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I’m just a girl.

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I’m just a girl.
Post by Tina a guest on Mar 25, 2006, 4:55pm

Gentlemen,

I stumbled upon this site when helping my friend look for wedding information.

At first, I won’t lie, I was angry. A lot of the information and “beliefs” are so broad that it categorizes people into a hole so deep that the light of day can’t even shine in.

I am a 25 year old woman. I am an associate producer in a corporate environment. I do know that I make less money than my male similarly experienced associate, even though I have more projects and spend more hours at the office, but I know why. My company expects people to “haggle” for their salary at hire. I didn’t. I make less because I was so happy to be working at my dream company that it didn’t dawn on me to “go for blood” when I got the job. I have had three relationships in my life. The casual dates I’ve had never went past one date because I usually wasn’t interested in pursuing more time with them. I have never cheated on a boyfriend. My longest relationship was five years. My current relationship is just over one year. My main goal is to have someone to care for. To help. To push to succeed. However at the same time, I must have the space and time to go after my own goals of marathon running and work.

In any case, I think I mostly don’t understand the perceptions that are here about women. The truth is, I don’t want to fight. I know women who hate men. I know men who hate women. I know that usually they’re both ok with me because I’m viewed by most as a motherly person who brings soup to the office when someone is sick or bakes a cake for a birthday. I try to be neutral and just gather as much information as I can.

I want to understand why – without feminist literature, or masculine literature – why you, as an individual man, never want to get married. Beyond that, do you as an individual man, want to have children? If so, do you worry about the social repercussions that a marriage-less parentage can have on your child?

Just questions. Just looking for honest personal answers.

Thanks!
-Tina
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by InMichigan on Mar 25, 2006, 5:05pm

All you had to do is read this websites message. It is basically true men have all responsibilities and everything to lose; women have choice. The only choice we have as responsible men is not to choose marriage. As for kids there is already over 6 billion people in the world. I don’t think I need to bring more since others are doing more than an adequate job. Calling me selfish doesn’t work since wanting kids for the wrong reasons can be just as selfish as not procreating. If I marry in the future it will be a FW but I am thinking more about expatriating.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by niceguy78 on Mar 25, 2006, 5:10pm

If you have the lack of intelligence to read this site, and not apply it to life, you are most likely over paid.

How factual statistics, real life stories, and the simple explanation of the laws goes over you head is mind boggling. Maybe you are just further evidence of women’s inferiority.

Let me guess, you and your friends are “nothing like this” :) .

How many times have I heard/read/been told that, and then only to watch the very same damn typical inferior, unintelligent female behavior invoke itself.

If you cannot understand this website, then your best bet is to find a man who can support you through out life. As you don’t have the intelligence to do it on your own. With that said, you will be very lucky to find such a man, as we are waking up quicker and quicker everyday.

Best of luck, sounds like you will need it.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by Tina on Mar 25, 2006, 5:15pm

Dear Michigan, I had read the messages. All of them. But they are pretty much either horror stories of people they know (not the poster, themselves) or saying things like, “men have all responsibilities and everything to lose women have choice”.

I don’t really understand that statement.

Can you further explain?

As to the six billion people in the world statement, I do understand and also agree to an extent. I am a person who believes in adoption, as there are over 100,000 adoptable kids in the US already who need loving families. If I can provide that, I would like to, but I know that many people still are interested in having kids.

I just want to be clearer in my questions. My question is why you, as an individual, chose to take that path. Not a generalization of why marriage is bad.

Thanks for responding, I do appreciate it.

To NiceGuy:
I know that you are trying to get a rise out of me when I am just interested a calm message board conversation.

If you can tell me your personal reasons for this life path, I would be very pleased to know.

I know that the “Bachelor” path is one that more men in life are taking. I am a woman who is based on statistics, however I did not see any on the main site or the message board. If you can point me a link to one of these statistically based comments, I would gladly read it.

Thanks again!
-Tina
-Tina
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by grandcurmudgeon on Mar 25, 2006, 5:18pm

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My main goal is to have someone … To push to succeed.

Why is it that you can’t negotiate a higher starting salary for yourself, but think you can “push” someone else to succeed?

“Without feminist literature”, this site would not exist. Read it, and if you can’t figure out from that why men are quitting the game, then there’s probably nothing anyone here can do for you.

I’d suggest that you start pushing yourself to succeed, instead of counting on someone else to do it for you so you can have the time to concentrate on your own other goals.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by Truthslayer on Mar 25, 2006, 5:19pm

I want to understand why – without feminist literature, or masculine literature – why you, as an individual man, never want to get married.

*I see nothing a woman can give my life that I don’t already have or can’t obtain in my lifetime by myself.

Beyond that, do you as an individual man, want to have children?

*No.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by toadman on Mar 25, 2006, 5:21pm

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Beyond that, do you as an individual man, want to have children? If so, do you worry about the
social repercussions that a marriage-less parentage can have on your child?

Do you and the Fem sisterhood with invitro fertilization and lesbian adoptions worry? This isn’t a site about siring offspring out of wedlock and the social repercussions thereof. You took the don’t marry off-ramp to get here, not the bastard child exit a few miles down.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by niceguy78 on Mar 25, 2006, 5:22pm

Mar 25, 2006, 5:15pm, Tina wrote:
My question is why you, as an individual, chose to take that path. Not a generalization of why marriage is bad.

Thanks for responding, I do appreciate it.

To NiceGuy:
I know that you are trying to get a rise out of me when I am just interested a calm message board conversation.

If you can tell me your personal reasons for this life path, I would be very pleased to know.

I know that the “Bachelor” path is one that more men in life are taking. I am a woman who is based on statistics, however I did not see any on the main site or the message board. If you can point me a link to one of these statistically based comments, I would gladly read it. Thanks again!

-Tina
-Tina

  1. To answer your question. Do some legal research, you will find the answers to your own questions. If you do not want to do this, just read through the site attached to this board. It is all there in black and white, takes maybe a 4th grade reading comprehension.
  2. I am not trying to get a rise out of you, I don’t have the time or energy. I am just stating a fact. The answer to all your questions are on this board. If you cannot read and comprehend, then you have a rough life a head of you.
  3. Maybe the statistics are not on the main website. I haven’t been there in a long time. If they are not, try searching yahoo/google for “Ameriskanks” or just go to the webpage http://www.nomarriage.com The statistics should be in these locations.
  4. I actually appreciate you taking the time to be concerned and to ask. Thank you. Try the websites, and then ask any other questions you might have.

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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by Tina on Mar 25, 2006, 5:23pm

Thank you Truthslayer
That was exactly what I was interested in hearing.
:)
-Tina

And Grand,

I refuse to turn against who I am. I am not driven by money. My male counterpart does work less than I do, and he does make more money, but I am happy at my job and love what I do. I am earning enough money to go back to school to get my masters in English, and I am planning on a career change to become a teacher.

My personal talent is that I can see potential in people and help them coax that into something more. I do feel that as a teacher I will succeed whilst helping others to do the same. However, I will not say that the fact I love to help people is a “bad thing.” Even if you disagree, sir.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by romulus on Mar 25, 2006, 5:24pm

Do I want children?
Nope.
Why do I never want to get married?
b/c I don’t see a single advantage to being married, that I don’t already have as a single person. I am completely self-sufficient and domesticated. Also, in this age, women are freely giving up sex before marriage. Given these factors, and the high cost of marriage in terms of finance and freedom of decision making, getting married makes absolutely no sense to me.

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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by male guest on Mar 25, 2006, 5:26pm

Niceguy78 is right. If you can’t or won’t make the effort to read the numerous posts on this board, then you’re really stupid or just lazy. IOW, like a typical American woman. Do the research yourself. It’s really not hard to figure out why men are waking up to the fact that marriage is a bad deal for them. You have no excuse for claiming to be in the dark.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by Tina on Mar 25, 2006, 5:27pm

Niceguy,
I’ve tried to read the main site, but half the links are broken, so there is no way to see the “truth” provided.

As you fellows may not read that which you speak about on a regular basis, I’ve created another post listing all of the web links that have issue, so that the webmaster can fix them.

Romulus,

Does that mean that if our society went back to a ” virginal” lifestyle that you would get married, so that you could have sex, or would you just survive on the slimmer “easy sex” pickings that such a society creates.

Thanks!
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by Lurker on Mar 25, 2006, 5:27pm

Because there is NOTHING in it for a man to get married anymore. A woman can cash out on a marriage at any time, even is she is cheating on the man, she’ll still get 1/2 of the mans money, and probably get the house, car, pets, kids, etc etc. It is a massive liability for a man, a risk that is not worth taking since over 50% of marriages end in divorce, and the other 50% that don’t divorce are practically all miserable.

The men who get married are generally all pussies who are grateful that a woman will give him some pussy once every 6 months.

Single men can get pussy whenever they want and not have to deal with all of the other bullshit.

Name ONE reason why a man should get married…just one.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by niceguy78 on Mar 25, 2006, 5:31pm

Mar 25, 2006, 5:27pm, Tina wrote:
Niceguy,
I’ve tried to read the main site, but half the links are broken, so there is no way to see the “truth” provided.

As you fellows may not read that which you speak about on a regular basis, I’ve created another post listing all of the web links that have issue, so that the webmaster can fix them.

Romulus, Does that mean that if our society went back to a ” virginal” lifestyle that you would get married, so that you could have sex, or would you just survive on the slimmer “easy sex” pickings that such a society creates.
Thanks!

Then read my post further. I gave you a direct link to http://www.nomarriage.com that should have statistics as well.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by grandcurmudgeon on Mar 25, 2006, 5:32pm

Tina,
God forbid that I would ever “oppress” a woman into living on the fruits of my success, which she had to push me into.

Don’t worry, there are still a few traditionalists out there who would probably like what you are saying. This is not a good place to go looking for them, however.

You might start reading mensnewsdaily.com and mensactivism.org. Within a week or two you should find dozens of examples of what men here are talking about.

I don’t tend to share “personal” experiences with anyone who pops up on my computer screen. But, I’ve personally experienced just about everything you’ll read on those 2 sites I mentioned.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by InMichigan on Mar 25, 2006, 5:33pm

It’s simple I don’t like Socialism and Big government. They want to get into the basic family structure by imposing one sided laws to control how a family should be run. I would not adopt a child to bring to America since I think America has reached a plateau as the old Roman empire did. I know you stated adoption of American children which is good but I just don’t want to raise any children in this society. Plus adopting requires so many loopholes most couples decide adopting foreign children to be easier, it is why so many American children can’t find a family.

Economists already know the next generation will suffer lower standards of living to try to pay for the social experiments that both Dems and Repubs always put off until disaster forces them to give into the spending and borrowing habits of the last 3 decades.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by romulus on Mar 25, 2006, 5:35pm

Mar 25, 2006, 5:27pm, Tina wrote:
Romulus,
Does that mean that if our society went back to a “
virginal” lifestyle that you would get married, so that you could have sex, or would you just
survive on the slimmer “easy sex” pickings that such a society creates.
Thanks!

I still wouldn’t get married if we lived in a “virginal lifestyle” society. The only way I would get married is if the benefits of marriage outweighed the costs and risks. Currently, given the state of divorce laws, feminism, etc. the costs and risks are astronomical and greatly outweigh the benefits to marriage.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by Tina on Mar 25, 2006, 5:38pm

Lurker,
Thank you for your comments. I felt that you were engaging in a forum without resorting to name calling, and I appreciate your candor and intelligent words.

I don’t necessarily believe that there is anything in it for women in this day and age either.

The truth is that I get frustrated with women. I get mad at the “girls gone wild” who will expose themselves for a free t-shirt. I get mad at the chatty 20 year old idiots in line behind me at the local pizza joint, who can’t stop talking about how drunk they got at the party in the hills last night. (I live in Los Angeles). I get angry, because I think that those instances of women give a bad image to all others, and that frustrates me.

Now let me give you an example of a woman who is angry at men. My good friend Kristy was married. She was very religious and got married to her man before having sex. She was 20. He was 24. They had a beautiful daughter. He then, decided he needed to “find himself” and he cheated on her. She found out and filed for divorce, because she didn’t want to be with a cheater. It is true that she was granted child support, but no alimony. He then fled to Canada to avoid paying said child support, leaving her out in the cold.

Now let me tell you a story of a man I knew that hated women. He was 20 years old and in love with his girlfriend. She however, unbeknownst to him, was cheating with her girlfriend. He came out to the main room, on his 21st birthday to find the two of them making out on the couch. He was pretty crushed.

I don’t know if marriage really is worthwhile for anyone. I don’t know if it’s worth it for me, other than it is some semblance of direction.

I guess from my point of view, it is like being on on a path, and heading into foggy woods, where you can’t see where you’re going (staying single), as opposed to being in a relationship and seeing the “destination” of a life of companionship and non-loneliness. I think that for me, it’s the “hope” of life long friendship and companionship, while yet knowing that in this day and age, it’s not really a probability.

-Tina
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by niceguy78 on Mar 25, 2006, 5:46pm

Why should she get alimony? Are you women not equal? Which is it?

Did you take time to read http://www.nomarriage.com ?
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by Tina on Mar 25, 2006, 5:49pm

Nice Guy,
I am actually reading No Marriage right now, although it is a little less trustworthy, because the site is trying to sell you something. That means that they show a fiscal benefit to only posting stories of unhappy men, which is tricky because I can easily find just as many stories of very happy married men. (of which I know several).

As to the alimony, I only posted that fact, as this site proclaims that women get “all the money/house/etc. in a divorce, making it a good option for them”.

She did not.

I’ll let you know further comments or questions I have based on nomarriage as soon as I do a little more research into their site.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by logic101 on Mar 25, 2006, 5:51pm

Mar 25, 2006, 5:15pm, Tina wrote:
Dear Michigan, I had read the messages. All of them. But they are pretty much either horror
stories of people they know (not the poster, themselves) or saying things like, “men have all
responsibilities and everything to lose women have choice”.
I don’t really understand that statement.
Can you further explain?
-Tina

I know enlightened men obviously understand this.

The family court system has already set it up this way in divorce court. Men (both good and bad fathers) usually take on most of the risks/ responsibilities when going thru a divorce : possibly loosing a home they paid for before a marriage, medical bills, loosing custody of children, made to pay alimony, child support and college tuition . In this age of ‘equality’, I can see why a man would possibly have a problem entering this ‘institution’ called marriage in the western world. And I believe women would understand this as well if they walked in a man’s divorced shoes. A truly eye opening experience.

And the people who have no clue wonder why there is a marriage strike in America???
-Logic 101
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by Tina on Mar 25, 2006, 5:59pm

This has been an interesting hour.

Unfortunately, it’s time for me to go do some weekend errands, and then head out to my Saturday Night poker game.

I would like to thank you guys for all of your comments, especially those who treated me with the respect that I tried to afford all of you.

-In closing, I did read all of nomarriage.com, however none of the links on that site actually point to any legitimate articles, so if I want to back up the validity of the content, I’ll have to hit up the library and look up the articles present (I believe in cross referencing data). I do appreciate that dont-marry.com has links to many main news sources and articles, however many links are broken. I do hope that they can be fixed.

I am not a person looking to find a man, or be married, I just wanted a little insight, and in truth, I have found some. I understand the gentlemen who fell that being married does not add anything to their lives. I appreciate those thoughts, and will think about them.

Good evening fellas. I hope you all have a wonderful Saturday night.

-Tina
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by InMichigan on Mar 25, 2006, 6:00pm

“I am actually reading No Marriage right now, although it is a little less trustworthy, because the site is trying to sell you something. That means that they show a fiscal benefit to only posting stories of unhappy men, which is tricky because I can easily find just as many stories of very happy married men. (of which I know several).”

Most men I know are unhappy about their marriages but in front of women or spouses they smile and say they love their life. When they are away from women they still say they are overall happy but between the change in voice and smirk of the smile I know better. Most wish they could be single again, they feel they have no say since some have even been threatened with divorce and losing everything. The stress levels they have are really high some wonder if they will ever get away from living paycheck to paycheck since the little wife doesn’t understand a budget. The children add even more to the mix when they tell me some of their horror stories I get stressed out just listening to it.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by logic101 on Mar 25, 2006, 6:04pm

Mar 25, 2006, 5:38pm, Tina wrote:
Now let me give you an example of a woman who is angry at men. My good friend Kristy was married. She was very religious and got married to her man before having sex. She was 20. He was 24. They had a beautiful daughter. He then, decided he needed to “find himself” and he cheated on her. She found out and filed for divorce, because she didn’t want to be with a cheater. It is true that she was granted child support, but no alimony. He then fled to Canada to avoid paying said child support, leaving her out in the cold.

I understand this. however, she should be mad at him but not ‘men’ in general.

Mar 25, 2006, 5:38pm, Tina wrote: Now let me tell you a story of a man I knew that hated women. He was 20 years old and in love with his girlfriend.

If he actually hates women why would this individual have a girlfriend???

Mar 25, 2006, 5:38pm, Tina wrote: I don’t know if marriage really is worthwhile for anyone. I don’t know if it’s worth it for me, other than it is some semblance of direction.

I actually think marriage could be a great thing. HOWEVER if an enlightened man is going to take that ‘chance’ he should do it in a nonwesternized/ non-feminized country that supports traditional family values for both men and women. That is it. Feminism and the family courts continue to destroy the foundation of society. The traditional heterosexual family here in America.
-Logic 101
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by grandcurmudgeon on Mar 25, 2006, 6:05pm

Tina,
Well, now, that was a pretty good intro – a much better way to get a conversation started than your first statements.

Quote:
I don’t know if marriage really is worthwhile for anyone. I don’t know if it’s worth it for me, other
than it is some semblance of direction.

I guess from my point of view, it is like being on on a path, and heading into foggy woods,
where you can’t see where you’re going (staying single), as opposed to being in a relationship
and seeing the “destination” of a life of companionship and non-loneliness. I think that for me,
it’s the “hope” of life long friendship and companionship, while yet knowing that in this day and
age, it’s not really a probability.

While the divorce, CS, etc. statistics give some sense of the magnitude of the problem, what you just said is what goes to the core of the problem itself.

Someone just posted a thread about an ultimate “blaming men article.” Go back a page or two on the site, and you will find a thread titled “you’re gonna love this.”

In the first example, a guy comes home absolutely beat from a business trip, probably so exhausted that he can barely stand up, and needs nothing more than he needs a little time to rest and recharge the batteries. He gets clobbered for not “doing” relationships.

In the second example, a warm, caring guy who is affectionate, demonstrative, and does all kinds of nice things for his woman, get’s told it isn’t enough because he doesn’t do “romance” and give the woman bragging rights to her girlfriends. The gender gap in that one is clear, all the things he was doing seem very “romantic” to men, they just don’t fit some stupid fairy tale.

And, since you asked for “personal” examples, a member of my family is married to a black hole, a bottomless pit. She has basically never worked in their 25 year marriage, got supported to stay at home and raise the kids, and reacts just like the msnbc article’s tone. In the 25 years of their marriage I have never heard her say one nice or kind thing about the guy who busts his ass to make her life so easy, but I have had to listen to hundreds of hours of her whining and complaining about how he doesn’t “help” her enough. Last xmas I spent the entire day running away from her at the family gathering as she tried to slime me with her whining about how he wasn’t doing enough to make her happy. The year before, they needed another car so he bought her a very nice used Chevy Blazer, I think it was about $12,000 used. Know what I had to listen to all that xmas day? How he “didn’t get her anything” for xmas! I suppose that is her way of “pushing him to succeed” a bit more.

I have never in my life seen a man as lonely as that married man.

Now, the real kicker is that if a woman asked me out, I would probably go. And, if a woman really tried to start a relationship with me, I would not freeze her out. Maybe women your age will take the risk to try to get a relationship started, but the women my age see that as the mans job. They won’t do anything, just like my relative’s wife don’t do anything, except try to bitch, harass, and whine a man into giving her more and more in hopes that some day he will give her enough that she will finally shut up.

It’s much easier for a Man to simply Go his Own Way.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by logic101 on Mar 25, 2006, 6:15pm

Mar 25, 2006, 5:54pm, acepoindexter wrote:
Most of the boys here dont know how to make friends…so dont take anything too personally…

I doubt that is true. Why would you make a broad brushing statement like this? I believe you’re off base. You should probably just stick to the topic at hand.

