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Men read this now
Post by Laura on Jan 16, 2006, 1:54am

I am a woman and have seen how you treat some women who post their opinions here, I will post anyway. I believe all this negative slant on women is wrong, men also do bad things. Calling women ‘animals’ is to strip them of their humanity, telling them gross words and saying all are bad is to slap the face of your mums who are ‘American’ women (to those living in America, born here, of American parents) you come across a first time reader, like me for example, as desperate for attention and somehow bitter with your inability to deal with modern women and play the game called life.

You resort to some abstract ideas about ‘manliness’ yet avoid women at all costs because you are somehow afraid they’ll cash out, cheat, etc. etc. kind of pre-emptive measures for something that may not happen.

I read my newspaper everyday and it is filled with men’s aggressive acts on others, rarely do you read about women, after all there are more male serial killers than there are women. Men are aggressive by nature, virtually all war conflicts have been started by men, and they are proud of it.

I’ll post more later.

p.s. I haven’t insulted anyone here, but if I get flamed, I guess it just proves my point on how you can’t voice your opinions.

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Re: Men read this now
Post by AppleJack on Jan 16, 2006, 1:58am

Actually, that was quite insulting, dear.

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Re: Men read this now
Post by antiriad on Jan 16, 2006, 2:10am

Go take another look at the name of the site, ignoramus.

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Re: Men read this now
Post by Citadel on Jan 16, 2006, 2:46am

Quote:Men are aggressive by nature, virtually all war conflicts have been started by men, and they are proud of it.

We men have our faults just like women do. Only thing is:

WE
DO
NOT
DENY
THEM

I was brought up to respect the female sex. In return for giving that respect, the female sex was supposed to act — well, female!

Do you understand Mrs. Laura, that American women these days do NOT act like normal women? They’re rude, irresponsible, have no sense of groupwork, take offense easily, are irritable.

Does that sound like something a woman’s supposed to be — I thought MEN are supposed to be the ones with the problems, since we’re more aggressive??
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Re: Men read this now
Post by antiriad on Jan 16, 2006, 2:49am

Jan 16, 2006, 2:46am, Citadel wrote:

Quote:Men are aggressive by nature, virtually all war conflicts have been started by men, and they are proud of it.

We men have our faults just like women do. Only thing is:

WE
DO
NOT
DENY
THEM

I was brought up to respect the female sex. In return for giving that respect, the female sex was supposed to act — well, female!

Do you understand Mrs. Laura, that American women these days do NOT act like normal women? They’re rude, irresponsible, have no sense of groupwork, take offense easily, are irritable.

Does that sound like something a woman’s supposed to be — I thought MEN are supposed to be the ones with the problems, since we’re more aggressive??

Damn son. That’s what I call learning them the ABCs.
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Re: Men read this now
Post by Drifter on Jan 16, 2006, 3:43am

Anyone who doesn’t see why this website exists shows a profound lack of understanding and empathy for the suffering that led to its creation.

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Re: Men read this now
Post by Snakey on Jan 16, 2006, 3:48am

Regarding your comment on serial killers, bad mothers are a common thread in their pasts.

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Re: Men read this now
Post by just a thought on Jan 16, 2006, 4:05am

Ahh yes the mind of the typical modern female.

Well I am a woman and I DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU.

Quote:
I am a woman and have seen how you threat some women who post their opinions here, I will post anyway.
I believe all this negative slant on women is wrong, men also do bad things.

First of all I don’t think they have a negative slant on ALL women just the modern feminized one. The ones with the princess complex, who thinks the world revolves or should revolve around them. The ones who demand respect but don’t earn it. The ones who always portray themselves as the victim. “Its not my fault . . . I can’t help it . . . If men weren’t so . . .” blah blah blah Like Citadel said men have their faults just like women do. Only difference is they do not deny them.

