A question for the older men
A question for the older men
Post by Utterly Depressed aka Jerry on Apr 3, 2006, 8:36pm
I’ve been lurking here and reading the comments for a couple of hours and I’m just blown away at what I’m reading. I’m 22, still in college, and plan on getting married in a year or so. Nothing set time wise, but it seems to be all up to my girlfriend. I started plugging in the words women suck, dont marry and other things into my computer, and wound up here. I’ve been having more than a few questions lately about my girlfriend, but I love her very much. She gets mad at the smallest stuff, and I finally told her to f— off last night. I never heard the end of it and was up all night listening to her ridicule me about me “attitude” and my abusive language.
My question is: Am I fool to marry her? Am I a fool to marry anyone? I’m kind of sick of walking on eggshells right now, and really want to know if women are hopeless. What the hell do I do at this point? I can’t imagine being alone, but don’t want to get yelled at for the rest of my life.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by Realist on Apr 3, 2006, 8:41pm
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I can’t imagine being alone, but don’t want to get yelled at for the rest of my life
The nagging and drama doesn’t go away.
In fact, it gets worse as you get older.
Walking on eggshells is no fun. It is a sign that something is VERY
WRONG in the relationship. Run like Hell.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by marlon on Apr 3, 2006, 8:47pm
If you can’t put your foot down now, you will never be able to in the future. The relationship is spiraling downwards (for you). Be a man and deliver an ultimatum concerning this kind of behavior. If you can’t or won’t…then…It. Will. Only. Get. Worse.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by grandcurmudgeon on Apr 3, 2006, 8:48pm
“She gets mad at the smallest stuff, and I finally told her to f— off last night. I never heard the end of it and was up all night listening to her ridicule me about me “attitude” and my abusive language.
My question is: Am I fool to marry her? Am I a fool to marry anyone? I’m kind of sick of walking on eggshells right now, and really want to know if women are hopeless. What the hell do I do at this point? I can’t imagine being alone, but don’t want to get yelled at for the rest of my life.”
Think of it this way – if this is how she acts while she is on her best behavior and trying to get you to stick your neck in the noose, imagine how much worse it will be when she has the legal hammer of marriage over you. I sure as hell wouldn’t do it. In fact, I’ve broken up with every woman I’ve ever dated as soon as she started acting like that.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by Realist on Apr 3, 2006, 8:56pm
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In fact, I’ve broken up with every woman I’ve ever dated as soon as she started acting like that.
Agreed. The pendulum has swung way too far in her direction. If she is barking at you, she clearly has lost respect for you somewhere during the dating process.
If you are walking on eggshells, that is probably a good sign that she might want to break up with you, but she doesn’t have the guts to do it.
If I was in your shoes, I would give her the boot.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by sofaking6 on Apr 3, 2006, 8:57pm
Why did you propose to her? Whose idea was it?
It sounds like maybe the marriage itself was her idea and not yours, like the time line for the wedding.
If you’re getting married just to not be alone (especially at 22), then yeah, you’re a fool, big time.
If you’re getting married because you don’t have the balls to tell her you don’t want to, then you’re a pussy.
If you love her and you want to marry her but she’s being a pain in the ass right now, have a serious conversation about it. Find out why she’s acting up and make sure she knows it upsets and depresses you. If she won’t be honest and try to make things better, then you’re in love with a bitch.
You’re not a fool to marry anyone, you’re a fool to marry the wrong person. These are big huge warning signs that you might be about to do just that.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by dickthedog on Apr 3, 2006, 8:59pm
Don’t listen to these guys. You won’t be walking on eggshells the rest of your life. After a kid or two, after her obvious contempt has grown into a monster, she’ll divorce you, you’ll be ass-raped in family court, you’ll be seeing your kids 2 out of 14 days (if you’re nice) and living alone. No more eggshells.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by niceguy78 on Apr 3, 2006, 8:59pm
Apr 3, 2006, 8:36pm, Utterly Depressed aka Jerry wrote:
I’ve been lurking here and reading the comments for a couple of hours and I’m just blown away at what I’m reading. I’m 22, still in college, and plan on getting married in a year or so. Nothing set timewise, but it seems to be all up to my girlfriend. I started plugging in the words women suck, dont marry and other things into my computer, and wound up here. I’ve been having more than a few questions lately about my girlfriend, but I love her very much. She gets mad at the smallest stuff, and I finally told her to f— off last night. I never heard the end of it and was up all night listening to her ridicule me about me “attitude” and my abusive language.My question is: Am I fool to marry her? Am I a fool to marry anyone? I’m kind of sick of walking on eggshells right now, and really want to know if women are hopeless. What the hell do I do at this point? I can’t imagine being alone, but don’t want to get yelled at for the rest of my life.
Agreed with other posts. If you think this is “walking on egg shells” wait until you sign a contract making you her slave.
You are a complete idiot if you marry this worthless piece of shit. THINK WITH YOUR BRAIN!!!! Men are superior to women, in the fact LOGIC is stronger than emotion, USE IT.
Are you a fool to marry anyone? Well IMO, yes in the USA. The laws apply the same. But to marry a SHIT woman like this, good god.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by TyHigs on Apr 3, 2006, 9:00pm
It’s called verbal harassment or emotional terrorism. It doesn’t go away. Even right now, she could probably fall back on her youthful beauty to manipulate you when she wants to. When she turns 45, she wont have any youthful beauty. Her only means of manipulation left will be verbal and emotional assaults. Dont marry her unless you like putting up with this nonsense. There was a time when I met some women who weren’t feminist robots. But now it seems that nearly all of them have this terroristic attitude and morally self-righteous belief.
“Maintaining an emotionally painful atmosphere (or the constant threat of it) is the way women maintain absolute control in a relationship.” -The Rules
“I am a super-bitch. You dont want me. So you must be a weak, insecure loser who’s threatened by strong women.”
American women want the power of masculinity while retaining all the privileges of being anatomically female.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by Realist on Apr 3, 2006, 9:05pm
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Even right now, she could probably fall back on her youthful beauty to manipulate you when she wants to
Yes, indeed. The last two times I have broken things off in a relationship, the women made a last ditch effort to salvage things with sex. Fortunately, I was old enough to see that they were manipulating me in that regard (as the amount of sex we were having was declining the more serious things got).
Women are very manipulative in getting what they want. Don’t be shocked when she brings out her war chest (i.e. lingerie) when you want to end things.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by khankrumthebulgar on Apr 3, 2006, 9:16pm
As one of the Senior Members here. Am a Father of 5, Grandfather to 5 Grandsons. I have lived overseas, been married twice, and know happy Foreign Marriages. Including my ex Brother in Law. And two ex Business Partners one married to a Japanese Woman, another to a Phillippino. Son you are too young to get Married. Finish School, accumulate some money, get your career going. Cohabitation only at your age no Marriage or next her butt. If she really loves you not the fantasy she will stay with you.
Get this straight Love does not require a ceremony or Government sanction. You have no business getting married so young. Travel overseas and meet some non Feminist Women it will truly open your eyes.
If she is using these manipulation tactics already once you tie the knot your will be her bitch. She will have you by the Balls and can legally ass rape you in Divorce Court financially. She is looking to escape boredom, Mommy & Daddy, School, etc.. She desperately needs to grow up. And you my young friend need to think with your big head not the little one.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by Mikhail on Apr 3, 2006, 9:23pm
It’s hard to give a definitive opinion on your situation with such sketchy details, but a few things do tend to leap out; namely, that the fellows here are quite correct that her behavior will NOT get better after the wedding. Trust me on this — I’ve watched innumerable friends go through the whole rigmarole, and not once (!) has a bitchy girlfriend ever transformed into a tolerable wife.
As to your questions about the institution of marriage itself, well, I can’t say that you should never get married, but you should keep in mind a few salient facts:
*If you get married, the odds are that you will get divorced. Sad, but true.
*Divorce is emotionally, legally, and financially devastating to most men. I cannot stress this point enough.
*Most married women seem (relatively) reasonable up until the point of divorce, at which point even the most angelic women have a noted habit of becoming absolutely and titanically awful. Seriously. I’m not kidding.
*Regardless of how special you may think a particular woman is, please remember that all the other guys that have been run through the wringer thought the EXACT same thing about their women.
One thing that I will tell you straight out: as a young man, you probably feel a certain pressure to get married. Perhaps, as is the case with most young guys, you simply feel that it’s the thing to do at a certain age.
If you marry, the odds are VERY good that you will come to seriously regret it.
If you do not marry, the odds are overwhelming that you will not regret it;I have yet to meet the unmarried fellow that regrets his choice to remain single.
By staying single, you guarantee several key elements to male happiness:
*Sex. As a single man, you will get WAY more sex in the long run than married men do; as you get older, this will become even more apparent — single women in their late twenties/early thirties are a very accommodating crowd.
Married women are pretty safe in playing games with sex; they know their men cannot leave them regardless of how coldly they are treated.
Single women know that if they play games with sex, their man will simply find a more affectionate chick and leave them in the dust.
*Finances. You get to keep your own money, and don’t have to sweat the immense expense of having a wife.