Logic 101
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by kestral on Mar 25, 2006, 6:15pm

Hi Tina, Lurker just nailed it. Basically a marriage is a very expensive party + a government contract. A marriage contract is not like your work contract where you could have been able to negotiate your salary. The terms and conditions of the marriage contract can potentially ruin a man physically, financially and mentally/spiritually. Lurker’s post clearly explains why as do the “horror stories” you read. So given that is the case, why would a man willingly enter into a contract that is not advantageous? It’s in our nature to make sure we’re getting a fair deal. Your male associate felt a higher salary was a fair deal so he negotiated it. In the case of a marriage contract, there is no way to negotiate a better deal (if you’ve read enough here, prenups are basically useless). So given the choice between a bad deal or no deal, a man is going to choose no deal. Simply put, marriage is a bad deal for a man.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by niceguy78 on Mar 25, 2006, 6:16pm

Mar 25, 2006, 5:49pm, Tina wrote:
Nice Guy,
I am actually reading No Marriage right now, although it is a little less trustworthy, because the site is trying to sell you something. That means that they show a fiscal benefit to only posting stories of unhappy men, which is tricky because I can easily find just as many stories of very happy married men. (of which I know several).

As to the alimony, I only posted that fact, as this site proclaims that women get “all the money/house/etc. in a divorce, making it a good option for them”.

She did not.

I’ll let you know further comments or questions I have based on nomarriage as soon as I do a little more research into their site.

Facts are facts, are facts. I honest to god do not know any truly happy married men. Every married man tells me “never get married” and I respond “yea, I know, I know”, or they tell me “you are not married? damn your lucky”. They may not say this in front of a woman, but trust me, I hear it all the time.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by dickthedog on Mar 25, 2006, 6:29pm

I was married for 8 years. During that period, my ex grew increasingly dissatisfied and contemptuous, not due to anything I had done. I never hit her or cheated. I never even called her a bad name. I was supportive and gave her more freedom than would an average husband.

I came home from work one day. It was her birthday, and I had her present with me. I walked into an empty house. A note on the table said she had gone to the casino with a girlfriend for the weekend, and the kids were with her parents. I knew then it was over.

What I didn’t know was she had been setting up a divorce for a year. She had shuffled assets and debt to her advantage. She had squirreled away cash from my paychecks. She had retained an attorney and gotten all her ducks in a row.

The following Monday, I was served with divorce papers. Included was an ex-parte court order evicting me from my house immediately. I had to leave my home and family or face jail. The court had frozen all marital assets (except what she had hidden) I couldn’t write a check or make a withdrawal. I was homeless and destitute until my next check. Next thing was the custody hearing. The court would not even consider giving me physical custody. After all, I was homeless and destitute. Instead, the court ordered child support payments deducted from my pay, a full 30% of my take-home.

A few months later came the settlement. She got the house because she had been awarded custody of the kids. She got the car, she even got my tools. Mind you, I had put a 20% down payment on the house with my own money I had earned before we were even married, and had made all mortgage payments myself. She never paid shit.

When I pressed her for a reason she divorced me, the only answer I got was “I had to do it for me”.

Since all this befell me, I have run into innumerable men with the same story. Women initiate 65-80% of divorces, depending on where you live. The reasons given are similar. “we just fell out of love” or “I deserve to be happy”.

I can only conclude that american women are, by and large, self absorbed, dissatisfied, mean-spirited, cold-hearted, selfish cunts.

Family courts are biased against men and will take a woman’s simple allegation of abuse as fact. Said allegation is enough for the court to deny a man any visitation rights. The Violence Against Women Act (VAWA) now classifies giving a woman so much as a “dirty look” as abuse.

If a man loses his job or gets sick, and can’t make support payments, it’s off to jail. No hearing, no due process. While in jail, the arrearage grows. The courts add interest and penalties. The man is now officially a “deadbeat dad”. The very lowest form of human life.

The state now revokes driver’s and professional licenses,rendering the man unemployable. Is it any wonder so many divorced men resort to suicide?

Any man that would get married nowadays is blind or stupid. Men have everything to lose. Women and the state have made divorce slavery.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by smasherdude on Mar 25, 2006, 7:05pm

I think that dickthedog has put it well.

I’m not part of the “do not marry” camp yet. But I look at the whole equation from the economics perspective (that is instilled by the business school education). I look at the women that I meet. I live in US. Their entitlement is sky high. They want everything, yet offer nothing in return. The laws are there to screw me the moment she decides to falsely accuse me.

I decide that cost is too much. I want to fall in love. But, I know from experience that women can get completely illogical in 0-6 sec. What am I supposed to do?

Yet, feminist want to keep on coming. They want to put bullets through us, cut off our private parts and celebrate and tell us when we walk away from abusive relationships that we cannot stand a “Strong woman” – a euphemism for verbally and physically abusive woman.

I may be another troll to you on the internet, but, I have had a very successful career so far and I will be a successful executive in the near future. I’m seriously considering moving to Asia, a place where I’m more likely to find a woman, who is humane, who believes in equal rights not feminism, and who will treat me with respect just like I’d treat her. I cannot expect this from an average WW. I have the choice of moving to another part of the world and have a successful career, but not every man has that. For me, there is hope, for most, there is none. Yet, I get depressed when I think about the state of the situation, can you imagine what other men feel? I don’t want to.

What WW are selling, we are not interested in buying? why should we buy then?

Today, I got messages from three very successful women on my cell who are very interested in me. They think that their professional success will make them more attractive in my eyes. But, I already have that. What do I need them for then? Do they offer me anything else? For each one of them, I ask this question, the answer I come back with is – nothing.

All of these women are spoiled princesses. They can’t cook, I can. They can’t clean their homes, I do. They curse their parents even though their parents took care of their education. They bitch when they have to give their best friends a ride to the airport. So, tell me, what can they possibly offer me if I marry them? The only reason they are interested in me is because in their eyes I’ve achieved a certain social status and hence, now, they can marry up. I’m nothing to them. I’m just another object. Like a shining new car that they proudly show off to their girlfriends. I don’t think they are capable of love and care.

This is depressing, very depressing. If you can come with an answer other than nothing then please do tell me. I know that your concern and curiosity is sincere but put yourself in our shoes and think. You will see a very bleak picture. It is dark everywhere.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by jSmith on Mar 25, 2006, 7:15pm

I hear “dont get married” from all of the married guys that I work with.

I also hear them complain and moan about their wife, kids, etc. just like nice guy 78.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by niceguy78 on Mar 25, 2006, 7:21pm

Mar 25, 2006, 7:15pm, jSmith wrote:
I hear “dont get married” from all of the married guys that I work with. I also hear them complain and moan about their wife, kids, etc. just like nice guy 78.

Serious, I am sure most women do not believe us, because men do not talk about it in front of them.

But I have never had a man say “wow, I was lucky, I got the one good one, I can actually say I was lucky to get married”. Not one time, in nearly 28 years.

Either they say “eh, its okay”, or they are ready to rant, and oh god I feel sorry for them.

The only way I would get married in the USA, is if either I am rich, and can protect my assets before hand. Or she is rich, and I can’t be hurt financially. Still it will take a lot more from a woman than just money, it is only the first requirement in the USA.

And the older I get, the wiser I get, the more I read/listen/and educate myself on the subject, I am starting to think “why the fuck did we GIVE (they never earned it) women the right to vote?”.

It is too late now, we will have to wait for society to collapse and make sure women do not have the right to vote when society is rebuilt. But what the fuck were men thinking?
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by Ted the unmarried guy on Mar 25, 2006, 7:24pm

Quote:
I can only conclude that american women are, by and large, self-absorbed, dissatisfied, mean spirited, cold-hearted, selfish cunts.

In general, American Women are rotten. They behave very inhumanely towards men, especially their husbands. And they don’t think twice about that. They are truly terrible people, lacking qualities that would give a normal man a reason to be devoted to her. American Women are basically dislikeable, unadmirable, reprehensible, childishly vindictive, and destructive to those around her.

In a nutshell: American women are worthless to men everywhere. I believe that realization will dawn on more and more men as time goes on.

Overgeneralizing, you say? Well, just take a look at the horror stories here and elsewhere. I’m lucky: I’m single, and I have a favorite destination overseas where I go couple of times a year and date/have sex with foreign women. So I am not lacking in recreational female companionship. And neither do I feel I’m missing anything by shunning American women.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by Pomgran on Mar 25, 2006, 7:27pm

I actually had a mangina and woman try telling me to get married today. They asked why I won’t and I started listing all the reasons, all the legal points about marriage contracts and lack of equality in divorce, I wasn’t getting personal at all.

They claimed I was getting insulting and bitter with my comments.

LOL, when you don’t tow the party line they always say something like that.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by TyHigs on Mar 25, 2006, 8:42pm

If you refuse to marry or you only want to marry foreign, then women will accuse you of being bitter, a loser, etc. Their intended effect is to shame the man into compliance. But to any man who is already making such an argument, it is just further proof of how emotionally terrorist American women are.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by Mikhail on Mar 25, 2006, 10:59pm

The main thing to remember about marriage is that (from a man’s point of view) there is absolutely NO upside to signing that matrimonial contract; there is literally nothing you can do as a married man that you cannot do as a single man.

Nothing. Not a god-blasted thing.

There are, however, many, many things that a single man can do that a married man cannot. The list is simply endless, but a couple of the high points include:

As a single man I know that my financial situation is entirely dependent on the choices that I make; I have absolutely no fear that I will be subjected to the economic gulag of a divorce court.

Can you see how valuable this knowledge is? When a man spends his whole life trying to build a future, the notion that it can all be taken away at the emotional whim of another is simply horrendous.

Years, nay, decades of sweat, toil, and painful sacrifice rendered meaningless simply because some housewife gets bored with domestic life and decides to give the divorce wheel a little spin?

Can you imagine how horrible it would be to have that hanging over your head every single day of your married life?

Furthermore, as a single man I do not have to put up with even a tenth of the emotional crap that my married brethren do; if a woman I am seeing gives me too much grief I can simply leave her; this knowledge alone makes most of the women I have dated FAR more reasonable than most of the wives that I have known.

There are a great many single women out there, and most of them are more than eager to steal a decent fellow away from another woman.

Single women are excruciatingly aware of this fact; lacking the indentured servitude of a marital contract, single women KNOW that the loyalty and fidelity of their man is entirely dependent on how they, as women, behave toward their men.

Oddly enough, there seem to be a great many women out there that are very nervous at this idea, and need the tether of a legal contract in order to feel secure in their relationships.

Perhaps they are (deep down) aware that they do NOT have any intention of maintaining a reciprocal and high-quality relationship with the man in their life; that they need the threat of a painful divorce hanging over their fellow’s head in order to keep him, eh?

So, I put it to you:

WHY does a woman need a marital contract? If I am incorrect in my assumptions, please explain to me what there is about the institution of marriage that I am missing.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by newplaya on Mar 26, 2006, 12:17am

Tina,
You see my guest name? What do you suppose it implies?

The women of my generation and any within about 10 years are on automatic ignore for me. I don’t look at them, they just don’t exist from a potential relationship point of view.

No, I play way down the age brackets. Successfully.

Harsh? No. I grew up with these women, observed their projected attitudes on men generally and me personally. The idiot I was at the time, I believed the media propaganda of how to treat women — hence, I became a super nice guy.

Ha ha ha. God that’s funny looking back on it. If you are honest here you will admit that you don’t like or respect nice guys. Not for a quickie and certainly not for a lover. Funny how you women said sweet F.A. to any guys that were mistakenly in this erroneous mode of thinking. No help. Nothing. Hell, most women can’t even articulate it if they know it.

And yet, this is really your target demographic. The decent guys who are eager, nay naive in wanting to marry and have a family. Womens attitudes today are putting the torch to this segment of marriageble guys. Tina, is that self-destructive, or just females being unable to connect consequences to actions?

I know, I know you’re different though. Bullshit.

Ace and I use similar tactics , for different goals. Never again will I be that openly great guy .. helpful, friendly, a solid support and the man women claim that they want.

Being a not-nice-guy now, and really not giving a crap how you feel about the wording, I have a final question for you to answer.

Women choose the worst guys possible when they’re young and wonder why it doesn’t work out. Then around 30’ish with baby rabies raging, nice guys are again on the menu.

Do you feel that this a successful strategy for women?
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by jmo on Mar 26, 2006, 12:43am

Tina, this is slightly off topic, but I want to address your assertion that there are 100,000 children in America who need loving families, as opposed to 100,000 families who need support to remain intact.

Do you really think there are 100,000 orphans in the US? With no extended family to take them in? Do you really think there are 100,000 hideously abusive families?

No, what exists are scads and scads of single mothers, daughters and granddaughters of single mothers, the result of the demonic combination of welfare and the sexual revolution. Single mothering falls on a bell curve – the middle is lousy, one end is extraordinary, and one end is abusive. In a normal culture, one that does not pretend the mother-child unit is sufficient, even a single mother has relatives to help her out and take her in. When you get multi generational single parenting, the extended family is worn out and can’t handle the resulting pathology. So when mom+transient boyfriend are cooking meth and haven’t fed the 4yo in three days, or when transient boyfriend looks at the 11yo and thinks, there’s grass on the field and I’m gonna play ball, there’s NO ONE AROUND BUT THE STATE TO INTERVENE.

But you know what the state doesn’t do? Other than garnish the biological father’s paychecks to support the single mother (NOT the child, who has no control over the use of child support) the state does not lift one finger to protect the relationship between the child of a single mother and his biological father OR HIS PATERNAL RELATIVES.

Most child welfare agencies in the US get a kickback from the feds for every *non-relative* adoption they carry out. Adoption sounds so kind and wonderful, but the real world of adoption is ugly and corrupt. It’s not a virtue to want to raise someone else’s child. If you don’t want to have children, that’s fine, but don’t pretend like by involving yourself in a system that denies children a connection with their heritage you’re doing something noble.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by closet rapist on Mar 26, 2006, 2:49am

Why do I, as an individual man, never want to get married?

This just about sums it up:

http://www.divorcedefense.com/

Do I, as an individual man, want to have children? If so, do I worry about the social repercussions that a marriage-less parentage could have on my child?

Tina, let me ask you this; would you be hesitant to have children if there was a 60% chance that they would be born with severe autism, or down-syndrome, or some other crippling disease? Well, there is actually a 60% chance that any children I have are going to be subjected to CHILD ABUSE via divorce. Now I know right off the bat, that there’s a 60% chance that my marriage will fail within 8 years (72% chance that this will be initiated by the wife). No, I don’t worry about the social repercussions that a marriage-less parentage (no piece of paper) would have on my child. What I DO worry about, is the social repercussions of a fatherless upbringing on my child. Tina, please get your head out of the sand and read the following links:

http://www.childrensjustice.org/domestic_terror.htm

http://www.fathersforlife.org/divorce/chldrndiv.htm
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by sw guy on Mar 26, 2006, 9:29am

I get really mad when I think of all the times I was a NG and all women that laughed behind my back because I wasn’t an Alpha they were searching for. Why wont females help their male friends and tell them that they are doing some things wrong. No because they lack empathy and have contempt for the weak men while misinterpreting a NG for weak. The society teaches us to be nice to females because they are the weaker of sexes, and then when we do we are less desirable and labeled as weak. In the best years of my life 15-30 i lost time on chasing females believing the lies I was thought. There’s a positive spin on that: at least I didn’t marry. ;D

What happened when females got their human rights is that men started showing them too much respect, but females still continue to behave towards men like it’s year 1500. Why is that? Why do females disrespect guys that respect them? Why do women use men, and say “he deserved it because he was stupid enough to fall for my tricks”? Is it possible that female brain wasn’t ready for equal rights? You tell me. The brainwashing of men is gotta stop.

- Society will collapse?

If you think this will happen get ready to wait a looooooong time. Societies today are like chameleons. They adapt fast. But even if they dont, why would any collapse if there’s a new matriarchy in place, or merely female superiority? We have democracies and freedom of speech in the western word. We should get organized and inform other men. I believe manginas can be turned to men. They need to be informed and unbrainwashed. Once men are aware they will rise up and fight. Once males rise up, females will stand down.

Why cut and run? That’s not a manly thing to do. Stand up for yourself and fight. I refuse to be manipulated and used by women. I refuse to let women get to me so I wait for a “collapse”. No woman is gonna make me run and hide.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by TyHigs on Mar 26, 2006, 12:58pm

I met this hispanic-mestiza girl last week, 19 yrs old. She was boasting to the guy talking to her that when she finally gets pregnant, she PLANS on taking custody of the child and changing the child’s last name from his (the patriarch) to hers (the matriarch).

Hearing that more than inspired me, for those of you who’ve read my latest thread on NiceGuy.

Of course this is the sort of nasty girl that if you were nice to her, she’d give you a retort of the most nasty attitude you can imagine. I still havent figured out if it’s a test to see if the male will dominate them and put them back in their natural position, or if they are just plain bitches who think this is the only way to be strong. Anyhow, I wrote her off from even the most basic of conversation. I wasnt interested. I just had a question.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by skeptos on Mar 26, 2006, 1:46pm

Mar 25, 2006, 4:55pm, Tina a guest wrote:
I want to understand why – without feminist literature, or masculine literature – why you, as an
individual man, never want to get married. Beyond that, do you as an individual man, want to
have children? If so, do you worry about the social repercussions that a marriage-less parentage
can have on your child?

I don’t know if Tina is still reading the thread, but here are my reasons:

  1. I don’t want to, at least not now. Even if marriage as an institution wasn’t so fucked up in our society, I’m only 32 and I still want to have a few more adventures in my life. I like the freedom of being single and being able to come and go, move, or take a new job as I please. Most women seem to demand that their men stop that kind of lifestyle and settle down.
  2. I don’t need to. I do think it’s best for children to be raised by two married parents, but the jury is still out for me on whether or not I want kids. Otherwise, there really is little incentive for a man to get married. These days, any decent-looking guy who isn’t a total bum can get sex with little trouble. If you want a friend/companion/confidant, you can have a live-in girlfriend. There is no economic necessity for marriage anymore — if you take reasonably good care of your physical and financial health, you don’t need a wife and a bunch of children to take care of you in your old age.
  3. Too many horror stories about marriage — here, on other MRA sites, and from off-line friends and acquaintances. I hear tale after tale of guys winding up emotionally abused by their wives, denied any kind of physical or emotional intimacy, economically ruined in divorces, and cheated out of genuine relationships with their children. Obviously, there have always been and will always be bad marriages. But you hear about so many these days, with divorce rates in excess of 50%, that it’s clearly become a serious risk to a man’s health, mental well-being, and finances to get married or father children. Tying the knot in this country is becoming like a game of Russian Roulette.
  4. The generally low quality of American women, especially when compared to women from places like Latin America or Eastern Europe. I know there are exceptions to the “American women suck” school of thought; I even dated one. But, on the whole, I find American women, even the pretty ones, to be self-centered, combative, dishonest, rude. . . and worst of all, boring. I simply can’t have interesting conversations with American women about stuff like politics, history, or science like I can with men and foreign women. The most desirable woman I’ve personally met in the past year was a young lady from Poland that I met on a camping trip (she was, alas, married). She was beautiful and kind, but she was also highly educated and intellectually curious and loved to talk about things like the post- Communist political situation in her homeland. She had class – maybe that’s not the best word, perhaps something like “culture” or “grace” comes closer — and to an extent which I’ve found to be rare to nonexistent among women raised in America. It was literally a lifechanging event to meet her — I realized then just how slim the pickings are in this country, how much women’s standards for themselves have fallen. So, I’m not totally forswearing marriage, but I’m definitely going to hold out for someone whom I can both love and respect, and who I can be confident will love and respect me and not abuse her powers, so to speak. In all likelihood, that means looking outside the country.

