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Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by TyHigs on Dec 30, 2005, 11:49am

I’m not saying women are unwelcome. I am just asking. It really seems that the women who type here on a consistent basis 1. Have their own issues with men, probably due to lack of attention or 2. Have an intense desire to prove that most American women actually ARE bitches (under the guise of the opposite motive, ironically).

What gives?

With CV’s (chrisvet) help, I am 7 yrs from retirement from American women’s pathology. So you women will have an ever-dwindling supply of men who you can expect to eat your shit and like it.

It still eludes me how American women dont understand that being a bitch means men wont like you. They’ve been way too brainwashed that being a woman (weaker than a man) must be countered by acting like a superbitch (which is only backed my the police force [other men] and the political system).

Trust me. Your grand children will be begging for good men like the women in Russia do now, cause every man with 2 cents in his head will be planning how to GTFO (or at the very least they wont be dating you).
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by sirlancelot on Dec 30, 2005, 11:58am

Women just have the insane belief these days that they can bully and shame us into liking them. They vastly over-estimate their ability to make us give a damn about their approval.

I’m glad women do come here though. I like them knowing that the game is up, that they will have to work their whole lives then die as miserable childless spinsters. They had a nice deal with marriage but they screwed it up, wanted everything, now have nothing. Hah!
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by JimP on Dec 30, 2005, 12:17pm

I think that the one last thing that American Women still have going for them is that Americans are the least traveled people in the world. Less than 20% of the population even have passports.

I say this based on my-own personal experience; someone can talk to you about foreign women until they’re blue in the face, but until you actually travel abroad and see for yourself what normal women are like, deep down you can’t really understand how awful American Women (even the “good” ones) really are, because you have no basis for comparison.

It’s sort of like scuba diving, you can talk about it all you want, but until you actually do it, you can’t really know what it’s like.

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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Patr3 on Dec 30, 2005, 12:21pm

Interesting point about the police, (other men) Ty. It’s true, women’s only real protection from men is other men.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by TyHigs on Dec 30, 2005, 12:21pm

I guess I never really was plugged in. I remember this size 16 women getting upset because I put on my profile “no overweight women.” Keep in mind, I’m in better shape than 90% of men you’d see in public, but she expects The Rock(tm) to come swoop her off her feet cause she’s exchanged photos with a few 270 rockhard lbers (not stopping to think that these men have infinite options cause of women like her).

Did that intimidate me into removing my statement? FUCK NO! Most of them on there were fat anyway and can kiss my ass.

The audacity of these women, who think they can both set what men find attractive in women and what women find attractive in men is pure insanity that I’ve never encountered before. “I dont want you, but I dont want you to have the option of getting with someone other than me.” Pretty much sums it up.

Basically they want to make themselves more attractive by proxy. They dont want to make an effort for themselves, for that would be slavery, and we cant go around pleasing men – that might actually lead to fulfilling relationships after all.

Nope. Instead they want to shame men into liking bitchy, argumentative, fat women. And what else? “There are few women who arent like that so you might as well give in.” In this way, the fattest, least educated, women with the most number illegitimate children can have access to the best men.

But for this to work a large percentage of men must be complicit or fully subscribe to this nonsense. We here are free-thinkers who realize that Ameircan women are one-sided shitbrains. So we adjust our behavior accordingly – by avoiding said shitbrains. And that is why these women are here.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by scholarlee on Dec 30, 2005, 12:23pm

1) oftentimes you can find discussions here that you just can’t find anywhere else.

2) new perspectives energize my mind and lead to greater understanding of the human condition.

3) if I disagree strongly enough to speak up here, I have to be extra-rigorous in defending my position (or face complete humiliation). this means I have to subject my own opinion to rigorous scrutiny before posting – often my own position has collapsed before I even bother to post. such a searching and fearless inventory of my own worldview can only lead to increased personal growth.

I think I’ve only run afoul of the greater board population once or twice. I try to keep my own personal drama from overtaking my posts (with varying degrees of success, I know!). but I’ve learned a lot from being here.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by upklhd on Dec 30, 2005, 12:41pm

Curiosity and like scholarlee, seeing a different perspective.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by scholarlee on Dec 30, 2005, 12:49pm

oh, and the recipes…can’t forget the recipes…
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Hyperion on Dec 30, 2005, 1:16pm

Alright,

I’m gonna be the dissenter here, I think all women should really be banned from sites like this. Yes, I know it’s the Author’s call as it’s his site, but were I running things on a site like this, I would ban every woman.

See, it’s like this, the women have no intellectual points to contribute, they mindlessly sidetrack off topic, AKA posts about Home brewing and food recipes, and since they’re women, all the other guys start either hitting on them, or worse, start feeding their attention whore syndrome.

I’ve yet to see any real original conscious thought from any woman here, the best they’ve managed is either “me too” posts or “how terrible!” what a joke.

In short, we don’t want your emotions, give us something actually useful or don’t bother us at all.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Lee on Dec 30, 2005, 1:26pm

Dec 30, 2005, 12:17pm, JimP wrote:I think that the one last thing that American Women still have going for them is that Americans are the least traveled people in the world. Less than 20% of the population even have passports.

I say this based on my-own personal experience; someone can talk to you about foreign women until they’re blue in the face, but until you actually travel abroad and see for yourself what normal women are like, deep down you can’t really understand how awful American Women (even the “good” ones) really are, because you have no basis for comparison.

It’s sort of like scuba diving, you can talk about it all you want, but until you actually do it, you can’t really know what it’s like.

I am headed to Mexico for NYears, and planning a trip to Hermasillo in a month or two.

I shall soon see with my own eyes.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by thechief on Dec 30, 2005, 1:26pm

This site has reached the point where the women are the ones who keep it interesting. They’re either a) careful and thoughtful about what they say, and thus contribute interesting points of view, like Scholarlee or Upkld, or b) grenade-throwing trolls who whip up a good, entertaining fight, like Jaime or Psychobitch. ‘Fess up, guys. You enjoy the combat.

If it weren’t for the ladies, this board would degenerate into armchair nihilists spewing out bullshit theories about how Western society is going to hell and a lot of self-congratulatory circle jerking. Most guys really learn everything they need to know from this site from the essay and a quick review of the forums. At this point we’re largely just repeating ourselves. The ladies at least tend to make it interesting enough to keep checking in.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by David on Dec 30, 2005, 1:33pm

Tell it like it is Hyperion … “we don’t want your emotions, give us something actually useful”

Also, I’m noticing that slowly but surely, foreign women are becoming more and more like American women. They are not there yet, but its getting there. I travel alot, and am noticing this slow but steady trend. For example, I’m noticing that Eastern European, Caribbean, South American and other forgein born and raised women (dutch, english, french and spanish speaking) living in the Caribbean (and here ) are getting a steady diet of American cable TV with its Oprah (or should I say Orca the Oprahsaurus), Lifetime, Women’s Entertainment, etc. and their attitudes are slowly changing. They are still a far cry better than American and Western Women, but I’ve noticed this shift. What do you all think?
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by scholarlee on Dec 30, 2005, 1:34pm

no one has hit on me, nor have they baited me. (why would they?) most of the time if people aren’t interested in what I’m on about, the post gets ignored. I don’t take it personally.

I’ve aspired to be at least as intellectual as antiriad (insofar as I’m capable), and I’ve exchanged recipes with The Chief. the board has not collapsed under the weight of my pontifications nor my recipe posts, as far as I’m aware.

and when the thread specifically says “Off Topic”, one should know better than to investigate it if one is not interested in anything off-topic.

if it is by custom or by statute okay for men to take the discussion off topic, but not okay for women to take the discussion off topic, that should be made clear.

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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by David on Dec 30, 2005, 1:40pm

Here is my list of worst countries/continent areas concerning the quality of Women (in order). You can expand on this list if you like or correct it.

—– THE WORST OF ALL —–
1) United States
2) Canada
3) United Kingdom
4) Australia/New Zealand
5) The rest of Western Europe

—– THAT ENDS THE WORST

NATIONS CLOSING THE GAP WITH AMERICAN WOMEN —–

6) Non-western developed nations
7) The Caribbean

NOTE: There are still good women in non-western developed nations and the Caribbean, but watch out. They are slowly getting worse and are ahead of the rest of the world not mentioned.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Willie Molson on Dec 30, 2005, 1:41pm

Scholarlee, I liked your post. I think women who are rigorous in their self analysis and open to an intellectually honest discussion are welcomed by most men on this thread. Consciousness changes only incrementally. Perhaps in our own minuscule way here, we are contributing to this.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by David on Dec 30, 2005, 1:43pm

Well put Willie Molson,

it would be good if women came to this site to learn how NOT to act with a man and how NOT to act in marriage/divorce. But the majority that come here are not contributing anything.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by scholarlee on Dec 30, 2005, 1:44pm

Dec 30, 2005, 1:41pm, Willie Molson wrote:Scholarlee, I liked your post. I think women who are rigorous in their self analysis and open to an intellectually honest discussion are welcomed by most men on this thread. Consciousness changes only incrementally. Perhaps in our own miniscule way here, we are contributing to this.

why thank you sir.

