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Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by Top 2 or 3 countries for FW on Jan 11, 2006, 4:11pm

We hear all of this talk about getting a foreign wife from the East, Latin America, Russia, etc. So, if you are seriously planning…WHAT IS THE TOP 2 or 3 COUNTRIES? We should do research to determine this analyzing many variables including: culture (masculine v. feminist), language, education systems, family values, stability of country (in case you want to go ex-pat all together and actually this there near her family), and just overall quality of the woman (good health systems), etc.

Also, if anyone has any idea about the best way to line this up. Through a service, just going over and where to go, etc. (EX. school in Mexico that trains women on how to be good mothers/wives).

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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by TyHigs on Jan 11, 2006, 4:33pm

well first deciding what race of woman you want would narrow it down greatly. Heh. Unless that part doesnt matter to you. The European men (from the west) say Euro women from the east are just as shitty as western ones.

Of course there are Japanese men going somewhere else to marry other Asians also.

I still like western european. They know what feminism is, but the lies/myths they have are no where near as horrible as the ones here (1 in 4 women raped, 76cents on the dollar, etc). And how much would you expect a western woman to change by bringing her here? The exceptions being Scandinavian women who are to be avoided for LTR.
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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by JimP on Jan 11, 2006, 4:37pm

I think that the main factor would have to be your language skills. For all I know, Mexican women might be awesome, and those from Brazil might be even better, but I don’t speak Spanish or Portuguese, so I would go to Eastern Europe where I speak the language. If you don’t know anything other than English, I would say Spanish is the easiest to learn, which therefore narrows down your choices to Mexico and South America, plus it’s the same time zone, and easy to get to.

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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by TyHigs on Jan 11, 2006, 4:42pm

JimP, do you think there’s any truth to the saying (if you’ve heard it) that Russian women are golddiggers (once they get here)?
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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by JimP on Jan 11, 2006, 6:09pm

Jan 11, 2006, 4:42pm, TyHigs wrote:JimP, do you think there’s any truth to the saying (if you’ve heard it) that Russian women are golddiggers (once they get here)?

Well, it’s basically the “I wouldn’t want to belong to a club that would have me as a member” situation.

The women that are actively looking for an American husband, those that speak English, those that you see on the U.S. marketed PAY dating sites, are the ones most likely to be golddiggers (actualy, more like green-card diggers).

On the other hand, if you go there yourself and meet women, or use a dating site for Russians (here’s one example: http://love.mail.ru/, it’s FREE for everyone, but it’s in Russian though), most of the decent women you meet won’t want to move to the U.S. and are unlikely to speak English (though this is slowly changing).

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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by King Karan on Jan 11, 2006, 6:46pm

Go to a country and meet people there – this is the best way!

My picks:

1. Slovakia

2. Czech Republic

3. Macedonia, Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia

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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by Richie Rich on Jan 11, 2006, 6:51pm

….Damn sure NOT CUBA!!!

Beautiful women in abundance but the lax culture of sex and a miserable economic system makes it VERY easy to find women who have been married more than twice or even three times. If that is not bad you WILL see world class looking women selling puss on most major tourist areas for a source of income. Add Costa Rica to that list also!!!

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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by TyHigs on Jan 11, 2006, 7:10pm

Jan 11, 2006, 6:09pm, JimP wrote:
Jan 11, 2006, 4:42pm, TyHigs wrote:JimP, do you think there’s any truth to the saying (if you’ve heard it) that Russian women are golddiggers (once they get here)?

Well, it’s basically the “I wouldn’t want to belong to a club that would have me as a member” situation.

The women that are actively looking for an American husband, those that speak English, those that you see on the U.S. marketed PAY dating sites, are the ones most likely to be golddiggers (actualy, more like green-card diggers).

On the other hand, if you go there yourself and meet women, or use a dating site for Russians (here’s one example: http://love.mail.ru/, it’s FREE for everyone, but it’s in Russian though), most of the decent women you meet won’t want to move to the U.S. and are unlikely to speak English (though this is slowly changing).

JimP, I wont be able to join that site. I dont speak Russian, and I bet those girls have terrible English.

I am having major problems on this Romanian site I frequent. Take a look at some of the best English I can get out of these women: “tanche for yor message….Idont nau spick inglish but i like talk you bai bai. “

Also many of the prettiest women list themselves as “lesbiana.” I talked to one girl and she said it is not a fad. She’s never had an interest in men. That has me thinking, is there a serious lack of men over there that 20% of the HOT women resort to homosexuality (without media influence like here)? (Also assuming their pictures are real, some are of girls like “Kate’s playground hoof foot girl”.)
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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by mamonaku on Jan 11, 2006, 9:06pm

I can tell you where not to go!

I would say avoid Korea and Japan.

The Korean divorce rate is extremely high. A good Korean woman that you really click with, is extremely hard to find.

Please see:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3011119.stm

As for Japan, tread carefully. Japanese women are fully on top of their game. They are notorious Attention Whores, and it’s nothing for them to have multiple boyfriends at once. Not to mention that with their tradition of Tatemae (Outside thinking) and Honne (True feelings), you will most likely not be able to perceive your girl’s true intentions until you are in a very compromising position.

Good luck!!

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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by JimP on Jan 11, 2006, 9:17pm

Jan 11, 2006, 7:10pm, TyHigs wrote:
Jan 11, 2006, 6:09pm, JimP wrote:

Well, it’s basically the “I wouldn’t want to belong to a club that would have me as a member” situation.

The women that are actively looking for an American husband, those that speak English, those that you see on the U.S. marketed PAY dating sites, are the ones most likely to be golddiggers (actualy, more like green-card diggers).

On the other hand, if you go there yourself and meet women, or use a dating site for Russians (here’s one example: http://love.mail.ru/, it’s FREE for everyone, but it’s in Russian though), most of the decent women you meet won’t want to move to the U.S. and are unlikely to speak English (though this is slowly changing).