Skeptos
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by niceguy78 on Mar 26, 2006, 1:46pm

Mar 26, 2006, 9:29am, sw guy wrote:
What happened when females got their human rights is that men started showing them too
much respect, but females still continue to behave towards men like it’s year 1500. Why is
that? Why do females disrespect guys that respect them? Why do women use men, and say
“he deserved it because he was stupid enough to fall for my tricks”? Is it possibile that female
brain wasn’t ready for equal rights? You tell me. The brainwashing of men is gotta stop.

- Society will collapse?

If you think this will happen get ready to wait a looooooong time. Societies today are like
chameleons. They adapt fast. But even if they dont, why would any collapse if there’s a new
matriarchy in place, or merely female superiority? We have democracies and freedom of
speech in the western word. We should get organized and inform other men. I believe
manginas can be turned to men. They need to be informed and unbrainwashed. Once men are aware they will rise up and fight. Once males rise up, females will stand down.

Why cut and run? That’s not a manly thing to do. Stand up for yourself and fight. I refuse to be manipulated and used by women. I refuse to let women get to me so I wait for a “collapse”. No woman is gonna make me run and hide.

Western Society is already collapsing. The only question remains….

1) Will Western Society wisen up, and fix itself before it collapses.

2) If not, how much longer will Western society last.

Muslims are out breading those in the Western society in country like France, at a ratio of 4:1. Iran doesn’t have to develop Nuclear weapons, Muslims will have nuclear weapons in France within 50 to 100 years.

We are currently at a cultural war with the muslim culture in the middle east. We will not win this war, unless we change our ways.

So either…

1) Will Western Society wisen up, and fix itself before it collapses.

2) If not, how much longer will Western society last.

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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by sw guy on Mar 26, 2006, 2:00pm

If it’s about cultural war USA already dominates the world with fast food and crappy movies/books culture. You’re not at war with Muslims but with Muslim extremists. Get your facts straight. If you’re here for a crusade then that’s your problem.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by niceguy78 on Mar 26, 2006, 2:27pm

Mar 26, 2006, 2:00pm, sw guy wrote:
If it’s about cultural war USA already dominates the word with fast food and crappy movies/
books culture. You’re not at war with muslims but with muslim extremists. Get your facts
straight. If you’re here for a crusade then that’s your problem.

We don’t dominate the world, only the westernized portion.

If we did, the middle east situation would be no more than a typical gang turf war. It is far from that right now. We have a long battle in front of us, and if things stay at the same pace, we will eventually lose. The question is “when”.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by R B K on Mar 26, 2006, 2:41pm

I think sw was pointing out that American pop culture is pervasive.

I can’t think of any countries right off the top of my head that don’t sell coke and mc donalds.

And again, I agree with sw…there are about as many ways to be a Muslim as there are to be a Christian. I’ve met a lot of perfectly sane Muslims and a lot of not-so-sane Christians…but I’m not going to lump everyone into one category.

If the Muslims like their burkas and Sharia laws, that’s their prerogative, just like the Amish have the prerogative to not use modern technology. The Qua’ran states that it is a good Muslims duty to educate the nonbeliever, but so does the Bible.

Most terrorists demand for the Muslim community to be left alone, not that everyone convert. If that’s their long-term goal…well, the Christians would like it if everyone accepted Christ into their lives. One is just about as realistic as the other, and everyone knows it. Let them sort out their own problems. Establish trade agreements and leave it at that.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by doper on Mar 26, 2006, 3:31pm

Mar 25, 2006, 5:54pm, acepoindexter wrote:

Mar 25, 2006, 5:38pm, Tina wrote:
Lurker,
Thank you for your comments. I felt that you were engaging in a forum without resorting to name calling, and I appreciate your candor and intelligent words.I don’t necessarily believe that there is anything in it for women in this day and age either.

The truth is that I get frustrated with women. I get mad at the “girls gone wild” who will expose themselves for a free t-shirt. I get mad at the chatty 20 year old idiots in line behind me at the local pizza joint, who can’t stop talking about how drunk they got at the party in the hills last night. (I live in Los Angeles). I get angry, because I think that those instances of women give a bad image to all others, and that frustrates me.

Now let me give you an example of a woman who is angry at men. My good friend Kristy was married. She was very religious and got married to her man before having sex. She was 20. He was 24. They had a beautiful daughter. He then, decided he needed to “find himself” and he cheated on her. She found out and filed for divorce, because she didn’t want to be with a cheater. It is true that she was granted child support, but no alimony. He then fled to Canada to avoid paying said child support, leaving her out in the cold.

Now let me tell you a story of a man I knew that hated women. He was 20 years old and in love with his girlfriend. She however, unbeknownst to him, was cheating with her girlfriend. He came out to the main room, on his 21st birthday to find the two of them making out on the couch. He was pretty crushed.

I don’t know if marriage really is worthwhile for anyone. I don’t know if it’s worth it for me, other than it is some semblance of direction.

I guess from my point of view, it is like being on on a path, and heading into foggy woods, where you can’t see where you’re going (staying single), as opposed to being in a relationship and seeing the “destination” of a life of companionship and non-loneliness. I think that for me, it’s the “hope” of life long friendship and companionship, while yet knowing that in this day and age, it’s not really a probability. -Tina

Dear Tina

1st of all..welcome to the board.

Most of the boys here dont know how to make friends…so dont take anything too personally…

Marriage for a lot of men is a losing proposition…but since we live in a society that encourages us to blame others & take no responsibility…its always the others fault…so together our society slides toward oblivion with everyone in the blame game……So I take the view that everyone is media brain washed, into death by unrealistic expectation.

I`m going to say to you ..what these other boys cant…If you see any logic here…a glimer of hope …then stick around & parlee with us…You could demonstrate to these other guys what a good exchange can look like…

Ace Poindexter Women will always pick the ace of spades over the king of hearts.

I’m Ace, I’m a PUA, I’ll try to be your friend so I can get laid.

I’ll bad mouth all men to try to make you think I’m better than them.

Take your PUA shaming bullshit somewhere else!

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Just the truth…..
Post by logic101 on Mar 26, 2006, 3:35pm

Mar 26, 2006, 11:23am, acepoindexter wrote:
MAKE FRIENDS WITH WOMEN WHO WANDER ONTO THIS SITE…
You guys suck at that…If you would like me to tell you the thousand ways that you & your
merry bunch on here suck at making friends with females that wander on here…there is not the
time.

Ace:

“MAKE FRIENDS WITH WOMEN WHO WANDER ONTO THIS SITE….”

You are correct about that statement in yellow above to an extent. This however should be for everyone that is actually ready to listen, sane and hasn’t been overly brainwashed with feminist propaganda. A shrinking demographic of woman in the west for sure. But enlightened men could always just go their own way. I think more men in the future will continue to take that route. Yes, it is just easier for many.

But Ace you broad brushed on that previous post “Most of the boys here don’t know how to make friends” . This had nothing to do with what ‘Tina’ asked. You just stuck that in there like a ‘cheap shot’ and painted everyone on here with a broad stroke. How about just answering her question?

My belief is that this site, like many others now, is about warning ‘unenlightened men’ about the potential dangers of marrying the typical feminized western woman. Please explain if I am off by this statement? The odds are not good and that men should exercise better options. She got an answer. And any man that foolishly ‘settles’ for the typical western feminized woman has really limited his options of finding a good woman outside of the western world. I know enlightened men obviously understand this.

Logic 101
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by william on Mar 26, 2006, 3:47pm

Tina, look at your state of mind. You’re defying your nature. You’re going against your nature. Don’t you see that’s the problem? Thousands of years the Man >> Woman >> Child hierarchy has gotten us to this point. And now, within the last 40-50 years, society has changed to Woman >> Child >> and way down at about #99 is Man.

Do you think a society that supports this hierarchy will survive and compete against another culture that, rather than competes against nature, supports the natural hierarchy of Man >> Woman >> Child?

Modern American Women are such dingbats they’re boasting about how single women are buying more homes than men. Don’t you see? We’re going our own way. A nation that boasts of the triumphs of it’s women over it’s men will not survive or compete with a country that focuses on the Male.

Return to nature. Return to tradition.

Man
Woman
Child

not

Woman
Child
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Man
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by XM in Dallas on Mar 26, 2006, 4:41pm

Mar 26, 2006, 3:47pm, william wrote:
Modern American Women are such dingbats they’re boasting about how single women are
buying more homes than men.

When a woman divorces her husband and takes the house, in the deed it says that (name of husband, single man) sells the house to (name of bitch, single woman)
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by TyHigs on Mar 26, 2006, 5:02pm

Mar 26, 2006, 3:31pm, doper wrote:
I’m Ace, I’m a PUA, I’ll try to be your friend so I can get laid.
I’ll bad mouth all men to try to make you think I’m better than them.
Take your PUA shaming bullshit somewhere else!

Just like I’d never try to change a woman, I wouldnt debate a character like this. He’s fairly deep into his beliefs. Just stop reading his posts. This way you wont get annoyed.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by Tina on Mar 26, 2006, 5:31pm

Yes gents,
I’m still poking around.

The truth is that I already had some pre-existing ideals of American marriage.

I never agreed with the idea of the Marriage License, or of the state mandating marriages. I’m actually not ok with the current requirement of getting a Social Security card for a child who is not working, and has no use for it. I do believe there are too many strings between government and individuals in this day and age.

I agree with some of you who feel that marriage has nothing that you can’t get elsewhere, I agree with some of you who don’t want government control of your personal arrangements.

I do not agree with the men who say that there is a hierarchy of men – women – children.

In any team, there is communication on all levels. Saying that I should know that men are better than me, is incorrect. I know that some men AND some women are better athletes than I, even though I run marathons. I know that some men AND some women are better at finances than I, although I own my car, property, and mutual funds. I know that some men AND women are better at communicating than I, although I try my best to learn.

Thank you for the men who honestly wanted to divulge an opinion, without berating me, or calling me lazy, or telling me that I can’t read, etc. I have never said a negative word to you, just asked questions. Just was curious.

On one final note – to the gentleman who spoke against me for being interested in adoption, and my statistic of 100,000 kids being adoptable. That number is specifically the number of children classified as “available” meaning cleared of all familial ties. Meaning their extended families didn’t want them either. And if anyone can take a child in and give them love, more power to them.

Thanks.
-Tina
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by niceguy78 on Mar 26, 2006, 5:56pm

I do not agree with the men who say that there is a hierarchy of men – women – children.

I am sorry Tina, this is nature, this is life. This is how mammals are, we as humans are mammals.
You cannot change this, I cannot change this, no one can change this.

But our society in the last 40 years has tried to change this. What has it done?

It has turned the once most powerful society in the world, into the whipping boy of a bunch of guys living in freaking caves. Our society is dying. How much longer does it have, or can it be saved, I cannot
answer.

But once you break the factual set of life…

Man >> Woman >> Child

You have fucked up nature. It would be much the same as you drinking some battery acid. It isn’t for your body to digest, hence you will collapse.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by Riskbreaker XZ on Mar 26, 2006, 6:03pm

TyHigs,

DON’T FEED the TROLL!!!

If he wants to read your post, let him join the site.

I’m on Mancoat right now…what thread is it in?

Wow, some new members and stuff you see here at don’t marry and some interestng links.

RBK, you’d make an excellent member there’ I’ll try to PM a mod and see if you can join.

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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by TyHigs on Mar 26, 2006, 6:30pm

Mar 26, 2006, 5:56pm, niceguy78 wrote:

I do not agree with the men who say that there is a heirarchy of men – women – children.

I am sorry Tina, this is nature, this is life. This is how mammals are, we as humans are mammals.

You cannot change this, I cannot change this, no one can change this.

But our society in the last 40 years has tried to change this. What has it done?

It has turned the once most powerful society in the world, into the whipping boy of a bunch of guys living in freaking caves. Our society is dying. How much longer does it have, or can it be saved, I cannot answer.

But once you break the factual set of life…

Man >> Woman >> Child

You have fucked up nature. It would be much the same as you drinking some battery acid. It isn’t for your body to digest, hence you will collapse.

Women want to rebel. That’s fine with me. Just rebel somewhere else, woman. Men = Women is simply an untruth. If equality were possible, it wouldn’t need to be legislated into practice. Women would simply BE equal. But since women were claiming they were oppressed for 1000 years, how could their equals oppress them? Admitting to oppression means they were inferior to begin with.

Note: I’m not saying that this woman personally said women were oppressed in the past. But if not for men’s willingness to GIVE women equality, there’d be no female voters.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by william on Mar 26, 2006, 6:34pm

Mar 26, 2006, 5:31pm, Tina wrote:
I do not agree with the men who say that there is a hierarchy of men – women – children.

This is why things will only get worse. Women will never give up their so called “gains” until society collapses. They will continue to deny or “disagree” with nature even when it’s slapping them in the face.

Now I understand when niceguy78 says it’s impossible to educate or even discuss these topics with modern american women. They will never let go of what they have.

They will never concede. They want MORE, MORE, MORE! My job and my marathon are the only things that matter!

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Post by RBK on Mar 26, 2006, 6:43pm

Tina:
Hierarchy or no, there’s a certain way we were programmed to be, and you can see it by physical adaptations alone. We could all argue about lions and hyenas…but humans are neither, and the analogy isn’t that great.

I think men get shafted in divorce, and a lot of them get shafted in marriage itself. I as an individual am not against marriage, just against the way things are, because of the havoc it has wreaked with people I care about. Almost every woman I meet is unfit for polite society.

Men are better than women…well…I don’t totally agree with that. “Better” is a relative term. Men and women have different aptitudes… I’m never going to beat my SO in arm wrestling. He’ll always be more comfortable with math. On the other hand, I can do things that he can’t. I’m comfortable with things that he isn’t. When both partners get it, things go a lot smoother…Women, in thinking “I can do everything, and better than you, too!” are a detriment to themselves and to all others.

The Oprah culture will implode, eventually. Until women accept that they are weak, both in character (these days, at any rate) and physically, things will not right themselves anywhere near “equality”.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by niceguy78 on Mar 26, 2006, 6:50pm

Mar 26, 2006, 6:34pm, william wrote:

Mar 26, 2006, 5:31pm, Tina wrote:
I do not agree with the men who say that there is a hierarchy of men – women – children.

This is why things will only get worse. Women will never give up their so-called “gains” until
society collapses. They will continue to deny or “disagree” with nature even when it’s slapping them in the face.

Now I understand when niceguy78 says it’s impossible to educate or even discuss these topics with modern american women. They will never let go of what they have.

They will never concede. They want MORE, MORE, MORE! My job and my marathon are the only things that matter!

Yes it is sad.
I really believe it will require taking away women’s right to vote, to save our society. This is the only way I can see to save our society. No ifs, and or buts.

This will also never happen.

Your best bet is to work hard, invest smart, and get out of the USA ASAP. Once Western society collapses, if you are still alive, make sure that women never have the right to vote again.

We MUST learn from our historical mistakes (which is sadly our current times).
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by william on Mar 26, 2006, 6:53pm

Mar 26, 2006, 6:43pm, RBK wrote:
Men are better than women…well…I don’t totally agree with that. “Better” is a relative term. Men and women have different aptitudes…I’m never going to beat my SO in arm wrestling. He’ll always be more comfortable with math. On the other hand, I can do things that he can’t. I’m comfortable with things that he isn’t. When both partners get it, things go a lot smoother… Women, in thinking “I can do everything, and better than you, too!” are a detriment to themselves and to all others.

ChrisVet (where the f*ck are you?) had a saying in regards to this whole equality nonsense. I can’t remember the quote exactly, but it was something like this:

“Men and Women are equally important, but radically different.”

All I can ask of Woman, is that you become what you are (feminine/ female), and stop trying to be what you aren’t (masculine/male)!
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by RBK on Mar 26, 2006, 6:54pm

Isn’t that basically what I said?
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by niceguy78 on Mar 26, 2006, 7:18pm

Mar 26, 2006, 7:10pm, acepoindexter wrote:

Mar 26, 2006, 6:50pm, niceguy78 wrote:
Yes it is sad.

I really believe it will require taking away women’s right to vote, to save our society. This is the only way I can see to save our society. No ifs, and or buts.

This will also never happen.

Your best bet is to work hard, invest smart, and get out of the USA ASAP. Once Western society collapses, if you are still alive, make sure that women never have the right to vote again. We MUST learn from our historical mistakes (which is sadly our current times).

You know…if you guys knew what you were talking about…you might be dangerous…but as it is…your only a threat to yourself…

You dont do anything with your vote now…people are distraction machines…George Bush lies about WMDs…& there is not even a squeak..its disgusting…..Everyone is a keyboard jockey… but when it comes to vote time…did you support the alternative candidates…did you run as the fathers for justice candidate in your area?….What did you do..other then join us in mental masturbation online?????

Whos with me…lets take back this country…to the ramparts…lets go!!!!….(the sound of crickets…)…yah you got a big mouth about taking away someone elses rights…but when it comes getting off your ass & doing something about your own rights…your ass is nailed to your chair….

Dont worry ..the police state will be along soon & tell you what to do…& who to do it to..The police state will be creative, trust me.

Ace Poindexter

Women will always pick the ace of spades over the king of hearts.

Great, the PUA (which I am all for PUA’s, you help in the marriage strike) is going to try and “correct” me :)

Shouldn’t you be out wasting your time, energy, and life chasing subpar women, to fill your own lack of sexual control/self insecurity?

Okay, I will respond, why not have some fun.

George Bush lied to us, but was still a better choice than Kerry. Not by much, but enough to garner my vote. A father’s for justice candidate has no chance in the USA, and would eventually be sent to jail on some trumped up charges. I would rather be free, and living a good life, than in jail.

There is nothing that can be done. Women will keep their right to vote, and our society will continue to crumble. It will not end, and there is little that ANYONE can do to stop it. My work goes to helping other men save themselves from the system/helping society self destruct faster with the marriage stirke (in which you PUA’s help us).

Please keep up the good work.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by guest on Mar 26, 2006, 7:25pm

Quote:
I do not agree with the men who say that there is a hierarchy of men – women – children.

Mar 26, 2006, 6:30pm, TyHigs wrote:
Women want to rebel. That’s fine with me. Just rebel somewhere else, woman.

The issue of “equality” is, in fact, a non-issue. Women on average are less intelligent, less mature, less strong, less moral, less ethical, less reflective, less creative, less patient, less adult-like than men. Moreover, they serve no real purpose to society other than to breed. Outside of their natural breeding function, they are superfluous. They are simply inferior to men.

The fact is, women in general are inferior – and American women are worthless.

There is a reason for a natural hierarchy – namely, it reflects basic reality. It is both natural and humane that human societies be patriarchal. It is the only way for societies to survive and function. American/western women may get a kick out of rebelling against men. But it is extremely stupid and dangerous to rebel against nature.

And by rebelling against this basic natural reality, White Western Women have sealed their fate.

They have denied, and continue to deny reality at their own peril; they must now accept the consequences of that disastrous choice. Any man today who chooses to seek female companionship should do so outside the Western world. It’s almost a duty to civilization and humanity that as many men as possible avoid and shun AW and WW. They are a cursed, rapacious species currently in existence today.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by Citadel on Mar 26, 2006, 8:11pm

Quote:
The issue of “equality” is, in fact, a non-issue. Women on average are less intelligent, less mature, less strong, less moral, less ethical, less reflective, less creative, less patient, less adult-like than men. Moreover, they serve no real purpose to society other than to breed. Outside of their natural breeding function, they are superfluous. They are simply inferior to men.

The fact is, women in general are inferior – and American women are worthless.

Yeah I mean like it or not, women are still women. They are inferior in most ways and when they step too much out of bounds, just like a child, they need to be brought back into line.

Cold but true.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by niceguy78 on Mar 26, 2006, 8:22pm

You know…I dont have to add anything to what you said….your post is the poster child for whats wrong with the USA…

With you at the voting booth lever…I weep for the future…

You don’t have time to add anything else, as you have to go out of your way to impress a bunch of subpar women, to feed your insecurity issues.

Would you rather have Kerry, than Bush? I am not a big Bush supporter, but anyone with common sense could see Kerry was a disaster.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by niceguy78 on Mar 26, 2006, 9:01pm

Mar 26, 2006, 8:47pm, acepoindexter wrote:
Mar 26, 2006, 8:22pm, niceguy78 wrote:

You know…I dont have to add anything to what you said….your post is the poster child for whats wrong with the USA…

With you at the voting booth lever…I weep for the future…

You don’t have time to add anything else, as you have to go out of your way to impress a bunch of subpar women, to feed your insecurity issues.