I wish I could be more consistently successful, but I’m only human after all.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Hyperion on Dec 30, 2005, 2:04pm

Dec 30, 2005, 1:34pm, scholarlee wrote:no one has hit on me, nor have they baited me. (why would they?) most of the time if people aren’t interested in what I’m on about, the post gets ignored. I don’t take it personally.

What makes you think you can just come in here and be accepted huh?

You know, I wonder about Lee. I wonder why you spent your peak fertility (AKA the time you were at your most attractive) years on the bad boys, and now in your late 30’s, when your looks and sex appeal are fading, you suddenly “get” a burst of sanity and start paying attention to the guys you so ignored?

I think you want to be saved from yourself. And you expect guys like us to do it for you. I can see through your poor woman’s praise for us, you just want to manipulate us, nothing more.

Quote:I’ve aspired to be at least as intellectual as antiriad (insofar as I’m capable), and I’ve exchanged recipes with The Chief. the board has not collapsed under the weight of my pontifications nor my recipe posts, as far as I’m aware.

Your presence here is feminizing the environment and we’re here to get away from that, to quote Tyler Durden:

We are a generation of men raised by women. I’m beginning to wonder if another woman is what we really need.

Quote:if it is by custom or by statute okay for men to take the discussion off topic, but not okay for women to take the discussion off topic, that should be made clear.

It’s a man’s board, there’s no limit of the amount of women only boards on the web, go somewhere else.

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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by TyHigs on Dec 30, 2005, 2:18pm

Dec 30, 2005, 1:40pm, David wrote:Here is my list of worst contries/continent areas concerning the quality of Women (in order). You can expand on this list if you like or correct it.

—–THE WORST OF ALL —–
1) United States
2) Canada
3) United Kingdom
4) Australia/New Zealand
5) The rest of Western Europe

—–THAT ENDS THE WORST

NOW NATIONS CLOSING THE GAP WITH AMERICAN WOMEN —–

6) Non-western developed nations
7) The Caribbean

NOTE: There are still good women in non-western developed nations and the Caribbean, but watch out. They are slowly getting worse and are ahead of the rest of the world not mentioned.

Where would you place the women of quebec who arent fluent in English but know the basics, i.e. “how are you?”
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by JimP on Dec 30, 2005, 2:23pm

Dec 30, 2005, 1:33pm, David wrote:Tell it like it is Hyperion … “we don’t want your emotions, give us something actually useful”

Also, I’m noticing that slowly but surely, foreign women are becoming more and more like American women. They are not there yet, but its getting there. I travel alot, and am noticing this slow but steady trend. For example, I’m noticing that Eastern European, Caribbean, South American and other forgein born and raised women (dutch, english, french and spanish speaking) living in the Caribbean (and here ) are getting a steady diet of American cable TV with its Oprah (or should I say Orca the Oprahsaurus), Lifetime, Women’s Entertainment, etc. and their attitudes are slowly changing. They are still a far cry better than American and Western Women, but I’ve noticed this shift. What do you all think?

Well, I don’t know much about the Caribbean or South America, but I do know Eastern Europe really well. I have never met anyone there that even knows who Oprah is, let alone watches the show.

Furthermore, the fact that 99% of the population is dirt poor and a $50 bribe to the local police will let you do pretty much anything you want short of murder, kind of makes it hard for women to insult men.

Moreover, women there actually have had equal rights and participated in the labor force for years and years in the old Soviet Union (plus they had to do all the housework as well). Having gone through that, they all want to stay home with the kids now; I can’t think of many women there that actually WANT a career. So I don’t think that feminism will play a big role in Eastern Europe anytime soon.

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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by scholarlee on Dec 30, 2005, 2:33pm

Dec 30, 2005, 2:04pm, Hyperion wrote:What makes you think you can just come in here and be accepted huh?

well, up ’til now, nobody’s mentioned that they feel uncomfortable. I didn’t feel like anyone was going out of his way to exclude me. nobody had given me any indication it was an issue, until just this minute.

Dec 30, 2005, 2:04pm, Hyperion wrote:You know, I wonder about Lee. I wonder why you spent your peak fertility (AKA the time you were at your most attractive) years on the bad boys, and now in your late 30’s, when your looks and sex appeal are fading, you suddenly “get” a burst of sanity and start paying attention to the guys you so ignored?

HAH!
Hyperion, you’re assuming I was ever attractive or sexy or fertile. I assure you, nothing could be further from the truth. the swarm of suitors you suppose I rejected simply do not exist.

Dec 30, 2005, 2:04pm, Hyperion wrote:I think you want to be saved from yourself. And you expect guys like us to do it for you. I can see through your poor woman’s praise for us, you just want to manipulate us, nothing more.

with all due respect, I take exception to that. in fact, I expect nothing of the kind. I expect people to treat me as I have treated them. no more, no less.

Dec 30, 2005, 2:04pm, Hyperion wrote:
Your presence here is feminizing the environment

not trying to be obnoxious but genuinely curious – what do you mean? I haven’t suggested any modifications to the board rules, nor have I objected to the way things are done, nor have I pitched a Jamie-esque hissyfit. the general tone around here is so masculine, I hardly think I could “feminize” the environment. In a battle between masculinity and femininity, all things being equal, wouldn’t masculinity win the day anyway?

and what could possibly be “feminizing” about homebrewed beer? how much more butch can ya get?

Dec 30, 2005, 2:04pm, Hyperion wrote:It’s a man’s board, there’s no limit of the amount of women only boards on the web, go somewhere else.

I do, sometimes. I don’t frequent any boards where it is women-only by rule. I hang out at a couple places where it is mostly women posting. But I try not to OD on the estrogen. why do I need to put up with that when I can actually enjoy a decent debate here from time to time?

and no, I didn’t start the recipe thing. (I aided and abetted, sure, but it wasn’t my idea.)
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Hyperion on Dec 30, 2005, 2:59pm

Quote:not trying to be obnoxious but genuinely curious – what do you mean?

You’re testing us.

Philalethes says:

Quote:I had a girl friend once who taught me a lot. (A Japanese-American, BTW.) On one occasion I got into a big argument with her (about what, I forget), which ended when, finally, in extreme frustration, I exclaimed, “That’s not logical!” “I’m not logical,” she replied. I thought, Oh, that’s right. Deal with it.

There’s no answer for that, but for a man to know himself, who he is, and what he stands for; then she can take it or leave it. If she takes him, she will conform herself to the discipline of his logic–though she’ll continue to test him, so he’d better be sure his logic has integrity. If a man has to ask a woman to think for him, it just won’t work. If he’s so attached/dependent that he’s afraid he’ll lose her if he stands his ground–gently but firmly–he’s already lost anyway. And so is she.

What I’m coming to understand lately is that not only must I know where I stand, but past a certain point it’s useless to try to explain or persuade. Just state your position, and let her take it or leave it. “Never argue with a woman” is not just a tired old joke; it’s real wisdom. If she’s worth your time, she’ll come around; if not, don’t waste your time. But in order to make this work, we males must be weaned, and few of us are these days.

Another time, another altercation, terminally exasperated, I asked her what she wanted. “I never know what I want until I get it,” she said. It was like one of those cartoon light bulbs went on over my head. “Aha,” I thought, “there speaks Woman.”

It’s certainly become plain by now that women really don’t know what they want; they may think they want one thing, but if you watch you’ll see that if they get it they complain even louder–and what they really respond to is usually something quite different. Thus do feminists dream of stevedores. And this is the answer to Devvy Kidd’s question about why women buy billions of “romance” novels–even as they demand that their own men behave like doormats.

It’s not that they really want their men to be doormats; it’s that they need their men to be strong, and how do you determine how strong something is without testing it? They do this instinctively, not consciously; naturally they think they want to win, but when they win, they lose. And don’t know why they’re unhappy. Being a woman is not easy; they can’t figure themselves out either, because, in the short run, they make no sense. For a woman, a straight line is not the shortest distance. Because in the natural order, her man is supposed to be breaking the trail, while she follows his lead.