JimP, I wont be able to join that site. I dont speak Russian, and I bet those girls have terrible English.

I am having major problems on this Romanian site I frequent. Take a look at some of the best English I can get out of these women: “tanche for yor message….Idont nau spick inglish but i like talk you bai bai. “

Also many of the prettiest women list themselves as “lesbiana.” I talked to one girl and she said it is not a fad. She’s never had an interest in men. That has me thinking, is there a serious lack of men over there that 20% of the HOT women resort to homosexuality (without media influence like here)? (Also assuming their pictures are real, some are of girls like “Kate’s playground hoof foot girl”.)

I don’t know anything about Romania, but in the ex-Soviet Union proper countries (i.e. Moldova, Ukraine, Belarus, Russia, etc.) very few women are lesbians, or even bi. By the way, you should at least learn rudimenary Russian, this link actually has Russian women living in the U.S. from that dating site I sent you:

http://love.mail.ru/top/top.phtml?rating_id=11574&country_id=5681

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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by TyHigs on Jan 11, 2006, 9:36pm

OH
MY
GOD

Those can not be real women.

AHHHH!!!!!!

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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by JimP on Jan 11, 2006, 9:41pm

Jan 11, 2006, 9:36pm, TyHigs wrote:OH
MY
GOD

Those can not be real women.

AHHHH!!!!!!

What do you mean? They’re average looking Russian girls. It’s just that I’ve been saying it all along, American women are fat and ugly, on top of being bitches.

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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by openeyes on Jan 11, 2006, 9:47pm

Jan 11, 2006, 9:36pm, TyHigs wrote:OH
MY
GOD

Those can not be real women.

AHHHH!!!!!!

Well, going by the top of the page, “ton-100″, it would seem those are the top 100 from a site with over 2 million people.
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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by JimP on Jan 11, 2006, 9:54pm

Jan 11, 2006, 9:47pm, openeyes wrote:
Jan 11, 2006, 9:36pm, TyHigs wrote:OH
MY
GOD

Those can not be real women.

AHHHH!!!!!!

Well, going by the top of the page, “ton-100″, it would seem those are the top 100 from a site with over 2 million people.

OK, first of all, these are the ones voted best in the U.S. and there are only 3800 members living in America. Secondly, this is a list of all the girls from that site that live in the U.S.

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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by TyHigs on Jan 12, 2006, 2:07am

Link
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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by Niall NLIT on Jan 12, 2006, 6:10am

Depends on what type floats your boat. For me Thai all the way. Forget the dating sites just get a plane ticket and GO!
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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by married2aFilipina on Jan 12, 2006, 9:57am

Philippines is an awesome plance to find a great woman. just do your research first
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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by rule62 on Jan 12, 2006, 12:07pm

I personally appreciate eastern and western European (exclude the UK and Scandinavian) women. And I have travelled Asia extensively. I understand the attraction to Asian women, believe me. But now that I am living in Europe, that is my focus for obvious reasons.

I agree with TyHiggs, I do not think western Europeans are as bad as AW. That is anecdotal evidence based on personal experience – primarily Bavaria.

I also enjoy the Czech Republic.

I will mention in my experience (again no data, just my experience) the women I have met from western Europe, Ukraine, Czech Republic, and Russia are not looking for a green card. They really are not. In fact, I know three Americans married to Czech women, and their wives absolutely refused to leave the Czech Republic and said so early on. All three men now live in the Czech Republic (and have learned the language to an extent).

I think we Americans are under a huge illusion that somehow everyone is just dieing to move to a tract home in American suburbia. I do not think that is the case gentlemen. I personally think we overstate that.

My experience is they like American men, but I have not met one, not one, that just can’t wait to leave their homeland. Just isn’t there. I think we worry to much about it. JimP may have other experiences.
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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by razor on Jan 12, 2006, 12:18pm

Damn, I went to that Russian site, and looked at well over 20 pages. About 90% of those girls are hot as hell; even the 40+ women! What the hell happened to ours?
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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by rule62 on Jan 12, 2006, 12:40pm

razor, it gets even better. When you are with them you actually like them and their personalities. It is eye opening. I swear, AWs are like a different species at this point. We have men, women and AWs.
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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by razor on Jan 12, 2006, 1:09pm

Ah, so THAT’S the look of women who don’t have massive chips on their shoulders. It feels funny looking at them.

AWs sure are a horrible breed. It’s akin to the creation of killer bees.

P.S. I’ve seen over 400 girls. Same ratio. Although I can especially see “damaged goods” on a lot of them, it’s very fascinating.
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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by JimP on Jan 12, 2006, 6:28pm

Jan 12, 2006, 12:07pm, rule62 wrote:I personally appreciate eastern and western European (exclude the UK and Scandinavian) women. And I have travelled Asia extensively. I understand the attraction to Asian women, believe me. But now that I am living in Europe, that is my focus for obvious reasons.

I agree with TyHiggs, I do not think western Europeans are as bad as AW. That is anecdotal evidence based on personal experience – primarily Bavaria.

I also enjoy the Czech Republic.

I will mention in my experience (again no data, just my experience) the women I have met from western Europe, Ukraine, Czech Republic, and Russia are not looking for a green card. They really are not. In fact, I know three Americans married to Czech women, and their wives absolutely refused to leave the Czech Republic and said so early on. All three men now live in the Czech Republic (and have learned the language to an extent).

I think we Americans are under a huge illusion that somehow everyone is just dieing to move to a tract home in American suburbia. I do not think that is the case gentlemen. I personally think we overstate that.

My experience is they like American men, but I have not met one, not one, that just can’t wait to leave their homeland. Just isn’t there. I think we worry to much about it. JimP may have other experiences.