Would you rather have Kerry, than Bush? I am not a big Bush supporter, but anyone with common sense could see Kerry was a disaster.
You know what…its like I`m the only one here that sees the obvious…

Your on an alternative site…most people dont think like us(outside world)…agreed?…you with me so far…

Your thinking is alternative….so why not translate that to whats happening outside your window & support an alternative candidate or run yourself…

Cause right now what your saying is you support alternatives while your alone in the dark staring into a dim box…but in the light of day your all mainstream…its time to grow up…cause being different means going your own way grasshopper…I`m not going to tell you how to vote… but goddamn if you vote for bush or kerry ….your just voting for a colar around your own neck… cause they are just whores of big bizz. George Bush is not the President of the united states… your telling me he actually has control over anything other then when the white house grass gets watered…Dick cheney is the president…

Talk to a friend…wake people up…I do every day….Everyone here is already converted…get out there & change a few minds..
Ace Poindexter
Women will always pick the ace of spades over the king of hearts.

I agree, the power goes above Cheney, it is probably a group of many wealthy/powerful men, influencing our govt. decisions.

I do my best to spread the word, various websites, talking to men face to face, etc.

I still see no way of saving our society until women lose the right to vote. As there will always be manginas, and women will always vote in their favor, and women are a majority of the population.

There is a time window, and I don’t see society being saved, before it is closed.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by Tina on Mar 26, 2006, 10:07pm

Was intrigued by the following statement:

“But since women were claiming they were oppressed for 1000 years, how could their equals oppress them? Admitting to oppression means they were inferior to begin with. “

So does this mean that since the Jews were oppressed during WW2 that they were inferior to the Nazis to begin with?

I will pose you this question. The answer will determine my outcome.

I thought that men who “don’t hate women, but hate the way they are” would be interested in having someone come to them in the spirit of understanding and knowledge to speak to them about their beliefs. However, most of this board has just decided to notify me that “All women are bad, ugly, skanky, worse than hookers, money grubbers, dumb”.

So let me ask you this: No manipulation. No Anger. No guilt. Would you like me to leave this board and never ask or answer a question here again? If yes, would you like this board to remain male only? Will that accomplish your agenda?
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by Mikhail on Mar 26, 2006, 10:08pm

First of all, gentlemen, we might have gotten a little off topic here, eh?
But, since this seems to be the theme of the moment…

While it is true that there is a certain element within the MRA movement that is virulently misogynistic, most of the activists are rather sedate in their viewpoints; all other issues aside, most MRA activists have the (predictable and laudable) masculine preoccupation with practical results rather than mere feelings and verbiage.

Take a look at the site of a very popular MRA activist like Glenn Sacks; on this site Sacks makes the most particular and specific point that misogyny per se is a rather pointless exercise when it comes down to actually changing things. That excessive misogyny, in point of fact, actually harms the MRA movement.

In this he is quite correct.

There are a growing number of younger women in this country that are more than a little dissatisfied with the promises that feminism has both made and broken regarding the “gender paradise” of feminist equality.

While most of them haven’t quite pinned down the precise etiology (or epidemiology, lol) of how feminism has cheated them of the lifestyle they feel they are entitled to, they DO know that something is wrong, and have begun to figure out that the simple “blame game” of pointing the finger at men has proved to be rather fruitless.

Do you realize that the majority of young women in the US refuse to be called “feminists”? That (iirc) approximately a quarter of these young women regard the term as an insult?

From an MRA point of view, this is a GOOD thing.

Sure, talk is cheap, and I have my own personal doubts that the women of the US are going to willingly change ANYTHING until it is far too late to make a difference…

But, it certainly can’t hurt to have at least a few women actually “get it”, eh?

Rampant misogyny does nothing but curtail the efforts of those MRAs that are desperately trying to enlist female aid in the “damage control” aspects of modern family law.

Given how bad the situation currently stands, most of these MRAs regard ANY help as being useful and, frankly, I don’t blame them.

Enemy of my enemy and all that, eh?
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by spoonyG on Mar 26, 2006, 10:11pm

Tina, ask all you want.

It’s up to women like yourself to change the behavior of modern women.

They won’t listen to us!
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by male man on Mar 26, 2006, 10:31pm

Mar 26, 2006, 10:08pm, Mikhail wrote:
Do you realize that the majority of young women in the US refuse to be called “feminists”? That (iirc) approximately a quarter of these young women regard the term as an insult?

And that doesn’t mean jack shit. BTW, I myself don’t use labels like “feminist” to refer to these women because I know EXACTLY that they will say things like “I’m not a feminist” and still be a major bitch. What matters is their action. How they behave. Not what they think of themselves as.

Quote: From an MRA point of view, this is a GOOD thing. Sure, talk is cheap, and I have my own personal doubts that the women of the US are going to willingly change ANYTHING until it is far too late to make a difference…

Well then, WTF is the point if women regard the “feminist” label as a term of insult? You’re all over the map.

Quote: But, it certainly can’t hurt to have at least a few women actually “get it”, eh?

No, but again: so what?
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by RBK on Mar 26, 2006, 10:44pm

Tina, if you can take the heat, stay in the kitchen ;) . Don’t troll, stick around, and maybe take something with you that you might convince your friends of. That, in my view, is the agenda. If I were physically in a place where there were protest marches on behalf of men’s activism, I would be right there in the crowd…but I’m not, so I’ll settle for dressing down one stupid comment/female at a time and relish the look I get. I’m a woman, I’ve been doing peachy here.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by grandcurmudgeon on Mar 26, 2006, 10:49pm

Mar 26, 2006, 10:07pm, Tina wrote:
Was intrigued by the following statement:

“But since women were claiming they were oppressed for 1000 years, how could their equals oppress them? Admitting to oppression means they were inferior to begin with. “

So does this mean that since the Jews were oppressed during WW2 that they were inferior to the Nazis to begin with?

I will pose you this question. The answer will determine my outcome.

I thought that men who “don’t hate women, but hate the way they are” would be interested in having someone come to them in the spirit of understanding and knowledge to speak to them about their beliefs. However, most of this board has just decided to notify me that “All women are bad, ugly, skanky, worse than hookers, money grubbers, dumb”.

So let me ask you this: No manipulation. No Anger. No guilt. Would you like me to leave this board and never ask or answer a question here again? If yes, would you like this board to remain male only? Will that accomplish your agenda?

Tina,
If you are sincere, and not just another in the endless string of those who come here to play mind games, you have come to the wrong place and you are a few years too late.

The form of your question appears disingenuous. Are you here to “speak to men about their beliefs” or to listen to them? Women have been criticizing men for their beliefs for the past 40+, years. Nothing you have offered so far is anything men here haven’t heard thousands of times before. The pattern is always the same as the one shown in the thread titled “From MSNBC: Perhaps the single most…” – whenever there is a problem, the man gets most of the blame.

Throughout western culture for the past 4 decades, women have been completely absolved of ANY responsibility for their actions by the old “you can’t blame a victim” canard. The second a woman claims victim status, all responsibility for any part she played in the circumstances she complains about, is erased. Within the past week, a woman was acquitted of the most glaringly pre-meditated murder anyone has ever seen. Not only did she wait an hour and half for her husband to fall into the trap she laid for him, she actually reloaded and shot him again. But, she still walked away free as a bird.

If you come on here and try to pretend that such circumstances do not exist, or to portray men as irrational assholes because they are very angry about those circumstances, some will attack you, and others will dismiss you.

If you already have an SO, what are you doing here? Simply seeking attention? No one here seriously believes that you will do anything at all about the situation, except insist on pushing the female perspective into one of the few places left in the world where feminists and women have not invaded and demanded the right to dictate to men how they can speak and act.

Putting the responsibility for the decision whether to leave or stay on the men here is nothing but a game. If you want to stay, then stay and take the heat. If you want to go because you are too fragile to endure what guys here have to say, then go.

But, take the responsibility to make your own decision and don’t play the passive and so reasonable victim done wrong by all these angry men here.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by prince batshit on Mar 26, 2006, 10:51pm

Tina: I would like you to stay, if you want to. It sounds like you can actually listen and provide reasoned arguments, rather than resorting to name calling and shaming like the majority of histrionic female posters we get here.

Now to your question. You seem to have mis-interpreted what is meant by Man–> Woman–> Child. It’s not about men being “better” than women at this or that. Yes every individual is different, some women are better than men at certain things. But you’re missing the point. Human beings are mammals, and our basic natural programming is the same. Men are biologically programmed to protect women in exchange for sex. Women are biologically programmed to submit themselves to the dominant male (the male that can provide the most protection and resources to ensure the survival of her and her offspring.) Now ask yourself, why do men have the innate desire to protect women? Why are men chivalrous to women? Why is it cowardly to hit a woman?

The natural order is Man–>Woman–>Child. That’s not misogyny, it’s reality.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by celibateforlife on Mar 26, 2006, 11:57pm

Tina, it’s a breath of fresh air to have a woman come in here that isn’t trying to shame and manipulate the men here.

To answer your question: after enduring a painful separation/divorce (no kids), I no longer want to get married or have children. I don’t even want a relationship. Being a husband or father (or even a BOYFRIEND) is a dangerous occupation today.

The marriage didn’t even last five years when she abandoned the relationship and I suffered a painful separation for three years while she had a field day with my credit cards behind my back and almost destroyed my credit record. It took almost four years to get that broad in a divorce court as she was constantly putting up legal speed bumps to delay the process. She dodged the process server for months. She even stole my mail and attempted to open another $12,000 credit card without my consent, which I intercepted just in time.

During the seven years of separation/divorce I was locked out of my own house with no legal recourse, and I still had to pay the mortgage and all her utility bills.

I was financially drained by the time the divorce was finally granted, I lost my house and lost half my 401K to pay the $25,000 credit debt (which SHE incurred) as a condition of the divorce. It will take years to recover my savings and be able to afford another house.

I discovered a divorce system that is rigged against men. Even though it was well documented that she abandoned the marriage, she was determined to not accept any blame whatsoever. My ex conspired to fabricate false domestice abuse, even though we had not lived together for four years. She tried to fabricate evidence to show neglect and tried to twist my innocent words and actions to fit the definition of domestic abuse. Her lawyer kept telling her to stop being histrionic. It was that simple to wrestle the house from my hands and win a free meal ticket for life.

I barely escaped. But I was astounded at how dangerously close I could have been ordered to support this scheming vindictive woman for life.

There is an increasing trend of women using false sexual harassment accusations as a tool to “get even”. The man is guilty until proven innocent. He will lose his job at work regardless if he is vindicated. If the police answer a domestic violence call, it is the man who is arrested despite the woman who has instigated the violence. There ARE female abusers out there.

Child protection services are exploited by mothers who use it to wrestle custody from their fathers. Mothers train their children to lie to authorities and again, the father is guilty until proven innocent.

More and more females refuse to be accountable and they use the system against men. They exploit the divorce and family court system against men. Generations of mothers pass down the manipulative tactics to their daughters, and we have a growing population of entitlement princesses bent on exploiting government-ordered support. Marriage has been transformed into a vehicle of materialism, instead of one of mutual reverence and teamwork.

Being a husband/father today is a dangerous occupation. More and more men see nothing to gain and everything to lose in the corrupted marriage system. Even a casual relationship isn’t safe anymore.

The only woman worth having a relationship with is one who rejects current culture of corrupt feminine influence, but women are very good at hiding their faults and their true intentions. You can’t even bring a foreign bride into this country without keeping corrupt influences from her.

Women need to stop being so damn scheming and manipulative with men because we’re mad as hell and we’re not going to take it anymore. I have gained a lot of wisdom from my experience and now know the red flags. But I see them EVERYWHERE. There are precious few good women left in this country. The effort to sort out women is not worth the effort.

I don’t hate women – I hate the system. I’m going celibate until things improve, which I doubt will happen in my lifetime.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by Geoff on Mar 27, 2006, 12:14am

Someone should start shooting these bitches.

Anyone have inoperable cancer? Only got 6 months to live?

You live under different rules: they can’t hold you accountable–just like these bitches.

Here’s a way to contribute to the salvation of this country.

Shoot them!

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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by niceguy78 on Mar 27, 2006, 1:21am

Mar 26, 2006, 10:07pm, Tina wrote:
Was intrigued by the following statement:

“But since women were claiming they were oppressed for 1000 years, how could their equals oppress them? Admitting to oppression means they were inferior to begin with. “

So does this mean that since the Jews were oppressed during WW2 that they were inferior to the Nazis to begin with?

I will pose you this question. The answer will determine my outcome.

I thought that men who “don’t hate women, but hate the way they are” would be interested in having someone come to them in the spirit of understanding and knowledge to speak to them about their beliefs. However, most of this board has just decided to notify me that “All women are bad, ugly, skanky, worse than hookers, money grubbers, dumb”.

So let me ask you this: No manipulation. No Anger. No guilt. Would you like me to leave this board and never ask or answer a question here again? If yes, would you like this board to remain male only? Will that accomplish your agenda?

Good try, but not all Jews were oppressed by Nazi’s. Only those living within the Nazi empire.

Where as men dominated women in every single culture in the history of man kind.

Hence the fact remains:

Man >> Woman >> Child

Once you try to change this, you are asking for hell. I don’t have to worry about it personaly.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by male and single on Mar 27, 2006, 2:19am

Mar 26, 2006, 10:07pm, Tina wrote:
So does this mean that since the Jews were oppressed during WW2 that they were inferior to the Nazis to begin with?

Your analogy shows a deep ignorance of history – not to mention a highly politicized (i.e., feminist) view of women’s natural inferiority vis-a-vis men.

First, your situation is in no way comparable to the Jews under Nazi Germany – cut pulling the guilt-trip crap.

Second, you are politicizing women’s sex roles when you use the term “oppressed.” Cut it out now. You get no respect or sympathy from this quarter for using such a word. You are not oppressed by men, and have never been. Moreover, women are most definitely inferior to men. And as the inferior sex, it is necessary that men place controls on female behavior because of the unpredictable and unstable nature of female sexuality. That is why sex roles were clearly defined and enforced throughout the ages. That is why men were traditionally the protectors and providers of women, while women devoted themselves to caring for her husband’s domestic needs and providing him with offspring.

Someday, American women will realize that it is patriarchies that have always sustained and enriched human societies. Men have always been the creators and inventors of humankind’s greatest achievements. Men built civilizations, empires, and societies with the sweat of their labor, and the ingenuity of their intellect. Art, science, commerce, literature, music, engineering – all originated from man.

And none from women.

What we are seeing today in the Western world since the late 20th century is a gross, evil perversion no other era has ever had to face. The great scourge of humanity today is the women’s movement. Those responsible today are not only those who lead it, but also those who passively acquiesce and take advantage of its foul world view. It is an abomination that will inevitably be destroyed by its own childish spite and hatred towards men and families.

Eventually, it is the women’s movement that will inflict the greatest harm and destruction to those it purported to “save”: the women.

Once western women realize this (and make no mistake, they will), they will wish for the days of the 19th century, when they had no voting rights, and little economic independence.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by tiredofit on Mar 27, 2006, 5:26am

I cannot take Tina seriously after reading her ‘example':

Quote:
Now let me give you an example of a woman who is angry at men. My good friend Kristy was married. She was very religious and got married to her man before having sex. She was 20. He was 24. They had a beautiful daughter. He then, decided he needed to “find himself” and he cheated on her. She found out and filed for divorce, because she didn’t want to be with a cheater. It is true that she was granted child support, but no alimony. He then fled to Canada to avoid paying said child support, leaving her out in the cold.

Hello Tina!

While you do not mention the religion, you make it perfectly clear that Kristy’s marriage was based on religious grounds. What does that religion have to say about cheaters and divorce?

It shows that Kristy is an absolute hypocrite for she suddenly decides that SHE doesn’t want to be with him anymore and bails. I know this isn’t the teaching of many religions out there.

I am certainly not defending the guy. He sounds like a scoundrel. But if she cheated on him, the religion would push for him to ‘make it work’ somehow.

In fact, I am almost certain this was the case for her. She then decided to stop being religious (if she ever was) and go get the divorce.

What God put together, no man can tear asunder.

There are many legitimate complaints about foul female behavior. But there is one female action I cannot stand beyond any other: it is religious women not being truly religious.

Just because someone can wear a police outfit doesn’t mean they suddenly are a police officer. In the same way, just because you go to religious services and follow the ‘rules’ doesn’t mean one is religious.

While his actions were bad, it was she who destroyed the marriage. In many religious circles, it is this action which makes her the truly deplorable person here.

We both see the guy as a jerk. But the difference between you and me, Tina, is that you see Kristy as a ‘victim’. I see a woman dissolving her religious marriage because she, not based on any religious grounds, thought she deserved to.

Either follow your religion or don’t. I can’t stand cherry pickers who like to follow religion until it goes against their self-interest.

When was the last time the pastor talked about Paul’s teachings on men and women or the Old Testament Wisdom Books that are filled with how the genders treat each other? We never hear these sacred readings today because women don’t want to hear it.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by Mikhail on Mar 27, 2006, 9:43am

male man,
The point is that there is a very, very large number of young women that no longer look toward feminism as the answer to all their troubles.

Are most of these women still unabashedly sexist? Sure. Are ALL of them this way? Nope.

To even think this way is simply nuts. No ideology has a one hundred percent subscription from it’s target demographic, and that’s the reason I quoted the female attitudes toward modern feminism. There ARE women that not only disagree with the overall ideology of feminism, but are (gasp) actually willing to listen to the male point of view on MRA matters.

In the battle of the courthouse, there are significant numbers of women that actually agree with the aims of the MRA movement; and these women can and will VOTE for those proposed bills that (for instance) actually make the lives of poor, dispossessed fathers a tad easier.

Given just how bad the situation is for most non-custodial fathers, ANYTHING is an improvement over their current situation; and deliberately alienating the women that are willing to help these guys is simply foolish, if not downright self-destructive to the MRA movement.

Get it?

It’s just a legal and strategic question; simple political and sociological tactics.

If there are only, say, 5% of the female population that are willing to consider the MRA point of view, that is still millions upon millions of women that are potential allies.

Are these numbers enough to save our society before it’s too late? I doubt it. But could they help make the lives of non-custodial fathers just a little bit easier?

Yes. Absolutely. …

So, deliberately pissing on the women that are curious about the MRA point of view does nothing but short-change those fellows that need all the help they can get.

In short, such virulent misogyny (however attractive and understandable) ends up doing nothing but screwing over your fellow men.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by Watershed on Mar 27, 2006, 11:37am

Mar 27, 2006, 10:13am, acepoindexter wrote:

Mar 27, 2006, 9:43am, Mikhail wrote:
male man,
The point is that there is a very, very large number of young women that no longer look toward feminism as the answer to all their troubles.Are most of these women still unabashedly sexist? Sure. Are ALL of them this way? Nope.

To even think this way is simply nuts. No ideology has a one hundred percent subscription from it’s target demographic, and that’s the reason I quoted the female attitudes toward modern feminism. There ARE women that not only disagree with the overall ideology of feminism, but are (gasp) actually willing to listen to the male point of view on MRA matters.

In the battle of the courthouse, there are significant numbers of women that actually agree with the aims of the MRA movement; and these women can and will VOTE for those proposed bills that (for instance) actually make the lives of poor, dispossessed fathers a tad easier.

Given just how bad the situation is for most non-custodial fathers, ANYTHING is an improvement over their current situation; and deliberately alienating the women that are willing to help these guys is simply foolish, if not downright self-destructive to the MRA movement.

Get it?

It’s just a legal and strategic question; simple political and sociological tactics.

If there are only, say, 5% of the female population that are willing to consider the MRA point of view, that is still millions upon millions of women that are potential allies.

Are these numbers enough to save our society before it’s too late? I doubt it. But could they help make the lives of non-custodial fathers just a little bit easier?

Yes. Absolutely. …

So, deliberately pissing on the women that are curious about the MRA point of view does nothing but short-change those fellows that need all the help they can get.