Quote:Calling women ‘animals’ is to strip them of their humanity,

I’ve heard women say a lot nastier things about men

Quote:telling them gross words and saying all are bad

again they don’t say all women are bad and the so called modern women have very foul mouths

Quote:is to slap the face of your mums who are ‘American’ women (to those living in America, born here, of American parents)

and to those who have mothers born of a different descent and you do not know their life stories so you have no idea how they were treated by their mothers

Quote:you come across a first time reader, like me for example, as desperate for attention and somehow bitter with your inability to deal with modern women and play the game called life.

They are choosing not to deal and put up with the antics of the so called modern women because they are not worth the hassle. They (modern women) have nothing good to offer in a relationship. By not “playing the game called life” as you put it, they are saving a ton of money, being spared the psychotic behaviors that most modern woman have and keep their sanity.

Quote:You resort to some abstract ideas about ‘manliness’ yet avoid women at all costs

Again they don’t avoid all women just the ones they don‘t like.

Quote:because you are somehow afraid they’ll cash out, cheat, etc. etc. kind of pre-emptive measures for something that may not happen.

They have seen how everything is stacked against them and how many women behave in today’s society. They have seen their friends go through divorce and/ or custody cases and the outcomes are hardly in their favor.

Quote:I read my newspaper everyday and it is filled with men’s aggressive acts on others, rarely do you read about women,

You rarely read about the bad things women do because society still believes that a woman can do no wrong and if she does it’s not her fault. It was because she was depressed or in an abusive relationship or even because she has really bad pms or because blah blah blah. Always excuses. Society rarely holds a women responsible for her actions, they always portray her as the victim no matter what they crime is.

Quote:after all there are more male serial killers than there are women.

What does this have to do with any thing?

Quote:Men are aggressive by nature, virtually all war conflicts have been started by men, and they are proud of it.

Are aggressive in what sense? Oh that they all go around beating up people and are generally bullies? Please. I don’t know what kind of males you had or have in your life but if this is how they behave I’ve got news for you; the majority of men do not act like this. They may be aggressive in the sense that they will protect and provide for the ones they love but that is not a bad thing. War is not pretty or fun but sometimes it is necessary. For example in WWII what was everyone supposed to do, just let a monster go on killing innocent people. I don’t think talking to Hitler over a cup of tea with a whole bunch of psycho babble was going to get him to stop. And it is generally men who give up their lives in battles so that others can one day have a better life. So stop being so ignorant and show a little respect.

Quote:I’ll post more later.

Please don’t.

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Re: Men read this now
Post by Riskbreaker on Jan 16, 2006, 10:13am

I am a woman and have seen how you threat some women who post their opinions here, I will post anyway.

*Ah, a ’strong independent woman who isn’t afraid of the big, mean men’. Oh, please.

I believe all this negative slant on women is wrong, men also do bad things.

*Yep, we do bad things. Funny, all the GOOD things we do get ignored or go unappreciated. Amazingly, women seem to remember ALL the bad things we do when it’s convenient for them, yet STILL expect us to go good things for them.

Calling women ‘animals’ is to strip them of their humanity,

*Actually, we think of most Western women as spoiled children, animals eventually learn from their mistakes and can be reasoned with.

telling them gross words and saying all are bad is to slap the face of your mums who are ‘American’ women (to those living in America, born here, of American parents)

*How do you know if many of us had MOTHERS, SISTERS, AUNTS or FEMALE FRIENDS who didn’t act, as a majority the same way as we describe? We usually base our thoughts on experience and observation over time and our judgments based on actions, not words and emotions.

you come across a first time reader, like me for example,

*You are NOT the target of the essay OR the site. Why not look at the title page again? ‘Helping to inform MEN’. Educate women. Now that you know how men feel, what are you going to do with your education? Get angry, attack or reflect and do some self analysis to see if you fit into the categories described within?

as desperate for attention and somehow bitter with your inability to deal with modern women and play the game called life.

*Ah, we seem ‘desperate’ in YOUR eyes, eh? Tell me, what are YOUR options then?

