“testing a man’s resolve”
“testing a man’s resolve”
Post by mamonaku on Jan 5, 2006, 10:45pm
Members of the board,
Looking for input. I have noticed that a central theme of my relationships involved “putting out fires”. My GF would nag, complain, or annoy me until I finally had to tell her to shut the hell up!
More often than not, I would be doing the average guy things; video games, watching Ultimate Fighting, or something to that effect. And of course, I would have to stop what I was doing in order to calm down my female companion.
And so, I wanted to know if this was just my hard luck in life, and I did some research. I found this:
http://fondlyandfirmly.com/new/intro.html
“Men must stand up for themselves instead of cowering in a corner, hoping the women’s movement disappears like a bad dream”, an international family therapy pioneer, Dr Robin Skynner, said yesterday. “Women around the world were waiting for men to engage in the debate and fight back like real men”, Dr Skynner told the Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Psychiatrists conference in Wellington.
“For the family to work well, men still need to retain some aspects of the traditional male role and fathering functions,” he said. “Women seem to desire this too, and appear to feel sexually repelled, or certainly not attracted, if the man ceases to retain some element of his assertiveness.”
Dr Skynner, who has been practising and teaching family therapy for more than 30 years, said men have evolved to be violent in defence of their families and tribes and while hunting food..
But the industrial revolution, the hydrogen bomb and the women’s movement had severely undermined men’s confidence and curtailed their traditional role.
“Performance of the male role no longer carries with it the high self-esteem which was once associated with it.”
In family therapy, women were encouraged to spell out their men’s faults, and for a while the men would stonewall but eventually fight back.
“Women were always pleased when their men at least fought back and became men.”
Letting the anger out also freed up the positive feelings they had for each other and often revived their sex life.
“Women don’t want men to fizzle away,” Dr Skynner said. “They want men to be men still. They want a man who’s a man, and sticks up for himself in more ways than one. If he doesn’t they despise him. That’s what men have to do, they have to fight it out.”
Men should get out more and bond with other men so they are not so dependent on women she (sic) said.”
The site goes on to recommend a good hard application of a Man’s hand to a woman’s buttocks. (If that’s all it would take to change society for the better, sign me up! )
What say you?
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Re: “testing a man’s resolve”
Post by travis on Jan 5, 2006, 10:50pm
Quote:”For the family to work well, men still need to retain some aspects of the traditional male role and fathering functions,” he said. “Women seem to desire this too, and appear to feel sexually repelled, or certainly not attracted, if the man ceases to retain some element of his assertiveness.”
And women are fine the way they are.
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Re: “testing a man’s resolve”
Post by Disconnect on Jan 5, 2006, 11:28pm
Quote:”Women seem to desire this too, and appear to feel sexually repelled, or certainly not attracted, if the man ceases to retain some element of his assertiveness.”
Those are honest words. And, good job for standing up for yourself. That’s why they nag in the first place – to get you to man up and take a stand. It turns them on.
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Re: “testing a man’s resolve”
Post by morpheus on Jan 5, 2006, 11:32pm
Jan 5, 2006, 11:28pm, Disconnect wrote:Those are honest words. And, good job for standing up for yourself. That’s why they nag in the first place – to get you to man up and take a stand. It turns them on.
No joke. I have a female friend who admitted the same to me in so many words (with regards to another man). She nagged him incessantly over some issue that was bothering her. He shut her down and refused to entertain anymore arguments on the matter. Then she realized that her respect for him grew by leaps and bounds.
Ugh… This is the kind of creature I am supposed to pursue?
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Re: “testing a man’s resolve”
Post by Disconnect on Jan 5, 2006, 11:42pm
Why not? It’s within us to be dominant. Testosterone. You got lots of it, women love you. Why do you think those hardcore criminals get so many marriage proposals (while in jail)? It’s no myth that criminal behavior has been linked to high T.
Anyways, I don’t complain about dominating a woman. Sometimes, during first stages of relationship, you gotta bypass her AW defenses before she submits, though.
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Re: “testing a man’s resolve”
Post by King Karan on Jan 6, 2006, 9:56am
What do you mean “why not”?! You forget that the law is on her side. You may not raise your voice even if she puts poison in your toothpaste. All she needs to do is pick up the phone and have the police enter your private home to act on her behalf. You can face jail time based solely on her word with no evidence whatsoever. This gross imbalance is especially true in a work setting where you open yourself to another set of opportunities for the legal system to grind you and/or the pussified environment to ostracize you.
By comparison, if I start electrocuting people for illegal parking, I am sure that the vast majority of people will not do it. Even if some psychologist than claims to “stand your ground” because say there are not enough parking spaces, still the electric chair may be a more potent “argument”, don’t you think?
I am of the mindset that one should avoid trouble rather than seek it. You are normal men and do not have the resources that few fortunate men have to “seek justice” in the legal system and battle state propaganda. Choose your battles. First choice should be to avoid WW as mush as you can. They are BIG trouble and have the potential to destroy you! Indeed, many tell you point blank they are against the male gender, “now it is our turn” blah, blah. This is not an exaggeration! Just think about what I am saying, for pain makes me write here.