*Freedom from bitchiness; as a single man, you are free to kick a bitchy woman straight to the curb. No muss, no fuss, just up and out. Trust me, married men are ANYTHING but free to do this.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by Slacker on Apr 3, 2006, 9:29pm
Utterly Depressed aka Jerry, I assume you have read the article. To rephrase it, can you afford the financial loss should the relationship turn bad and she divorces you? Take this example :
My friend got divorced several years ago. He had one child with his exwife. He now pays $1,000 (US dollars) per month in child support, plus half of the child’s medical expenses. His ex-wife is constantly trying to get more money from him. He has had to put his house and car in his second wife’s name to avoid the court increasing his child support. Additionally, he can only see his son once a week and it must be supervised. His ex-wife told the court she feared that he would kidnap his son. She also lied in court and falsely accused him of hitting her.
Are you prepared to pay this kind of price should the marriage go bad?
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by Say it again Dick on Apr 3, 2006, 9:29pm
Apr 3, 2006, 8:59pm, dickthedog wrote:
Don’t listen to these guys. You won’t be walking on eggshells the rest of your life. After a kid or two, after her obvious contempt has grown into a monster, she’ll divorce you, you’ll be ass-raped in family court, you’ll be seeing your kids 2 out of 14 days (if you’re nice) and living alone. No more eggshells.
This deserves to be said again.
The Dogdick is a sage.
Thanks Dick.
Now Jerry, you read this until it begins to sink in.
Don’t Marry
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by niceguy78 on Apr 3, 2006, 9:41pm
By the way.
Do NOT have sex with your gf anymore. Before you break up with her NO SEX. After you break up with her NO sex. Or you could end up serving 15-30 for “rape”.
But SMART.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by ponder on Apr 3, 2006, 9:43pm
sofaking6, is a woman.
NEVER TAKE RELATIONSHIP ADVICE FROM A WOMAN!
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by Litte Lion on Apr 3, 2006, 9:50pm
Listen to KhanKrumTheBulgar. He’s right.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by thechief on Apr 3, 2006, 10:32pm
Start at the beginning with the archives, read everything, and then tell us you still want to marry her.
If you don’t have the time, let me summarize. I’ve been here a long time, and a lot of bullshit goes on here, no denying it. But a few basic truths have emerged over the years…
1) Any bad behavior she exhibits during courtship will only be amplified after the wedding, when she has no particular incentive to control herself any longer.
2) Brand new bad behaviors will quite likely surface, like a lack of interest in sex.
3) If she divorces you chances are she’ll get the majority of the assets, plus alimony plus child support and primary custody of any kids you have.
4) On the other hand if you decide to divorce her, chances are…she’ll get the majority of the assets, plus alimony plus child support and primary custody of any kids you have.
5) No fault divorce is the law in every state of the union and every providence in Canada, and women file 70% of divorces. Chances are you’ll go through a divorce whether you really want it or not.
Don’t do it, kid. It’s not a good risk.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by kris on Apr 3, 2006, 11:27pm
A buddy of mine has been dating this one girl for 10 years and has been living with her the past 2. I barely ever see this guy as any plans I make with him are based on how accessible he has to be to her. If she goes out, then fine, he makes time, else, whenever I call him on the phone, as soon as the bitch walks through the door, he tells me he has to go.
She had been pressing him for marriage for the past 6 years hardcore. He’s managed to suppress the urge to have to ask her, but now, as he lives with her, she’s in his face all the time about it. Last December the fool went and spent $5,000 on an engagement ring. You’d think she would be all happy and treat him better for it. The last time I talked to him I asked him how she was behaving. He said she was no different than before and now, even though he won’t admit it by the sound of his voice, is regretting the move.
He recently applied for another job within his company but in a different city. He believes that if he moves out to that city and spends a couple years there, he can move back to his current location with the company but to a better paying position. Problem is, his girlfriend has NO job prospects in the city he’s wanting to move to, so chances are he’ll be supporting the both of them while she looks for work. It’s hard enough finding a job here in the BIG city, much less finding something outside in a little “burb” about 2 hours away.
I’ve emailed him and pleaded with him to come to this website and take a look around at the forum. He’s come close to doing that just by reading a bit of the home-page essay, but has not come back to finish it. I believe whole heartedly he’s afraid he’s going to read something that will explain/confirm his experience with this girl and will be trigger shy to pull out of his relationship. The worst thing he could have done was move in with her.
He told me her debt is pretty awful. She spends more than she earns and was pissed off when she bought him an expensive wrist-watch for Christmas because he knows now that once he marries her, he’ll end up paying for his own gift.
In the past he’s always harped on me as to when I was going to get married to my girlfriend. I keep telling him never. I guess misery loves company.
I figure if I don’t see him much these days, I’m not going to see him at all after he gets married. Not only that, I told him that once he marries her, WE can no longer discuss each others relationships as I don’t think I could offer him any positive advice.
My advice to the youngster here is to not marry this girl.
Stay single. I know it’s tough as your parents are probably bothering you more than your girlfriend. Don’t cave.
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READ. ANALYSE. DON’T MARRY
Post by Truthslayer on Apr 3, 2006, 11:30pm
A bit long, but you seem to need it:
ABOVE ALL – NEVER, EVER GET MARRIED. It is a prison sentence. In most states in the USA there is no incentive for a man to get married as odds are you will be legally reamed if the relationship deteriorates from ‘rape within marriage’ allegations (her words against your and guess who they believe), to ‘domestic violence’ allegations (again her word against yours), to child support, to alimony. A divorce allows a woman to financially ruin a man guilt free. It gets worse if you have children because then you have to pay support for a child that has a 25% chance of not being biologically yours. As a man you’re taking all of the risk and reaping NO REWARDS.
Only one out of six chambers of the gun is loaded in Russian Roulette, but you still don’t see everyone playing it. The 16.67% chance of getting your brains blown out is still far better than the approximately 40% chance a man has of having his life destroyed by a marriage with a woman. Marriage is becoming the social Edsel of the 21st century. Would you buy any product which failed more than 50% of the time?
To American women the ideal husband is a docile schmuck who slaves away at work, pays her bills, and doesn’t pester her for sex. Marriage used to provide access to sex. Now it provides access to celibacy.
Women have absolutely no compunction about “FORCING” their husbands to do any damn thing they want them to, up to and including forcing them to support kids that they don’t want or aren’t even theirs, and the law thinks that is just great. But, let a man push the issue even once in that magical territory of sex, and he gets a criminal penalty equal to having killed someone.
American women are great for easy casual sex, but make terrible wives.
Marriage is a license to take someone for granted. You lose all of your bargaining power once you get married. The woman can then gain weight, cut off all of her hair, stop having sex or stop performing certain acts, and there’s nothing you can do about it short of divorcing her and accepting the dire consequences thereof. She has no incentive to remain attractive to her husband.
Relationships are always about power and control. That is why a man should never let a woman have power and control over him in that way. That’s not to say the man should have power over the woman, it just means that neither should have power over the other. Relationships would actually be better if neither party had power and control over the other. The less that the parties have invested in each other (financially), the less problems there will be.
A woman gives an ultimatum about when she should get married, that means she doesn’t care who she marries, she’d marry anything, there’s no romance, no love involved, she doesn’t even care who she marries – it just mean she wants to be married. If any man faces this – GET AWAY! She doesn’t care why you’re having doubts. All she’ll do is try to make you feel guilty and ashamed for having doubts. That’s even worse. She’s been dreaming about her wedding day since she was a child. All she needs is some schmuck to fill in the part of Groom so that she can live out her little attention whore fantasy of Queen for a Day.
Marriage to these women is nothing more than an item to cross off of the list, nothing more than an item to check off on the Day-Planner. It doesn’t matter who they marry, they just want to be married and “tag!”, you’re it!” Being married is an increase in status for women. Not being married is a heavy stigma for a woman to bear, which only increases the pressure to be married for all the wrong reasons.
What honestly needs to be analyzed is why men don’t want to be married or are at least not very enthusiastic about it. No one seems to care. As with the last 40 years, feminism’s hold on many of the agendas of this country has told us that a woman’s needs preclude a man’s, therefore we somehow should only listen to her feelings. They would rather just tell us that we “fear” commitment, when really, we fear that all the risks and sacrifices we have to take and make for her will yield little to nothing in return. Men most often take all the risk and reap none of the rewards.
Marriage increases a woman’s options and choices, while conversely, it decreases a man’s options and choices.
Marriage for a man = Less money, less sex, more emotional abuse, more unnecessary responsibilities, no appreciation, no acknowledgment or respect for his contributions, constantly dealing with spouse who is never satisfied – nothing he does is ever enough, constant bitching about things she’s not getting despite all she’s getting, nagging, constantly being tested on how much he loves her, being told he doesn’t love her whenever he doesn’t do things the way she believes he should do them (emotionally bullying him into doing things the way she wants them done), destruction of his life’s dreams for her needs, etc. Nice deal, eh?
Women are extremely lazy in relationships. They expect you to initiate the meeting, they expect you to initiate the conversation, they expect you to initiate sex, they expect you to read their minds, they expect you to protect and take care of them as they just sit back and take in the benefits, they expect you to be their emotional tampon, all the while feeling perfectly justified in doing so since they’re the female and all they have to do is “show up” while you do the work. Do you really think that marriage will be any different?
Women want a man to commit, but their commitment to him only extends to his serving her needs.
