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Dr. Phil’s crap advice
Post by Ricky Martin on Dec 12, 2005, 2:35pm

I don’t know if any of you have seen this episode about couples fighting, but, I saw it yesterday and I think Dr. Phil is an idiot. There was this couple who had been married “less than a year” and the wife fought with him constantly and about everything, also, any little thing he did set her off for another marathon fight… in fact, I am surprised the guy put up with this bitch.

Dr. Phil as usual, instead of calling her for what she was, an unstable, PMS suffering, crazy BITCH… did NOTHING. He instead focused on what the husband had to say to diffuse the situation so that they may ‘communicate’ better! WTF!!! Just tell the poor guy to dump this psycho bitch and get himself a sane woman from overseas!!! Anyway, I guess if that is how most marriages are today, I prefer to be single, you live better, rather than being treated like a kid and lisstening to endless complaints, nagging and fights about nothing.

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Re: Dr. phil’s crap advice
Post by Laid Back dude on Dec 12, 2005, 2:38pm

As much as I disagree with Dr. Phil’s crappy advice, I’m going to give him some props. At least he’s trying to help out, we shouldn’t put down people who are sufferring, we should help em out and give them a glimpse of hope.
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Re: Dr. phil’s crap advice
Post by Ricky Martin on Dec 12, 2005, 2:53pm

But that women was beyond help, her personality and nature was argumentative and angry, you can’t change things like this. It is like buying a Hi-Fi sytem that turns out to be faulty, you could send it to be repaired or just get a new replacemrnt that works, less hassle. Dr. Phil advice sucks.
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Re: Dr. phil’s crap advice
Post by Guest on Dec 12, 2005, 2:58pm

Dr Phil is brilliant becuase he caters to a womens market (as any sane capitalist should do) and tells them what they want to hear in order to make serious bank. He may or may not (prob the latter) beleive his line of bullshit as what should actually be done, but at the end of the day all he cares about is his bankroll. Genius.
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Re: Dr. phil’s crap advice
Post by openeyes on Dec 12, 2005, 3:00pm

If there are significant problems within the first year already, there is indeed a communication problem on the man’s part: he needs to be communicating with an attorney.
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Re: Dr. phil’s crap advice
Post by upklhd on Dec 12, 2005, 3:02pm

Openeyes,

LOL…love your new avatar!
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Re: Dr. phil’s crap advice
Post by Ricky Martin on Dec 12, 2005, 3:07pm

Openeyes, that is a funny Rambo mouse, is that from a movie? where did you get it from?, I want one too!
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Re: Dr. phil’s crap advice
Post by thechief on Dec 12, 2005, 3:09pm

My psychobitch ex-wife started showing signs of psychobitchery BEFORE we were married. I was young (22) and stupid and thought things would get better, or at least that she was the default–all women everywhere were that way. I also believed that this was the overhead you had to pay, the thing you had to put up with in order to be married. And that being married in itself would somehow be worth it.

If I knew then what I know now….
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Re: Dr. phil’s crap advice
Post by openeyes on Dec 12, 2005, 3:15pm

Dec 12, 2005, 3:07pm, Ricky Martin wrote:Openeyes, that is a funny Rambo mouse, is that from a movie? where did you get it from?, I want one too!

I’m not sure on which site I originally found Rambo cat, but see that it’s also available here:

http://www.sick-humor.com/content/6183.html
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Re: Dr. phil’s crap advice
Post by Niall NLIT on Dec 12, 2005, 3:41pm

I too have a sneaking suspicion that Dr. Phil does not believe any of the mindless mangina shit he puts out on TV, he’s just cashing in on an obvious market.
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Re: Dr. phil’s crap advice
Post by JKGUEST on Dec 12, 2005, 3:56pm

Dec 12, 2005, 3:09pm, thechief wrote:My psychobitch ex-wife started showing signs of psychobitchery BEFORE we were married. I was young (22) and stupid and thought things would get better, or at least that she was the default–all women everywhere were that way. I also believed that this was the overhead you had to pay, the thing you had to put up with in order to be married. And that being married in itself would somehow be worth it.

If I knew then what I know now….

I agree with you. I’ve been accused of not communicating, of shutting down on past girlfriend’s when they go into psycho mode. I too started to believe that maybe this is just how it is when I was thinking about marrying my last GF. One day I woke up , went about my business on my own and thought, there’s something wrong when we have to accept this behavior just for the sake of being married. I have friends and family who are absolutely miserable and do nothing but strive to make their wifes happy just for the sake of maintaining some sort of peace in the household…more often than not its’ temporary as some are now divorced and broke. How did things get so far? Women need to wake up.

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Re: Dr. phil’s crap advice
Post by chrisvet on Dec 12, 2005, 4:21pm

Dec 12, 2005, 2:38pm, Laid Back dude wrote:
As much as I disagree with Dr. Phil’s crappy advice, I’m going to give him some props. At least he’s trying to help out, we shouldn’t put down people who are sufferring, we should help em out and give them a glimpse of hope.

He’s not trying to help out. He’s catering to a female audience who incidentally control the media.

Why? 80% of consumer purchases are made by women, thus advertisers, programing, news, all MUST build women up in a positive light to KEEP them as VIEWERS.

Every episode I’ve overheard is ALL or if not then in PART about shifting the blame on men.

He is NOT our friend – NOT in the least.

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Re: Dr. phil’s crap advice
Post by TyHigs on Dec 12, 2005, 5:51pm

It is too bad that women see being feminine, submissive, agreeable and cooperative as weaknesses. To prove they are strong, equal and independent, they want the man to bend over backwards to please their every whim; they want to argue constantly; and the price if the man doesnt give in? Well it’s a constant painful emotional state through ENDLESS harassment, bitching, nagging and shaming (Emotional Terrorism).