I’ve heard girls married to foreigners asking their Ukrainian ex-boyfriends to come and screw them. I’ve heard girls planning on divorcing upon getting a green-card while they were still in Russia. Then again, I know people that are happily married for many years.

Again, it all depends on how you meet. If you meet a woman in Moscow yourself, the chances of her being a “green-card” digger are probably 5%. If you pick a woman off a dating site especially made for American men in English, the chances are probably closer to 50%.

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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by VirginiaBob on Jan 12, 2006, 6:42pm

My wife is from the Philippines and I am happy as can be. All her family ends their conversations with her by saying, “Always submit to your husband”. Don’t think though that my success equates to “all filipina’s are good wives”. You have to do some research and really make the effort to find the right one. Spending lots of time with her family and friends helps out a lot in determining her true character. Does she cry in church during prayer? Is your photo plastered all over her walls? Questions like these are the ones that you need to find answers to.
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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by logic101 on Jan 12, 2006, 8:52pm

Jan 12, 2006, 6:42pm, VirginiaBob wrote:My wife is from the Philippines and I am happy as can be. All her family ends thier conversations with her by saying, “Always submit to your husband”. Don’t think though that my success equates to “all filipina’s are good wives”. You have to do some research and really make the effort to find the right one. Spending lots of time with her family and friends helps out a lot in determining her true character. Does she cry in church during prayer? Is your photo plastered all over her walls? Questions like these are the ones that you need to find answers to.

Nice job VirginiaBob. Sounds like you have a great wife/family!

-Logic 101
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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by openeyes on Jan 12, 2006, 9:13pm

Jan 12, 2006, 6:42pm, VirginiaBob wrote:Does she cry in church during prayer? Is your photo plastered all over her walls? Questions like these are the ones that you need to find answers to.

With those questions in mind, is crying during prayer a good thing? It seemed unclear in your description. The main woman I know who does so is rather unstable. And someone with your pic plastered everywhere could be a stalker.

That said, I agree with spending lots of time around her and her family. One woman brought me home to be around her family for a few hours, and they proved so interesting that I saw her in a much more positive light afterward.
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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by TyHigs on Jan 12, 2006, 11:58pm

Jan 11, 2006, 6:46pm, King Karan wrote:Go to a country and meet people there – this is the best way!

My picks:

1. Slovakia

2. Czech Republic

3. Macedonia, Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia

I have met people from former yugo here. I’ve never met anyone from either czech or slovakia here. That might be hard if she doesnt have her own community.
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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by VirginiaBob on Jan 13, 2006, 12:19am

if you are not a person of faith, you probably don’t understand that one. If not, ignore that question.

Jan 12, 2006, 9:13pm, openeyes wrote:
Jan 12, 2006, 6:42pm, VirginiaBob wrote:Does she cry in church during prayer? Is your photo plastered all over her walls? Questions like these are the ones that you need to find answers to.

With those questions in mind, is crying during prayer a good thing? It seemed unclear in your description. The main woman I know who does so is rather unstable. And someone with your pic plastered everywhere could be a stalker.

That said, I agree with spending lots of time around her and her family. One woman brought me home to be around her family for a few hours, and they proved so interesting that I saw her in a much more positive light afterward.

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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by razor on Jan 13, 2006, 5:24am

I am a man of faith, and I STILL don’t know if you were trying to say if that was good or bad.
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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by Evergreen on Jan 13, 2006, 9:43am

Wow, those Russian women are sure sexy on that site. Of course, its best to meet them in person than a dating site as someone says, just buy a plane ticket and go. I’ll do that on my next vacation.

Btw, anyone been to the Eastern part of Russia and the women are like there? I might head there for travel as well.
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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by 40smithandwesson on Jan 13, 2006, 10:13am

I married a Colombian and have no regrets. If you like Latin women Colombians are: very pretty, take very good care of them selves she is always weight and health conscious. fixes great food I can’t live without her awesome meals, very faithful and religious I think these two things go hand in hand. She works very hard at home and her job, money and status is of very little importance. The stereo type of a passionate Latin woman is very true, they are great lovers. Only downside is they can be passionate fighters, but for me it seems to work very well when we argue she never stays mad long, she gets her frustrations out then its over, no stewing and festering for a week about stupid things. One other downside is Latin American can be dangerous to visit.
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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by Richie Rich on Jan 13, 2006, 11:05am

“One other downside is Latin American can be dangerous to visit. “

….Ah, the irony of life. America is far safer to travel yet the women are among the most dangerous in the world to get involved with. Either way nothing good in life comes easy, I will take my chances in Colombia or Venezuela than tormenting myself with wretched AW!!!
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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by Real Deal on Jan 13, 2006, 11:26am

Yeah I agree. One of my good friends is from eastern Russia and he met a wonderful Russian woman on a Russian language internet site. I believe the best way is to learn the language if possible and make trips overseas to meet the right lady. It takes time and effort but its worth it. To hell with American skanks they are the worst most fucked up women in history. Foolish men in this country have let them run hog wild and become insane.
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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by VirginiaBob on Jan 13, 2006, 2:09pm

Jan 13, 2006, 5:24am, razor wrote:I am a man of faith, and I STILL don’t know if you were trying to say if that was good or bad.