In short, such virulent misogyny (however attractive and understandable) ends up doing nothing but screwing over your fellow men.

Hey dude…your talking sense….But I got trolled off NG site for talking like you …so be careful where you do it..

This movement & Feminism is full of arsonists…who just want to see the world in flames….a guy a few posts back talking about shooting ….come on…if thats not proof that there are paid radicals here in our ranks just trying to stir up decent…I dont know what is.

I wont bore you with any more of my conspiracy theories…

Ace Poindexter

Women will always pick the ace of spades over the king of hearts.

“a guy a few posts back talking about shooting” you’re referring to a post by your fellow PUA, Geoff.

Ace, you really need to get your shit together. You’re as confused as the women you worship.

Here you are turning on one of your own; a PUA! So who are you going to blame next, Ace? Here you are agreeing with your fellow PUA Geoff. You “endorce what this dude just wrote 100%…”.

Geoff preaches PUA!

Geoff asks your advice regarding PUA!

You’re a fucking hypocrite constantly looking to blame someone. Are you one of the “paid radicals here in our ranks”?

“I wont bore you with any more of my conspiracy theories…”

It’s time to give it a rest, Ace.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by grandcurmudgeon on Mar 27, 2006, 1:04pm

Hey, guys, how about not doing the fem-drones’ work for them, and stop tearing into each other?

See how they work? All they have to do is get men stirred up so they start attacking each other, while the fem-drones just stand on the sidelines waiting for the time to come to count the bodies.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by Lee on Mar 27, 2006, 1:11pm

Tina, it has to do with the cultural and legal climate that exists in the USA today.

The last woman I dated *seemed* normal and sane. Then one day she said something along the lines of “…well, I know how to file a sexual harassment claim…”.

The effect of such a statement on any man would be chilling.

The implied threat is very clear.

Either the men in her life toe the line and do what she wants, or she goes nuclear and obliterates your life.

Not a pretty scenario to contemplate, is it? And the fact is that men in the USA have to live with this possibility, while women do not. Thus women have rights that men do not. What hu-man would want to put his life at risk this way? It wasn’t the case in 1960 or 1970 or 1983, but it is today.
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ACE, STFU!!!
Post by Truthslayer on Mar 27, 2006, 1:25pm

You know…you can always count on a NG member to hide who they are…to attack from behind & act like a sniper…you fit all three …so you must be a NG member..

*ACE, STFU!!!

You trash can internet roach!! WHY do you think you were kicked off NG… because you are a TURD, your posts are TURDS and we’re sick of cleaning up after you.

Your arrogance and ‘poor me’ victimhood just show you are the very thing you are trying to ‘pick-up’..a woman. You are nothing more than an attention whore who wants to be smarter than everyone but with NONE of the experience. You got 200 women, BFD. Now what? How many were STD carriers, how many were fat ugly Ameriskanks, where are YOUR travels in the world? All you do is PLAY the game. This isn’t a game, son…this is reality. You remind me of a rich draft dodger-you have the potential but none of the guts.

EVERY time someone posts something against you, you suspect it’s a NG member and blame them. Now WHO or WHAT usually blames someone else for it’s stupidity and bad behavior and judgement calls?

ACE, if you have ANY wisdom or skill, let’s see it. I’d rather deal with RBK than you, THAT’S how more emotionally mature she is than you. You show the arrogance of a little undisciplined brat who hasn’t truly learned what maturity means. I will give you credit for ONE post that showed research, but that’s it.

You know, you remind me of a poster on NG…even though they got told the answer they STILL whined about not being listened to, attacked and insulted and eventually forced to leave…

Who?

mynameiskelly, a female.

THAT’S what you are. A masculine FEMALE.

Thankfully, you DO have a purpose. With your words, men can see the BS feminists use to brainwash men into betraying their kindred. They turn you into Judas just for the hint of a stinky hole. You willingly signed your Faustian deal and what have you gotten back?

A lack of manliness.

Ace, you are NOT a player, you are NOT a PUA…you are a child, who needs to shut up and let the ADULTS talk.

Tell you what, why not respond to this WITHOUT attacking or blaming NG, me OR anyone or claiming you’re a victim of censorship. Let’s see if you back up your proposed skills.

Tina, your mess we’ll get to..gotta handle THIS first.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by sw guy on Mar 27, 2006, 2:04pm

Mar 27, 2006, 1:04pm, grandcurmudgeon wrote:
Hey, guys, how about not doing the fem-drones’ work for them, and stop tearing into each other?

LOL! True!
Fem-bots and Austin Powers come to mind. ;D
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by grandcurmudgeon on Mar 27, 2006, 2:47pm

for the girl -
Here’s another great example of the kind of mentality which men here are sick of. “Den of the biting beaver”.

If you think guys here are so unfair and nasty, head over there and disagree with them. I think you will find this place downright hospitable by comparison.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by Heath R on Mar 27, 2006, 2:59pm

I’m not going to marry a Western woman because odds are she will abuse the ultimate power she would hold over the relationship. It’s widespread and couldn’t be more obvious. Want sex? You better run along to that life sucking job so you can give things like shoppings trips (made in the ‘nicer’ vehicle) to the wife. Want soft caring words after the long day? Get ready to be challenged in some manner, she IS a strong modern woman. Oh but first be prepared to stop at a store on the way home, parts are needed so work can be done around the house tonight, because she’s already done her share by painfully throwing the dishes and the clothes in the washer, and even is even buddy, figure it out and fix it, and get dinner on the way too. Sex? You better get off your highhorse and be there emotionally for her tonight or else things may get even worse. Pain will be inflicted from her mouth, and you better be fine with that or she will add a crotch kick for good measure. Just because a little sex and support is all you need doesn’t mean she’ll allow for such a comparatively small demand. She has too much complaining to do anyway, if you would just spend more time with her she could move on to the next complaint- we never have enough money. Want sex or some other stress relief? Go ahead and ‘cheat’ and discover how much worse life can get.

Too many of the Western headcases just want to have fun at your expensive, misusing their power that only cripples our civilization full throttle and most don’t have a clue because they’re too fucking busy comparing themselves to their sisters, and care not for larger ideas anyway. It’s creating a vast ghetto society where responsibility is always for someone else. They abuse their freedom and it’s turning the West into a jungle with prisons and government programs and China gains strength. I cannot contribute.
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The hatred is out there
Post by Truthslayer on Mar 27, 2006, 3:10pm

If you think guys here are so unfair and nasty, head over there and disagree with them. I think you will find this place downright hospitable by comparison.

*just went there…it’s like an estrogen cocktail set on nuke at the mention of ‘equality’.. They tell you up front either tow THEIR party line or leave.

Ok, look, this is NOT Feminism 101. This is advanced, pissed off, rabid, extreme feminism. If you don’t like this sort of feminism then feel free to argue with us but we’re finally going to lay down a few concrete rules. We came to this decision based on what assholes have been doing over the last few months.

*The fun thing about it is, we DON’T have to argue with the rabid or the extreme…

why bother when there is MGTOW

QUOTE( Egghead @ Sep 10 2005, 06:23 PM) Wasn’t MGTOW (the philosophy, not the name) devised by Zenpriest as a means for Men to survive the ever-increasing feminist demands that are enforced by the government? Women have always said that they don’t need a man, they don’t want men’s involvement, etc. So the basic idea is to give them what they say they want. (Not what they really want, which is entitlement/gratification of their whims; but what they say they want.) We give them the absence of our company.

They can do anything a man can do? OK, you can change your own tires. You don’t want me to hold the door for you? OK, I’ll let it slam in your face. Uh, why on earth should I give up my seat for you? My speech is sexually harassing you? OK, I won’t talk to you any more. You need someone to fix your car/computer? OK, that’ll be $30 an hour – please sign this legally binding contract. Somebody hassling you at the bar? Better deal with it yourself honey. Prince Charming isn’t going to ride up on his gallant steed for any entitlement princesses any more.

No more special favors just because you’re “the weaker sex.” If you can’t do what a man can do on the battlefield, in full fire-fighter gear, etc., you can’t be a soldier, firefighter, etc.

You want to man bash out of your assumed moral superiority in front of me? Fine. Feel free. But then you can’t say anything about when I bash women in front of you. (Of course, they would though – and I’d like to avoid a harassment lawsuit if I can.)

You say you find it offensive that I distrust ALL women because of the actions of a few? Remind me again why I should care? You don’t seem to have any problems with offending me.

Interacting with women is a bad deal for men. Relationships with women is worse. Marriage to the modern American woman is the rawest deal of all. Over half of all marriages end in divorce. 2/3 of those are initiated by the woman. And she’s got 90% chance of getting the kids and the house. Tell me agian why I should finance the removal of my children from my life, and finance my own eviction? Not to mention that a vindictive woman can easily make a false accusation and I’m forever labeled a wife-beater, or a sexual harasser, or a rapist, or a child molester. Thanks, that’s just what I’m looking for. NOT!!! Thanks but no thanks.

You know, women and society consider me disposable – simply because I’m a man. Well, then, who could blame me for just disposing of my life in ways that I enjoy? Or that benefit ME? I’m not hurting anyone. I’m selfish? Yeah, so what? If I’m disposable, you won’t really miss me, now will you? But you just might miss the 4 million (and growing) never-married men under 40. But trust me ladies: we don’t miss you.

*Tina, THIS is the true power men have. To leave society and survive alone if need be. Why should men today buy into a system that is so against them? Charge the target of the Biting Beaver to a racial group and it would be condemned a hate site. Notice that the hatred and vitriol is directed at men, so it’s ok…or is it?

Tina, there are FAR more sites that have this sort of anger directed to and blaming men. THIS is what the men here are fighting against ending up like. If you want, try to go to their site and talk to them as you have talked to us…see how successful you are.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by RBK on Mar 27, 2006, 3:44pm

You know Ace, no offense but ever since I came here, nearly every post I’ve read of yours mentions getting trolled off of NG. Now I have no idea what happened, so I can’t really speak for whether or not you deserved it but ahm…consider letting go. You can be a PUA all you want to, I don’t really care. MGTOW: if picking up women is that way for you, have at it. But hon, it’s just a message board. It’s the internet. No biggie, no blood, no guts, no foul.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by grandcurmudgeon on Mar 27, 2006, 3:58pm

Mar 27, 2006, 3:44pm, RBK wrote:
You know Ace, no offense but ever since I came here, nearly every post I’ve read of yours mentions getting trolled off of NG. Now I have no idea what happened, so I can’t really speak for whether or not you deserved it but ahm…consider letting go. You can be a PUA all you want to, I don’t really care. MGTOW: if picking up women is that way for you, have at it. But hon, it’s just a message board. It’s the internet. No biggie, no blood, no guts, no foul.

Well said, RBK. To me, there’s not much overlap between being a PUA and being a genuinely nice guy. There may be some poetic justice in using the users, but guys like that just validate a lot of the complaints I hear from women about men.

It bothers me about equally when a nice guy gets jerked around by a skank and when a nice girl gets jerked around by a player.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by BOY on Mar 27, 2006, 4:19pm

Mar 26, 2006, 5:56pm, niceguy78 wrote:

I do not agree with the men who say that there is a heirarchy of men – women – children.

I am sorry Tina, this is nature, this is life. This is how mammals are, we as humans are mammals.

You cannot change this, I cannot change this, no one can change this.

But our society in the last 40 years has tried to change this. What has it done?

It has turned the once most powerful society in the world, into the whipping boy of a bunch of guys living in freaking caves. Our society is dying. How much longer does it have, or can it be saved, I cannot answer.

But once you break the factual set of life…

Man >> Woman >> Child

You have fucked up nature. It would be much the same as you drinking some battery acid. It isn’t for your body to digest, hence you will collapse.

I seriously doubt you have any education or training in ecology, animal behavior, natural history, or evolutionary biology. This is not true by any stretch of the imagination.

Matriarchy is more common (or at least as common) than patriarchy in mammals. Three obvious examples are lions, elephants, and dolphins. Promiscuity is more common and monogamy is a rarity in nature. Even in species that exhibit monogamous behavior (swans for instance..do a search on mating behavior swans, you will see a lot of articles relevant to this subject), there is some percentage of promiscuity happening. Some percentage of male swans end up raising chicks that are not biologically his.

Don’t use the argument that patriarchy is the natural order of things, it simply isn’t true. Rather, it might be correct to say patriarchy is has been the foundation of human civilization since the beginning of recorded history. It has worked for homo sapiens for 10,000 years plus and it is one of the things that makes us different from the animal world. In other words, its one of the things that makes us human.

If you’d like to educate yourself on this subject, here are a few good places to start:

Journal of Evolutionary Biology

Journal of Animal Behavior

Evolution and Ecology @ nature.com

Don’t berate people using arguments that are not true.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by grandcurmudgeon on Mar 27, 2006, 4:33pm

Quote:
if you want a taste…just respond & I will entertain you…

No thanks, if you want someone to play with – go play with yourself. Keep looking for a fight, someone will eventually oblige you. I find you completely boring, and not worth my time at all.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by xfgh on Mar 27, 2006, 5:06pm

Mar 27, 2006, 4:34pm, acepoindexter wrote:

Mar 27, 2006, 4:33pm, grandcurmudgeon wrote:
No thanks, if you want someone to play with – go play with yourself. Keep looking for a fight, someone will eventually oblige you. I find you completely boring, and not worth my time at all.

good choice…it is a sunny day
Ace Poindexter
Women will always pick the ace of spades over the king of hearts.

you are nothing but annoying. nothing
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by RBK on Mar 27, 2006, 5:23pm

Mar 27, 2006, 5:09pm, acepoindexter wrote:

Mar 27, 2006, 3:44pm, RBK wrote:
You know Ace, no offense but ever since I came here, nearly every post I’ve read of yours mentions getting trolled off of NG. Now I have no idea what happened, so I can’t really speak for whether or not you deserved it but ahm…consider letting go. You can be a PUA all you want to, I don’t really care. MGTOW: if picking up women is that way for you, have at it. But hon, it’s just a message board. It’s the internet. No biggie, no blood, no guts, no foul.

You know …I might see the logic of your post under diffrent sercumstances…

But since you were totaly blind to the tyrade that Truthslayer laid out on me…He & the NG thugs are like this all over the net…spreading thier version of love…One day I hope you can feel thier love…just like I did…I`m sure youll be tickled by thier hospitality as I was…

I serve them thier own cooking back to them…they for some reason dont like the taste of thier own fair..

I question your objectivity…as many NG boys are on here posting under diffrent names & claiming to be innocent bystanders…like you are….

They made the rules I play by…talk to them if you dont like it…

Ace Poindexter

Women will always pick the ace of spades over the king of hearts.

I read Truth’s posts to you…I’ve followed this thread. I’m not totally blind, I just can’t say either way who is right. I can’t take sides other than my perception of your posts, so you don’t really have the call to get testy at me.

If you are implying that I am NOT an innocent bystander, I’d have to say you’re bordering on paranoid. I’ve read NiceGuy’s site, true enough, but I have not registered to their board, at any time past or present.

Whether the NG members of this site are right or wrong…they’re obviously not going to treat you like a prince here and not there. Were you expecting for it not to carry over? You don’t have to reply to every little offhand remark. I would think there are enough non-NG’s here to make the issue paltry. A lot of things said here hit my buttons, but I don’t jump into the fray.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by Lee on Mar 27, 2006, 5:32pm

Quote:
Mar 27, 2006, 5:09pm, acepoindexter wrote:

You know Ace, no offense but ever since I came here, nearly every post I’ve read of yours mentions getting trolled off of NG. Now I have no idea what happened, so I can’t really speak for whether or not you deserved it but ahm…consider letting go. You can be a PUA all you want to, I don’t really care. MGTOW: if picking up women is that way for you, have at it. But hon, it’s just a message board. It’s the internet. No biggie, no blood, no guts, no foul.

You know …I might see the logic of your post under different sercumstances…

But since you were totally blind to the tirade that Truthslayer laid out on me..

Uh Ace, it isn’t up to others to stick up for you. You can do that yourself, just as everyone else does for themselves.

Quote: He & the NG thugs are like this all over the net…spreading their version of love…One day I hope you can feel their love…just like I did…I`m sure you’ll be tickled by their hospitality as I was…

You have to ask yourself Ace. If most of the time you post, you end up getting a hostile reply, maybe it has something to do with you and how you post and argue.

Quote: I serve them their own cooking back to them…they for some reason don’t like the taste of their own fair..

No you don’t, you just think that you do. Your posts are tragically lacking in grammar, weak on facts, and infrequently use logic over emotion.

Quote: I question your objectivity…as many NG boys are on here posting under different names & claiming to be innocent bystanders…like you are…

This is just paranoia, something that has become part of your online personality.

Anyone who disagrees with you is likely an ‘NG boy’ posting under a synonym.

Maybe, Ace, your arguments are universally criticised for what they lack by anyone with some logical backbone. Maybe.

Maybe you cannot accept the weaknesses in your arguments, and construct a victim psychology with alleged ‘NG thugs’ as your constant adversaries, and the only ones who would dare to disagree with you.

Quote: They made the rules I play by…talk to them if you don’t like it…

1) The rules you believe that you play by are filtered through your own reality filter. You are, quite simply, wrong in your assessment of your experience at NG. Maybe, one day, you will gain the maturity and selfknowledge to realise why you were placed in trollville at NG. I hope so, for your sake.

2) This is an unacceptable point of view for any mature, rational adult.

“They did it first, so it’s ok that I do it, too.”

He killed my neighbor, so I can too.

He stole from the store, so I can too.

etc…
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by RBK on Mar 27, 2006, 5:48pm

I didn’t say I agree or disagree. Truth has been “fair enough” to me, so I have no reason to call him out any beef you two have.

As aforementioned, I based my post to you on what I’ve seen.

Even when you’re NOT talking to an NG member directly, your posts *almost* invariably involve “well, I was trolled off of NG, and they post here, so don’t take it personally, they don’t like to make friends” or any variation thereof.

I was pointing out to you that you’re holding onto something that… really doesn’t seem like it’s worth sinking your teeth into.

Again, it’s a message board. It’s not like they slapped you in front of your grandmother and called you their little b*tch.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by RBK on Mar 27, 2006, 6:01pm

Why, on God’s green earth, would I chime in like “I got a pair”? And Sir? Do me a favor and look at the author bracket. FEMALE…

I’m not demonizing you, by any means. I don’t have a problem with you, I’m not agreeing with Truth either way. My post has nothing to do with what Truth, or anyone else said. Just you.

You and I have no issue, as far as I’m concerned. Don’t make it one.
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Let’s get this over with
Post by Truthslayer on Mar 27, 2006, 6:23pm

RBK, I’ll just say this…
The same testiness he shows here, he showed at Mancoat.

Here’s what irked him:

All corportations are responsible for the actions of those under its umbrella. what got this started was one of your new members…went on another site & started laying into a woman who was minding her own business…with a savage attack that was to no ones profit..Then came back here & braged about his sniper attack..One of your new empowered , with a new voice on the loose…Since I can smell trouble… I gave him shit for making enemies when you cant afford them……Since you still have not learned what a woman & a lawyer can do…I will give you some free advice….

Reel in your fanatics from going on slander attacks on other sites…. cause with the open colaboration of the leadership here…the law sees it like you wrote them yourself…..

*Notice it was not a veteran member, but a NEW one. Ace, who himself was new, decided to act as a mod and exercise power he himself did not have. He wasn’t there long enough to understand NG:

Chrisvet The level of support or feelings many guys get from this forum is of paramount importance to their lives. Spending a few days in other MRA type unmoderated forums can be frustrating because it lacks the very fabric that creates a supportive environment.

This is “home base” to many of us on both a comaradery level and a safety level. There’s enough shit out there to deal with in XYZ forums / real world / work place / school / media we have to deal with. There’s a warmth and brotherhood that’s felt by many members here, and in this case – the mob does rule. (Edit – Nig. “But we’re all individualists really!” ) No assholes allowed. Someone disagrees? so what? Everyone disagrees, but when that slack line of diplomacy / manners gets crossed – and the perma-insults start flying for days / weeks on end, they get warned a few times, then banned.