Men-
*can get call girls or escorts
*friends with benefits
*marry foreign women
*remain single, using their energy to improve themselves and assist their fellow man AND woman

just to name a few. Many here are gamers, techs, martial artists, educated, and yes even married. We are free from the FeMatrix and have either found women that we care for or we survive without them and don’t give it much thought or energy. If WE are so desperate, why isn’t the media asking men why they don’t marry? Why is it that WOMEN seem to be so caught up with the thought of marriage? Why can no woman ever honestly answer the question men ask:

How does marriage benefit MEN?

You resort to some abstract ideas about ‘manliness’ yet avoid women at all costs because you are somehow afraid they’ll cash out, cheat, etc. etc. kind of pre-emptive measures for something that may not happen.

*I’m sure the 40%+ divorced men never thought their wives would cheat, cash out, etc. also. I’m sure the 60%+ of women who initiate divorces escaped an ‘abusive relationship’, right?

Marriage is a prison sentence. In most states in the USA there is no incentive for a man to get married as odds are you will be legally reamed if the relationship deteriorates from ‘rape within marriage’ allegations (her words against your and guess who they believe), to ‘domestic violence’ allegations (again her word against yours), to child support, to alimony. A divorce allows a woman to financially ruin a man guilt free. It gets worse if you have children because then you have to pay support for a child that has a 25% chance of not being biologically yours. As a man you’re taking all of the risk and reaping NO REWARDS.

Only one out of six chambers of the gun is loaded in Russian Roulette, but you still don’t see everyone playing it. The 16.67% chance of getting your brains blown out is still far better than the approximately 40% chance a man has of having his life destroyed by a marriage with a woman. Marriage is becoming the social Edsel of the 21st century. Would you buy any product which failed more than 50% of the time?

I read my newspaper everyday and it is filled with men’s aggressive acts on others, rarely do you read about women, after all there are more male serial killers than there are women.

*Tell men how many MEN want to marry a serial killer woman? VERY few. Yet, the Menendez(SP?) brothers to Scott Peterson to the thug in jail get marriage proposals and letters from women. If MEN, especially violent men, are SO bad, WHY do women want them and will do anything for them? Until WOMEN start making better choices in men, they will have no right to complain. Bill Maher.

Men are agressive by nature, virtually all war conflicts have been started by men, and they are proud of it.

*Women are free and perfect welcome to fight alongside men, asking for NO easy duty or special privileges and can die alongside men. More men tend to die in wars because men don’t sit and whine. They DO something.

I’ll post more later.

*Please do. Your points are good fodder for those unsure of why this site exists.

p.s. I haven’t insulted anyone here, but if I get flamed, I guess it just proves my point on how you can’t voice your opinions

*Let me translate that- I can insult but if you use my same tactics against me, you are a coward and you censor. You are afraid of opinion.

No, we can support our thoughts with statistics, evidence, logic and examples. Until you can do the same, you will be just another person who doesn’t like the truth in such a pure and powerful form and the fact that MEN are saying NO!! to today’s woman.

I leave with these words:
QUOTE(voodoojock @ Sep 11 2005, 01:58 PM)
I look at the concept behind MGTOW as a comparison. MGTOW isn’t a ‘masculism’ movement. It really all boils down to not giving a shit. You won’t date me? Fine, I got this car here I can waste my time with, I got these video games I can play, I got these magazines here to quell my libido if necessary; you’re redundant.

That’s the root of the movement. I dare say that any man who is ridiculed by some harpy because ‘you can’t really be happy without a woman’ or because ‘you can’t get any’, is not going to let that shit carry much weight. Yep, he’s miserable because he has disposable income, gets to do stuff he wants, gets to own the motorcycle the married guy next door isn’t allowed to have. His reality is always going to carry more weight than anyone else’s. And he has altered his paradigm to conform to the reality of his situation. In other words, he’s found a way to survive.