I know that most men can live in modest means. As they say, a man can live in a cave with a bear skin cloak. It is only when the pressure to mate hits him that he must increase his means. It is women who more often demand to live in a bigger house in a nicer neighborhood thereby turning their husbands into a wage slave, chained to a desk for the rest of his life, doomed to die earlier than her only so that she may benefit from the fruits of his labor.
The huge advantages given to mothers in the divorce wars has created a reality for mothers that makes it far easier to divorce than to work on a marriage. Women are more eager than men to enter marriage, and more eager to leave it — with the kids, the house, and the child support. The majority of divorces (75%-80%) are filed by women, chances are 2 to 1 that she’ll file. Why wouldn’t she be eager to enter and leave it, she has a lot less to lose? Besides, women’s transient whims are subject to change at any moment, you know “a woman’s prerogative”, “a woman reserves the right to change her mind at any time”. Would you want to put your future in the hands of a being like this?
Of course, if you have children, there’s a 90% chance she’ll get custody, then stick you with ridiculously high child support (not to mention alimony), which she’ll use to buy clothes, make-up and other items to attract the next sucker. And if the courts don’t feel that you’re earning “enough” money (i.e. your “imputed income”), they’ll force you to pay an amount that is a percentage of your potential earnings rather than your actual earnings… and if you lose your job, or suffer any other hardship and get behind on your child support, you will be forced to go to jail where you’ll never be able to catch up! What a deal, huh? You’re one missed check away from being criminalized simply for being a father! Debtor’s Prisons are illegal in the U.S., but I guess they’ll bend the Constitutional Rules in this case. And don’t forget that, in some states, even if you’re not the father of her rug rats, the state can still find you liable for supporting them. Are you not yet convinced that the U. S. hates men and sees them as nothing more than sperm donors and wallets when all is said and done?
When a man marries a woman he is becoming her slave and if he rebels, she uses the legal system to punish him for refusing to be her slave.
Do you notice if married men ever sense that their wives see them as a means to an end rather than a person? Some of them feel like their wives love them for what they can do for her (kids, security, whatever) but do not really care about him specifically. Many women who are getting older want to get married, but who they marry seems less important than actually being married.
Marriage was long ago redefined as a temporary contractual arrangement which existed only for the purpose and gratification of the adults involved and was only binding on the male and only existed at the pleasure of the female. The average marriage today lasts 8 years.
Marriage is an institution founded on mistrust. If she thought you would stick around if not compelled, she wouldn’t need marriage. Marriage exists to control the male, until recently a good idea. Now, however, she can support herself, and doesn’t need protection. She doesn’t need you, or you, her.
If you want men to want to go back into families, you have to put something back into families for men. Right now, it is all cost and obligation and no benefit at all. The guilt trips and mind games are wearing out. Fewer and fewer men are masochistic enough to enslave themselves to a life of torture for an occasional bit of bad sex.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by ztp on Apr 4, 2006, 12:04am
Would you step through a one-way door into a room with no way of getting out? That’s what marriage is nowadays involving an American woman. It’s a one-way door with no escape.
Rule:
- Don’t get married until you have lost all sexual urges (40 yrs or older). Believe me it goes away especially if you have other things occupying your life. Focus on becoming a successful person. No woman can ever match the feeling of success and accomplishment.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by BL on Apr 4, 2006, 12:35am
From Buster B. (He’s married).
“Remember your worst days with her. When she was at her bitchiest, her most sarcastic, or her most manipulative and whiny. Ask yourself, could you live with that every day for the rest of your life? If the answer is no, then don’t marry.”
My feeling is that IF there are any exceptions they are so few as to be statistically insignificant. I’m not willing to gamble my life on odds that are no better than a lotto ticket. RUN!!!!
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by morpheus on Apr 4, 2006, 12:57am
Hi Jerry,
I personally recommend you read my epic 2-part series “Should We Get Married?”
This is based on things I wrote down many years ago at the time I broke up with my fiancee. I was a little older than you when I was engaged, and I was feeling and thinking a lot of the same things as you. Read up; I hope you’ll recognize that someone understands what you’re going through, and that it is possible to survive a break-up, emotionally.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by Utterly SHOCKED aka Jerry on Apr 4, 2006, 12:58am
I want to thank you guys for the hits below the belt. This has been the most life changing day in my life. I called her up ten minutes ago and called things off. Oh, boy. She screamed at me and called me a faggot. A f—— faggot. I have never slept with her and that was thrown in my face again. At least I didn’t buy the f—— engagement ring that I was going to buy next month. Thank you very, very much. I am eternally grateful to all.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by Utterly SHOCKED aka Jerry on Apr 4, 2006, 1:01am
Oh, I was going to post her name, address and phone number here, but shes mean enough to do the same to me, so maybe I’ll just be glad I’m getting out of this. Thanks again for the time you took to clear my head.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by morpheus on Apr 4, 2006, 1:06am
Apr 4, 2006, 12:58am, Utterly SHOCKED aka Jerry wrote:
I want to thank you guys for the hits below the belt. This has been the most life changing day in my life. I called her up ten minutes ago and called things off. Oh, boy. She screamed at me and called me a faggot. A f—— faggot. I have never slept with her and that was thrown in my face again. At least I didn’t buy the f—— engagement ring that I was going to buy next month. Thank you very, very much. I am eternally grateful to all.
Rockin’! You got out of even buying an engagement ring!
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by morpheus on Apr 4, 2006, 1:08am
Apr 4, 2006, 1:01am, Utterly SHOCKED aka Jerry wrote:
Oh, I was going to post her name, address and phone number here, but shes mean enough to do the same to me, so maybe I’ll just be glad I’m getting out of this. Thanks again for the time you took to clear my head.
Yes, thank you for not exacting petty revenge in this manner. That’s the woman’s role! Your job is to go on to lead a much better life than she can possibly dream of. You’re young and you’re just starting out in life. You have incredible opportunity to look forward to.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by ztp on Apr 4, 2006, 1:16am
Jerry,
Congratulations on taking the first step to a BETTER world for you. You have no idea how much better you’ll feel after getting free from the devil. Keep busy and start to focus on making money (if you’re not already). There’s endless opportunities out there. They key is energy and enthusiasm. Not having a vampire sucking the life out of you and filling you with doubt will make things easier. Remember you are a king meant to rule the Earth.
Word of Caution: Shrews will not give up easily. If shaming you will not work (i.e., calling you a faggot) she may come back with a crying tactic or sex tactic. She’s speaking to her other girl friends about what to do at this very moment. It’s best just to totally avoid her and keep busy and focused on achieving and accomplishing. Those will make you feel much better than a female ever could.
Also, remember her beauty (her only real weapon with the exception of maybe her cold, sharp tongue) is an illusion. Ponder this. When she hits the big threeO (30 yrs old) Mother Nature will start looking for her with her Ugly Stick. She may be able to avoid Mother Nature for a few years, but eventually she will get her whack. Every female does. She will wake up one morning, look in the mirror and scream (crows feet, wrinkles around mouth, blotchy skin). That’s reality.
You stay busy Jerry!
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by Plotinus on Apr 4, 2006, 1:18am
Apr 4, 2006, 12:58am, Utterly SHOCKED aka Jerry wrote:
dont-marry.com – This has been the most life changing day in my life.
Congratulations Jerry. You are now a free man. Your freedom is more important than any woman will ever be.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by Realist on Apr 4, 2006, 1:23am
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If shaming you will not work (i.e., calling you a faggot) she may come back with a crying tactic or sex tactic.
That is definitely the Female MO.
You will soon find out how manipulative women can be.
Stay disciplined. Women never like to lose. They like to do the breaking up.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by Utterly SHOCKED aka Jerry on Apr 4, 2006, 1:24am
My heartbeat has slowed and I’m calming down- I don’t handle stress very well- and I have read all of your answers very carefully again, and I will list some things about this mess I’ve gotten myself into and in no particular order.
It was basically her idea to push for marriage.
I knew her less than two months when she put the screws on about marriage.
She graduated from college last year,-she’s 25- and has a lot of student loans to the tune of $20,000+, although she won’t tell me for sure.
I think she has a lot of credit card debt, although she doesn’t like to talk about it, and gets mad when I have tried to make it a part of our financial planning.
All of my friends told me not to marry her.
My parents don’t like her.
My sister told me she didn’t like her.
My now former GF doesn’t get along with my family and doesn’t like my friends.
Her only sister is a lesbian, and yet she calls ME a faggot.
Her mother divorced her father, who is a nice guy, and I don’t know for sure, but I think he got taken.
There’s more, but I think you guys are clairvoyant- mis-spelled? Sorry, I’m still not thinking clearly. Thanks again, and I will post any developments.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by ztp on Apr 4, 2006, 1:28am
Jerry,
You didn’t dodge a bullet. You dodged a 2000 lb laser guided bomb.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by morpheus on Apr 4, 2006, 1:31am
Apr 4, 2006, 1:24am, Utterly SHOCKED aka Jerry wrote:
There’s more, but I think you guys are clairvoyant- mis-spelled? Sorry, I’m still not thinking clearly. Thanks again, and I will post any developments.
No, we’re not clairvoyant. We just know the situations, the patterns, the M.O.’s– suffice it to say “THE DEAL”. We’ve made a study out of this, just from casual observation.You are likely to do the same now that you’ve been unplugged from the Matrix (why do you think they call me morpheus? 