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Re: “testing a man’s resolve”
Post by antiriad on Jan 6, 2006, 10:28am
Just make sure you’re dominating her exactly the way she wants, otherwise you might end up in the penn.
So who’s the slave now? You’re playing out a role to appease your mistress like the castrated bitch you are? Fuck that. I ain’t playing.
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Re: “testing a man’s resolve”
Post by knighterrant on Jan 6, 2006, 10:30am
Yeah the danger is if you get this Dominance thing wrong on your first attempt and don’t satisfy the bitch, she’ll shop you to the cops!
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Re: “testing a man’s resolve”
Post by Disconnect on Jan 6, 2006, 11:15am
Quote:Just make sure you’re dominating her exactly the way she wants, otherwise you might end up in the penn.
God, I wasn’t talking about beating her up, was I? I meant “be a man with character and willpower who doesn’t take shit from other people”, not some S&M freak.
And I didn’t say a thing about wife.
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Re: “testing a man’s resolve”
Post by antiriad on Jan 6, 2006, 11:19am
Jan 6, 2006, 11:15am, Disconnect wrote:
Quote:Just make sure you’re dominating her exactly the way she wants, otherwise you might end up in the penn.God, I wasn’t talking about beating her up, was I? I meant “be a man with character and willpower who doesn’t take shit from other people”, not some S&M freak.
And I didn’t say a thing about wife.
This has nothing to do with “beating her up.” You could merely say the wrong things and still go to prison. The point I am illustrating here is that your “dominance” (however it may manifest itself) is nothing but a clown show that you’re putting on for her. She has the law 100% behind her and if she decides that you picking your nose constitutes emotional abuse, then you my friend are going to jail.
AS SUCH, your “dominance” in real terms amounts to exactly zero and you’re doing nothing other than putting on a show in the hopes that it’ll get her panties wet. I assure you, she’s in the driver’s seat and the moment she tires of your games, you’re out.
You know what that makes you? The gimp.
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Re: “testing a man’s resolve”
Post by mikeash on Jan 6, 2006, 2:43pm
Antiriad is right. Women can claim ridiculous shit like verbal and emotional abuse, even when they dish out every bit as much of both.
The women that enjoy pushing men into being very assertive are psychotic in their own right.
I just want to be me and live my fucking life without having some woman trying to push my buttons. The frustration level I reached when dealing with the ex wife and girls I dated pretty much negated any positives in those relationships.
Who would want a relationship where you constantly have to assert yourself to get respect from your woman? Just thinking about it raises my blood pressure.
If I treat my woman with kindness and respect, I damn well better get it in return or she can find some other sucker who will put up with her shit.
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Re: “testing a man’s resolve”
Post by antiriad on Jan 6, 2006, 3:07pm
The only solution: boys must be raised with the understanding that women are subservient. Only this will guarantee natural assertiveness among men. Treating women nicely is an artifact of feminized western civilization. Clearly it does a disservice to men and women. Men are confused because being nice to women does not produce expected results. Women OTOH are unhappy because they want assertive, dominant men and don’t understand why western men are in fact behaving the opposite.
As I said, the only solution that will work is therefore to raise men from birth with the understanding that they are “better.” If this doesn’t sound PC, too fucking bad – because it IS reality.
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Re: “testing a man’s resolve”
Post by mamonaku on Jan 6, 2006, 4:44pm
Jan 6, 2006, 11:15am, Disconnect wrote:
Quote:Just make sure you’re dominating her exactly the way she wants, otherwise you might end up in the penn.God, I wasn’t talking about beating her up, was I? I meant ‘be a man with character and willpower who doesn’t take shit from other people”, not some S&M freak.
And I didn’t say a thing about wife.
I agree that the law is on a woman’s side, without a doubt. With this fact in mind, it gives me even more incentive to be cautious.
However, back in my reckless youth, it really didn’t matter to me what the woman could have done. I informed all of my women that if they wanted to get the law involved in our private business, then our relationship would truly be over, forever and ever.
Thankfully, the women I was dealing with had common sense, and I have (knocked on wood) never had the police called on me.
As a matter of fact, I had to call the police on one of my old girlfriends who refused to leave my house. As I calmly explained the situation, my ex was screaming hysterically like a banshee, making a total fool out of herself. I know that policies differ from place to place though, so maybe I lucked out by avoiding arrest. I do know that one of the officers told her to “shut up or you are going to jail.”
I would propose that many of the police officers I have talked to, (I have a job that brings me in contact with law enforcement on a regular basis) know the situation on the ground, and sympathize with us. Hell, many of those guys have had multiple divorces, child support, and harassment charges filed against THEM.
Because of our legal climate however, I have to take the appropriate precautions. Never would I live with a woman or give access to my vehicle or apartment. If I know that I have to break it off with a young lady, I do it in a way to make sure her options for retaliation are quite limited. Nothing is promised, but there are things we as men can do to limit our exposure.
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Re: “testing a man’s resolve”
Post by antiriad on Jan 6, 2006, 5:18pm
Once men start taking the MAD approach (which they probably won’t, thanks to increasingly becoming brainwashed manginas), you will see changes. Until then, don’t hold your breath.
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