men here i dont know i just answered your desperate question you are trying to make here by SHAMING MEN with the absurd ideas of “submissive little wifey” thanks but i will go with the submissive little wifey than with a “strong” “independent” “full of attitude” woman.

            Gamerp4

            September 14, 2012 at 10:23 pm

  28. On that note what sane man would actually want to sift through all that? lol

    runb4itstolate

    September 8, 2012 at 11:26 pm

  29. I am starting to think this is another feminist set up for the men in some of these postings.lol..

    runb4itstolate

    September 9, 2012 at 8:59 am

    • NO, what’s good for one is good for another. If it’s not ok for women to whore around, then it certainly is NOT ok for men to do the same thing. Read my previous posts. They are straightforward. But I guess that is hard for a few people on this site to do.

      Anonymous

      September 9, 2012 at 12:02 pm

      • Why dont you take your righteousness blabber and teach that to women instead because majority of them slut it up in their college age and 80% of them somehow love the hook up culture more than men BUT YAH YOUR CORRECT MEN ALSO LOVE TO HOOK UP but if a women stops the giving than obviously MEN would stop the taking but i prefer the hook up culture to hang on before the end of all these problems of men which were created by narcissistic women who thought that they are entitled to everything (READ: HAVING IT ALL) now if you dont know what having it all is kindly google it so you may know what i have going on here, but if you’r pointing your finger at me and saying that I AM THE BAD GUY than you’r wrong pretty much because I AM NOW MARRIED and had stop all the nonsense things but Yes i did what a MAN like me does when a women wears the label of “Available” when she enters a club and shakes her booty for the men, I am not the culprit its the cultural shift which happened when women voted for SEXUAL LIBERATION, go and cast your vote against it.

        Gamerp4

        September 9, 2012 at 5:52 pm


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