Most foreign (Filipina protestant anyway) women that I’ve met that are truly honest about their faith (you can tell they don’t just practice on Sunday) tear up during church. If you haven’t been there under that situation, you really won’t understand. Sorry for the confusion.
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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by MohammedProphet on Feb 7, 2006, 10:17pm

LATVIA
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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by Thors alterego on Feb 8, 2006, 6:24am

As someone who goes to Ukraine often, I can heartily concur that learning the language makes a huge difference. If I spoke Russian well, I would have a life like Hugh Hefner. I already could if I wanted to and my Russian is not that great yet. I vote for Ukraine over any of the other locations. It is safer than and easier to travel to than Russia- no visa for instance and more western oriented but not as far as women are concerned. Russia teeters on being a dictatorship whereas Ukraine is an imperfect democracy. Ukrainian women are also considered the more attractive, even in Russia, if that is possible since Russian women are serious babes too. I think people obsess too much about being scammed as well. You need money to go abroad for a wife, plain and simple. Trips alone average about $3000 each or more. If you’re a 55 year old dork and dating 21 year old models, you may have a problem. If you’re smooth and 55, you won’t. Bottom line, is don’t give any money to a woman there you can’t easily afford and forget about spending. Agencies affiliated with the Angelika Network are all decent and honest about what they offer. You pay to meet a woman and that is a reasonable amount of money- $35 for a hot woman and less for women that don’t get a lot of attention. These are often still very attractive women too. Once you meet, you are free of the agency and don’t need to use their services or anything else from them if you don’t want. Meet women on the street too. Model quality women there are everywhere! It is a man’s paradise, plain and simple. I have met about 40 women for dates in my time in Ukraine and every one of them was honest and reasonable. Many women go to agencies as a goof, as the vast majority never even get a call to meet a man. Its only about 5% that get called, about the same percentage as that of men who actually make the trip over. I’ll never go back to AW or even European Women again. One caveat is that you should dress well and be polished. That makes a huge difference in how they perceive you, as it is cultural for them to dress well if they come from a good background and consider you to be dressed like a peasant from the village if you only want to wear jeans and a T-shirt, even if you make 6 figures or more. They will always look their best for you, so you should reciprocate. They are also very well educated and sophisticated culturally. I have not met a single gum chewing bimbo in my time there.
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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by Niall NLITBSGB on Feb 8, 2006, 8:29am

Thailand but you have to live there as Thais are never really happy anywhere other than Thailand. As its a paradise anyway this is not a hardship.

NLITBSGB. Translation. No Longer In Thailand But Soon Going Back. 20th February to be precise.
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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by hari on Feb 8, 2006, 9:27am

I think Indian girls are really good. But please select the family types. If you want to marry an indian girl please marry the ones in strong families. Here most of the women are virgins before marriage.

I can give you an example of an Indian woman’s devotion.

I have a friend who is a struggling singer in the Bombay film industry. He is always short of money. He runs around music producers house everyday, sings in clubs, does live shows. They live in a small house which is very bad by AMERICAN STANDARDS. This guy is not handsome, no money, bad house but still the woman is by his side. She always encourages him.

Now the guys mother has cancer (last stage). She is literally in deathbed. What does the girl do? She leaves her job and is serving the mother full time. She dint even think once about her career. So now the husband is happy that at least his mother is being taken care off. He can concentrate on his career more now.

She takes care of his mother, cooks food, takes care of children and she never even asks anything in return. So when the guy bought her a dress she told him not to spend money on her and use the money for a useful purpose. My friend was in tears.

Now today my friend has already recorded his first song. He comes on TV regularly now. He tells that without his wife nothing would have been possible.

I think this is what true love is, only serving expecting nothing in return. This is a true woman. She is the richest woman in the world. Such a woman is automatically beautiful. She dosen’t need botox , implants because her goodness is more than enough. Her goodness radiates her beauty.

This is the woman i look for. There are many girls like this in India. They are not visible in general public because they are strictly controlled by their families.

So guys come to India have a look around. I am sure you can find good girls.

Thanks
Hari from Bombay
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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by moelarrycheese on Feb 8, 2006, 4:16pm

1. Peru. That is where my excellent wife is from
2. Colombia. The women there are rumored to be even-tempered, family oriented, and traditional.
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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by openeyes on Feb 8, 2006, 4:30pm

Feb 8, 2006, 9:27am, hari wrote:I think Indian girls are really good. But please select the family types. If you want to marry an indian girl please marry the ones in strong families. Here most of the women are virgins before marriage.

Ah, but how many Indian women from strong families are going to marry a man who isn’t also from India? With the women here at my college, they socialize almost exclusively with other Indians/hindus.
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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by jackbauer on Feb 9, 2006, 2:52am

“Again, it all depends on how you meet. If you meet a woman in Moscow yourself, the chances of her being a “green-card” digger are probably 5%. If you pick a woman off a dating site especially made for American men in English, the chances are probably closer to 50%.”

jimp,

You obviously know lots about Russia & Russian women — so you’re the guy to ask…

Would you say all Russian women want kids?

I seriously looked into the Russian bride thing at one time. Read tons of material from and perused the different agencies.

Even bought what seemed to be a pretty good Ebook from a woman who came over to the USA as a Russian bride & now has her own agency (www.womenrussia.com). This woman states in her Ebook that of the 1000’s of people she’s helped to get together that only 3 didn’t want kids — and those 3 were because of medical reasons where they couldn’t.

So Russian women sound great in every aspect. But since I do not want kids, this doesn’t look like a feasible option for me.

Other people were talking about dating from eastern Russia.

I worked with a man from Novosibirsk (largest city in Siberia — often considered the gateway to Siberia actually). One slow day at work we pulled up some Russian dating sites & were drooling over the women. This guy seeing one gal from Moscow pipes up immediately “Don’t date any women from Moscow. They’re all bitches!!”

I was taken back a little — but I didn’t know what he really meant & I left it at that.

After this, I read on several other Russian-oriented sites just exactly what this guy said. Apparently since Moscow is such a large city, a lot of the women have big-city attitudes (this applies to St. Petersburg too).

It’s comparable to a woman from a small midwestern town vs. one from New York City. Who’s much more likely to be the bitch?

So for those looking for Russian brides, my opinion is to keep away from Moscow or St. Petersburg women. Go for smaller cities — lots of them. This is what I would do if I were still seriously considering this option. Or concentrate on Ukraine like the other guy suggested. Except I’d be somewhat wary of Kiev for the aforementioned reason….