I remember in my hippie days, out in the California Mountains, watching a young woman follow a young man on a trail in the forest. It was an archetypal scene, like Sita following Rama, the Last of the Mohicans: everywoman following everyman.

I had another girl friend once who wanted to arm-wrestle. She was a tough girl, but when I beat her, she was satisfied. I could see it: I’d passed the test, and right away she started fitting herself to me. (In fact, before I knew it seemed we were planning to move in together, which was more than I’d bargained for. I really wasn’t thinking ahead–which is the man’s job. Took some contortions to get out of that one, and I haven’t seen her since.) This is the fundamental, archetypal relationship of the female to the male. “He chases her until she catches him.”

Even Martha Burk and all the other feminists who so adamantly insist on entry to the boys’ clubhouse are doing the same basic thing: testing men. If they win, they lose, because boys can’t become men in a female-dominated environment. And any environment with females present is fundamentally female-dominated, regardless of appearances.

Every boy starts out utterly dominated by a female, a domination which requires decisive change to escape. But if he doesn’t escape his mother’s gravity field, the next generation of women will have no men to marry. That’s essentially our present situation. Few American males (myself included) would I call “men” in the real sense.

A woman cannot show a man how to be a man; what she needs is for him to bring her something she doesn’t already have–or know. Watch birds courting.

This whole process works just fine, more or less, in other species; but among humans, so much more complicated, with so many “choices,” it’s gotten seriously derailed. It’s not easy being a man either, especially in our time when the traditional processes that used to make men of boys have been lost. The best our culture has to offer these days are military basic training and football–neither of which has ever appealed to me in the least. In Burma, traditionally a young man becomes a monk for at least a few months, up to a couple of years. Having experienced a similar form of Buddhist monastic life, I can say it can be an excellent molder of character, if properly understood and applied.

A friend of mine does summer camps for teenage boys, wherein they learn wilderness skills and suchlike. And how to act. One assignment sometimes given is to sit all day in one place without moving, which is essentially the same thing that Buddhist monks do. It works. Young men need something to push against–preferably themselves–that won’t really hurt them or anyone else.

I’d say that male consciousness tends toward abstraction and identifying principles, then ordering thinking and behaviour on that basis. While female consciousness is based on feeling and pragmatic in the short term. Each has its place and use, but they are not “equal”; one or the other must be in charge, and it matters absolutely which.

I’m a fan of Jefferson also, though I certainly recognize his character failings. There were “men in those days.” They were all classically educated, too.

“If you allow them [women] to pull away restraints and put themselves on an equality with their husbands, do you imagine that you will be able to tolerate them? From the moment that they become your fellows, they will become your masters.” – Cato the Censor

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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by King Karan on Dec 30, 2005, 3:00pm

I have traveled much and speak from experience. I especially know very well Eastern Europe where I used to live. You don’t need bribes in Eastern Europe, that’s crazy!!! American men are revered there as good and stable men, as the best husband material, women love them! So you are starting with +100 points perception “surplus” especially if you want to marry, while by comparison anywhere in the West from -100+.

Beware however, the feminist virus is spreading especially among the elites in Eastern Eurpope, the Czech Republic being the worst case. So, short of romantic tourism in Prague, don’t have any expectations there. However, there are still plenty of good and beautiful women to pick elsewhere. Here is my list of best countries in terms of beauty, values, and quality of sex and compatibility:

I. Eastern Europe

1. Slovakia
2. Macedonia
3. Croatia
4. Serbia

Perhaps I would add Poland, Slovenia, and the other entrants into the EU (Bulgaria and Romania), but they are getting attitude because of EU membership and the crap that the Westerners are feeding them. Still, great sex in all of them. In Poland, there traditionalism is still preserved because of the unusual role of the Church, while in Slovenia there are not enough men.

AVOID the Baltic states (Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia)! The chilly Northern mentality is similar to the crap that you see in the West.

II. Western Europe

All of Western Europe is shooting to Hell, here including Italy, Austria, France, and the rest. There are some pockets of conservative women here and there (Portugal for example), but overall, the game there is over for you. The absolute worst are Sweden and Norway, but the rest are not far behind. For those who don’t know, it is very hip in Spain to be gay now, a widespread phenomenon, so Spain too will go down the tubes.

III. Best countries in Latin America in order of value:

1. Costa Rica
2. Colombia
3. Argentina and Chile
4. Perhaps Uruguay

Much to say here, but I better let other opine as well. I would likely add South Africa to the mix, but the situation is changing for the worse there too.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by scholarlee on Dec 30, 2005, 3:05pm

Hyperion – I would not have asked if I did not want to know.

I assure you, I was not testing you, or anyone.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by upklhd on Dec 30, 2005, 3:35pm

Dec 30, 2005, 1:43pm, David wrote:Well put Willie Molson,

it would be good if women came to this site to learn how NOT to act with a man and how NOT to act in marriage/divorce. But the majority that come here are not contributing anything.

I have always understood this forum was a men’s forum and knew my place as a visiting female. I’ve been here, politely, for over a year, and can honestly say I’ve learned an incredible amount about a man’s psyche: what men want, what men don’t want, and most importantly, how my role as a woman affects my relationships with men.

This forum has honestly forced me to look at a woman’s behavior through a man’s eyes, and often, I humbly agree with 90% of your frustrations.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Lydia1 on Dec 30, 2005, 3:38pm

I come here to read the posts because I find them genuinely thought-provoking and interesting. I am also trying to learn how to be the best woman and girlfriend that I can be. I think here is a much better place to learn from they, say, the self-ritious, how-to-keep-your-man-on-a-short-leash ramblings of Cosmopolitan magazine. I direct my grrl-power friends here, to try and teach them a thing or two, and my boyfriend directs his friends here as well. I am sorry if I have caused anyone here disgruntlement, and will gladly stop posting if it is this boards wish. I didn’t mean to intrude, although I hope I will still be allowed to read the post, if not respond.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by PsychoBitch on Dec 30, 2005, 4:01pm

I come here to assert myself in the face of stark opposition. I do like to read what men have to say too. I wear my feminism like a badge of honor and this forum is a great place to flaunt it.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by King Karan on Dec 30, 2005, 4:27pm

Quote:I come here to assert myself in the face of stark opposition. I do like to read what men have to say too. I wear my feminism like a badge of honor and this forum is a great place to flaunt it.

Obviously you are that limited not to realize we don’t even laugh at you anymore, that we actually feel sorry for you?!

I am not sure about the other women, but at some level you perform a useful function on this forum — free of charge, dumsh1t that you are — to impress the point that men should avoid Western Women at all costs, not marry you, not deal with you, not have anything to do with you!

Now that I think about it, you have become a postergirl for this forum! We can point to you when we say: now there is a feminist, just look what a poisoned mind is, see what venom and ignorance looks like, and the lack of family upbringing, of structure and direction.

So do stay here PsychoBitch and share more of your thought with us. The more you share, the more other men will avoid your ilk like the plague. And that’s a good thing!
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by toadman1 on Dec 30, 2005, 4:27pm

Hey PB do you agree with Lydia above?

Quote:I am also trying to learn how to be the best woman and girlfriend that I can be.

*Passes out the beer and popcorn*

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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Patr3 on Dec 30, 2005, 4:33pm

Dec 30, 2005, 4:01pm, PsychoBitch wrote:I come here to assert myself in the face of stark opposition. I do like to read what men have to say too. I wear my feminism like a badge of honor and this forum is a great place to flaunt it.

You “wear” and “flaunt” feminism? Anything for attention I guess.

What opposition? The men here have different views than yours, big deal.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by JimP on Dec 30, 2005, 4:34pm

Dec 30, 2005, 3:00pm, King Karan wrote:I have travelled much and speak from experience. I especially know very well Eastern Europe where I used to live. You don’t need bribes in Eastern Europe, that’s crazy!!! American men are revered there as good and stable men, as the best husband material, women love them! So you are starting with +100 points perception “surplus” especially if you want to marry, while by comparison anywhere in the West from -100+.

Beware however, the feminist virus is spreading especially among the elites in Eastern Eurpope, the Czech Republic being the worst case. So, short of romantic tourism in Prague, don’t have any expectations there. However, there are still plenty of good and beautiful women to pick elsewhere. Here is my list of best countries in terms of beaty, values, and quality of sex and campatibility:

I. Eastern Europe

1. Slovakia
2. Macedonia
3. Croatia
4. Serbia

Perhaps I would add Poland, Slovenia, and the other entrants into the EU (Bulgaria and Romania), but they are getting attitude because of EU membership and the crap that the Westerners are feeding them. Still, great sex in all of them. In Poland, there traditionalism is still preserved because of the unusual role of the Church, while in Slovenia there are not enough men.