). Welcome to the real world.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by Realist on Apr 4, 2006, 1:39am
Jerry,
College student loans aren’t a big deal, but the credit card debt is.
You don’t want to start off in a situation where a woman is only making minimum payments on her credit cards (because she is $25,000 in debt).
Due diligence is the key. Whenever I have dated women in the past, i usually find out how much credit card debt they have. It is the most sure-fire method of ratting out a woman who could be looking for a meal ticket.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by tiredofit on Apr 4, 2006, 2:56am
Hi Jerry,
I understand the *shock* you are in. It feels like the entire world has been turned upside down. It can feel so… cold and dark. Think of it as going through a dark tunnel. But there is light at the end.
I was fortunate, like yourself, to dodge the bullet. At first, I questioned myself about whether it was the right decision and if I was the reason it messed up. Within time, all that fell and I am no longer ‘brainwashed’.
I now feel like a stranger at home. You will find many guys, who were just like yourselves, but they ended up marrying the girl. They will be miserable and you will notice it.
You’ve just saved your life.
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She screamed at me and called me a faggot. A f—— faggot. I have never slept with her and that was thrown in my face again.
Hahahah! How many times have I heard the same! Jerry, I think one of the smartest things you did was not sleep with her. By not sleeping with her, your mind was clear from the intoxicating hormones and you could question what was going on.
From what I’ve mostly seen, men often get such a huge ego from their girlfriends that they never consider that she may be using him.
Welcome to the board, Jerry! While we, here, may have our own squabbles, we are all united against situations such as yours.
If you have any regrets, don’t. If you don’t realize how lucky you got by getting rid of her now, you definitely will as you get older.
You’ve just made the best decision of your life.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by dickthedog on Apr 4, 2006, 3:30am
There’s more, but I think you guys are clairvoyant- mis-spelled? Sorry, I’m still not thinking clearly. Thanks again, and I will post any developments.
A lot of us older guys have lived this nightmare. The purpose of this board is guys like you. Live long and prosper.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by Niall IB on Apr 4, 2006, 4:59am
Jerry,
Well done. Red flag city. But don’t think this is over just yet. You just did something she didn’t like so she is really steamed.
Avoid her at all costs for the foreseeable future. Do not be alone with her, do not talk to her on the phone let the machine pick up. If she comes by the house ask her to leave the premises and if she doesn’t call the cops and have her removed and then file for a restraining order.
May seem extreme but if she’s steamed enough she may try and hit you with false rape/assault charge. Your word against hers and guess who gets believed?
Just be real careful for a while.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by khankrumthebulgar on Apr 4, 2006, 6:06am
Jerry this is very important. Document where you are and who you are with for the next couple of months. Is she very vindictive? If she is angry enough she may accuse you of rape. And happens all the time. For her to call you Gay is Emotional Terrorism. Don’t talk to her, see her, and for God’s sake don’t have Sex with her. Let her alone and don’t respond to her without witnesses present.
If you must have any interaction with her tape the Conversation. Better yet have Witnesses present and tape it. Write a transcript of the conversation. She sounds unhinged. It should blow over. When it does you have dodged a bullet. Let some other poor schmoe be the Collateral Damage.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by Truthslayer on Apr 4, 2006, 6:29am
To Utterly SHOCKED aka Jerry
“No” actually does “mean no”, when it is a man saying it.
I recommend you read the Mirror of the Soul website and the John Ross link.
Here’s some more help:
QUOTE(Professor X @ Jun 2 2005, 02:31 PM)
I hate it when people sit here and ignore the sneaky manipulative shit that women do. Older people tend to live in a fantasy world anyways. Antiriads father is not in step with what is going on in society for younger people. Hes not grasping the total situation.
1. If she cheats its the mans fault–he somehow made her because something he didn’t do
2. If she runs up the credit cards-its his fault because he didn’t stop it and its his responsibility to pay it off because hes her husband.
3. If she has a career hes expected to support it but she is not required to do anything to support his career except hold her hand out to accept his paycheck every week.
4. If shes a mental case hes expected to support her no matter how wacko she is–but if hes crazy she can leave because how is she supposed to deal with a crazy ass man
5. If she wants to kick him to the curb its her right to date and be with whoever she wants too but if he does the same thing you will see it on the Oprah Winfrey show all about lowlife lying men.
Given this type of environment why in the hell would a man want to get married. I wish someone old would give me flack about my stance on women. I will enjoy telling them off right to their face.
The older generation are the ones who got us all into this mess we are in right now by being too weak to deal with women. Now that is has blown up in mens faces the same men that caused it all blame it on the current males. Whats worse is you even see idiots of this day and time still getting married.
A MAN GETTING MARRIED TODAY=A SHEEP HEADED FOR THE SLAUGHTERHOUSE.
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“If you weren’t my friend, I wouldn’t ask you to do this.”
That’s just an example of women’s bass-ackwards way of thinking about friendship. I was actually musing on this earlier today and I came to the realization that love is basically a matter of how much you are willing to sacrifice for another person. Makes sense when you think about it.
So here, as a “friend” it would be a friend-like thing to do to make a sacrifice and move – IF you offered to do it.
Actually, by this definition, it can be said that women don’t love men very much at all. I have never known a girlfriend to make a sacrifice for me. I’d make sacrifices for them, and they’d ask me to make sacrifices for them (shit, that’s ANTI-love!), but they’d never make sacrifices for me.
Interestingly, though, this didn’t stop one or two of them (not all of them) from complaining that I didn’t sacrifice enough for them and that if I REALLY loved them I would yada yada yada.
Anybody who’s been around for a while can tell you that any statement that begins with “If you really loved me” is EMOTIONAL MANIPULATION. Nothing more. It’s also a sign that the person making that statement DOES NOT CARE ABOUT YOU.
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I think a more apt question, rather than “Why don’t men want to get married?” is “Why SHOULD men want to get married?”
Seriously. What’s in it for me if I get married? Oooh, I can get sex outside of wedlock! That’s what’s keeping me from getting married, right?
Yeah, so I’ll get married for the sole purpose of having sex? And in exchange for that I assume huge responsibilities. Thanks, but no thanks.
Pre-feminism, when you married, you got yourself a HOMEMAKER. And she got SECURITY. Now THAT’S something worth marrying for. Yes, you got sex too, but so did she. (Oh, I forgot – women give sex and men receive it.)
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The fact that most women aren’t worth marrying is self-evident. If men are the consumers and decide that the package is crap, the producers whining and demanding that what they are providing is wonderful, “Shut up and buy it,” won’t work. That’s what is happening. Due to their refusal to see the obvious, as it means that they aren’t worth shit as they are, it will get much worse. Much like the business cranking out a crappy product about to go bankrupt.
Brothers, I smell fear. It is sweet.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by thechief on Apr 4, 2006, 7:33am
HA! Another soul saved!! High fives all around, gentlemen. Oh, and Jerry? Don’t backslide. She may come around acting sweet and conciliatory, she may ACT like she’s ready to compromise and mend her ways. Don’t buy it. Stay strong, and keep checking back in here.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by grandcurmudgeon on Apr 4, 2006, 7:53am
Apr 4, 2006, 12:58am, Utterly SHOCKED aka Jerry wrote:
I want to thank you guys for the hits below the belt. This has been the most life changing day in my life. I called her up ten minutes ago and called things off. Oh, boy. She screamed at me and called me a faggot. A f—— faggot. I have never slept with her and that was thrown in my face again. At least I didn’t buy the f—— engagement ring that I was going to buy next month. Thank you very, very much. I am eternally grateful to all.
Congratulations, Jerry – you just dodged the bullet and avoided making the worst mistake of your entire life. As I stated in another thread, AW only have one mode and one method – ATTACKATTACKATTACKATTACKATTACKATTACKATTACK
You have been seeing her at her best, when she was trying to “entice” you to stick your head into the noose of marriage. If you had, her behavior would have gotten worse, and she would have had you just where she wanted you.
I will bet that within 2 days you will start feeling a great sense of relief, and begin to realize how toxic that relationship already was for you. As the toxins of her emotional terrorism begin to leave your body, you will feel better and better, and more free than you did during the entire time you were involved with her.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by Truthslayer on Apr 4, 2006, 9:56am
We may not save them all, guys, but we NEVER give up trying.
grandcurmudgeon, I believe that’s called Men Regaining Power. This young man has started to regain his. He’s going to not only see what he avoided, he’s going to see the potential I’m sure you see in many newly enlightened.
Gentlemen, NEVER think your words or posts don’t reach others. They may not blossom immediately, but if the seed is planted, watered by the stream of female rage, a new enlightened male will blossom and ready to go his own way.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by SumYungGi on Apr 4, 2006, 10:17am
To weigh in on Women’s love:
I think men love much more deeply than women do. From a biological standpoint it makes sense: the purpose of love is to create children, which the woman must raise and the man must work for and protect. For a woman, love means she is willing to lay down her body, for a man, love means he is willing to lay down his life. Nowadays, a woman is love any guy she met a few hours before in a bar. Unsurprisingly, a woman’s love has been devalued in the process.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by Pete on Apr 4, 2006, 10:48am
Jerry, she may also be preparing to play the “if we don’t get back together I’m going to kill myself” card. Just ignore her. They never follow it through.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by Lee on Apr 4, 2006, 11:40am
Apr 4, 2006, 1:24am, Utterly SHOCKED aka Jerry wrote:
My heartbeat has slowed and I’m calming down- I don’t handle stress very well- and I have read all of your answers very carefully again, and I will list some things about this mess I’ve gotten myself into and in no particular order. It was basically her idea to push for marriage.