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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by JimP on Feb 9, 2006, 8:18am

Feb 9, 2006, 2:52am, jackbauer wrote:”Again, it all depends on how you meet. If you meet a woman in Moscow yourself, the chances of her being a “green-card” digger are probably 5%. If you pick a woman off a dating site especially made for American men in English, the chances are probably closer to 50%.”

jimp,

You obviously know lots about Russia & Russian women — so you’re the guy to ask…

Would you say all Russian women want kids?

I seriously looked into the Russian bride thing at one time. Read tons of material from and perused the different agencies.

Even bought what seemed to be a pretty good Ebook from a woman who came over to the USA as a Russian bride & now has her own agency (www.womenrussia.com). This woman states in her Ebook that of the 1000’s of people she’s helped to get together that only 3 didn’t want kids — and those 3 were because of medical reasons where they couldn’t.

So Russian women sound great in every aspect. But since I do not want kids, this doesn’t look like a feasible option for me.

Other people were talking about dating from eastern Russia.

I worked with a man from Novosibirsk (largest city in Siberia — often considered the gateway to Siberia actually). One slow day at work we pulled up some Russian dating sites & were drooling over the women. This guy seeing one gal from Moscow pipes up immediately “Don’t date any women from Moscow. They’re all bitches!!”

I was taken back a little — but I didn’t know what he really meant & I left it at that.

After this, I read on several other Russian-oriented sites just exactly what this guy said. Apparently since Moscow is such a large city, a lot of the women have big-city attitudes (this applies to St. Petersburg too).

It’s comparable to a woman from a small midwestern town vs. one from New York City. Who’s much more likely to be the bitch?

So for those looking for Russian brides, my opinion is to keep away from Moscow or St. Petersburg women. Go for smaller cities — lots of them. This is what I would do if I were still seriously considering this option. Or concentrate on Ukraine like the other guy suggested. Except I’d be somewhat wary of Kiev for the aforementioned reason….

I think what you’ll find is that Russian women are really not that different from what American women were like about 100 years ago. Are there some that don’t want kids? Sure. But it will be a very small percentage of the population. Are women who live in small cities different from women that live in large cities? Absolutely.
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Post by PassingBy on Feb 9, 2006, 9:24am

What about racism? Do foreign brides seem to not like Black people as much as they would a White person?

And by Black person, I mean respectably Black, someone who is disciplined and dresses like they should, not with any of this “hanging down pants” crud that passes for Black these days.
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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by JimP on Feb 9, 2006, 9:34am

Feb 9, 2006, 9:24am, PassingBy wrote:What about racism? Do foreign brides seem to not like Black people as much as they would a White person?

And by Black person, I mean respectably Black, someone who is disciplined and dresses like they should, not with any of this “hanging down pants” crud that passes for Black these days.

What you’ll find is that some will like blacks, and some won’t but they’ll be honest about it, don’t expect any kind of political correctness in this respect. If this was 1985, I’d say go for it, but today, I would probably not recommend Russia/Ukraine if you’re black, they’re turned very racist recently because of all the shit that the local dark-skinned Moslems did in those countries.

(Chechnians kidnapping people and cutting off their fingers until they receive ransom; keeping Russians chained in their basemants as slaves, the Beslan school massacre, the list goes on and on…)

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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by PassingBy on Feb 9, 2006, 10:40am

I would probably not recommend Russia/Ukraine if you’re black,

Thanks for the explanation.

So what countries would you recommend? I’ve heard that Asia has some racism problems as well….
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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by openeyes on Feb 9, 2006, 2:03pm

Feb 9, 2006, 10:40am, PassingBy wrote:I would probably not reccomend Russia/Ukraine if you’re black,

Thanks for the explanation.

So what countries would you recommend? I’ve heard that Asia has some racism problems as well….

Have you considered any women currently in or recently from various African nations? The general message I get is that, while people are apt to paint westerners as racist, people with dark skin can experience much more racism outside the west.
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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by 40smithandwesson on Feb 9, 2006, 3:02pm

Feb 9, 2006, 9:24am, PassingBy wrote:What about racism? Do foreign brides seem to not like Black people as much as they would a White person?

And by Black person, I mean respectably Black, someone who is disciplined and dresses like they should, not with any of this “hanging down pants” crud that passes for Black these days.

My Colombian wife is not racist, the only thing she doesn’t like is poor manners, gangster type etc. If I were a black man give I would give it a shot. There is prejudices in Colombia but its more based on class then race. There are a lot of mixed people in Latin American that are all kinds of races, white, black and Indian all mixed. I’ve never been around a Afro-Colombian communities but the black people I saw looked liked different then the black people in the USA. They look more Latino with black skin rather then then the black women in the USA who look African American.
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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by RPCV on Feb 9, 2006, 6:11pm

Feb 9, 2006, 9:24am, PassingBy wrote:What about racism? Do foreign brides seem to not like Black people as much as they would a White person?

And by Black person, I mean respectably Black, someone who is disciplined and dresses like they should, not with any of this “hanging down pants” crud that passes for Black these days.

GO TO COLOMBIA!!!!! I’ve been to Medellin Colombia several times and never had any problems there. (I’m Black) The women in Colombia are every shade; some very light and some dark too. But they do not have the AW attitudes. And once u go, you will not want to return back to the USA.
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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by JimP on Feb 9, 2006, 7:24pm

Feb 9, 2006, 10:40am, PassingBy wrote:I would probably not reccomend Russia/Ukraine if you’re black,

Thanks for the explanation.

So what countries would you recommend? I’ve heard that Asia has some racism problems as well….