AVOID the Baltic states (Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia)! The chilly Northern mentality is similar to the crap that you see in the West.

II. Western Europe

All of Western Europe is shooting to Hell, here including Italy, Austria, France, and the rest. There are some pockets of conservative women here and there (Portugal for example), but overall, the game there is over for you. The absolute worst are Sweden and Norway, but the rest are not far behind. For those who don’t know, it is very hip in Spain to be gay now, a widespread phenomenon, so Spain too will go down the tubes.

III. Best countries in Latin America in order of value:

1. Costa Rica
2. Colombia
3. Argentina and Chile
4. Perhaps Uruguay

Much to say here, but I better let other opine as well. I would likely add South Africa to the mix, but the situation is changing for the worse there too.

Just curious if you’ve ever been to any of the ex-Soviet Union countries (Ukraine, Belarus, Russia, etc.) and how in your opinion they compare to all the countries you mention, which is basically ex-Ugoslavia.

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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by thechief on Dec 30, 2005, 4:51pm

While the third world may be an option for finding a mate, I’d avoid the truly desperate, hell hole third world–like the former Soviet states. Seems to me those girls would be less interested in marrying because she wants a good husband and family and more interested in marrying because she’s cold and hungry and doesn’t want to stand in line for hours to get basic consumer goods. Understandable in a way, really, but I wouldn’t want to be the guy who rescues her, gets her over here in America and then ends up divorced once she becomes accustomed to the (comparative) good life.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by antiriad on Dec 30, 2005, 5:16pm

Dec 30, 2005, 4:01pm, PsychoBitch wrote:I come here to assert myself in the face of stark opposition. I do like to read what men have to say too. I wear my feminism like a badge of honor and this forum is a great place to flaunt it.

The real discussions happen on mancoat anyway, not this forum. And I dare you to try and gain access to that site, you ignorant wench.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by King Karan on Dec 30, 2005, 5:18pm

I have been to Ukraine and Russia, and then to Georgia and Azerbaijan.

I have respect for Russian women, the majority are remarkable even though they have a bad reputation in the West. Most are physically attractive and appeal to Western men, sexual (normal), sensual, have family values, and very importantly, have depth.

In my view, Yugoslavia had for 50+ years had more balanced relations between men and women than the USSR, despite the somewhat similar traditions.

If you are marriage minded, don’t do it quickly or over the internet!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The best thing is to take your time, go there for a period of time, get “connected” and you will not regret it! You will have the best picks and that is something. But to take such a step you must know that you are dealing with different national identities, so life is more complicated but more enriching and interesting.

Re Ukraine: I have been to solely to Kiev and cannot quite comment, but have somewhat of a mixed feeling because it is very poor and you must then completely factor in the economic needs of women. Unfortunately, too many are forced to prostitute themselves as far as Dubai for example. Belorus is worse. Which does not mean that you will not find a good match there – certainly many Ukrainian women will be a much better choice than what you have back home.

Georgia – I had a blast, but did not think they were my types and suspect are not your type.

Azerbaijan – great women, secular muslim tradition with russian influence, strong family traditions. They are essentially Turks with a twist. And if you know anything about the Ottoman Empire, you will know that the greatest genetic engineering took place there over 5 centuries – so when you open your mind to such women, you may be surprised how utterly satisfying they can be!

My newest find is Colombia though. Women there have not been corrupted (yet).

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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by IndependantBlackMan on Dec 30, 2005, 5:28pm

Great field reports King Karan. BTW, does anyone know about Armenia and Turkmenistan? I’d like to go to both as I’ve heard very good things.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by King Karan on Dec 30, 2005, 6:09pm

Armenia is even poorer than Georgia (which is disintegrating) and is under Russian political influence. Under Putin it is likely to grow. My stay there does not even count, but is similar to Georgia. Nice people, not my type of women. If you love “morena” or darker skin women, go to Colombia.

Turkmenistan is the worst dictatorship in the FSU. Personally, I would not go there though I have colleagues that do. Not that I would not live very well if it is a government-related job, likely I would have a blast, but I prefer other things now. Again, I am a public intellectual and my preferences are a bit more “romantic” for a lack of a better word. As Western Europe has lost the charm, I find it in the East.

The Western European city that is “in” right now is Copenhagen! Wildest parties, believe me!
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by AppleJack on Dec 30, 2005, 6:21pm

Dec 30, 2005, 2:04pm, Hyperion wrote:
Dec 30, 2005, 1:34pm, scholarlee wrote:no one has hit on me, nor have they baited me. (why would they?) most of the time if people aren’t interested in what I’m on about, the post gets ignored. I don’t take it personally.

What makes you think you can just come in here and be accepted huh?

You know, I wonder about Lee. I wonder why you spent your peak fertility (AKA the time you were at your most attractive) years on the bad boys, and now in your late 30’s, when your looks and sex appeal are fading, you suddenly “get” a burst of sanity and start paying attention to the guys you so ignored?

I think you want to be saved from yourself. And you expect guys like us to do it for you. I can see through your poor woman’s praise for us, you just want to manipulate us, nothing more.

Your presence here is feminizing the environment and we’re here to get away from that, to quote Tyler Durden:

We are a generation of men raised by women. I’m beginning to wonder if another woman is what we really need.

Quote:if it is by custom or by statute okay for men to take the discussion off topic, but not okay for women to take the discussion off topic, that should be made clear.

It’s a man’s board, there’s no limit of the amount of women only boards on the web, go somewhere else.

Personally, I like scholarlee. I’ve never found her presence here to be either disagreeable or as problematic in any way. She seems to go out of her way to avoid ruffling any feathers when she has a point to make or merely wishes to chime in on an issue being discussed by the guys.

Overall she seems like a very nice person and she’s always been respectful, even when she’s attacked. She’s alright in my book.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by AppleJack on Dec 30, 2005, 6:36pm

Dec 30, 2005, 4:01pm, PsychoBitch wrote:I come here to assert myself in the face of stark opposition. I do like to read what men have to say too. I wear my feminism like a badge of honor and this forum is a great place to flaunt it.

The problem with you is that you are merely an asshole. You’re the type of woman this thread was meant to address.

scholarlee, upklhd, and Lydia1 aren’t in the same catagory as you. You just come here to practice being obnoxious.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Simpson on Dec 30, 2005, 6:48pm

I will defend scholarlee. Those silly little attacks against her are not based on her performance here, rather it is based on a contempt for something else, and youthful ignorance.

True female trolls are identified inside of 2 post around here and rarely last a month – just like in real life, women who post here have an expiration date. It takes an exceptional woman to last beyond a month.

What has impressed me is how we now think that it is parody when some woman posts here because it is the same shit over and over. “Fembot” has taken a whole new meaning to me now that I have seen at least a dozen trolls start with the same line of crap. Most women really do think alike.

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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by JimP on Dec 30, 2005, 6:52pm

Dec 30, 2005, 4:51pm, thechief wrote:While the third world may be an option for finding a mate, I’d avoid the truly desperate, hell hole third world–like the former Soviet states. Seems to me those girls would be less interested in marrying because she wants a good husband and family and more interested in marrying because she’s cold and hungry and doesn’t want to stand in line for hours to get basic consumer goods. Understandable in a way, really, but I wouldn’t want to be the guy who rescues her, gets her over here in America and then ends up divorced once she becomes accustomed to the (comparative) good life.

Chief,

You’re half right. If you’re talking about a small village in Russia where 98% of the women will have sex with you for a bar of chocolate, then yes, I agree. But Moscow is not Russia, and Kiev is not Ukraine. There are plenty of professional women in those cities that make 2-3 thousand dollars per month. And I’m not talking about working girls.

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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by thechief on Dec 30, 2005, 9:36pm

Personally, I like scholarlee. I’ve never found her presence here to be either disagreeable or as problematic in any way.

Oh yeah, Scholarlee is great. She’s certainly contributed more memorable dialogue to the board than this new-to-the-party Hyperion character who keeps attacking her.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Hyperion on Dec 30, 2005, 9:49pm

Dec 30, 2005, 9:36pm, thechief wrote:Oh yeah, Scholarlee is great. She’s certainly contributed more memorable dialogue to the board than this new-to-the-party Hyperion character who keeps attacking her.

Let me guess, you’re the one who just has to save the everywoman from herself?
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Simpson on Dec 30, 2005, 9:59pm

I’m with thechief, Hyperion, you’re a douchebag.

And when thechief and I agree, the stars must be totally out of alignment. So something is up.