That’s fine. All women will do this.
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She graduated from college last year,-she’s 25- and has a lot of student loans to the tune of $20,000+, although she won’t tell me for sure.
Not good.
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I think she has a lot of credit card debt, although she doesn’t like to talk about it, and gets mad when I have tried to make it a part of our financial planning.
Very bad. If she gets defensive, she probably has tons of debt that she wants to unload on you.
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All of my friends told me not to marry her.
Good advice.
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My parents don’t like her.
Then dump her.
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My sister told me she didn’t like her.
Dump her.
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Her only sister is a lesbian, and yet she calls ME a faggot.
Dump her and never speak to her again.
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Her mother divorced her father, who is a nice guy, and I don’t know for sure, but I think he got taken.
Dump her and never speak to her again.
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There’s more, but I think you guys are clairvoyant
No, we just have experience and are sharing it with you.
To recap:
Dump her and never speak to her again.
Dump her and never speak to her again.
Dump her and never speak to her again.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by rule62 on Apr 4, 2006, 1:14pm
Jerry,
All the red flags and flares from your last post hurt my eyes. I am 43, never married, and so happy. I look at all the damage done to my friends and business associates. It is horrendous what the modern AW has turned into. I could have married three different times in the past and I am so thankful I did not.
I am single, living overseas, working in a career field I love. What could be better? I travel Europe experiencing European women – east and west without any attachments.
Do I regret not having children – I must tell you I really do not. That is me, and I am just not the father type. Not after I watch what other men go through.
I come and go as I please, purchase what I need and want. I have an AW begging me right now to get into a relationship with her. She is in her late 20s and attractive. I ask why, and I cannot give myself a good answer. Especially after being on this and similar boards.
All of the advice is good on this thread. I am most impressed, and it all lines up with my own experience. My guess is you have not heard the last of this vampire. She’ll be back – she’ll try all the usual tricks. Stay strong, and do not fall for the emotional terrorism, the shaming or the sexual “favors”.
Khankrumthebulgar is 100% correct, she’ll do it just to hit you with a rape charge. It happens all the time. I would really recommend cutting off all contact, and if you are anywhere near her make sure there are witnesses. Seriously, she’ll think nothing of filing a false claim. She has nothing to lose. The court could not care less if it is a false claim, that has been proven over and over.
Do yourself a favor and get overseas and see what women can be like.
And one last thing, if the urge hits, return to this site. It has helped me in moments of weakness.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by myachingback on Apr 4, 2006, 1:32pm
Today, you have some power, because you can say no as well as yes to marriage.
After marriage, she has a tremendous advantage, and after the birth of a child she has an overwhelming advantage.
If she is “dissing” you now, once there is a child she will be grinding you beneath her heel.
From experience — I’m 55, I think I know whereof I speak — I’d say “run like hell” and don’t look back.
If you don’t want kids, don’t get married.
If you do want kids, then get yourself a career, put some money aside, TRY TO MOVE OUTSIDE OF THE US AND THE ENGLISH-SPEAKING COUNTRIES if at all possible, and when you’re 37 or so you will have your pick of lovely Asian and Latina ladies of 22 or so. You want one who has lived with her parents, who has no child, who is a woman and not a feminist harridan.
Most American women are avowed feminists; the ones who deny that they are are still infected, they just are a little more candid that they expect not to have to earn money ever again after first giving birth.
Marrying anyone at 22 in the US today is madness. Don’t do it.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by Mikhail on Apr 4, 2006, 3:02pm
Whoa,
With the additional details you have provided, I can only say that you have just avoided what would have turned out to be THE mistake of your life.
(Jesus, fella, do you realize how close you just came to destroying your life? Dating a woman like the one you have described is like playing Russian roulette with an automatic pistol).
Stop and take a second to firmly fix this moment in your mind; whatever else happens in your life, however many mistakes you may end up making, you will always know that (at the least) you managed to avoid one of the biggest errors of judgment a man can make in these times.
Pat yourself on the back.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by sirchancealot on Apr 4, 2006, 4:39pm
Apr 3, 2006, 8:36pm, Utterly Depressed aka Jerry wrote:
I’ve been lurking here and reading the comments for a couple of hours and I’m just blown away at what I’m reading. I’m 22, still in college, and plan on getting married in a year or so. Nothing set timewise, but it seems to be all up to my girlfriend. I started plugging in the words women suck, dont marry and other things into my computer, and wound up here. I’ve been having more than a few questions lately about my girlfriend, but I love her very much. She gets mad at the smallest stuff, and I finally told her to f— off last night. I never heard the end of it and was up all night listening to her ridicule me about me “attitude” and my abusive language.My question is: Am I fool to marry her? Am I a fool to marry anyone? I’m kind of sick of walking on eggshells right now, and really want to know if women are hopeless. What the hell do I do at this point? I can’t imagine being alone, but don’t want to get yelled at for the rest of my life.
Want to know the biggest red flag you will ever see? The implied thing here is that she views YOUR OPINIONS, and YOUR EMOTIONS as, not only useless, but WRONG. See the problem with that?
Yes, ANY man is a fool to get married today. Here’s a little secret… I ***LIKE*** being married. I would get married again in a heartbeat if I could find a good woman in the USA AND the laws were changed.
Unfortunately, that is about as likely as me spotting a leprechaun riding a unicorn who is singing.
Stay AWAY from marriage, and whatever you do, make sure you use a condom if you have sex with her.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by sirchancealot on Apr 4, 2006, 4:49pm
Apr 4, 2006, 10:48am, Pete wrote:
Jerry, she may also be preparing to play the “if we don’t get back together I’m going to kill myself” card.Just ignore her. They never follow it through.
Really? Then why am I a widower? Just food for thought. (But no, even if she DOES pull this, don’t get back with her)
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by grandcurmudgeon on Apr 4, 2006, 5:04pm
Apr 4, 2006, 4:49pm, sirchancealot wrote:
Apr 4, 2006, 10:48am, Pete wrote:
Jerry, she may also be preparing to play the “if we don’t get back together I’m going to kill myself” card.Just ignore her. They never follow it through.
Really? Then why am I a widower? Just food for thought.
Are you saying that your wife killed herself?
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by sirchancealot on Apr 4, 2006, 5:17pm
Yep. On Father’s Day in 2001. I know all-too-well the damaging effects of getting together with a psychotic woman. Having “been there, done that”, I know how to spot them a mile away.
And yes, you should take every suicide threat seriously, but *HE* does not have to intervene.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by grandcurmudgeon on Apr 4, 2006, 5:23pm
That’s a very hard thing to go through, sirchancealot. I’ve been involved with plenty of psychotic ones, but I was lucky enough that I never fell in love with one.
How long were you married? How badly did it mess you up, and how long did it take to get a handle on it?
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by Pete on Apr 4, 2006, 5:26pm
Apr 4, 2006, 4:49pm, sirchancealot wrote:
Apr 4, 2006, 10:48am, Pete wrote:
Jerry, she may also be preparing to play the “if we don’t get back together I’m going to kill myself” card.Just ignore her. They never follow it through.
Really? Then why am I a widower? Just food for thought.
(But no, even if she DOES pull this, don’t get back with her)
sirchancealot, first off, please accept my apologies. I should have noted that it’s been my personal experience that this is nothing other than a tactic I’ve had used three times against me. Again, I should have stated that in my experience, not as a generalization. Again, please accept my apology.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by mamonaku on Apr 4, 2006, 5:31pm
Apr 4, 2006, 1:14pm, rule62 wrote:
Jerry,
I am single, living overseas, working in a career field I love. What could be better? I travel Europe experiencing European women – east and west without any attachments.Do yourself a favor and get overseas and see what women can be like.
Jerry,
Welcome to the board!
Rule62 is correct. Now that you have avoided a very bad situation, I would recommend seriously that you travel abroad.
My Japanese girlfriend is beautiful, loyal, and always looks out for my best interests. Having grown up with AmeriHoes, I never knew that such a woman could possibly exist.
Don’t let your ex manipulate you. There are women out there who know how to treat a man with respect and true love. Get out of the country, and experience it for yourself.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by BL on Apr 4, 2006, 5:32pm
Remember, A woman is capable of ANYTHING when she is trying to manipulate a man.
Be prepared for ANYTHING and don’t stop running.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by CP on Apr 4, 2006, 5:35pm
Apr 4, 2006, 1:32pm, myachingback wrote:
If she is “dissing” you now, once there is a child she will be grinding you beneath her heel.
Moreover, once the flavor of shitting on you has lost it’s flavor, she will:
Diss you in front of her family.
Diss you in front of your family.
Diss you in front of her friends.
Diss you in front of your friends.
Finally,
Diss you in front of your kids.