For once we have a group of good guys who stick up for each other – something this damn world needs more of. Ace needs to figure out many of us respect the hell out of each other. Not just because we’re ‘used to each other’, but because we’ve read 1000’s of each others thoughts, ideas, and come to share a great friendship / appreciation for one another.

Ace’s reaction: After reading this post & looking at the time it was posted…something struck me…& scared me……It sent a shiver up my spine….

I gave this post futher thought…..Its a good example of what scares me here….Yesturday Zimmy your talking about me like I`m fresh air & today your talking like i`m the plague…..this is a great demonstration of the power the top level has over the minds on here….its scary….. Chris vet posted…..on the most part against me.saying he would normaly ban me in second..& you cant wait to cover your tracks & even correct yourself……I was trying to stay around learn more about the problems between men & women, also if there was anyone in the future that wanted help dating or in other areas. to rejoin the game..Id be here…….It was for guys like you & others that might want to rejoin the party that I would stick it out here & bear it.(have to watch the crazy language & nutty behavior of some of the members)…your own policies say you wont stand for it..but its only me trying to inforce it…..for that I get trolled…

Anyways with friends like you…..& others who are totaly silent…who needs enemies…. By the amount of times Ive seen people on here jump to name calling & ridicule…Its like you have been called all those names you used on me, in the past…..like if you use a word your suddenly an expert on it…& can deal ridicule out like you know what your doing,,, thus justifing in your own mind you cant be what you call someone else…But it realy only tells me you were the victim of that word in the past & need to exercise yourself of it.

So lets part ways……You guys made a decision that you keep working on me till we got to this point…well here we are…..congratulations

I was willing to take one for the team cause mens causes are worth it… & women are like solving a rubix cube in the dark….You guys have every excuse in the world. I have stood up for men who might want to work it out….none of the people here who debated me can call themselves innocent. You wanted me gone from when I gave that dude shit who went slandering off site…its a favorite hobby of some here….so me calling that guy on it…was like I was taking you to task also….

Jaded put up an anti PUA post….& when we debated it, he used that debate to sugest I get trolled…You guys wanted me gone…wow….it worked…you got rid of one if the best PUAs who has wandered in here…

Like whats the point of me staying Chris?…all the men here are under your spell….you say jump…& they will..I`m not a trained pony….I hope you know what your doing chris….cause its scary…..

You have power chris…use it wisely….

Chris you said you would usualy ban a guy like me….well …do it…. when I thought about this guys post ….it made me realize that people just jump from one belief system to another & will go agaisnt thier own judgment just to get exceptance….I`m sorry but my soul is more exspensive than that.

Set phazer to kill….I`m ready….blast away.

Chrisvet

Ok, if you insist.

Fasten your seatbelt.

Thus, Ace learned the effect of the MGTOW policy:

So the basic idea is to give them what they say they want. (Not what they really want, which is entitlement/gratification of their whims; but what they say they want.) We give them the absense of our company.

So, this all started because Ace attacked someone and basically showed a disrespect to the board and it’s members. If a new member causes trouble or is a potential threat, the MODS are capable of handling it. They are not mods with dictator power, they are OLDER EXPERIENCED men, kinda like the ones who tend to make better judgement calls.

Ace showed disrespect to his fellow members, the mods, the fact it was a private board and assumed power he didn’t have. THAT’S why he was banned.

It also shows Tina and others that men DO respect other men…when they EARN it.

If we cannot respect others, then we ourselves get no respect. That, Tina, is why sites like this exist. We learn how to RESPECT others by earning it, not just assuming we have it because of our gender.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by RBK on Mar 27, 2006, 6:58pm

Again, Ace, I was not defending ANYONE. I was making a remark on YOUR posts that I’VE read.

There are plenty of radicals here, and some or even most of them post on NG. Funny, even if they did run around slandering another woman for this or that, they’ve left me entirely alone. Live and let live. And if you’re calling TruthSlayer one of the worst offenders…well, you and I seem to be looking at two different people.

And I could follow what went on just fine. I don’t see anything “scary” about Chrisvet’s reply, you asked to get banned, you did. Even so, it’s clearly not the whole story, I wasn’t there, I won’t take sides in this issue.

Not for TruthSlayer, not for you, Ace.

In this thread, Logic101 (whom I, by the way, admire very much) disagreed with you in a very placid manner and you jumped all over it moaning about NG and then were shocked to discover that no one wanted to hear it. From what I can tell, all this happened quite a while ago and you’re still holding on to a trivial matter like a rabid terrier.

I was, and still am, perfectly courteous to you, but for some reason you “question my objectivity” and went one step short of accusing me of hiding behind a different moniker. If one of the NG members asks me to put in my 2 cents on their site, I’d be happy to, in which case I doubt I’d have a heckuva lot of problems there either.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by pointA on Mar 27, 2006, 7:16pm

Mar 27, 2006, 4:19pm, BOY wrote:

Mar 26, 2006, 5:56pm, niceguy78 wrote:
I do not agree with the men who say that there is a heirarchy of men – women – children.I am sorry Tina, this is nature, this is life. This is how mammals are, we as humans are mammals.

You cannot change this, I cannot change this, no one can change this.

But our society in the last 40 years has tried to change this. What has it done?

It has turned the once most powerful society in the world, into the whipping boy of a bunch of guys living in freaking caves. Our society is dying. How much longer does it have, or can it be saved, I cannot answer.

But once you break the factual set of life…

Man >> Woman >> Child

You have fucked up nature. It would be much the same as you drinking some battery acid. It isn’t for your body to digest, hence you will collapse.

Rather, it might be correct to say patriarchy is has been the foundation of human civilization since the beginning of recorded history. It has worked for homo sapiens for 10,000 years plus and it is one of the things that makes us different from the animal world

That’s all we need to know!
How stupid are modern american women that laugh at 10,000 years of
history and decide that their way is better?
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by male guest on Mar 27, 2006, 7:48pm

Mar 27, 2006, 7:16pm, pointA wrote:
How stupid are modern american women that laugh at 10,000 years of history and decide that their way is better?

How stupid are modern american women?

VERY stupid. Really fuckin stupid. Dumbfuck stupid LOL

Oh yeah – what a keeper: American Woman! :) LOL
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by celibateforlife on Mar 27, 2006, 8:05pm

Ace -
Give it a rest. No one cares.
Love,
The World
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by RBK on Mar 27, 2006, 9:17pm

Let’s make this as painless as possible, shall we?

Dec 31, 1969, 6:59pm, acepoindexter wrote:
I know how much the urge is to engratiate yourself with the status quo can be,….I date women all the time & know how much they need to be excetpted by the committe of they…so as a man I hold no ill will ..cause I know women….

If I didn’t agree with what’s being said here, I wouldn’t be here, period. That’s not the same as trying to ingratiate myself.

The only person whose approval I’m out to get is my S.O. else I’d be looking for yours too, wouldn’t I?

Dec 31, 1969, 6:59pm, acepoindexter wrote: But know this…you have now engratiated yourself..with some very intresting people…I really dont care what you think of me…..But i do encourage you to join NG…& see for yourself who you have jumped in bed with…I know a friend when I see one…& your Truthslayers friend now… so go & see what your friends are like…

I am courteous and respectful to everyone, including you, end of story. And again, only one person I “jump into bed with” figuratively or literally.

Until you troll and make it personal, I’m proper. You’re making it personal and are about 2.3 seconds from trying to troll me, and I’m STILL being nice to you.

Dec 31, 1969, 6:59pm, acepoindexter wrote: Dont message me back again until you have joined the NG site…..come back to me in a month & tell me how great they are & how much of an ass I am…I would love to see that…

When did I EVER in even the vaguest way even so much as imply that you’re an ass?

*snort*

Now who isn’t so good at making friends?

But I am done bickering, thank you. Why don’t YOU message ME again when you read instead of singing “nobody likes me everybody hates me”. Repeatedly. 8-)
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by Truthslayer on Mar 27, 2006, 10:59pm

“Wait right there, little troll…I need to make sure my man’s beer is restocked so that he doesn’t have to stop playing his 360″ –Me

*Off topic, but are you gonna get him a PS3? Just wondering.

On topic-

Tina, I recommend you look through the site for Shoveling the Gravel and The Men’s Movement, Lost Sheep, and how do these moccasins fit?

This link will explain a LOT about how men view the female gender today.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by RBK on Mar 27, 2006, 11:01pm

Actually, I’m the playstation fan. So yea, we’ll have a PS3, but most likely I’ll be the one using it
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by Truthslayer on Mar 27, 2006, 11:29pm

Actually, I’m the playstation fan. So yea, we’ll have a PS3, but most likely I’ll be the one using it.

*Guess now would be a good time for me to finally get a PS2. Besides FFX!! and KH2 are coming out. I’ve been enjoying emulation too much to actually play consoles for a while.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by RBK on Mar 27, 2006, 11:33pm

*drool* FFXII …prince of persia 2 thrones isn’t bad either.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by Truthslayer on Mar 27, 2006, 11:42pm

*drool* FFXII

*Ah, a fellow Square fan, eh? Lemme guess..FFVII or FFX when it was still Squaresoft?

PoP-2…I’llhave to play it over my friends place, then.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by RBK on Mar 27, 2006, 11:46pm

*Ah, a fellow Square fan, eh? Lemme guess..FFVII or FFX when it was still Squaresoft?

You betcha (*Edit for clarification: I played both…although, let me say this, I HATE CHOCOBOS!! With a passion *growl*). Fair Warning:

Careful with PoP though…the Dark Prince is one annoying little SOB that dies constantly and you have to hussle to get from A to B.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by Truthslayer on Mar 28, 2006, 1:20am

I HATE CHOCOBOS!! With a passion *growl*

*What, they’re just giant chickens and the ONLY creatures NOT against you. Sorry, I’ve been a Square fan since 1992 with FFIV and well, I’m going to finish them all…except XI…not a mmorpg fan. Hey, raising and racing one is easy…it’s a good lesson in patience and how NOT to break a game system.

PoP…reminds me of trying to get thru 200 lightning strikes without getting hit…NEVER volunteer to help a friend do that…it drives you NUTS.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by RBK on Mar 28, 2006, 2:40am

To be quite honest, patience isn’t really my strong point unless it has a direct effect on my life in the real world. Chocobos don’t count in that area. Plllbt. Chocobos. lol, I tried playing XI, but I had it on PC because my x-ps2 (I have a new one now) was on crack and I didn’t think it would survive a hard drive…anywho, the controls were all sorts of messed up, and I never did really get a hang of it. I have to agree though…not a big mmorpg fan as it is. I played X-2 as well. The battle system ruled, but the plot was…a little lacking to say the least. The graphics blew me away though, and I did enjoy the Yunapalooza thing. Even if it’s girly oriented, I’d still recommend it for the battle sys alone.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by Mikhail on Mar 28, 2006, 6:05am

Fellas, no offense, but this is seriously degenerating into schoolyard politics here.

There are times when the media portrays the MRA community in (shall we say) a less than favorable light.

Stop and think for a moment what opinion a disinterested observer would think of the majority of posts on this thread; do the preceding several pages of posts make us here on the site look like anything but a collection of bickering children?

Seriously, gents, stop for a second and take a moment for reflection. For pages and pages now, this thread has seriously resembled the kind of thing you would find in an elementary school playground.

I really do not mean to offend anyone by stating this obvious fact, but, no kidding folks, I’m just waiting for someone to start typing in Joo Are Teh Suxors!

To the original thread starter, my apologies for this rather inane diversion.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by noticer on Mar 28, 2006, 2:38pm

The blame may lie somewhere around:

22 posts in this one by Acepoindexter.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by Heath R on Mar 28, 2006, 3:10pm

Mar 27, 2006, 4:19pm, BOY wrote:
Mar 26, 2006, 5:56pm, niceguy78 wrote:

I do not agree with the men who say that there is a heirarchy of men – women – children.

I am sorry Tina, this is nature, this is life. This is how mammals are, we as humans are mammals.

You cannot change this, I cannot change this, no one can change this.

But our society in the last 40 years has tried to change this. What has it done?

It has turned the once most powerful society in the world, into the whipping boy of a bunch of guys living in freaking caves. Our society is dying. How much longer does it have, or can it be saved, I cannot answer.

But once you break the factual set of life…

Man >> Woman >> Child

You have fucked up nature. It would be much the same as you drinking some battery acid. It isn’t for your body to digest, hence you will collapse.

I seriously doubt you have any education or training in ecology, animal behavior, natural history, or evolutionary biology. This is not true by any stretch of the imagination.

Matriarchy is more common (or at least as common) than patriarchy in mammals. Three obvious examples are lions, elephants, and dolphins. Promiscuity is more common and monogamy is a rarity in nature. Even in species that exhibit monogamous behavior (swans for instance..do a search on mating behavior swans, you will see a lot of articles relevant to this subject), there is some percentage of promiscuity happening. Some pecetage of male swans end up raising chicks that are not biologically his.

Don’t use the argument that patriarchy is the natural order of things, it simply isn’t true. Rather, it might be correct to say patriarchy is has been the foundation of human civilization since the beginning of recorded history. It has worked for homo sapiens for 10,000 years plus and it is one of the things that makes us different from the animal world. In other words, its one of the things that makes us human.

If you’d like to educate yourself on this subject, here are a few good places to start:

Journal of Evolutionary Biology

Journal of Animal Behavior

Evolution and Ecology

Don’t berate people using arguments that are not true.

Then put down that computer and return to the jungle, you monkey. Nobody is forcing civilization on you. You choose it, because for most humans it’s natural to seek civilization instead of a ghetto (jungle) environment. Then again, when it’s a jungle out there, anyone could be the molded-culprit eh?
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by Nick on Mar 29, 2006, 12:11am

“Wow, I was lucky, I got the one good one, I can actually say I was lucky to get married”.

Before you all start with the bashing, let me tell you a little about my wife. We met when we were seventeen and both in highschool. We fell in love and quickly became best friends. That is the secret to our relationship. She is my best friend. We married when we were nineteen, and we were both working jobs making a little over six dollars an hour. What could have moved me to marry? I loved how alive she was/ is. She knows how to have fun. She is, I swear, a borderline nympho. But there are other things that she likes to do. She loves sports and working on cars as much as she likes to sew or cook. She has never in all of the years we have been together asked me to do something that she won”t do. If I can’t get around to it because of work, she will mow the grass or change the oil on the weekends, telling me the whole time that marriage is a partnership.

My wife and I put ourselves through college. I got a great job, and we both worked towards our goal of owning a home. Never in all of our years together has my wife ever put us in credit card debt. We saved all of our money and paid cash for a house. Now we live in an upscale neighborhood, and my wife does stay at home with our son. She is not idle by any means though and has an internet business that does very well, but breakfast is always on the table before I go to work and dinner is always on the table at seven. She actually told me after Owen was born that she felt guilty when she wasn’t bringing any money into the household, and that’s what caused her to launch a business.

Then, just when I thought my wife couldn’t get any better, she comes home today bitching about the women in our neighborhood. I suggested that she get to know them better, because she doesn’t really get along with very many women, and so she doesn’t have any real female friends. She came in the door complaining about her shopping trip with them and repeating to me several times that one woman actually was bragging about her $2000 purse. Holly (that’s her name) was floored, and vowed that she would never “associate herself with those gold digging bitches again”.

I am lucky because I am happy with my life and with the woman who has stood beside me for a good part of it. I have a beautiful son. My house is paid for. My cars are paid for, and I never worry about the laundry or cleaning. I have a woman who cooks two meals a day for me, who loves cars, and whose idea of the perfect present is the most recent book she has been wanting. I don’t know if I mentioned it, but she loves to read, and is the cheapest female on the planet. I offered to buy her a better ring set for Christmas, because all she has is a simple gold band from when we were poor. She refused, saying that there was no point in expensive jewelry that serves no function in caring for a child and a house. She is low maintenance. Each to his own though. Some men wouldn’t be happy with that, but I am.

By all means, most women out there can be horrible to men and will sell themselves to a man for half of everything he owns. After all, it’s the world’s oldest profession, right? However, sometimes there is a woman that is loving and honest. I married my wife almost eight years ago. I have never regretted it. Everything that we own, she was right there beside me doing her part to earn it. She has only screamed or nagged at me a handful of times in our long relationship, and I truly think of myself as lucky to have her. I know men get fucked in divorces. Some women even make a career of fucking men in divorces, but if my wife decides to leave and take half of everything that I own then I know that she worked her ass off at her little crappy job helping to support me through college and then helping to save up for a house, and so she probably deserves half of it. Just posting this to let you know that there are exceptions to the rule. God knows from my coworkers and the stories on the internet that there just aren’t that many in America today.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by polo on Mar 29, 2006, 1:23am

Congratulations Nick, you found the one woman in America worth marrying.

Marriage in America is, at best, a high risk / low reward investment.

I’ll pass.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by njslave on Mar 29, 2006, 1:47am

Nick, I really hope that you’re still reading.

Great for you, your wonderful wife sounds exactly like mine WAS. You’re married for 8 years, big deal, last December I made it to 21 years. She got to stay at home for 16 years, after we started having children, while my career moved ahead very well.

Like yours, she also didn’t spend much, so OUR savings built up. And she was/is an excellent mother. She’s a strong catholic. Goes to bible study every week. And recently because of our divorce, she became a school teacher. Even though when we first married, she had accounting degree, great job, and then later through a management training program, even became a commercial loan officer for a major bank. Had she kept working, she would easiey be making over 6 figures. But she wanted to put our children first, and I admit that I really admired that. So I worked harder and longer hours than most people to make up for it, even though I admit, I do not have a college degree myself.

So fast forward to around 5 years ago when things changed. No cheating. No abuse. She wanted to live in a warmer location (Florida) while I make too much money here in NJ. I thought we could make the long distance thing work until maybe 10 more years, I could cash in and move to Florida too, still in my mid-fifties.

I live in one of the most expensive towns in NJ, and my house was almost paid off, so we refinanced it to buy the Florida house CASH, no mortgage, also in a very upscale expensive town.

Obviously like most women, she knew much more than I did about divorce. Like a typical guys, I guess that had my head in the sand all these years. Working hard, being a dad, as much as possible, such as coaching all their teams in every sport. I was consumed by many major home improvement projects. And I’m a sports nut. I also focused on my hobbies, like woodworking. So the last thing I was interested in were divorce laws. After all, that only happens to everyone else. So if I was a “good guy” and did all the “right things” it wasn’t going to happen to me anyway.

Heck, I had thought divorce was only for the losers, who cheat, drink or abuse, or pick the wrong women to marry.

I still think my ex-wife (to be) is much better than most women. And from what I’ve learned, she could’ve financially raped me through the courts much worse. And because I kept my cool, when she often lost hers, we were able to work out many of the fine points of the negotiation ourselves. My 3rd laywer (a woman who’s sick of entitlement women herself) doesn’t mind me working out the details with her directly.

But here’s the deal, Nick. You say if you did get divorced, your wife deserves half. Gee, me too! I never had a problem with that. In my case she gets almost 900k. That includes 550-580k for the Florida house with no mortgage, and over 200k from my 401k and the rest in cash and stock.

No problem, right, Nick? You still with me buddy? Alimony for life dude! I was shocked, but I guess I was just stupid. (Hey Tina are you still reading this too??) OK, so that’s around 38k for the next 20 years, and tax deductible, plus 26k (tax free for her) in child support for TWO children, until they complete college in around 8 more years. And I have ZERO input into how that money is spent, if she spends it on them at all. Oh yeah, and I have to supply 8k to each for a car (just signed one over) plus half college costs (over what we’ve already saved) etc.etc.

Anyway, I’m lucky, since she wants total freedom and control, to possibly co-habit with someone else in the future, she decided to switch to a flat payout instead. So I only owe her 350k payable over the next 9 years, immediate if I sell the NJ house. (Kim Cole are you reading this honey?? now understand why good boys gone bad and don’t want to marry?)

So try working (and keeping) your job, while going through the pain of a divorce, and knowing that if you get laid off, you’ll be lucky to get a job for half of what you were making, knowing that you’ll have to sell your house to pay someone 350k, but still be up against a court system that will resist lowering your child support obligation.