Pick your battles carefully, Hyperion. When you are up to your ass in alligators, it is difficult to remember that your initial objective was to drain the swamp.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by scholarlee not logged in on Dec 31, 2005, 12:00am

hyperion – I’m 38 and chubby and still somehow by grace of god pretty happily partnered…what’s to save?

I am still curious as to how my presence “feminizes” y’all. I don’t think my presence here affects anyone’s behavior, does it?
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by AppleJack on Dec 31, 2005, 12:39am

Dec 31, 2005, 12:00am, scholarlee not logged in wrote:hyperion – I’m 38 and chubby and still somehow by grace of god pretty happily partnered…what’s to save?

I am still curious as to how my presence “feminizes” y’all. I don’t think my presence here affects anyone’s behavior, does it?

I don’t see why it would. You’re far from controversial and you don’t stir up the pot. Prior to this, the only complaints I’ve seen about you came from Jamie and her alter egos. You’re a good egg. Really.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by antiriad on Dec 31, 2005, 12:49am

I for one will side with Hyperion. It was shown in a study that women favor other women 4:1 over men, while men show no inherent favoritism to other men vs. women. This was posted on mancoat at least twice and I don’t feel like looking it up.

The reason why feminists are winning is precisely because of this. I won’t go as far as Hyperion goes – but sometimes you have to decide your battles and on occasion it boils down to more than just logic. The “logic” (of women being treated equal to men) is what got us into this mess in the first place.

And though I have nothing against scholarlee, I am simply not going to side with a woman against a man on this forum. I am drawing the line here. Sometimes what you believe is ultimately right must supersede immediate rationalizations.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by openeyes on Dec 31, 2005, 1:03am

While I actually enjoyed hyperion’s quoted piece on women’s unconscious testing of men, I see no reason to lower the quality of the board by losing Scholarlee or any other intelligent poster making an effort to build understanding.

Do we really want to be left with the multiple screen names of Jamie? Trolls can simply say they’re male antifeminists and stick around until they’re booted if they must register, while the civil posters would disappear.

I believe that, if anything, a good woman brings out a man’s masculinity, just as a strong man brings out a woman’s femininity (woman whose a bitch to everyone else softens up with the man who doesn’t put up with her crap, perhaps).
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by antiriad on Dec 31, 2005, 1:31am

Dec 31, 2005, 1:03am, openeyes wrote:While I actually enjoyed hyperion’s quoted piece on women’s unconscious testing of men, I see no reason to lower the quality of the board by losing Scholarlee or any other intelligent poster making an effort to build understanding.

Do we really want to be left with the multiple screen names of Jamie? Trolls can simply say they’re male antifeminists and stick around until they’re booted if they must register, while the civil posters would disappear.

I believe that, if anything, a good woman brings out a man’s masculinity, just as a strong man brings out a woman’s femininity (woman whose a bitch to everyone else softens up with the man who doesn’t put up with her crap, perhaps).

This logic was used when women got the vote. Look where it got us.

The hierarchy is: man > woman > child.

Therefore, men automatically and without hesitation look out after women’s interests. The converse is false.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Just a guy on Dec 31, 2005, 6:26am

Dec 30, 2005, 3:38pm, Lydia1 wrote:I come here to read the posts because I find them genuinely thought-provoking and interesting. I am also trying to learn how to be the best woman and girlfriend that I can be. I think here is a much better place to learn from they, say, the self-ritious, how-to-keep-your-man-on-a-short-leash ramblings of Cosmopolitain magazine. I direct my grrl-power friends here, to try and teach them a thing or two, and my boyfriend directs his friends here as well. I am sorry if I have caused anyone here disgruntlement, and will gladly stop posting if it is this boards wish. I didn’t mean to intrude, although I hope I will still be allowed to read the post, if not respond.

A fresh perspective is appreciated, stick around
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Just a guy on Dec 31, 2005, 6:27am

Dec 30, 2005, 4:01pm, PsychoBitch wrote:I come here to assert myself in the face of stark opposition. I do like to read what men have to say too. I wear my feminism like a badge of honor and this forum is a great place to flaunt it.

A closed mind is not. Go Away
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Hyperion on Dec 31, 2005, 7:29am

Dec 31, 2005, 12:00am, scholarlee not logged in wrote:hyperion – I’m 38 and chubby and still somehow by grace of god pretty happily partnered…what’s to save?

Let me guess, you just happen to the exception that negates the norm?

Quote:I am still curious as to how my presence “feminizes” y’all. I don’t think my presence here affects anyone’s behavior, does it?

I have a better idea, instead of asking everyman here to do the work of thinking for you, why don’t display some conscious thought and tell us?
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Hyperion on Dec 31, 2005, 7:39am

Alright,

I want to hear these great reasons as to why we “need” women around on sites like this.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Snakey on Dec 31, 2005, 8:37am

We don’t need em. I’m indifferent to the idea. I got nothing against Scholarlee because I skip past her posts. The idiot trolls, it could be argued they illustrate the point nicely. Again, I don’t care – they want to embarrass themselves, fine whatever.

If you’re from the ‘all is not yet lost’ school of belief, you want women around for credibility. If you’re of a more pessimistic persuasion, you think ‘fuck em’. Either way’s good.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Simpson on Dec 31, 2005, 9:56am

Dec 31, 2005, 7:39am, Hyperion wrote:Alright,

I want to hear these great reasons as to why we “need” women around on sites like this.

Plural – Sites? Let’s deal with just this site, OK? Campaign on the other sites as you wish, but here we deal with THIS site and only this site. Mancoat has it’s own flavor, AWS has it’s own flavor, Askmen has it’s own flavor . . . get my drift?

Here the focus is on not getting married to the wrong person. The female posters here are of two classes – good and bad. We need the bad to remind us of the crappola that we faced as individual males out in the real world when we were all alone, and the good remind us that it is not a total loss; that some women are sympathetic to our needs.

Hyperion – unless you are posting under another name, you are new here – what the fuck gives you the right to dance around here and tell us what to do with our site? Antiriad gets his say, and influences me, because he has been here and put forth his thoughts and feelings – he is an excellent poster and deserves respect. He fights the troll battle here with intelligent argument. You have not gained my respect noobie – why not? Because your a fucking want-to-be. Prove yourself dipshit, like Antiriad has done over and over, and I might consider your opinion.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Just a guy on Dec 31, 2005, 9:59am

Dec 31, 2005, 7:39am, Hyperion wrote:Alright,

I want to hear these great reasons as to why we “need” women around on sites like this.

Well, I believe women aren’t the enemy. Feminism is. If even one woman’s eyes can be opened to how biased the legal system has become, and why she can’t get a date. Then it’s worth it to put up with the trolls, and other crap. Also I have a 12yr old daughter. I get a lot out of seeing how the women who hang out here think.

It helps me deal with the never ending “Dad so and so’s mom is single I bet i could get you a date”…

I repeat some of what I see here to explain why I’m not interested. Hopefully it will also help me to ensure that she’ll grow up to appreciate men more than the generation before her, but I’m not banking on it.

I’m not saying that women should be here, just that I’ve found it enlightening.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Jamie on Dec 31, 2005, 10:14am

Just pointing out that I have never claimed to be a feminist (unlike psychobitch) -have been interested in the viewpoints of some of the men around here (agree with Lydia’s perspective, attempting to understand man’s view points, although not interested in exchanging recipes) and seriously question the institution of marriage, as stated many times before. I have a problem with the vehement “absolutes” here -that all AW are the way you present here. It’s just absurd. I tend to think similarly about AM (that they suck), then remind myself that there has to be some good out there, otherwise there is not much hope for relationships.

Please be advised, it takes a bit for a woman to understand how y’all think and communicate your views.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Simpson on Dec 31, 2005, 11:13am

The only one saying “all” women is you Jamie. Do you know what begging the question is?

Now get us all another beer, and make me a sandwich.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by JimP on Dec 31, 2005, 11:41am

Dec 31, 2005, 9:59am, Just a guy wrote:Well, I believe women aren’t the enemy. Feminism is.

No, you’ve got it exactly back-wards. Feminism isn’t a problem. Women are. Real feminism is actually really bad for women, and the women that call themselves feminists are all clueless brainwashed idiots that don’t understand anything about what they’re really saying.

Feminism as it exists today in America is just a concept that women use to manipulate the political system to extract benefits from the Government at men’s expense in the form of VAWA, divorce laws, sexual harassment laws, child-support laws, anti-discrimination laws, etc. ad nauseum…

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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by GuestWill on Dec 31, 2005, 12:59pm

I tend to think similarly about AM (that they suck), then remind myself that there has to be some good out there, otherwise there is not much hope for relationships.