This last one hurts way more than anything else she can do. And note… she absolutely will do this, there is no maybe about it. By resorting to shaming tactics, she has tipped her hand and shown that she has no respect for you in the least; it never gets better from there.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by celibateforlife on Apr 4, 2006, 5:37pm
Well Jerry pat yourself on the back because you have just relieved yourself of a manipulative feminazi with no concept of financial responsibility. I was married to a feminazi like that, you have no idea how much damage you have averted. Remember when you marry, any debts or bad marks on either spouses credit record will now appear on YOUR record.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by Admin on Apr 4, 2006, 5:40pm
I’ve been having more than a few questions lately about my girlfriend, but I love her very much.
You may care for her greatly, but it doesn’t necessarily mean you should start a family with her. There is no downside in making a more informed decision, and doing some soul searching. Which was the true point of my essay. We men are highly loyal, so this is a hard decision when your brain and your heart are in conflict.
She gets mad at the smallest stuff,
This may be a symptom of other deeper issues you’re needing to communicate about…
I’m kind of sick of walking on eggshells right now,
Indicates poor communication… A relationship should be a pillar of strength and stability. Not a source of stress. Esp. at your age, when you have FEW pressures. (mortgage, parenting, shared finances, aging parents, etc)
but don’t want to get yelled at for the rest of my life.
More bad communication. If you have not learned to resolve conflicts as calm adults, you probably aren’t ready for marriage. (Never mind, that you’re still in college)
I can’t imagine being alone, but don’t want to get yelled at for the rest of my life.
Easy to think in extremes. Remember, breaking up with her does NOT mean you’ll be alone. In fact, you will become more marketable in the dating arena as you get older, particularly in your 30s, once you’re more mature, more interesting, and more established.
1) was up all night listening to her ridicule me about my “attitude” and my abusive language. vs. 2) She screamed at me and called me a faggot. A f—— faggot.
Boy, that’s ironic.
> I was going to post her name, address and phone number here
Don’t
has a lot of student loans to the tune of $20,000+, although she won’t tell me for sure
Hiding debt from you = Red Flag.
I think she has a lot of credit card debt, although she doesn’t like to talk about it, and gets mad when I have tried to make it a part of our financial planning.
By the way, VERY mature of you to discuss finances at such a young age. Do not be intimidated or shamed into thinking this is inappropriate. In fact, it is highly appropriate.
Her refusal to discuss it = HUGE red flag.
All of my friends told me not to marry her. My parents don’t like her. My sister told me she didn’t like her.
Marriage is a merging of FAMILIES, not 2 people. Often, people outside the mix can see things (issues) more clearly. Do not dismiss this.
Her mother divorced her father, who is a nice guy, and I don’t know for sure, but I think he got taken.
Worth discussing her perceptions and expectations of marriage, and her take on her parents situation.
I will list some things about this mess I’ve gotten myself into
This may seem like a mess today. But this is a girlfriend who you are having 2nd thoughts about. This is not some pandemic. You’re 22. You’re JUST starting your adult life. In fact, this may be a profound learning experience for you.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by Little Lion on Apr 4, 2006, 5:57pm
Apr 4, 2006, 12:58am, Utterly SHOCKED aka Jerry wrote:
I want to thank you guys for the hits below the belt. This has been the most life changing day in my life. I called her up ten minutes ago and called things off. Oh, boy. She screamed at me and called me a faggot. A f—— faggot. I have never slept with her and that was thrown in my face again. At least I didn’t buy the f—— engagement ring that I was going to buy next month. Thank you very, very much. I am eternally grateful to all.
Just remember those hateful words Jerry. Don’t make excuses for her. If she appeals to your emotions, you might need a stronger emotion to overcome them: remember those hateful words, and how long it took you to recover from them. Once a person says such things, they cannot be unsaid. If you do get involved with someone, you would want someone capable of understanding if things go south. Not necessarily a pushover who cannot defend herself, but someone who is constitutionally incapable of vindictiveness.
Consider it a small indication from her about what she would be like if things soured between you and her. Marriage would only make things worse. You don’t have to be a denizen of this board to know that marriage won’t make things any better: they should be good before. And if you weren’t happy before, you certainly won’t be happy after. This is the wisdom of ancient times, long before the family court and our culture became so adversarial towards men and fathers.
And if you had purchased that ring, I assure you that if you had given it to her, you would never have seen it again, and your investment would have been written off to another yet dreary, olive-drab learning experience. My comrades are absolutely right that you were wise not to sleep with her. In that connection, I’ve had women tell me flat out such off-putting things as, “I fucked you–you OWE me!” Life is too short my friend.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by moelarrycheese on Apr 4, 2006, 6:03pm
Don’t worry about hurting her feelings. She doesn’t care about yours. Another thing– when your girlfriend uses vulgar language in your presence and you do not use it in hers, it is a sign of deep-seated disrespect. It will not improve after marriage, when she has no further incentive to restrain it. The same can probably be said for her weight.
Dump her. Do not speak to her again. If she calls, tell her you do not want to speak to her anymore. Say goodbye. Do it politely and matter of- factly. Don’t go into details about why it ended, why can’t we try again, etc. It’s over. All second chances have been used up. Don’t be rude or verbally aggressive. If she does not say goodbye, hang up the phone. If she harasses you, call the police. Do not be alone with her again. If you have the same circle of friends, find something else to do for awhile. She will eventually drop out of circulation. This may take up to two years. By that time, you will have found greener pastures.
The above is a brief recap of what just happened to me. I have survived with my ass and my bank account intact. You should seriously consider doing the same.
BTW I am also with the finest, most wonderful woman in the world right now. She’s from South America, and life is good.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by Very relieved aka Jerry on Apr 4, 2006, 7:16pm
So much has happened since last night. I sat by my computer most of the night like a f—— security blanket reading this forum. I found out that Jen (my ex) has already lined up a date with a former boyfriend for tomorrow or the next day. She hasn’t called me, and I haven’t called her. I guess that I will be able to walk away from this because I never slept with her. My emotions are screwed but not as bad as if I had done the dirty deed. I also found out from a friend today who knows someone who has known her for some time that she supposedly has Herpes. I can’t verify it for sure, but I believe the story. If you knew the people involved, you would understand, so I guess I really got saved by you guys. Don’t underestimate what you’re doing here. All of you literally saved my life and my health.
My thanks and I will be in your debt forever.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by toadman on Apr 4, 2006, 7:41pm
Quote:
I found out that Jen (my ex) has already lined up a date with a former boyfriend for tomorrow or the next day.
Pray that the poor sucker sweeps her off her feet.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by grandcurmudgeon on Apr 4, 2006, 7:47pm
“I also found out from a friend today who knows someone who has known her for some time that she supposedly has Herpes. I can’t verify it for sure,”
And I’ve never personally verified that cyanide and arsenic are deadly poisons, but I’m really not near stubborn enough to not take other people’s word for it.
You really dodged the bullet, Jerry. This woman sounds like a complete emotional terrorist, and if she does have the virus that never goes away, you can bet everything you have that she would not have told you until it was too late for you to make an informed decision. I used to belong to an STD support group, and it was amazing the things women would talk about even with guys listening. Some deliberately tried to infect guys so that they would -
a ) feel like they had less value on the dating market so they would,
b) be more likely to stick around with a girl who already knew they had it and had reason to be more accepting of the fact.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by Confused aka Jerry on Apr 4, 2006, 7:48pm
I’ve been reading everything I can about Herpes and am seeing what kind of bullet I dodged. Jen said she had an abnormal pap a few weeks ago. Is this tied in with the Herpes she didn’t tell me about, or is it the same thing? Does anyone know?
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by grandcurmudgeon on Apr 4, 2006, 7:49pm
abnormal pap is more likely genital warts.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by Confused aka Jerry on Apr 4, 2006, 8:04pm
WHAT?!?
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by grandcurmudgeon on Apr 4, 2006, 8:12pm
Genital warts – HPV – Human Papiloma Virus. Google it.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by Shaking like a leaf aka Jerry on Apr 4, 2006, 8:24pm
Oh my God. Googling, will get back later tonight.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by ztp on Apr 4, 2006, 8:55pm
Apr 4, 2006, 7:16pm, Very relieved aka Jerry wrote:
So much has happened since last night. I sat by my computer most of the night like a f—— security blanket reading this forum. I found out that Jen (my ex) has already lined up a date with a former boyfriend for tomorrow or the next day. She hasn’t called me, and I haven’t called her. I guess that I will be able to walk away from this because I never slept with her. My emotions are screwed but not as bad as if I had done the dirty deed. I also found out from a friend today who knows someone who has known her for some time that she supposedly has Herpes. I can’t verify it for sure, but I believe the story. If you knew the people involved, you would understand, so I guess I really got saved by you guys. Dont’ underestimate what you’re doing here. All of you literally saved my life and my health.My thanks and I will be in your debt forever.
From my own experience it takes about 30 days for emotions to completely subside (or at least subside to a negligible level) after removing the parasite (her) from the host (you). Your mileage will vary with:
(1) self esteem. In other words, was having this viper as a girlfriend some type of boost to your ego or self-image? The thing about self esteem is that it is fungible. You don’t have to rely on chicks for feeling good about yourself as a guy. In fact, relying on females for feeling good is like building a house on quicksand in a swamp in hurricane zone next to a volcano. You’re asking for trouble. Derive your self-esteem from personal accomplishment. Achievement. Making money. Anything within your control. And as a male anything is within your control if you will only seize it. Get and stay busy. Don’t think about her. You got about a month to go through (or probably half that), but immersing yourself in other projects will help a lot!