I would say either South America, Phillipines, or Africa, but I’m really not the right person to ask.
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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by Thors alterego on Feb 10, 2006, 5:00am

I think if you’re Black and want to meet nice women and avoid racism, then South America is usually a very good option. Spanish speaking nations generally do not have any strong racial prejudices. Brazil, Columbia, Argentina, all come to mind. I once worked with a Black guy who had married a really nice looking woman from Angola. He said he could have married a hundred women of her caliber too. Angolans are part Portuguese and look a lot like Brazilians. I think African women in general are pretty nice, at least those I have met here in Europe. They are very traditional and are eager to meet a good, solid gentleman of color from the US.
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Re: Best Country/s for foreign wife
Post by Thors Alterego on Feb 10, 2006, 5:18am

Kiev is more uppity than a provincial Ukrainian city, but Moscow and St. Petersburg are more arrogant than Kiev. Russians like to look down on Ukrainians as dumb provincials, the way New Yorkers view Ohio or Kentucky.

The guy who rents my flat hates Russians from Moscow and charges them extra when they rent apartments from him. The Moscow mentality is like NYC, only more arrogant, as the gap between haves and have nots is much greater than in the West.

Kiev women are more stuck up than women from a small town, but they’re still not bad. I first went to Sumy, then Poltava. Both are cities of about 200,000. Kiev is 3+ million people and the cultural center of Ukraine. Sumy, which is in the eastern part of Ukraine, about 30 miles from the Russian border, is reputed to have the prettiest women in Ukraine. I thought it was at least an arguable point.

There are 5 universities there, so there are tons of women to meet. Moreover, Kiev women are used to seeing and meeting foreigners, whereas they are still a rare site in a provincial city. All of these places are fairly modern and western too, BTW.

Ukrainians in general are not as arrogant or aggressive as Russians. This carries over to their women too. Its like the difference between Canada and the US, with Ukraine being Canada. Russians think like we do, with an imperial mentality and see Ukraine as their territorial possession. Culturally, they are so closely related and intertwined that it is difficult for a foreigner to distinguish them.

Provincial cities are also much cheaper to visit. Going out and getting a room costs about 50% of what it costs in Kiev. Dinner for two in Kiev runs about $20 per person, but you’ll both go out to a nice place for that in Sumy or Poltava. I can also recommend Odessa or the Crimea as destinations. Ukrainian food is awesome too BTW.
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  1. I was thinking about the dilemma that I hear expressed at this forum and it has occurred to me that just possibly it may be hard to find the right type of spouse because individual’s priorities rule their lives. For example, a female who puts a lot of effort into looking attractive, is likely not going to have much interest or time to look after the house or the children. A female who works long hours, say like at a law firm, again will have little energy, time and interest in looking after other things. Each person has only 24 hours in a day and they show how they want to spend it. They show you their values. It is best to accept their priorities as they are, since people tend to stay themselves. Good relationships happen when priorities and values match.

    Anonymous

    November 2, 2013 at 6:49 pm

  2. Western men chose Filipino wife because women in this country speak English well. I think the unique feature that most Western men love about Filipino girls is the good smell and new fresh body every day. Most of Filipina ladies pay attention to the way they dress and wear every night. No wondering when they are selected from men in the West.

    Filipino

    November 21, 2013 at 2:59 pm

  3. POLAND!!! the best girls are in Poland!

    Anonymous

    December 28, 2013 at 3:15 am

  4. I like your post. Good choice. Filipino women are the most stunning women on this planet. There are no ugly Filipino women, you know? I mean, Filipino women are thin and small. OK, some Western guys complain about too skinny Filipino ladies but they are beautiful. What else do you need from a girl?

    Jenny Lam

    January 11, 2014 at 10:50 am

  5. I have spent a long time reading comments here, I am impressed by the fact that everybody has their own opinion as it should be, ” what suits one doesn’t suit another ” at the moment it sounds like Ukraine women could be up there, but I have been thinking about China, has anybody any experience/thoughts first hand second or even rumours .

    Grundy Golem

    February 2, 2014 at 7:30 pm

    • I’ll do this in order, despite the fact that it sounds like bravado but isn’t. I’ve dated Jewish, Greek, Scottish, English, Irish, Protestant, American and spanish though they weren’t mostly in their own countries at the time so environment may have changed their attitudes towards men.

      Jewish – Bitchy, great cooks(at least she was), nationalistic and proud but not overly intelligent and had an air of ‘military’ about her or rather a sort of ‘get it done’ attitude that you see in most military or police types. Tends to Rule with an iron rod though I think she was more concerned with me being successful than most women i’ve dated in the UK which was actually nice, despite the implicit greed.

      Greek – Beautiful, lythe but wouldn’t trust her as far as I could throw her. Definitely more effeminate than most women i’ve met – so not concerned with being butch or beating me at everything but I wouldn’t look for a life long commitment. Intelligent for sure and also elegant but trustworth? – not sure on that one, I’d have to say 70/30 against.

      Scottish – Very traditional, as typical as a British/Scottish/Welsh girl can get but dependable. ‘Fiery’ and not afraid to show anger. Sex was regular but not (as is typical of most british women) what I’d call enthusiastic, nor was the jewish for that matter.

      English – I totally love an english accent on a girl, its SO fucking sexy, much like the greek girl I dated but smarter. I just couldn’t see her being the mother of my kids though, it was like dating Lara Croft – she wanted it all as long as someone else did the heavy lifting.

      Irish – God the eyes, the blonde hair, but again this fervent nationality that pretty much said ‘you’ll live how I want you to’. Sexy and much more enthusiastic in bed than most women i’ve met but also probably would have trusted her the least(with the exception of the spanish)

      Protestant – Boadicea, Protestant girls, when they’re pretty can bely the fact that most of them would rather have balls, but give her a cause to come out and fight for and she’s away like a gorilla in a banana factory – unfortunately that cause usually isn’t a man.

      American – Fickle, in a word – I saw the words ‘divorce’ or ‘breakup’ before we’d finished our first date. Intriguing but It was like I was doing an interview for a job which totally turned me off. So I dropped in some stuff about running my own business and all of a sudden she’s up again, smiles and hands, almost made me puke but I’m a guy so….