So Nick, you said split 50-50? That would be nice. If I get laid off, chances are my half will be wiped out quickly, and I’ll be starting from scratch with nothing after 30 years, and she’ll have everything (except my 50% of the 401k, unless I have to liquidate that too!) And by then, who knows, maybe some other guy will move the Florida house that I worked and paid for.

I am entering nothing more than SLAVERY and praying I can make it 9 years to freedom. That’s not freedom from her. It’s basic freedom from my own government.

So if you want to wave the flag, talk about freedom, and sing “Proud to be an American” well that’s only cool until you get pulled into the FAMILY court system. Then you realize how powerless you really are.

BTW, been lurking for awhile, I’ll register eventually and post more of my story. You guys rock. Family court is a nightmare where Constitution Rights means nothing. We have to get the word out to all of the decent young working men.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by prince batshit on Mar 29, 2006, 3:25am

Tremendous post there njslave, and welcome to the board.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by Mikhail on Mar 29, 2006, 6:34am

The real terror of our current legal situation is that stories like njslave’s are NOT uncommon at all. They are literally everywhere you look.

A couple of years ago I had the somewhat dismal experience of helping a friend of mine go through the Bankruptcy court system.

During the initial hearing the judge looked at my pal and asked him point blank how he had managed to screw up his finances so badly (my friend is a union electrician and had a habit of working serious amounts of overtime, so his paychecks were very, very healthy).

Totally deadpan, my friend looked at the judge and said: “Well, there’s this woman…”

At which point the judge held up his hand in an authoritative manner and told my friend, and I quote, “enough”.

The judge then went on to say: “I don’t know if this will make you feel better or worse about your situation but… As a bankruptcy judge, I see a lot of guys like you come through here. A LOT of guys. So, at least you know you are not the only one.”

At which point I looked around the courtroom, and I could not help but notice that several other obviously depressed men in attendance that day had suddenly become riveted by the judge’s words.

And people sometimes ask me why I won’t get married. Pffft!
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by grandcurmudgeon on Mar 29, 2006, 7:26am

“Before you all start with the bashing, let me tell you a little about my wife.”

Well, good for you. Now, what’s your point? Few of the guys here are still in HS with the opportunity to live your autobiography. You got the kind of girl most guys here are looking for. Lucky you.

Now, what is the point of your bragging about her? Just want to make other guys envious?

Now, let me tell you about good friend of mine from HS. She was the literal “girl next door” – she did live right next door to me. She married a guy right of of HS, a football star and well known “bad boy.” All of the guys thought he was a complete jerk, but in addition to being a jock and a bad boy, he came from a wealthy family.

The marriage only lasted 3 years, no kids, so the only thing she got as a settlement was that he (actually his family) had to put her through college. A few years later she married a friend of mine who was about 10 years older – an MD with a VERY successful practice. They had one daughter who never lacked for anything – piano, violin, or ballet lessons, the best clothes, private school, etc.

BranMuffin was a juvenile diabetic who like many of them did not accept that fact and take care of herself. By the time she was in her 40s she had a chronic sore on one of her feet which would not heal, and her kidneys were both gone. So, my buddy financed and supported her through some very expensive wound treatments and dialysis. Eventually she got on a waiting list for a kidney transplant. He sold his medical practice so he could take care of her during the transplant process and recovery.

After a couple of years she was having some real problems so they flew back out east to spend time at Johns Hopkins where the transplant was done. Turns out her body was rejecting the kidney.

When they got back, he found the house completely cleaned out, and divorce papers on the kitchen counter. In addition to what he got for his medical practice, he had a sizable inheritance. She went after all of them.

Unfortunately for her, she was fairly stupid about the whole thing – or it may just have been timing. The kid was already out of the home and through college, so there was no child support. It may have been that she just waited until he bought her the new kidney to make her move and timing didn’t work out for her.

After a period of feeling hurt and betrayed, my buddy got PISSED and decided to make it total war. He did not live in a community property state, she quit work the week before they got married and had never contributed one cent to the marital assets, and all her care and expenses were well documented.

His legal bills were very modest considering the circumstances – only a little over $30,000. Hers were over $100,000 because she was sure she had a slam dunk and would have plenty of $$ to pay them off “when” she won.

The only problem was – she didn’t win, anything.

When the smoke cleared, she got the household goods she had arranged to have looted out of the house, her clothes, and her new kidney – which in a cruel bit of poetic justice had failed. She got none of his assets, nothing for her medical or legal bills, and alimony of one dollar per year! She’s now working as a clerk in a SteinMart.

My buddy is now in his mid-60s, fully retired, and quite comfortably set for life financially. His daughter is out on her own following her mother’s example of looking for wealthy man to marry. When he met one of the potential future chumps, all he had to do was say “she takes after her mother” and roll his eyes and the guy got the message.

So, congrats on your immense good fortune in finding a good one, Nick. But, so what? Both of those women in my buddy’s life are out there swimming in the dating pool looking for a sucker, who will not have the advantage of having met them in HS and being their best friend.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by Truthslayer on Mar 29, 2006, 8:52am

grandcurmudgeon, EXCELLENT story.

*Notice how she CHANGED over the years. Notice how she EXPECTED to get everything and have no problems. Now a second generation of girls is working the same angle. Is it worth it?

Here’s an email I received recently:

Before I get started I would just like to say Hi. Now that thats all over with. I’ve got issues. I would like your honest opinion as being a neutral party to the situation. I don’t think that I like my husband anymore. Now I do know that I love him dearly, I just don’t like the person that he is or has became. As much as I try to overlook that and still be the warm and loving wife that I am, It ain’t working for me.

Heres my complaint:

As a husband and father you should want to spend some time with your family. Well he does work and I do appreciate that (cause you know how some of yall men can be) But thats it. I just feel that he gives me no help with the kids. He really thinks that I am the only one that should care for them. Well I try to reason that he also have some serious health issues going on and I pray daily to give me empathy for my husband. Because I dont want him to suffer and to go through any pain. However, I just feel that he can get up and do whatever it is that he wants to do, but when it is concerning me and the kids he just dont appear to be interested. I get to the point that I try to do other things to keep me afloat. I know as a man your probaly thinking Is that It. But it goes deeper, As a woman I need something besides a paycheck. I need emotional and mental and spiritual support. I don’t get it. However I do try to give it. To my husband and of course to my children. But who is there for me to lean on. The man that I wish to be there is not. You know its one thing being lonely and alone because you are. (meaning that you have no one in your life due to not being married or dating) But its a whole different ball game when you are married with a family and you still feel lonely and alone. I just wish that he would pay me some kind of attention. The only time he really talks to me if its about something that he wants to talk about (ex. sports, some history channel show, or some black and white show, westerns, or music.) if it is not about one of those subjects then nine times out of ten he don’t have a lot to say. I just wish for once that he would show an interest in me and what I like and what I want. He probaly dont even know what my favorite color is. The bible tells us to deal with our marriage mate according to knowledge, I try to do that I know that my husband is this way but I still try to let him know that he is loved. I guess sometimes I get so tired up putting up the fight. For what. I am always depressed, Most of the time when he says things to me its normally about something that he feels that I am not doing right. (ex. tonight on the way home from book study he decides to be the passenger set driver. He thinks that my ideas are not the way it should be. Even my comments he likes to groteque me. And say well you should said this or that. I need some encouragement please! I talked to the elders about it, I haven’t talked to my husband about it in a while I guess because he has been sick and I try to keep the peace in the house. But inside I am tearing apart. So brother please pray for me as soon as you get this letter because I do truly need help. Alot of times I just want to grab my kids and go. Because this is an emotional helicopter that I am on. And I am about ready to jump off. We dont do spiritual things together. Everything I do, I do it by myself (me and the kids) I just want some companionship but if I am not going to get it, what is the point of being married. Just to say that you are and perhaps to have a little sex every now and then. please Now this is where you come in do you think that I am being a bit over sensitive. Or just get over it (like I always do anyway) I makes me feel like my feelings and emotions are not important. Like I a bad person for having them. Anyway sorry to bore you with my problems but I just had to tell somebody who did not go to my congregation and perhaps could give me some insight on what I need to do.

I look forward to hearing your reply

Desperately seeking something

Sincerely yours, Friend to the end (heidi ho)

* Whats going on. I write you and poor out my heart and what I get no response. Where is the love the support. Oops I forgot who I was writing. Sorry did I scare you away or what. Anyway Please write me and let me know that you are still breathing.

* Whats been going on stranger? It appears that I have officially been put off the list. I guess that you were telling me the truth about not emailing me. Anyway whats been really going on with you. I hope that life is treating you well. I may have a job. I went to a job fair at the Workforce Center, and I have an interview on Monday so hopefully that will go great. Please e-mail me as soon as possible I really enjoy talking to you. I do hope that you consider me as one of your friends. Because I truly do consider you as one of mine.

I look forward to hearing from you so

*The end result:

Pretty bad drama, eh?

It got worse.

She sent me an email wanting to talk. Seeing the above and a chance to charge for therapy, I agreed.

Sometimes being a mercenary threapist is NOT worth it.

She and I talked for three hours. It was the typical Lifetime story–girl raped at young age by stepfather, mom had a string of men during her younger years, she got put out of the house at 15, she’s looking for a father figure and attention that she never got. I listened, tried to give the man some benefit of the doubt since he was getting shafted, but that of course made me the enemy. Seems she’s been with this guy for 11 years and married 5, has had 7 children, 5 miscarriages and two girls, one with a disability due to the fact that they pulled her arm wrong at birth. This requires daily therapy and a lawsuit that will soon be settled. Since ‘he’ doesn’t seem to care about the girls, he’s not listed in the lawsuit.

Pretty bad, eh? Tip of the iceberg and more proof about the dangers of American women,

When the first part was written, HE was the only breadwinner, she was at home taking care of the girls and lamenting as you can see. The Center DID send her to a job, a nice job in which she’s making $45K a year, thus SHE is now the one making more money, paying the bills off, sending the girls to be cared for and thus he isn’t neglecting them. Seems she came home one day, found the six-year old daughter taking care of the two year old one with him not in sight. This angered her so she made sure they were taken care of. He now could sleep more during the day and work at night(due to illness, his job went to part time), she’d handle the rest. Nice, eh?

Of course, he’s not really speaking to her now, doesn’t want her to touch him, stays away from the family for the most part, despite her ‘urging him’ to join in, he sleeps on the sofa-has been doing that for three years-and has only joined her in the bedroom due to their current living situtation. She is tired of handling thigs alone, she feels she has no help or support and she wants some assurance and attention from her HUSBAND, that’s all she wants.

Ah, a husband, eh? Forgot to mention they first met when she saw this guy looking at her and, well, ‘things happened’, according to her. She needed somewhere to stay, he was horny, and soon she was pregnant. He seemed shocked and suprised, seems he had already been married one and cheated on HIS wife, so he wasn’t exactly looking forward to being a father again. So, she moved in and they started living together, each doing their own thing. This included drugs and drinking on both their parts. I asked her ‘WHAT made you think you could really develop a relationship out of what was originally a booty call? At no point have I heard you two developing a deep love and understanding that would make a marriage last. All I see is selfishness and whining about MEMEME!!! You keep saying about what YOU want, HE didn’t expect to become a father, you BOTH should have expected an outcome could possibly happen, but HE didn’t run, he sucked it up and shoveled the gravel needed to take care of things.”

She cheated once during the relationship. He told her if it happened again, it’s over.

Anyone wanna guess what happened and WHY she had to talk to me?

Yes, they ARE getting divorced. I’ve met the guy, he’s a pretty stand up guy. She’s lamentig to me that she’s never been without a man and never been divorced. She’s going to find out life is much harsher for her than she thinks.

So, what is the point? Even if you FIND the ‘right’ one, there is no guarantee they will continue to be the ‘right one’.

gc You need to post on NG’s site. You could take over for zenpriest when he goes on vacation.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by Nate on Mar 29, 2006, 10:05am

Is it possible to create a pinned thread that constantly resides at the top of the message board titled ‘Reality’ where we can keep all of these absolutely unbelievable realities of marriage/divorce listed?

The true life tales by njslave, khan, chief, the one posted about the wife who hit her head on the steering wheel, grandcurmudgeon, etc. are of the utmost importance, IMO, and should be the #1 pinned item on the discussion board.

What do you guys think?
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by BeCareful on Mar 29, 2006, 10:37am

Mar 29, 2006, 10:05am, Nate wrote:

Is it possible to create a pinned thread that constantly resides at the top of the message board titled ‘Reality’ where we can keep all of these absolutely unbelievable realities of marriage/divorce listed?

The true life tales by njslave, khan, chief, the one posted about the wife who hit her head on the steering wheel, grandcurmudgeon, etc. are of the utmost importance, IMO, and should be the #1 pinned item on the discussion board.

What do you guys think?

I agree with Nate. (keep all of these absolutely unbelievable realities ofmarriage/divorce listed?)
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by toadman on Mar 29, 2006, 12:51pm

Give it a rest, Ace. We’re tired of your “all-about-me-PUA-victimized-by- NG” babble. Many of us don’t even frequent there so your site-takeover conspiracy makes no sense whatsoever.

Thanks for crapping again on a very valuable and stimulating thread. At least you’re predictably consistent in leaving no thread un-touched .
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by daveo on Mar 29, 2006, 12:57pm

Ace, go fuck yourself.

I think you should change your name to Art Bell.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by john on Mar 29, 2006, 2:18pm

Ace, why do you post here? Can you answer this?
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by Unable2Login on Mar 29, 2006, 4:52pm

Mar 29, 2006, 10:37am, BeCareful wrote:

Mar 29, 2006, 10:05am, Nate wrote:

Is it possible to create a pinned thread that constantly resides at the top of the message board titled ‘Reality’ where we can keep all of these absolutely unbelievable realities of marriage/divorce listed?

The true life tales by njslave, khan, chief, the one posted about the wife who hit her head on the steering wheel, grandcurmudgeon, etc. are of the utmost importance, IMO, and should be the #1 pinned item on the discussion board.

What do you guys think?

I agree with Nate. (keep all of these absolutely unbelievable realities ofmarriage/divorce listed?)

Same here.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by john on Mar 29, 2006, 6:46pm

Mar 29, 2006, 2:54pm, acepoindexter wrote:

Mar 29, 2006, 2:18pm, john wrote:
Ace, why do you post here? Can you answer this?

I hope your serious about asking me that…as your NG palls are crying about me responding
too much to their posts…

I post out of a sincere love & in the best intrests of the mens movement…I hope you share the same motivation…as others on here dont. & activly work to its detriment.

Ace Poindexter
Women will always pick the ace of spades over the king of hearts…

I don’t play games like you or make foolish assumptions.
So you are here for the best interest of the men’s movement. What main points are you trying to get people to understand about the men’s movement?
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BS to Englisg Translation
Post by Truthslayer on Mar 29, 2006, 11:46pm

Using the NG Skankese-to-English translator:

I think your message is in itself..a great metaphor for what is wrong with your attitude & the attitude on another board I will leave unnamed for the monment…

*I have no answer, so I will fillibuster and blame NiceGuy’s site subltely since I have been called out on my victimhood tactics. People are starting to realize I’m playing them, so it’s time to try a different strategy.

You start your message off insulting me…then you expect me to answer you with a serious reply…I have to ask,…what good will do you think you have earned with me…or curency…that I owe you jack shit after how you so gracefully asked for an answer…

*If I act offended, maybe he’ll let it go and I can keep up the illusion that I’m FOR men’s rights when in fact I want to play both sides and go with the winning side. If I can summon enough NS and lies and succeed in believing it myself, maybe I can regain some respect.

Sir…you use the pretext of a question to lay your barage…for all to see…I hope in time you will cool down & ask that same question in a polite manner & i`m always willing to respond to a person that understands the basics of parlee…

*I’m gonna act like I’m a decent fellow and extend him a peace offering like a gentleman. Hopefully he won’t read my other posts where I suck up to the ladies/trolls, stab other posters in the back, spout my own opinion without any supporting data, blame everyone for my ignorance and arrogance and attack anyone who even hints on not being on my side. If I keep it up I will be leader.

we may not see eye to eye…but common interests & the pursuit of profitable exchanges should motivate you …when they do…write back to me….

*There…another snowjob completed. I’ll pretend to care what these people think to make myself look good. I am SO superior, I can tell these people what to do and they’ll do it. I just need to get rid of those guys who are more logical and experienced than me. They tend to expose all my plots with their logic and common sense. How can I show off my glory if they keep bringing the truth to my lies? I’ll keep trying to make them look weak and me strong, hoping that this distraction technique will unbalance them and win ME supporters.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by toadman on Mar 29, 2006, 11:58pm

;D Truthslayer
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by john on Mar 30, 2006, 1:21am

So you are here for the best interest of the men’s movement. What main points are you trying to get people to understand about the mens movement? Still digging?
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by q on Mar 30, 2006, 1:45am

Seriously, Ace, what are your points? I’ve read a lot of your posts, but none of them seem to really say anything. I’m willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. Please clearly enumerate the points that you want to convey to all the lurkers out there. I’m mostly a lurker myself.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by q on Mar 30, 2006, 11:32am

edit: I see you changed your post. For the benefit of the readers, here is the un modified version

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I wrote a long tirade responce to your post…but i deleted from here after thinking about it….

This is the only advice I`m willing to offer… There is a new religion being born here…with all the trimmings…be carefull of the sterile god they are putting before you….

every one of your ancestors from 100 years back faced death almost daily from smallpox to polio….they saw death & war 1st hand…..now they need to create new monsters to give you nightmares & keep you inline…

Your ancestors would be laughing at you right now cause a child support order would not scare them one bit…but it has you peeing your pants & sucking your thumb while your hiding under your bed.

There are no demons….only the uneducated …scared by voodoo doctors….

You can have it all. educate yourself on how to be happy with family & not lose your shirt..but since you cant take it with you….what are you thinking…go read a few books…100s of good ones out there…find a nice girl…cause then youll know them from a mile away….settle down in your paradice…& enjoy life & your woman….

Your under someones spell…not my job to break it…just telling you as I walk past you to success…

Ace Poindexter

Women will always pick the ace of spades over the king of hearts…

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More smoke and mirrors I see. If you aren’t willing to offer any advice, then what exactly is your goal in posting? This is like a bunch of people standing around putting together a puzzle, while you circle the outside saying nothing more than, “There is a better way.” Well, if there is a better way, then either help those solving the puzzle or shut up, because admonishment without a solid base under it is nothing more than annoying.

I agree that people in the past saw death and war first hand. So now “they” need to create new monsters to keep me inline. Who are “they”? I’d like to tell them to stop. Do you mean the Nice Guy crew? What is their incentive for keeping an unknown “in line” (whatever that means)?

Okay. So I ask you a sincere question, and the response is that my ancestors would be “laughing at me” because I am peeing my pants, sucking my thumb, AND hiding under the bed all at the same time. Funny, I thought I was bettering myself by going to school and getting two advanced degrees. I guess that passes for hiding under the bed these days.

So I’m uneducated in your opinion, and that is why there are demons in my head. What I’m interested in is how to educate myself on how to be happy with family and not lose my shirt. Of the 100s of good books out there, would you care to mention two that you’ve read which have helped you along toward this goal? I’m not BSing – post two books and I will read them, just to try to see things from your perspective.

So after I’m educated, then I can find a nice girl and settle down in “paradice.” You know, I’d like to do that. Do me a favor and respond to my post, and try to do it without 5 or 6 insults laced throughout. I’ll remind you that I politely asked you for advice – all I got back were insults.

If you can do that, maybe I’ll entertain the idea that you have any idea of what success is. I look forward … to your reply.
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Ace Translator–part Duex
Post by Truthslayer on Mar 30, 2006, 12:10pm

*Fires up Skankese-to English tranlator again…man, it’s brand new and already being worked hard.

Ah well, somebody’s gotta shovel the gravel with this guy….

If there is nothing in my posts for you now…I can promise you there will be nothing in them for you later…

SBSDD

*Same BS, Different Day. Expect a modified version of my long standing victimhood and superiority complec.

I do a multi level service to those that need it….