(2) control she had over you. Did she have you by your balls, psychologically speaking? Apparently not since you had enough presence of mind to back away from the cliff.
She’s going back to her ex out of desperation and for an ego-boost. Her self-image is shattered right now. Chicks are the ones who are supposed to do this to men, not the other way around. Don’t put it past her to try to make the moves on one of your close friends (to try to make you jealous). Just spread the word that she is Typhoid Mary the Disease Carrier (as you’ve apparently found out) to all your male friends.
We’ll always be out here or somewhere. We’re not going anywhere. We’ve been living out in the wilderness of Skankanavia too long. We’re just trying to spread the word to younger males. To try to encourage you to take the Red Pill if you will (escape the Matrix).
Jerry the best thing you can do to support the effort is spread the word about dont-marry.com to your college age friends (and younger male siblings and relatives if you have any). Add the URL to the signatures of your emails. Tell your male friends how marriage to American females in this day and age will destroy their chances for wealth and happiness. It’s a modern day chattel system for American men.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by grandcurmudgeon on Apr 4, 2006, 9:04pm
Listen to the man, Jerry.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by Slacker on Apr 4, 2006, 9:09pm
Apr 3, 2006, 10:32pm, thechief wrote:
3) If she divorces you chances are she’ll get the majority of the assets, plus alimony plus child support and primary custody of any kids you have.4) On the other hand if you decide to divorce her, chances are…she’ll get the majority of the assets, plus alimony plus child support and primary custody of any kids you have.
Jerry, as if you needed further convincing, but thechief is so right about points 3 and 4. I can back it up with an example. A female co-worker cheated on her first husband. After the husband found out, he divorced her. But, she got the house, even though she was the one fooling around. In an ironic twist of fate, she threatened the guy with whom she had an affair in order to get him to marry her (I don’t know this point for certain, but I suspect she threatened him with rape charges). After I learned this, I thought this was an exception. But years later, I’ve learned from many people that you can’t trust women. They can, and will, take you to the cleaners in a divorce.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by BL on Apr 4, 2006, 9:52pm
“has already lined up a date with a former boyfriend for tomorrow or the next day.”
Yup, your replacement is ALWAYS in an ameriskanks back pocket.
ALWAYS.
” she supposedly has Herpes.”
What a fucking surprise, huh? Don’t think for a minute that this bitch is unique.
“All of you literally saved my life and my health.”
You are worth it. To your credit, you were ready to listen to the experience of others. Most men are not. I really enjoy seeing a young man like yourself escape the hell of ameriskankdom. Now forge ahead and build a great life for YOURSELF.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by Admin on Apr 4, 2006, 10:08pm
So much has happened since last night. I sat by my computer most of the night like a f—— security blanket reading this forum.
You sound like you’re hurting. Hang in there. Next month is a major adjustment. Just make sure to eat, sleep, and stay active. Reconnect w/ friends, and stick to a new/old hobby. A breakup is an adjustment. You may not see clearly until long after the emotions are out of the picture. “Clarity’ may come in phases….1 month….6 months….1 year…2 years. Really depends. Just don’t think this is the last girl in your life. You are smarter and wiser. Your next relationship is guaranteed to be better. You cant see it now, but yif this was a bad relationship, you may look back and think, “What was I thinking??” Hang in there. And take the high ground. I wouldn’t start spreading rumors. Just focus on your sanity and own needs for now.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by Little Lion on Apr 4, 2006, 10:32pm
Taking the high ground is good advice. When you look back on this, would you prefer to recall that you were so negatively affected, you acted out of spite? Or that you immediately began to put this episode behind you?
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by Humbled and Free aka Jerry on Yesterday at 12:23am
I googled HPv and Herpes for the last couple of hours and it made me so sick I can’t eat. There are pictures and everything. MOST women my age have HPV? Eighty percent?!?! Thirty percent have Herpes? Why didn’t they teach this in High school health? Why no mention in college? What are they trying to do to us? I knew almost nothing about any of this. There is NO danger in my having anything to do with her again. Yee Gods and little catfish. This stuff can cause CANCER!?!? I’ll never have sex. Ever, ever, ever. Now I understand about her mother having displacia and her sister having cervical abnormalities, whatever that means. They both have this disease. SHE has it and would have given it to me!
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Each one teach one
Post by Truthslayer on Yesterday at 12:34am
Wow, Scared Straight REALLY does work
Welcome to our world. Knowledge is power, and information is currency.
As has been said before, you need to start reaching the COLLEGE men and younger men with this information. WARN them of this, show them the links you saw and most of all, DON’T let them think they are immune. They are not.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by morpheus on Yesterday at 2:00am
Yesterday at 12:23am, Humbled and Free aka Jerry wrote:
I googled HPv and Herpes for the last couple of hours and it made me so sick I can’t eat. There are pictures and everything. MOST women my age have HPV? Eighty percent?!?! Thirty percent have Herpes? Why didn’t they teach this in High school health? Why no mention in college? What are they trying to do to us? I knew almost nothing about any of this. There is NO danger in my having anything to do with her again. Yee Gods and little catfish. This stuff can cause CANCER!?!? I’ll never have sex. Ever, ever, ever. Now I understand about her mother having displacia and her sister having cervical abnormalities, whatever that means. They both have this disease. SHE has it and would have given it to me!
If your “health” education was anything like mine it was AIDS, AIDS, AIDS all the time. “Everyone (!!!) has exactly the same probability of contracting this disease!” Even a straight-laced, drug-free virgin, yep. Like you, I didn’t start reading up on some of these other diseases until recently. Why did that information fall by the wayside? Must not be as politically useful.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by goofball on Yesterday at 2:32am
If you really want to lose your lunch, check out the HPV and other STD pictures on Google Images. When you see the physical curiosities that STDs can produce in both men and women, you’ll swear off sexual activity for the rest of your life.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by tiredofit on Yesterday at 4:10am
Holy cow! I knew a girl who had pre-cancerous cervix cancer that she luckily caught with a doctor’s visit. Yep, HPV infected.
Are the high virus levels of HPV in America or is it worldwide?
And I want to re-ask Jerry’s question: why isn’t this taught in sex ed class?
Jerry, you were extremely smart not to sleep with her. I know we live in a world where if you don’t sleep with every girl, people will *laugh* at you. I even started a ‘women who call you gay’ thread because of women think all the guys must “get laid”.
Guys, one awesome thing about marriage… in the past at least, were the disease checks. Now with all this sex outside of marriage, there really isn’t anything to contain these diseases. It is a good thing I’ve turned down so many female advances… yuck!
Jerry, I know you are shocked. Most of the shock will go away but not all of it. I’m still amazed at how messed up things have gotten.
But we should not live in gloom and doom. Do your hobbies and enjoy life! Two things that I recommend:
One: Here is an excellent blog to keep your spirits up and to show you how lucky you have dodged the bullet. This guy is who he says he is:
http://mirrorofthesoul.blogspot.com/
Second: There is a book I want you to buy. Don’t worry, it is not a big book. But if you thought you just dodged a major bullet, you owed it to yourself to read this book. It will explain things better about women then most of the men on this board can.
The book is: “The Manipulated Man” by Esther Vilar (a woman!). Most of the men here will recommend it. IF you are ever feeling lonely, read the book and you will feel…. FREE.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by romulus on Yesterday at 9:55am
^ I second the recommendation on “The Manipulated Man.” This book is a real eye-opener and you will gain insight into women like you have never before and truly see how hollow the majority of them are. Like everyone has said, make sure you take steps to protect yourself from her. I ran into a similar situation a few years ago, and the girl I broke up with in september showed up at my door on new year’s eve with a suitcase and a 40 page manifesto (which I didn’t read, just kept as evidence). Thankfully, the police got involved and things didn’t escalate beyond those events but women are EXTREMELY vengeful and they will lash out – my friend is a law clerk at a family law firm and in the vast majority of pending divorce cases, he told me that the women will purposely want every single legal motion, tactic, and strategy employed for the sole reason of aggravating their soon to be ex-husbands. Congrats and good luck.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by BL on Yesterday at 10:55am
“The Manipulated Man” by Esther Vilar”
The greatest book on skankdom I’ve ever read. She’s been getting death threats from fems ever since it was published. It’s all true and the truth is UGLY but once you understand and accept it you are FREE.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by David on Yesterday at 11:51am
Hi Jerry,
I’m glad you got out of that vile country called “Skankistan” … I was there myself and had a very similar experience to yours. The men on this board are correct … it will take a month or two for your emotions to settle down. I know the empty feeling you must have now in your gut … but when it is over in about three to six months (steadily declining), boy will you feel FREE and FREE!!! At that time, don’t get involved with another woman for at least a year or two – so you can reflect and let things come to you.
During this time, observe everything about women and see what you spared yourself. I’m 35 and I didn’t learn until I was 33 … yep, that’s when this girl killed my feelings. I was naive before 33, but not any more. I am fortunate that I NEVER MARRIED … God bless me.
All I can say is … Congratulations on getting out of SKANKISTAN and back home. You should become a member of this forum as I am about to.
And guys, I am a Jerry you saved also. My ex-girlfriend who I was thinking about marrying two years ago was a total shrew – who had another guy on the side. After I was feeling like crap, I came across this site and NoMarriage.com – and boy is my soul saved. There are many, very many of us out there who sites like this save on a frequent basis … I’m one of them and so is Jerry.