      Spanish – HOT, totally uninhibited about sex which was really refreshing, trust wasn’t an issue because this was only a 1 week thing when I was in Spain on business but still it was really nice to get close to someone and be affectionate, sexual and have lots of fun without all the usual posturing. I liked the honesty but I doubt it would have lasted in reality, got the definite feeling things would suddenly end if it was serious and she’d be hunching her shoulders going ‘so what’.

      Apologies if that all sounds conceited but its my ‘5 cents’ and I do allow for personal differences of course. Rant over.

      John D

      February 4, 2014 at 9:50 am

  6. There are a lot of serious christians woman, if your are interesting write me ladylaura2021@hotmail.com. Caracas – Venezuela

    Laura Smith

    February 20, 2014 at 7:09 pm

    • I find it hilarious when someone says that. Nearly ALL of the women on dating sites i’ve seen are “Christian”. As if somehow placing yourself under the yolk of a religious institution will make the law dissapear. Thanks but I don’t have trouble finding women – I just don’t want to marry one and knowing that is such a huge relief.

      John D

      February 21, 2014 at 3:17 am

    • you are exactly what guys should avoid!

      Betty Boop

      June 8, 2014 at 8:58 am

  7. I don’t know about statistics, but my wife is Indonesia. I lived over there and dated her. I didn’t go through a matchmaker, agency, or the Internet. In Indonesia, I was suddenly considered a lot more attractive. Either that, or the girls drop hints or have more difficulty hiding their feelings. Still, I was selective looking for the right woman for me.

    It’s foolish to think that if a country has good marriage values and a low divorce rate, any random beautiful woman you see on the Internet or meet at some kind of matchmaker function will be a low risk for divorce and a good wife. Countries with low divorce rates have gold diggers, prostitutes, etc. You may find a decent woman looking for love on the Internet or at some sort of event trying to match women up with men.

    I don’t quite get the Russian bride thing. Of course, there are many beautiful Russian women. But Russia as a place for family values? I grew up toward the end of the cold war, and I heard stories of Russians using kids to spy on their parents and report them to the government, and all kinds of anti-family rhetoric about Russians. The idea of a culture that was so influenced by atheism having a strong anti-divorce ethic seems strange to me. Still, I wouldn’t say you couldn’t get a good Russian bride. Russian apparently has a kind of macho culture, and there may be some positive things about marrying a woman from a macho culture. That may teach women to be more feminism and submissive.

    I think Indonesia is a great place to find a wife. But you need to be decent husband material, and you need to be selective.

    As a Christian, here are characteristics I was looking for, not all in order of priority:

    1. A fellow believer with similar beliefs.
    2. A virgin.
    3. A woman who believed that wives should submit to their husbands.
    4. A woman who did not believe she could divorce her husband if she were unhappy, etc.
    5. A woman who believed in being diligent around the home, raising children, etc.
    6. Someone I clicked with.
    7. Freakishly beautiful.

    I got all of those in my wife. I’d also like to point out that women are women. If you marry a woman who, in theory, says that she believes wives should submit to their husbands and respect them, she can still get upset. She could still nag or try to control. Women are women. Cultural values don’t eliminate the possibility of behavior that isn’t quite consistent with those values. You also have to be a kind husband and treat your wife with the proper respect as a wife.

    If you want to find a wife in Indonesia, I’m not sure what the national divorce rate is. I’m pretty sure it is much, much lower than it is among Americans, even with Indonesian Muslims. An exception may be the Sundanese, where divorce is common. They are 99 something percent Muslim. Batak culture is extremely anti-divorce. One Batak told me they weren’t even supposed to remarry if widowed in their culture. I don’t know if that was just his opinion or not. I know of a Batak who has divorced and remarried, though historically it has been frowned upon. I only know that one, and I knew lots of Batak over there. His wife wasn’t Batak.

    I’d also suggest you might want to consider marrying a poor or middle class girl, a girl who grew up washing the family laundry by hand, rather than a girl who told the maid to do it. There are ‘princesses’ in every country. My wife worked from middle school, selling from a kiosk, washing family laundry, and she is a very diligent woman. I can think of one princess type over there who seemed to be looking for a husband. Country of origin does not determine what type of wife a woman will be. You need to look at things with a more fine-grained approach.

    Indonesian women, in general, think women should be able to cook well for their husbands. They may be embarrassed if they can’t. Try telling your average American women in her 20’s, “A woman should be able to cook for her husband.” and you may get some kind of feminist scowl in return. An Indonesian woman would probably just agree. You tell the average American 22 year old woman “A wife should submit to her husband. Do you agree?” Again, more ‘PC’ anger, disagreement, etc. The average Indonesian woman would probably agree with you. There is also something about not being a feminist that allows women to be feminine.

    If she’s a traditional girl, she probably won’t marry without parental approval. Getting that can be difficult. Rituals and cultural expectations for marriage can be quite different, depending on the people group. You might marry her in a white wedding dress, or a colorful local gown, or both. She could do a white dress for the wedding if she’s a Christian, and a traditional outfit for the party, or you might have a church wedding and a cultural traditional wedding. In some people-groups, you are expected to pay for everything (or hit your parents up for it) or the bride’s family may be expected to pay for you. It depends on tradition. I had to get adopted into a family in my wife’s tribe to have a family name and be considered a part of the tribe. Parental expectations of financial support, especially if she is from a poor family, may be a lot different from what you are used to.