American women are the biggest hypocrites. On paper, they want a “nice guy” (i.e. respectful of women, financially secure, has a job, isn’t in jail, is mentally sane, etc). In reality, what they respond to are the bad boys….rebels who defy society and societal conventions.

Quit whining about American men……American women use nice guys. When an American woman doesn’t have a date, she has nice guy take her out for dinner. What does he get in return? Zippo.

When a woman turns out a date at a fancy restaurant with a guy she has no interest in, she will be the first woman to do so.

Treat a woman like dirt and she’ll stick like mud!
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Jamie on Dec 31, 2005, 1:31pm

Well Hyperion, you are correct – women should not be here – Read what I wrote and read Simpsons and GuestWill’s response. The people of this site – in general – are not interested in discussion with females – most have totally written them off for good.

When there is a genuine reaching out between the sexes regarding the marriage issue, it doesn’t matter- most here just dismiss you because you are female, unless you are scholar, who practically describes herself as a troll, in terms of looks and communicates in a male like manner. Different points of view are not welcome.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by GuestWill on Dec 31, 2005, 1:52pm

Dec 31, 2005, 1:31pm, Jamie wrote:

Well Hyperion, you are correct – women should not be here – Read what I wrote and read Simpsons and GuestWill’s response. The people of this site – in general – are not interested in discussion with females – most have totally written them off for good.

When there is a genuine reaching out between the sexes regarding the marriage issue, it doesn’t matter- most here just dismiss you because you are female, unless you are scholar, who practically describes herself as a troll, in terms of looks and communicates in a male like manner. Different points of view are not welcome.

Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words.

When I was in my early 20s, I didn’t understand women. I am a smart guy but am also good looking. Back then, I figured…I am a good catch…I will put my cards on the table and find a reasonably attractive woman with integrity. IT didn’t happen….those 7s thought they could get 9s, and they are now single begging for me to go out with them.

In my late 20s, I put on the bad boy facade to get laid…it worked, but it was also boring being an actor.

Now that I am in my early 30s, I care about my hobbies, getting ready to retire at 45, and doing what interests me. I have sex when I want to…..it’s easy…indifference towards women is what attracts them, and when you act nonchalant with them, they get confused and keep coming back for more.

Why would I get married at 32? I am having too much fun being single and having random hookups with hot little numbers in their early to mid 20s? When a woman in her early 30s starts talking to me, I just laugh. Whena woman in her early 30s who has kids, I shame her. WHere’s dad? In jaiL?
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by JimP on Dec 31, 2005, 2:18pm

Dec 31, 2005, 1:31pm, Jamie wrote:

Well Hyperion, you are correct – women should not be here – Read what I wrote and read Simpsons and GuestWill’s response. The people of this site – in general – are not interested in discussion with females – most have totally written them off for good.

When there is a genuine reaching out between the sexes regarding the marriage issue, it doesn’t matter- most here just dismiss you because you are female, unless you are scholar, who practically describes herself as a troll, in terms of looks and communicates in a male like manner. Different points of view are not welcome.

Jamie, I don’t quite understand what “reaching out” you’re referring to.

Women in this country have successfully formed a multitude of special interest groups all lobbying the government under the umbrella of feminism for favors. Thus we get laws such as VAWA, or child support to the tune of $40K per month.

The purpose of this board is to try to educate men about what’s going on and how the rules of the game have changed as a result of all the lobbying efforts by women over the last 30-40 years.

Rather than seeing feminism for what it is, a lobbying technique, many women actually listen to what people that label themselves “feminist” say, and wind up wrecking their-own lives. An example of this would be not marrying until you’re 35 and then suddenly realizing that you can’t find a husband.

Should we, men, care about these women? I personally couldn’t care less.

So what value can you add to the discussion, pray tell?

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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Jamie on Dec 31, 2005, 2:40pm

Didn’t say I added value – said I was interested in hearing what you had to say (like Lydia)… I’ve learned a lot about what is happening with the divorce laws from here, and how men feel. That is valuable. It gives women the other side – helping further your viewpoint. I’ve told many people about the site, both men and women. Yet, many here just fight most women, some of which are genuinely trying to understand the viewpoint -and still, many men here just push away. I find that strange and counterproductive to further your message.

I have been divorced and did not have a disastrous experience, nor did my es – we did not fight about money, or valuables and divided it up equally. I gave him the diamond back (yes, many women thought I was nuts – I just felt it was the right thing to do). It was a short marriage, no children – there wasn’t a lot to fight about. We filed the paperwork together, without a lawyer. Painful times for both of us, but didn’t have this nightmare experience of ruining his life, or mine.

Also, many of the complaints men have about AW – comparisons can be made to male behavior (player mentality, men that only like bitches, only want sex, abusive verbally, physically, emotionally, selfish…..etc…). It just becomes a vicious circle of who started the poor behavior. It’s just silly. The discussion of the laws and marriage, great. But the consistent bashing and writing off of western women seems counterproductive – as it is for feminists to have written off all men. Does it take a woman to explain this over and over?

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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by chrisw79 on Dec 31, 2005, 2:49pm

You know Jamie, I’ve been getting badgered by a woman I know with this same line of BS. “Quick, tell him things that are bad about men, so he can’t continue without sounding like an asshole!” You know what I say to that?

Logical Fallacy. Straw Man. Argument invalid.

Nobody here’s going to argue about those men who do behave badly. But nobody here’s going to let such a stigma be attached to them either. That’s all I’ll say to that.

As for the RELEVANT topic (I keep wondering, wasn’t this the same Jamie firmly entrenched in histrionics the other day?), I’ve never had a problem with someone who wants to honestly improve themselves, like scholarlee. Looks? Don’t care. This is a MESSAGE board, and we’re trying to educate others. Let’s stick to the education.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Hard Edge on Dec 31, 2005, 2:55pm

The problem is not feminism.

The problem is not even women.

The problem is women with insufficient controls placed upon them.

What we are witness to is raw female behavior, absent any significant control.

And it’s not going away – until significant controls are re-imposed on women.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by JimP on Dec 31, 2005, 3:08pm

Jamie,

Let me try to explain it in simple terms that even you can understand. The reason why the vast majority of American Women are so awful is that there are no consequences to bad behavior. If you got rid of the highway police, would people start speeding? Of course. Same with American Women. They’re awful in general because they’re allowed to be.

And at the end of the day the thing that allows the women to behave this way are the advantages they have that they’ve lobbied for.

OK, you’ve gone through a divorce without screwing your husband over. Fine. That’s not the point. The point is that you could have if you wanted to. You could have called the police and told them he abused you. You could have kept the ring. You could have sued him for alimony. What could he have done to you? NOTHING.

And that’s the point. The fact that American women CAN IF THEY CHOOSE TO fuck American men over in a multitude of ways, but men, when being fucked in the ass by a woman, have no options other than to bend over more and open up wider causes American Women to be the worst women in the world.

Women are not born evil. Living in America makes them so.

Are there some good American women? Maybe a few. But life is too short to sort through 50 crazy bitches just to find 1 decent person for which 10 other guys will be competing like crazy.

I’d rather go to Eastern Europe, take 5 girls to a sauna, tell them that two of them can have me as a boyfriend, and have them get into a physical fight over me.

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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by GuestWill on Dec 31, 2005, 3:09pm

But the consistent bashing and writing off of western women seems counterproductive – as it is for feminists to have written off all men. Does it take a woman to explain this over and over?

Feminists write off men whey they are climbing the corporate ladder. etc., thinking that power/career is what they want.

And then when the maternal instinct kicks in during their early 30s/mid 30s, they come running to good guys looking for kids, the big house, a guy who is willing to work 70 hours/week for her and the kiddies.

Sorry ladies, the game is up. We don’t take your BS anymore. We know your manipulative techniques, your illogical thinking, how you can rationalize poor decisions.

Bottom line: American women (including the way the divorce courts and custody cases are handled) are too expensive. As a result, we aren’t buying. We are now permanently renting.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Simpson on Dec 31, 2005, 3:19pm

Dec 31, 2005, 2:49pm, chrisw79 wrote:You know Jamie, I’ve been getting badgered by a woman I know with this same line of BS. “Quick, tell him things that are bad about men, so he can’t continue without sounding like an asshole!” You know what I say to that?

Logical Fallacy. Straw Man. Argument invalid.

Nobody here’s going to argue about those men who do behave badly. But nobody here’s going to let such a stigma be attached to them either. That’s all I’ll say to that.