*I’m a well versed and adaptable con artist.

Example..when 911 happend..salmon Rushdie could run across the street & by a pack of cigerettes…the world was that distracted….

*I’m using a tragic event to make myself look like a martyr instead of a clueless shill who seeks to ‘pick up women’. If I were in New York at the time, MAN the women I could’ve gotten with some sure fire lines and BSing.

I serve a similar service here..by working top cover & keeping the extremist busy..laying down a surpressing fire on them…

*I serve as a sounding board for those who can see my lies and distraction techniques and use me to bring the point further home. They are the ones who are honest, I’m looking out for myself, as always. I need women to prove I have skills, and they use my words to show the type of men that are dependent on women for validation that will stab them in the back.

moderate people can do their thing unmolested…

*Moderate people won’t be able to see the truth if I distract them. I must quell that sense of something’s not right that lies within them or else I’ll be exposed.

on this very thread…Mikial(dont remember his proper sign on) wrote a nice piece about how dudes on here jump down womens throats when they come online…it was well written

*Hopefully, they will fail to notice the MANY women posters who come in and immediately insult the men, the essay and DEMAND that men change the site to fit THER view instead of reading the site, the posts and ask in a dignified manner. I also hope they fal the notice that when a woman EARNS respect and is treated with respect, should someone attack her, HE is quickly called on it. They, I hope, are not smart enough to look at my recent exchange with RBK to see I am a total hypocrite.

While the thugs were trying to work me over, a little ray of sunshine broke through & reached the forest floor…does not happen here often…

*I am SO superior to these guys, the site should be named after me and my goals. Why bother starting my own site when I can take over an established one?

I take credit for the assist in that post….he should try posting that on NG site sometime, he can learn real fast what the term molested means…

*Ace Rule #1…NEVER pass a chance, wheter overtly or covertly, blame NG and attack them for my rude and disrespect behavior. Although, I was warned first, continued to disrespect other posters just as I do here, called the post ‘Ace is an asshole…ban him…’ (the ellispes give it away with myself as the thread started) and DARED a mod to ban me, which he did, I’m gonna keep whingn about it untill I actually hurt the site that dared reject me for my bad behavior. I’ll blame my weak theories on a conspiracy instead of actually providing proof.

Also I want to get one thing out of the way…this site is broken up into 2 factions….

*I am so smart I can even tell factions that do not exist, even though there are posters who have kids already, ones who donr, ones who may decide to be fathers later in life and ones committed to neve having kids. Sure that’s at least FOUR different types, but no ones actually going to think about it. I’ll just play on emotions instead of logic.

THOSE THAT WANT KIDS & THOSE THAT DONT….

*I’ll just yell it instead of subtly leadin up to it and also not explaining what it has to do with not marrying. I hope they’ll fail to notic tihs is not ‘dontmarryandneverhavekidsor associatewiththemevah’.

if you have no plans on having children, nobody is stopping you…

*I’ll appeal to those who prefer to remain childless first,

but thats not the dreams of others on here..& I ask you to saw off your penis quietly & in private…you want me to send you the saw…I`ll buy it for you…just get me your mailing address.

*then BRUTALLY attack their stance, saying that their genitals are useeless, they are less than men, hit them with shaming language that the staunchest feminist would use. Dworkin, Marilyn French, Amanda would be so proud of me. I hope I hit them with this attack that will scare them into thinking the other guys have done this to themselves and that they will be less than ‘good’ men by choosing not to have kids instead of not having the task of raising kids in this country the way it treats kids.. Hopefully, no one will recognize that WOMEN use the same emotional, shame and verbal tactics on other women who ALSO choose not to have kids.

others on here have a hard road to walk…cause it is one haunted with real monsters out to destroy our dreams…we got enough to deal with.. on top if the screaming sterile junkies on here…

*I’ll also work those who still desire kids and families, and make my enemy those who prefer to remain childless and single. I’ll appeal to them emotionally and tug at their heartstrings like a good con artist. I hope no one brings up cases like the 8 year old suspended for sexual harassment, the fact that a boy may be molested by his female teacher, that raising a child will cost about a million dollars to age 18, the system that is child support, the fact that children today are unrestrained, undisciplined and that raising one requires a lot of work, time and sacrifice that may be wasted should the child go buck wild anyway. Let’s hope no one realizes that as parents, the father will be the most likely guilty party and the mother will always be protected and given an excuse even if THEY do make up 68% of child abuse cases plus the children can be used as pawns by a vindictive spouse to destroy someone or by the child themselves to hurt or ruin someone who displeases them.

I write for someone like me…that means someone like you might never understand what I write…

*If I fling enough mud on them, some of it may stick and people will see it. I’ll give the sob story and they’ll swallow it like the marks they are.

Thats not my problem..cause the world is 98% lemmings & 2 % leaders…& sometimes the lemmings like to lead other lemmings & that can get real intresting…

*I’ll call them lemmings instead of acknowledging that even men who aren’t MRA’s see how bad the landscape is. I want them not to follow those men, but see ME as a leader of salvation. Good thing no one reads old posts where I mention I’ve been on 200 dates and I’m a ‘pick-upartist’ who will love women, say what they want to hear, ‘play’ them and move on. I’m being the type of man women are SAYING they are sick of and yet I still get them.

The thing with a lemming is he will do the same thing a million times over ….not even bothering to ask himself if his methods are of any profit to him…as his own actions are reinforced by the sight of his brothers doing the same thing….

*If I throw enough attacks, it’ll distract them from the fact that I want to discuss PUA tactics, which are basically steps for fellow player/ lemmings to go on how to get women.

So…marriage is bad…..I think we can all agree on that…..but what you do on your own time while your not married is not to be dictated by sterile junkies…

*If I keep on with those who don’t have children, I’ll be seen as a savior and a logical, kind humanitarian who loves kids. It’s the same line I se to get single mothers and the childless women who want kids. My target audience isn’t the men, but the women, and they are responding to my charms.

& in closing…I have told you if you want kids…then you need to educate yourself furthur..learn new tricks cause the rules have all changed & the deck is stacked against the uneducated..thats it …its not any more complicated then that..not rocket science…

*Wow, I sound SO smart and an expert. No one could challenge me… unless they have statistics, research and websites/books to disprove me. I’m screwed if one of those NG guys keep a record of divorce statistics, childhood birth and death rates, domestic violence and child support records and quotes from ther and former PUAs that will totoally destroy my house of cards.

I find it hard to believe that men would work to make another mans dream of having children hard..but i see it here all the time…that makes me wonder if their is a political presence here ..working an agenda…

*I’ll use my last card..a conspiracy. I’ll say it’s a conspiracy to disguise the fact that it’s happening worldwide, not just in the US. Childbirth rates are dropping and BOTH men and women are deciding not to have kids. I’ll blame the men here just as women do to make them think they have an ally.

If people catch on to my double life I’ll be alone, rejected and dismissed. I MUST keep up the image…I have nothing else.

*Wow, I’ll have to give the Translator a tune up. That was too much of it that time.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by q on Mar 30, 2006, 12:41pm

Ah so now I have a tender constitution? Seriously Ace, all I’m asking for is what the meat of your argument is. All I seem to be getting in return is a bunch of thinly veiled and ellipsis connected insults.

Please be as harsh as you like in your response. Just answer these questions.

1. What is the main goal of you posting here? To offer advice, or toot your own horn? If it is the former, offer your advice in concrete terms please.

2. Who are “they?” If it is the NG crowd, what incentive do they have to keep me, an unknown, in line?

3. Please post your favorite two books which have helped shape your current philosophy with women. I will read them both. There is nothing to tone down here, just post a Title, Author, or even an ISBN number.

Honestly, Ace, I’m not bothered by your posts. But if your goal is to reach lurkers, surely you would make an effort to reach one who openly asks for your help. I look forward to your reply. Feel free to call me a mamma’s boy or coward if that makes it any easier.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by q on Mar 30, 2006, 12:50pm

edit: I see you deleted your post again. To sum up you said that my interest was feigned and that my only goal was to brownose with the regulars here. Here is my reply…

******

Please post two books which have helped you reach your current philosophy with women. I will read them. Hell, I will PM you a book report on each one. No one on the forum will know but me and you.

You don’t want to mince words? Fine. I could give two shits about making friends with anyone on this board. I will never meet any of them, yourself included. You can also see that with my whopping 22 posts, I’m obviously on a mission to get in the good graces of anonymous posters. I registered on NG shortly after you left. And guess what? It is an okay place for info, but you are right, it is largely self congratulatory and insular. I like this board better because I am presented with other challenging viewpoints. I AM interested in your viewpoint. Please post two books for me to read which have lead to your current philosophy on women. No one will ever know if I read them or not except for me and you. Thanks.
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by john on Mar 30, 2006, 3:01pm

Acepoindexter:
So you are here for the best interest of the men’s movement.

Again:
What main points are you trying to get people to understand about the mens movement?
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by Arc on Mar 30, 2006, 4:34pm

This is what I hear in my head whenever Ace posts:

You always like to gossip, just like a girl
You talk so damn much, it’s outta this world
When you’re reincarnated, in your second life
You won’t be a man, you’ll be a nagging wife

You talk too much And then you never shut up
I said you talk too much Homeboy you never SHUT UP!!!

“You Talk Too Much” by RUNDMC circa 1980’s
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by word on Mar 30, 2006, 5:56pm

RIP JMJ
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Re: I’m just a girl.
Post by john on Mar 30, 2006, 8:17pm

Mar 30, 2006, 3:53pm, acepoindexter wrote:

Mar 30, 2006, 3:01pm, john wrote:
Acepoindexter:So you are here for the best interest of the men’s movement.

Again: What main points are you trying to get people to understand about the mens movement?

******Im not here to drop hints…or educate…I tried that on NG…& learned fast that men just like women can be backstabing…spitefull…a man can spit in your face just as fast as a woman can…so do shit for yourself…cause most people(men included) dont want to see anyone get out of this if they cant**********

It depends what you want…if you just want to be alone for life & talk to guys on line ….thier is an orgy of that daily here…

It depends if you can dream….a better tomorow…those that believe in victory the longest are the ones that win…Ive read over 80 books on male female relations & been on way over 200 dates…I can tell you this monster can be beaten…but it means you have to learn new skills… not for everyone….

just like if we were all standing at the base of mount everest…no way I would step one foot up that mountain without having shit load of training….well thats what dating these days is like…its a mountain climb with no ropes…so you got to get good at it….

but it is possible….but you have to be smart…

I`m simply stating …it can be done…I`m not saying you should do it…I don’t care what you do…. but I told you it can be done…Ive seen it done…there is a whole new science to learn…not for everyone…

what does make my stomach turn…is guys on here & NG bad mouthing PUA ways…but they use the methods themselves to score…then tell you PUAs are whores …yet they have no problem sneaking on a PUA site themselves…its weird…sort of like animal farm…with rules for those that know & different rules for those that dont….they are threatened by an educated consumer…cause you would not look up to false profits if you knew their magic….I`m near the top of my game…so I can tell you …looking down & back…your being lied to ….educate yourself…what do you have to loose…

Also I feel men play into dark hands…everytime a woman comes here looking for help …& you guys cant wait to pile on orgy….every woman who comes here can be turned…yah think like undead from the Buffy shows…you can de program them & send them out to deprogram others….dont believe me…look at the NG gang…they are walking proof …you can program people to have a hive mind…& go forth to push thier belief system….but you guys are so focused on rage…that you cant conduct the careful surgery needed to fix this patient…

but maybe I`m talking to people who just want to see the whole thing burn to the ground…I think there are arsonists here …who cant wait to see the big implosion…& don’t want anything to stop their front row seat to armagedon…

Ace Poindexter

Women will always pick the ace of spades over the king of hearts…

yeah right
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  1. dear tina
    presuming you are asking this question in all sincerity, let me tell you the answer.
    there is nothing wrong with women. they are the same at birth as they were 100 years ago. i love women. they complete a man.
    the problem is the current socio-cultural-political-legal system which has corrupted women and left man at their mercy.
    being human, women are prone to become corrupt. they have thus, often become professional victims, demanding ‘special behavior’, wanting to be treated like a queen while treating a man like a dog, retard, insignificant and irrelevant.
    their are good women around. i have no doubt about it.
    but how can i convince myself that in this environment, they will not become corrupt with time and thus i carry a certain bitterness in heart.
    i hope you will appreciate my view.

    sg

    September 11, 2010 at 11:53 pm

  2. I think this short ‘story’ is worth the read as Its been running around my mind for quiet some time but feel free to disagree.

    Ok I’m responding to the original post here, haven’t read the comments yet, but I did like it as it was a heartfelt post and honesty is always good even though I doubt the original poster is still around.

    I’ll try not to launch into a whole “what I didn’t like about it” but there were a few quick things I thought were a bit off about the article. I found a lot of the information anecdotal, such as:

    “My main goal is to have someone to care for. To help. To push to succeed. However at the same time, I must have the space and time to go after my own goals of marathon running and work….”

    and…

    “..In any case, I think I mostly don’t understand the perceptions that are here about women. The truth is, I don’t want to fight”.

    From my perspective as a man there’s nothing particularly that I disagree with there and that’s kind of the point. There’s an assumption in this that men do want to fight or somehow don’t want women to “have the space and time to go after my own goals…”. So lets be clear… Men do want and like women who are independent, focused, ambitious, dress elegantly or sexy and are proud of it…and so on. I personally like educated women, strong women – in fact I was engaged to one not so long ago. There unfortunately the fantasy ends. While I won’t go into the horrific nightmare that I had to endure in that relationship the problem isn’t one of “Women’s rights”. Those rights are enshrined in law as much as the Egyptian language is in the Rosetta stone, despite the fact that many feminists would disagree. I have two law books sitting beside me, Blackstone’s Family law 2012 and Longman’s Law series by Jonathan Herring – Might I suggest you read them. Men do not have the same rights in family that women do….Period.

    You may spend your time listening to women like Anita sarkeesian spouting baseless facts about the correlation between violent video games and real violence despite the staggeringly profound evidence to the contrary or about the horrors of Female Genital Mutilation, despite the fact that its feminist proponent Sarah Sand’s pointedly refuses to recognize that it happens to men just as equally, but to the average Joe that’s just background noise.

    Someone once wrote that when advantage can be taken in a system then it will. I can personally testify to that fact, having had a few serious relationships myself. Men want intimacy, they want love but put yourself in our shoes for a second and imagine that I’ve just asked you to marry me – here’s a little role play starring Jenny and Joe.

    Joe: …” O.k so lets get married…”
    Jenny ” Really? – Oh that’s wonderful I love you so much”.
    Joe ..”There are a couple of things though honey….”
    Jenny “sure go ahead”

    Joe: “Well if, after a couple of years we’ve had kids, I duuno say 3 or 4. I decide that I don’t like you I’m going to take your kids away from you and you can watch them raised by another woman of my choosing. In fact I’ll probably “Choose” more than a few. You can see them of course, but only when I decide its convenient and lets be honest if our break up isn’t all cosy and agreeable…..well I’m going to raise them to hate your fucking guts. Also I’ll be taking your house that you bought for us, even if I happen to pay something into it and you’ll also be paying me 18 years of child support or if we’re in america something called “alimony” which will last for the REST OF YOUR LIFE. Also I’m expecting you…. babe,….sweetie, to bankrupt yourself buying me a ring, a honeymoon, a wedding and all our new furniture. Also if you refuse to agree with any of this I’ll accuse you of rape, child molestation, or just abuse and even if I’m proven to have been lying well nothing really bad will happen short of maybe 6 months in jail tops. Of course society at large will believe me, not you regardless of what happens so basically even if you manage to keep your job you’ll be considered a total arsehole. Of course you won’t ever be able to start a family of your own again because with all that Child support(which by the way I’m going to partly spend on wine and cigarettes) all you’ll be able to really afford is a shitty council flat. As well as that If somehow magically, despite all the statistics we do stay together you will have two jobs – your regular one and minding the baby. I’ll just have the one and if I decide I must go back to work(despite the crippling statistics that show women who do, cheat WAY more than men) then we’ll have to hire a baby sitter which your paying for. Of course remember honey that this can happen ANY time during our blissful marriage, but only when I Decide. Should you happen to be unhappy in the relationship then basically your fucked.

    That is what most men, myself included hear these days, at least in regards to the law. Ladies it isn’t that we don’t know there are women out there worth trusting, its that its IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL!. How on earth, in a system like that can a man KNOW who to trust???. Its one thing saying you can’t know and that trust is built, which is true. But feminists and women at large have led us to this place. Let me also say that i LOVE women, I think there fucking amazing but the problem is they as will smith said in the movie hitch – …”just can’t get out of their own fucking way”. Women do control the family, my mother is one of them, women always had the reigns in a relationship. I watch a lot of David Attenborough documentaries and I can testify to the fact that women are the ones who set the pace – but men are the ones who lead. There’s this great scene in the movie 300. Where King leonidas is about to kick that dirty Persian envoy into the bottomless well and just before he says his final words he turns to his queen, played by Lena Heady and she simply nods. That’s it – the sum total of the communication needed between them. She knows he is asking and he knows she is there watching, thinking, weighing. I imagine having a relationship that is that close, that intimate but under the system that largely women have created it is now IMPOSSIBLE.- I mean What self respecting woman would want a cuckold for a husband. As another example the wolf spider will copulate with the female and once the sex is done if the female is short on food that same male spider will lay still and allow it self to be eaten alive, just so its offspring will be healthy!. It is the male who goes out and hunts because we are built for it – its called “sexual dimophism” and there isn’t a single instance in the animal kingdom that doesn’t display it – men and women are different!. That isn’t to say you can’t have your career or we can’t balance work and family – hell my sister and her husband do it – even though she treats him like a “stupid man”. Therein also lies the problem. Phrases like “all men are the same”, “in his man cave”, “my white knight”, “the one”, “mr right” have all come to mean something other than LOVE, they are in effect synonymous with the phrase “commitment” which has come to mean all of those things in the paragraph above – NOT love, NOT shared responsibility, NOT equal sacrifice.

    So to sum up when you pay heed to the hateful rhetoric of feminism, of how some imaginary “partriarchy” has dominated and persecuted women down through the ages – which by the way has NO basis in fact – then you destroy trust. When you talk about “your man’s” emotions or supposed lack of them to your friends it is the same as if I’d shown naked pictures of you to mine. It is this total disregard for the millions of men who have died in battle, building our society, sacrificing hours upon hours in hateful jobs that you as women wouldn’t touch with a bargepole that makes us say “why am i bothering with this?”. Women in short have made marriage not just distasteful for men, they have made it downright hateful, pointless and completely worthless. I wish to god that wasn’t true but the sad thing is that for those women out there who do believe in real equality and real love there is no man who can risk it without putting his very life on the line to be humiliated, used, and tossed away like a sub human. In point of fact that is what the feminist movement have done to men – they have treated us like “jews”, “niggers”, like scum, we have been tainted and branded with the mantle of “paedophile, rapist, abuser” and so regardless our position are in fact de-humanised and worthless. Why would any man want to step under such a shroud of utter hatred? in the simple and rare hope that the woman he chooses is one of those rare beings who actually knows that men are worth so much more….I also rather sadly I might add, think that there is now no going back. Men no longer want to be the provider and who would? – why would you want to be categorised as basically an ATM when you can be a lover, a proud man, successful in his own right and free to be so. Many men, myself included do want children – its a biologically driven fact in BOTH sexes. Again there lies the problem, why would I have children that I will come to love as I do my own life only to have them ripped and torn away from me in a long, painful and hateful process?. Chivalry and masculinity did more for women than feminism ever did, but this is where you have led us and trust once it is lost – is lost for ever. I hope the law does change, I hope men AND women speak up against this tragedy and in fact some are(see “girl writes what” on youtube). These are often women with sons who realize what a world their children are being forced to grow up in. Nothing is ever going to be perfect but when men are refusing to marry and to have children then ladies you should really listen, because if men die in their thousands throughout history for you and love you with a passion that etches stories in stone for thousands of years then when they say “no more” you should really start paying attention…we are not the hapless fools you might think we are.

    John D

    February 7, 2014 at 8:44 am


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