    As far as looks go, I was never one of these guys who had to marry an Asian. I was working in Asia at the time of life I was looking for a wife. For me, personally, if you take a group of 100 randomly chosen Indonesian women and put them in a room, 100 randomly chosen Chinese women and put them in a room, and 100 randomly chosen American Caucasian women and put them in a room— assuming all were thin within certain weight parameters, chances are I’d think more of the American and Chinese women were pretty than Indonesian. Without the weight parameters, the Asian groups would probably win for me. I’m just talking physical looks here. But with Indonesians, for me, if a girl is pretty, she can be really pretty in a unique way as far as her looks are concerned. Looks are subjective depending on the eye of the beholder. And they aren’t the most important thing in marriage.

    My wife, though, is in her late 30’s, and she’s still thin after all these years. Some Indonesians get a little chunky over time, but it just seems like Asians in general are somehow able to stay thin more often than western people. And she is a fantastic cook, cooking all kinds of cuisines. The Asian thinness thing hasn’t rubbed off on me.

    Our common Christian faith and beliefs have been a great help in our marriage. It gives us a common set of beliefs for knowing what I need to do and what she needs to do. I need to treat her with the proper honor and provide for her. I must love her as Christ loves the church. She needs to honor me and submit to me. We have to take care of each other’s sexual needs. She should be diligent about the home (which she’s been really good at without me having to organize or prod her to be serious about it.)

    If you marry an Indonesian women, it is expected that you will have children. If you don’t want kids, you’d have to pick a sterile one or an old one. Just about every Indonesian women I’ve encountered wants kids. Indonesian culture is to have one in the first year of marriage.

    Sometimes you need some help finding a wife. I prayed and God led me to the right woman. There were some details about who my wife would be from my prayer time that helped confirm to me that she was the one. We both sought the Lord’s direction and were confident our union was from the Lord before getting married.

    If you look, you can find

    Me

    March 1, 2014 at 12:31 pm

    • I’m not even a member of this site..but!!! You !!!just made my sign up….Dam it…lol…
      but you have some very interesting stuff to say…make me think about a lot i have to do to look for a woman…I’m really want a Latin woman. ..Columbia. .Dominic. ..Brazilian. ..dont matter…i always wanted to date one…but never had a change to find one but thanks to You…i will do some research

      Dee

      July 19, 2014 at 11:31 am

  8. I’m an American woman and my husband’s first wife was Brazilian. She just wanted to use him…she lied, cheated, spent his money, etc. I treat my husband very well, take care of myself (working out, watching what I eat, etc.), and I have a really good job. Maybe the problem isn’t the American women, maybe its yourselves.

    Betty Boop

    June 8, 2014 at 8:54 am

  9. Hi, my English might be hard to understand, bit challenged in languages. I am from India, belongs to a Hindu family. From last 10 years I got lot of chances to visit various countries, earlier because of sports tours and later because of my job. I tried to know more and more about the respective region I visited. I got to interact people from different culture and beliefs.
    Without being biased and with open mind. I would like to say that Indian family system is still the best, even after the western effect and around 25% of population is following Islam in India.

    Divorce rate is still less than 1% in India. In this 1% majority is of Muslim couples.

    I would like to share a fact with you people. In negative languages of India (they are derived from Sanskrit with different text to write, the number of languages are around 20+) we don’t have any word for DIVORCE.

    We maintain are celibacy (in lighter words Virginity) for our holy soulmate. We don’t believe in sex, we believe in love making for a new life.

    Not just Indian women are best but, they Goddess of purity, strength, love, wealth, peace and wisdom to us.

    I will not say that Indian culture and tradition are fully intact, they too are losing because of various materialist approach.

    Still, Indian women are best.

    I am happily married since last 5 years to my love of childhood. And will want her to my holy wife in my every life or whenever wherever I take birth.

    God bless all

    varun

    June 9, 2014 at 2:58 am

  10. It’s hard yo find a real one on a dating site. Even how true and sincere you are. A lot of option will take you in to a long run to find the real one . Wanna marry a foreign man and what I experienced in the dating site I was scammed. My photo uses it for fake profile after get some info about me. I’m a Filipina single mom of two. So many fake profiles.

    Misslin

    July 5, 2014 at 8:31 pm

  11. they know how to fuck well in Poland

    Barry

    July 17, 2014 at 3:08 am

  12. hi! will u marry me and I’m single I 24 year old and I living India but after marriage stay ur city / country

    Dharmbir

    August 21, 2014 at 3:51 am

  13. Speaking from my personal experience, I have dated a Mexican, two filipinas, three Japanese, a Korean, a Taiwanese, Chinese, German, Brazilian, and several Caucasian women. Western women are in large part a big pain in the ass. Some Latin women are great and but others want to show off with lots of material possessions, so choose wisely. Filipinas are great. Their culture seems to integrate well with american life. Koreans tend to be very judgemental and more so looking toward material gain as a way of showing off. I like western European women that are down to earth and who understand that living more simply sometimes is better. Its all about the attitude with them. Chinese are way too serious for me. I’m a loose person that likes to have fun, goof off sometimes and the Chinese mentality frowns on this type of attitude at times. Japanese women are excellent. As long as you don’t run them into the ground where they feel like your servant, they will scrub you down in a bubble bath, cook amazing food, keep a perfect home, although I will still help with those things. The Brazilian and many Latin women for the most part are way too fiery for my taste. I don’t like conflict and the yelling and screaming bit, nor do I like women that think driving around in a new beamer and wearing expensive jewelry makes them feel better. The most down to earth ladies are Japanese and filipina, for sure. And of course there is the american girl next door type that always gets snapped up quickly and can rarely be found. I lost one of those myself. Being a combat veteran, I struggled to adjust for a while. These days, a sweet down to earth woman who likes a stress free lifestyle is for me. I will pay for her to go thru any type of vocational job training so she can work, if she comes from another country. That way she does feel more like she is doing something for herself and for us, you have more money and then later on she would also qualify for social security in retirement. Not all american women are bad but men still want their partner to love them like a man instead of thinking they are carrying his balls around in their purse.

    matt

    September 19, 2014 at 10:41 am


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