Thanks again guys. This site is like food to me. It keeps me in check on reality that I grasped so late in my life. Now I have no debt, will travel to the Philippines, South America and all over to experience real women – but no serious relationships for now (or maybe ever). and DEFINITELY NO MARRIAGE!!!
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by Much wiser aka Jerry on Yesterday at 7:21pm
The thing that will protect my a$$ from going down the drain is the stuff I learned from this forum on diseases. It’s left me completely dead inside. Not angry or upset or jealous or anything. I’m just f—— overjoyed and relieved that I have never been to bed with a woman in my life. I never will. My uncle, who is 35 and my father’s younger brother, talked to me yesterday about this whole mess. He’s an accountant, never been married, and never dates. Not gay, either. I think he may be a virgin, but he wont admit it. He doesn’t like women. He congratulated me on pulling my head out of the noose, and my entire family is real happy for me. Now that I’ve broken up, they are telling me to stay away from women, even my mom. I showed my mom some of the pictures of Hpv warts and I swear she almost turned green.
I don’t know how much of value I can add here, as you guys are the experts, and this was my only serious encounter with a woman, buy you can bet I’ll be reading here every day as long as this forum is up.
Also, where do you buy books like Manipulated Man? Online?
Thanks again guys. You are my heroes, every one of you.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by Slacker on Yesterday at 7:33pm
Jerry, you can buy the book “The Manipulated Man” from www.amazon.com for $10.37 + shipping. or from www.buy.com 9.33 + shipping
I prefer amazon.com mainly because I have had better service with them.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by grandcurmudgeon on Yesterday at 8:06pm
Yesterday at 7:21pm, Much wiser aka Jerry wrote:
The thing that will protect my a$$ from going down the drain is the stuff I learned from this forum on diseases. It’s left me completely dead inside. Not angry or upset or jealous or anything. I’m just f—— overjoyed and relieved that I have never been to bed with a woman in my life. I never will. My uncle, who is 35 and my father’s younger brother, talked to me yesterday about this whole mess. He’s an accountant, never been married, and never dates. Not gay, either. I think he may be a virgin, but he wont admit it. He doesn’t like women. He congratulated me on pulling my head out of the noose, and my entire family is real happy for me. Now that I’ve broken up, they are telling me to stay away from women, even my mom. I showed my mom some of the pictures of Hpv warts and I swear she almost turned green.I don’t know how much of value I can add here, as you guys are the experts, and this was my only serious encounter with a woman, buy you can bet I’ll be reading here every day as long as this forum is up.Thanks again guys. You are my heroes, every one of you.
Jerry
There is a lot for us older men to admire in you as well. At least you aren’t as pig-headed and arrogant as a lot of young men who think that us older guys spent all the years between their age and ours getting stupider. You listened to us when were trying to help you, and were willing to learn from our mistakes without having to make them yourself. That puts you head and shoulders above 99.999% of the men in my generation.
In my lifetime, I have seen a complete role reversal when it comes to sex. When I was hitting the age of the sex-drive crazies, men were the designated initiators and women were the designated gatekeepers. It was a division of labor which worked pretty well. It was men’s role to keep pushing so that relationships did keep happening, and it was women’s role to keep the brakes on so that they didn’t happen too soon.
All that got thrown out the window with the sexual revolution. It sounded like a great deal to us younger guys who were too hormone addled to read the fine print. But, another older man on another board put it the best I have seen it put yet – Any man who thinks that female sexual liberation means “more and better pussy for M-E-E-E-E-E is a slave to more than his dick.”
Once you get caught on the “work-earn-consume-spend, more of the same” treadmill, you are nothing but a slave – to your own desires and to purchasing your self-esteem by buying the approval of others. It is an addiction as hard to beat and deadly as addiction to crack cocaine, heroin, or cigarettes.
By pulling yourself out of the fe-matrix at such a young age, you will have a life of freedom and more choices than most young men your age enslaved to their dicks and pursuit of the dripping gash. You are in a position of ultimate power over your own life, because, if you choose to be in a relationship at any time in the future, it will be as a result of your own conscious and intelligent choice.
By being able to see women for what they are – flawed, and frequently selfish human beings – you can escape both the vagina halo and social pressure to hook up, and instead look for a woman who really does meet your needs. If you ever meet someone like that, you will again really want to meet hers. If you don’t, you will at least have had the satisfaction of having control over your own life – and that is a greater accomplishment than any but a few men out of every generation manage to accomplish.
Don’t allow anyone to pressure you into playing the role they want to hand you. Make your own decisions and your own choices. And, support other young men in doing that and teach them that skill – they desperately need it.
Go Your Own Way.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by BL on Yesterday at 9:47pm
“I don’t know how much of value I can add here, as you guys are the experts”
Well, I don’t feel that way at all, Jerry. Seeing you un-plug from the Skank nation gives me encouragement and has been very uplifting. You can be of enormous value by spreading the word to other men who may be ready to hear.
Keep on steppin bro.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by celibateforlife on Yesterday at 9:59pm
Jerry the best thing you can do here is register and spread the word about this site to your friends before they put their head in the noose. I just ordered “The Manipulated Man” from Barnes & Nobles. The publisher is going to be curious why there was a spike in sales this week.
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You are FREE to live YOUR life
Post by Truthslayer on Yesterday at 10:08pm
Jerry, we thank YOU, for reminding us of why we are here.
Sometimes, it seems the trolls are winning and the feminazis bombardment gets you pinned down. Then we see a guy like you, who is asking for help.
We don’t know what’ll happen, but we’ll try to save anyone we can.
You came to us, bruised, wounded and confused. We fixed you up, let you heal yourself and shared some tips on how to survive. The fact that you trusted us shows you have GREAT potential and WILL be successful.
Listen to the older gentlemen here. I have and trust me, the power you feel now that you are free from female control is only a taste of the power that was restrained trying to deal with a modern woman.
The day will seem better, problems will have some solution, but you are now FREE!!!
I’ll leave you with the words of Zenpriest:
However, as men, we can’t go back to being what we once were, whether that be feminist, enabler, or simply complicit ignorance. Not that we can’t physically go back to such: women are always willing to stomp on a man’s balls, and I’m sure that if we just didn’t give a shit, and wanted to be femme ass kissers again, there’s no end of exes, lesbians, and self hating hating men out there for whom we could reject our masculinity. After a brief period of ball kicking, we would once again be relegated to ‘useful idiot for the matriarchy’ status, and not have to worry about combating anything, regardless of how perilous our situation actually was. Mentally and spiritually: nuh uh. Something in our natures has changed, and realizing our masculinity, we realize that it is a good thing, and something worth having, despite the pitfalls and flack we catch for it. Despite it all, being a man and struggling on your feet is worth far more than being a feminist lapdog and living comfortably on you knees. Our eyes have been opened, our minds expanded, our worth validated.
You’ve heard the old saying “A mind expanded to new proportions never returns to it’s old ones.” Same goes here: once you know what it’s like to be free, if you truly know, then you won’t ever want to go back to being a footstool for feminists again. These men, who realize what they can be, have no desire to go back to being held under society’s collective tampon once more. Freed slaves don’t wish to become slaves again, ever.
I’ve come to realize that money and material possessions are not what’s important in life, nor is getting laid or getting female attention. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD (If you believe in HIM) LIVE YOUR LIFE FREE!!!!!!! It’s all about FREEDOM!!!!!!
Live free, be free, ride free.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by ramcharger on Yesterday at 10:23pm
Just wanted to say congrats Jerry, you dodged a bullet, and I’m proud of you. You’re my age, and guys like us don’t need women in our lives. We have our whole lives ahead of us, and I want to focus on ME, not some cunt.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by ztp on Yesterday at 11:41pm
“The Manipulated Man” is an excellent, excellent book. Written by a foreign woman who utterly dissects American women. It should be mandatory reading for every young American male.
After it went out of print a few years ago I toyed with the idea of transcribing the entire text and putting it on the web. Glad to see its back.
Guys:
- If you do not have this book purchase it now (even if you have to use your rent money). You will NOT be able to put it down once you start reading it.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by Enlightened aka Jerry on Today at 1:24am
You guys are great. I checked out Amazon and ordered or will order tomorrow the following, after reviewing hundreds of customer reviews;
These books I think are a must.
THE MOTHER- A SUBURBAN HORROR STORY
Plus, there are a dozen or more I am reviewing and will get back to you. ALL, I repeat ALL of the above seem to be essential and I will down them as soon as they arrive. Especially the Mother book. If you guys only knew what beast you let loose in me. You have transformed my life, and I will now go on a campaign that would make Alexander the Great look puny.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by ztp on Today at 10:28am
Yeah Baby! Give ‘em hell and FOCUS 24/7 on your own success! You will
start to feel better than you can ever imagine.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by David on Today at 12:17pm
That what I love to hear Jerry … no more Fe-matrix … we took the red pill and came out of the Fematriarchical Skank nation of Skankistan …
Yeah boy … love it.
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Re: A question for the older men
Post by BL on Today at 12:30pm
Also, remember that The Manipulated Man was written in I think the 70’s. Boy, if she was that pissed off then imagine what she would have written if the book was done today!
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