As for the RELEVANT topic (I keep wondering, wasn’t this the same Jamie firmly entrenched in histrionics the other day?), I’ve never had a problem with someone who wants to honestly improve themselves, like scholarlee. Looks? Don’t care. This is a MESSAGE board, and we’re trying to educate others. Let’s stick to the education.

Spot on Chris. Histrionic Jamie trolls for trouble and a fight routinely under the guise of “discussion”. She may be divorced, but what the fuck for? Remember we only hear her version of the story and her ex could tell us something completely different. She adds nothing to the forum other than her self-center attention whoring posts. She exemplifies the problem.

Scholarlee, Lydia and Upkhld (sp?) each offer tidbits from a woman’s perspective routinely and I don’t give a rat’s ass what they look like – they offer good dialog here in a way that reflects the male orientation of this forum and I welcome them. Jamie, on the other hand, throws gas on the fire and complains about the heat.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by rule on Dec 31, 2005, 6:20pm

Dec 30, 2005, 5:28pm, IndependantBlackMan wrote:Great field reports King Karan. BTW, does anyone know about Armenia and Turkmenistan? I’d like to go to both as I’ve heard very good things.

I met an awesome Armenian woman while in Prague a few months ago. We are staying in touch via email. One of these days I’ll make it back to Prague. I don’t know much about the Armenian culture, except that it is a small country, very Christian and if the women look anything like her, it is worth a visit.

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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by rule on Dec 31, 2005, 6:30pm

By the way, I take great exception to Jamie saying that all the men on this board have written off women. On the contrary, I have written off American, British, Aussie and Canadian women. That leaves about 2 Billion women out there.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by knighterrant on Dec 31, 2005, 6:34pm

Written off women? I don’t think so.

I’ve just radically readjusted my perception of them.

As in, MEN get work done, WOMEN bitch
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Jamie on Dec 31, 2005, 6:41pm

Rule – I take great exception to you saying I said the men of this board have written off all women – I did not say “all” – I don’t speak in absolutes. Just silly.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Jamie on Dec 31, 2005, 7:07pm

Furthermore, as the superior intelligence on this board, I’m not taking any shit from the so called “men” who post here. You guys think you’ve got it all figured out but you don’t. The fact is, women are in charge now and we’ve earned it.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by rule on Dec 31, 2005, 7:31pm

I hope the others see the contradiction in Jamie’s last two posts.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by modi on Dec 31, 2005, 8:52pm

Dec 31, 2005, 7:31pm, rule wrote:I hope the others see the contradiction in Jamie’s last two posts.

Like a 120,000,000w bulb in a lighthouse.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by LightningAura on Jan 1, 2006, 12:13am

Dec 31, 2005, 7:07pm, Jamie wrote:Furthermore, as the superior intelligence on this board, I’m not taking any shit from the so called “men” who post here. You guys think you’ve got it all figured out but you don’t. The fact is, women are in charge now and we’ve earned it.

Superior intelligence on the board??? Superior lack of intelligence I guess. If women are in charge then why do you gals complain about the glass ceiling and pay differences all the time. The extent of your power is given by lobbying political parties with pure nonsense.

Of course we dont have it all figured out, neither do you. Luckily we have enough figured out to avoid fembots.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by travis on Jan 1, 2006, 12:15am

Heh, if women are in charge then we should blame the shitty conditions of New Orleans on them. Hmmm, wasn’t the governor a female anyway?
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by sirlancelot on Jan 1, 2006, 8:24am

Every single thing women have “achieved” has been on the backs of men.

Affirmative action, anti-male employment and divorce court legislation…it’s all thanks to chivalrous mangina men, and those men are dying out. We’re in charge now, us men who don’t fall for women’s stupid shaming tactics and manipulation. We may not be the ones in power or making laws, but we’re the ones who are changing society in a massive way by refusing to marry in vast numbers and not putting up with women’s shit. Women can have all the fancy job-titles they like and go on about how superior they are until they’re blue in the face, the fact is that, once the majority of men have decided not to put up with women’s shit, women will just be utterly and completely fucked.

I’d hate to be a woman in this day and age. Sure, they’ve got all the laws in their favour and they’re worshiped as perfect by Hollyweird and mangina men, but they’re in for a big fall very soon. They’re going to realise just much their comfortable lives depended on the rapidly diminishing number of men who put up with their crap.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Snakey on Jan 1, 2006, 10:24am

Sure Jamie, you’re in charge of a sinking ship. Think that party will last long you stupid bitch?
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by knighterrant on Jan 1, 2006, 10:27am

Jamie’s about to realise the captain goes down with the ship
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Disconnect on Jan 1, 2006, 8:27pm

Hi.

Women in charge of what? Jaime, you have only as much power over men as we let you have. The obscene shift in man-woman equality was allowed partially because of the contributing manginas, and partially because of our ignorance of the changing system. All we have to do is catch up, and alot of us are already on the same page – this site is a wonderful testimony to the imminent backlash. Sit back and enjoy.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by antiriad on Jan 1, 2006, 9:51pm

Dec 31, 2005, 1:31pm, Jamie wrote:

Well Hyperion, you are correct – women should not be here – Read what I wrote and read Simpsons and GuestWill’s response. The people of this site – in general – are not interested in discussion with females – most have totally written them off for good.

When there is a genuine reaching out between the sexes regarding the marriage issue, it doesn’t matter- most here just dismiss you because you are female, unless you are scholar, who practically describes herself as a troll, in terms of looks and communicates in a male like manner. Different points of view are not welcome.

Ha ha ha that’s funny Jamie. Apparently, attempting to be objective and logical means “communicating in a male like manner.”

No wonder your viewpoint is irrelevant here. Objective thought and logic are the basis of constructive thinking. Either you adhere to those norms, or you’re just spewing psycho-babble.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by antiriad on Jan 1, 2006, 9:58pm

Dec 31, 2005, 7:07pm, Jamie wrote:Furthermore, as the superior intelligence on this board, I’m not taking any shit from the so called “men” who post here. You guys think you’ve got it all figured out but you don’t. The fact is, women are in charge now and we’ve earned it.

Wrong.

The fact is, men are (and will continue to be) in charge – career politicians, namely, who enrich themselves at the detriment of all other men.

What you fail to apprehend is that socialism enslaves everybody equally. Soon there will be enough dissent from men’s rights groups that politicians will start listening to them as well. They don’t give a shit about your sex or the color of your skin. All they care about is money and power – and you, too, will soon be on the receiving end, getting sent to rape camp for minor infractions.

That you are unable to comprehend this simple fact demonstrates quite convincingly that you are anything but a “superior intellect” on this forum.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by TyHigs on Jan 2, 2006, 12:44am

Jan 1, 2006, 9:58pm, antiriad wrote:
Dec 31, 2005, 7:07pm, Jamie wrote:Furthermore, as the superior intelligence on this board, I’m not taking any shit from the so called “men” who post here. You guys think you’ve got it all figured out but you don’t. The fact is, women are in charge now and we’ve earned it.

Wrong.

The fact is, men are (and will continue to be) in charge – career politicians, namely, who enrich themselves at the detriment of all other men.

What you fail to apprehend is that socialism enslaves everybody equally. Soon there will be enough dissent from men’s rights groups that politicians will start listening to them as well. They don’t give a shit about your sex or the color of your skin. All they care about is money and power – and you, too, will soon be on the receiving end, getting sent to rape camp for minor infractions.

That you are unable to comprehend this simple fact demonstrates quite convincingly that you are anything but a “superior intellect” on this forum.

Like many women who ally with us, she may not feel any pain until her brother, future son, close cousin/friend or father (thru step mother) goes through an intense assraping. Even then, I bet those women have more inherently male traits than any bitch who would think like Jaime.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Jamie on Jan 2, 2006, 7:19am

Ummmm – this board has now proven itself to be the bunch of shit it is – because I did not post those last two statements you. I DID NOT POST THAT STATEMENT ABOUT SUPERIOR INTELLIGENCE AND IT IS SUPREMELY CLEAR THAT MOST MEN HERE JUST HATE, PERIOD, YOU’RE JUST HATERS.

The questioning marriage laws is legitimate- but the rest here is just bullshit. If it wasn’t – there wouldn’t be people posting under other people’s names just to promote their own agenda. That just makes this site illegitimate and a pack of lies. Good job fellas, you’re just brilliant.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Jamie on Jan 2, 2006, 7:21am

Correction -

The posts are mine except the one about superior intelligence. I DID NOT SAY THAT – BUT YOU’RE DOING A GOOD JOB OF SHOWING YOUR INFERIOR INTELLIGENCE BOYS.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Jamie on Jan 2, 2006, 7:24am

If you’re going to post under someone elses name – then you just ruin this site. Good job, fellas – thanks!
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Jamie on Jan 2, 2006, 7:32am

Pardon my misspelling – and tough shit- I’m tired and just typing because I’m pissed and sick of the lies and poor behavior of SOME of the men here. No woman would post under someone elses name – such manly, bullshit behavior. Bunch of crap. Oh, and really MATURE.