Now you got these women, and their biology is dictating “You’re not going to be fulfilled without a child and a family”. Feminism is telling them they can have it all. Their reality is that they’re not getting it all. Yet, they keep trying to bend a false paradigm into something that conforms to their reality. Only it’s not working. If they truly didn’t need men, they wouldn’t have to go out there and proclaim they didn’t need men. If they truly were superior, they wouldn’t have to go out there and proclaim they were superior. They’d be living it. In other words, instead of finding a way to survive, they continue to focus on why the reality doesn’t fit their personal models.
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Re: Men read this now
Post by CP on Jan 16, 2006, 10:38am

Alright, I shall try to respond reasonably, although I am just a male of the species and as such an animalistic aggressor who thinks with his penis and flexes his male power….

As has been said, we do not malign women who are feminine. By this I do not mean demure and passive and intimidated by men. I mean that they simply are the female of the species with her own strengths and weaknesses. They embrace their femininity and don’t try to prove with male bluster how capable they are. The women and men that we despise and castigate are the ones that are so ashamed of their innate differences from the opposite sex that they strive to eradicate gender altogether. An awful lot of I-Am-Woman-Hear-Me-Roar female pride is touted by the media and by our lawmakers, but comes a man that says “Hey, I like being a man” and he is maligned as a rapist, a child molester, a war monger, and an abuser. Who wants to be identified that way?

Addressing your point about warfare being a male only paradigm. I would point out that in virtually every case that a woman held the seat of power, they acted in bloodthirsty ways that would put a lot of male rulers to shame. Victoria of England doomed a generation of men to protect the empire’s holdings in China and India. Catherine of Russia ordered the murder of her own husband so she could grab power, and bought the allegiance of the army by sleeping with their leaders. Indira Ghandi poured out a lot of aggression against the Sikhs….and on and on and on. In terms of strict percentages, the ratio of women rulers who waged war to feed their own personal needs versus those who tried to rule with an even hand are a lot higher. By the same token, men who have ruled, admittedly in higher numbers than women, who waged war versus those that ruled with an even hand is much lower. The point here being that if women are so wonderfully non-violent, so ruled by their hearts, why hasn’t there been an emergence female rule that exemplified peace? It would seem to me that if it were true that women were so anti-aggressive, each and every time they held power would serve as a model example of golden age living.

Many generations later, we are still waiting…

Yes, women and men can behave badly. The difference is that men are automatically assumed to be monsters by public opinion and by the media, and even by our statute makers. When women behave badly, they are automatically assumed to be victims of men. The primary difference is that men will take their punishment without the hue and cry of public opinion to defend him, while women hardly ever pay the piper without it. Equal treatment under the law? I think not.

Finally, it may be said that the current state of laws permit this and were enacted largely by men. This goes towards proving to me that men are not motivated purely out of self-interest. But then again, these are not truly men in my opinion. They are traitors to the rest of us who know deep in our core selves that naked aggression against anybody is just plain wrong. They tar us with very wide brushes and run to the side of women out of an outmoded and unnecessary sense of chivalry. It costs us all dearly.

We here on this forum have simply awakened to this fact. We are socially at great disadvantage in that we who simply live our lives are being pushed out of the great buffet of entitlement and dignity. If this is to be so, then fine…we shall go our own way and not try to feast with our enemies. We do not need your largesse by throwing scraps to us from your table. We do not need nor even want to be trained into thinking that you are somehow more deserving of representation and benefit of doubt. We have simply unplugged from the Matrix and are ignoring those that try to shame us back to heel.

There is far more to life than servicing the needs of women. Why would you need us to anyway? The government will keep feeding you, and the media will keep pandering to you. And, there will always be those of the male persuasion who will roll over like a cringing servile dog to your needs. But I will bet that inside they will resent you for lapping it all up and encouraging it to continue, and for making it contingent upon your “love”. I will bet that, like feminists of the past, they will wake up one day and say “There is more to me than wage slavery” or “There is more to life than being second-class”. On that day, they will leave you behind as well.

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