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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Snakey on Jan 2, 2006, 8:13am

Then go away you stupid bitch. Who do you think is impressed by your histrionics? You’re merely proving yourself mentally unstable and not-too-bright. What kind of idiot comes to a site to insult everyone and then claim to be harassed? You’re a moron, straight up, and you’ve been reminded of it, hence your emotional rants. A sane person would have left long ago, but there’s that pathological need for attention otherwise lacking in your life. You claim to be a feminist but know nothing about the subject, you grasp only the very basics of the more substantive issues discussed here. You have read no feminist authors, attended no feminist schools – it’s just a badge for this attention you crave. Negative, positive, doesn’t matter what kind – negative attention however is a bigger payload, easier to get, which is why you’re here seeking it so desperately. You’re actually a pitiful figure, all jokes about your appearance aside. Assuming you are attractive, it won’t last long anyway, so where’s your comfort there? Compare a the looks of a woman 3 years younger than you to a woman 3 years older than you, and you will see my point.

You can start over with a new nickname and try to be polite, no one will ever know. But you won’t. You need that male attention in any form, even abuse in text on a messageboard from strangers who will be glad never to make your acquaintance in life. You are a sad, sad spectacle.

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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Jamie on Jan 2, 2006, 9:04am

You ass – I’ve claimed over and over that I’m not a Feminist. And you fellas show over and over what assholes you really are. If you weren’t attention craving and just a hater – you would know that – but no, you’re just an asshole.
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Jamie = good cheap entertainment
Post by Riskbreaker on Jan 2, 2006, 9:48am

*Grabs some beer and popcorn.

Hey, Niall, you wanted a Sam Adams, right? While scholarlee and thechief are cooking up a snack for everyone, we’ll just watch “Delusional Theatre” with Jamie as the star.

Which personality will she post as?

PMS Jamie, with loud ranting?
Childlike Jamie, with whining and belittling insults?
Estrogen Jamie, with nagging and female logic included
or
Good cop/bad cop Jamie – a lit stick of dynamite waiting to explode in female fury…grrrl power?

Gotta admit, if someone IS copying her, you figured her out to a tee. She came here to play, she plays by our rules…and we play dirty.

Hey, scholarlee, those ribs, brats, homebrew, salad, and sandwiches ready? I think Jamie is taking a break and we’re drained from laughing so much at her.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Jamie on Jan 2, 2006, 9:50am

hey idiot – why don’t you read my first few posts on this thread – the ones I did post – and then go fuck yourself, which is what you will be doing for the rest of your life.

There’s no legitimate discussion here – just a big circle jerk.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Snakey on Jan 2, 2006, 10:29am

Good then you won’t be needing the site any longer. Door, ass, way out, etc.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by antiriad on Jan 2, 2006, 10:55am

Jan 2, 2006, 9:50am, Jamie wrote:
There’s no legitimate discussion here – just a big circle jerk.

Then why are you here?

Answer the question, Jamie – why are you here?
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Jamie on Jan 2, 2006, 2:56pm

Jan 2, 2006, 10:55am, antiriad wrote:
Jan 2, 2006, 9:50am, Jamie wrote:
There’s no legitimate discussion here – just a big circle jerk.

Then why are you here?

Answer the question, Jamie – why are you here?

I came here for answers – DICKHEAD – as I pointed out when I first started posting here – DOUCHEBAG – like you don’t remember.

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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by antiriad on Jan 2, 2006, 3:44pm

Jan 2, 2006, 2:56pm, Jamie wrote:
Jan 2, 2006, 10:55am, antiriad wrote:

Then why are you here?

Answer the question, Jamie – why are you here?

I came here for answers – DICKHEAD – as I pointed out when I first started posting here – DOUCHEBAG – like you don’t remember.

Do you speak English?

I didn’t say why did you come.

I said: why are you here?
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Girl on Jan 2, 2006, 3:56pm

Well again, someone posted under my name – I was not on the computer at 256 pm – in a movie. And I answered the question in previous posts on this thread. But since there is no validity here, and this place is a constant circle jerk – then none of it matters. Oh, I neglected to say that I’m here to vent about American men and what pricks they are.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by toadman on Jan 2, 2006, 4:10pm

Then do us all a favor and go away never to return.

Nevermind, you need adversarial drama in your life to give it some meaning, hence you book-marked the forum. Aren’t the cats getting hungry?
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by antiriad on Jan 2, 2006, 4:13pm

Jan 2, 2006, 3:56pm, Girl wrote:
Well again, someone posted under my name – I was not on the computer at 256 pm – in a movie. And I answered the question in previous posts on this thread. But since there is no validity here, and this place is a constant circle jerk – then none of it matters. Oh, I neglected to say that I’m here to vent about American men and what pricks they are.

You seem to not get it, Jamie.

Nobody here cares about your opinion. You are the laughing stock of this forum – and not in a good way. How can I illustrate this to you -

If this site was about Pulp Fiction, you would be the gimp.
If this site was about Star Trek, you would be the security guard in a red uniform who gets shot at in the beginning of every episode and nobody even gives a shit.

You are the outsider, the white trash loser (A.K.A. “modern, liberated, western womyn”) who exhibits every bad quality discussed on this forum. Your presence here – believe it or not – does nothing else but exemplify every point ever made here.

You are a loser, Jamie. You can vent all you want here and it changes nothing because everybody looks down on you.

You are the person whom everybody has no problem making fun of while retaining a clear conscience. That is how little respect you have earned for yourself here. You are nothing, a nobody, a non-entity here.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Jamie on Jan 2, 2006, 4:15pm

Jan 2, 2006, 3:56pm, Girl wrote:
Well again, someone posted under my name – I was not on the computer at 256 pm – in a movie. And I answered the question in previous posts on this thread. But since there is no validity here, and this place is a constant cirlce jerk – then none of it matters. Oh, I neglected to say that I’m here to vent about American men and what pricks they are.

That isn’t me – one of you shitheads is posting under my name again. Go jerk off your TINY DICK!
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by RazorMC on Jan 2, 2006, 4:47pm

Oh yeah, that’s right. Calling everyone shitheads will get us to believe you.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Citadel on Jan 2, 2006, 5:13pm

Good evening, a question for the LADIES (I don’t know if you’re really women or just guys masquerading as women, Jamie, Girl. But even if you’re gay guys pretending to be women, that’s cool, your answers will basically reflect a woman’s answers anyway).

At any rate, here’s my question for you: What exactly do you want by coming to this website?
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Simpson on Jan 2, 2006, 5:36pm

Jamie, if you took the time to register, and log in . . . oh that would be too simple a fix. Logical, too.

Damn that food smells good, I’ll have me a Heineken and join you men.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by Riskbreaker on Jan 2, 2006, 11:52pm

Nice and perfectly chilled, just for you.

Granted thechief may have his mangina moments, but he can throw down on a steak. Wonder who made the salad, it was good, just needed some more romaine lettuce.

So, let’s review.

Act 1: Jamie as a multiple personality with all of them battling to break free.
Act 2: Jamie as a liar and the innocent victim.
Act 3: Jamie as a shame tactic dom queen.

So, she’s already insulted our penis size (she can, since her vagina, mouth and anus have been stretched to it’s limits by all the inputs they’ve received. I’m willing to bet she has enough sperm stored in her orifices to run her own sperm bank), our intelligence (since she has none, she seems to think we need to stoop to her level), our site (it this site is so ‘bad’, then why post or feel the need to defend your ‘good name’) and our purpose as men (happily ignoring the fact that 99.99% of the things she uses were created by MEN), what else can she attack? Our wives, our jobs, our kids, what?

You’re outta ammo kid, you’re drawing blanks and you’re still gonna have an expiration date.

I recommend you join the C&C club now…save yourself some time.

Oh, yeah, keep acting…you’re MUCH more entertaining than ‘Citadel’ and his/her pro male femlogic and PB’s ‘threat’ to take over the site. You really are just a little child performing for the adults.

Pass the popcorn, antiriad. This show is getting interesting.
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Re: Whats the point of women coming here?
Post by uzername on Jan 3, 2006, 6:49am

Who cares about a persons gender? Its the content of their contributions that count. Some women make very good ones and some men make very lame ones.

Balls to shooting messangers because they are wearing the ‘wrong’ colours.
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