Yes, women truly are equals. Or maybe we should have left them in their proper place instead of listening to their every demand. Because in reality women can never be happy.
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Re: Dr. phil’s crap advice
Post by khankrumthebulgar on Dec 12, 2005, 6:10pm

Dr. Phil is an idiot. When I went to counseling with my psycho Second wife she stopped going when the Female Counselor told her things she did not want to hear. The Counselor told me “She has unrealistic expectations. What disturbs me more than anything else is you are here and she is not. I would advise you to consider this. P when confronted with the facts could not handle the truth could she? This will not get any better. Sooner or later you will have to come to the conclusion yourself that she can never be pleased or reasoned with.”

Our final blow up I accused her of emotional terrorism and being emotionally abusive for years. She actually acknowledged that truth. And I told her when we got together I would not put up with a control freak. If she could not respect me, or be civil to me, I preferred to be alone. We seperated I filed. Nuts to that shit. Men have got to stop putting up with this bull shit from our Women.

By not calling the Woman on her behavior Dr. Phil has in effect excused, justified, and enabled the behavior to continue. And since his program is intended to justify Women’s behavior and bash Men I would tell Dr. Phil to stuff it. I would tell the guy to get his balls out of his tormentors purse and find a Divorce Lawyer, Cut his losses early. This will not get better. Women’s behavior only gets worse over time. And if you don’t stand up for yourself they see you as a wimp and a doormat.

Been a nice guy once my first marriage. Second time around I wised up. Refused to put up with her shit. Finally ended it on my terms not hers. Gents especially you younger ones the sad and harsh reality is Women are looking for the green light to do as they please. When a Mangina enables that it is like feeding a cancer. Starve it and it will die, feed it and it will grow. Men want Power, Women want love. Marriage works when a Woman respects a man and voluntarily surrenders Power in exchange for love.

Women who want to be in charge wear strap ons. It is contrary to Men’s nature to be submissive. When we are, Women lose respect for us, despite what they say. Ignore what Women say, watch what their actions are. They say they want decent Men, then screw dominant, aggressive Bad Boys. Cheat on decent Husbands and run off with Biker Bob, or Dirty Dick Parker.

The social mores in the past used shame and ridicule to hold Women’s destructive emotionally driven impulses in check before it destroyed the culture. Those mores are gone. There is no longer anything that holds Women accountable, or that restrains their behavior.

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Re: Dr. phil’s crap advice
Post by HappilyUNmarried on Dec 12, 2005, 6:35pm

Dec 12, 2005, 2:58pm, Guest wrote:Dr Phil is brilliant becuase he caters to a womens market (as any sane capitalist should do) and tells them what they want to hear in order to make serious bank. He may or may not (prob the latter) beleive his line of bullshit as what should actually be done, but at the end of the day all he cares about is his bankroll. Genius.

Exactly!
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Re: Dr. phil’s crap advice
Post by antiriad on Dec 12, 2005, 6:51pm

Dec 12, 2005, 3:56pm, JKGUEST wrote:Women need to wake up.

Women as a group are incapable of causal logic and reason.

“Woman is a violent and uncontrolled animal and it is useless to let go the reins and not expect her to kick over the traces” is a phrase that is just as true today as it was 2,700 years ago when it was coined by Cato the Elder.

Women follow their absurd, irrational, hysterical whims and destroy everything around them in the process. In the history of mankind, women have presented problems, NEVER solutions (to any problem). But since we exist in a collectivist society where the majority (i.e. women: 52%) is able to terrorize the minority (men: 48%) and the system fully supports their histrionics and impulsive behavior through increasingly anti-male and destructive laws, it is men who must therefore wise up. They are the ones who must not get married, who must see to it that they don’t have children, who can thus bring the system to its knees by refusing to provide the infrastructure (which men are 99% responsible for) which oppresses them in the first place. It will be the coldest day in hell when you can expect women to “wake up.”
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Re: Dr. phil’s crap advice
Post by SumYungGi on Dec 12, 2005, 8:51pm

The more I hear about spoiled women the more I think that being happy is an act of strength. Yes, it takes discipline to be happy. Notice how A-list movie stars become addicts and destroy their lives? It’s the same thing. Being told ‘yes’ all the time makes one weak and incapable of dealing with the harsh side of reality, such as the way our emotions crave what we don’t have. (Modern) Women can’t keep that craving in check without a little help.
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Re: Dr. phil’s crap advice
Post by visiting on Dec 12, 2005, 9:15pm

Dec 12, 2005, 8:51pm, SumYungGi wrote:The more I hear about spoiled women the more I think that being happy is an act of strength. Yes, it takes discipline to be happy. Notice how A-list movie stars become addicts and destroy their lives? It’s the same thing. Being told ‘yes’ all the time makes one weak and incapable of dealing with the harsh side of reality, such as the way our emotions crave what we don’t have. (Modern) Women can’t keep that craving in check without a little help.

Yes, I agree. I spoiled my last GF. Without a doubt. Gifts, dinners, love notes, flowers, etc. When she came to expect more, in the way of financial help, that’s where I drew the line. While we were together, she didnt have to spend a dime. So I was damned if I was going to pay her rent and her car payment because she pissed her money away on shoes and other worthless crap. Eventually she came to hate me, she said that she needed to find a real man who would make the impossible come true. How can you even reason or argue with a woman who honestly believes that a prince on a white horse is just waiting to save the day?
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Re: Dr. phil’s crap advice
Post by GuestWill on Dec 12, 2005, 9:49pm

How can you even reasn or argue with a woman who honestly believes that a prince on a white horse is just waiting to save the day?

You don’t reason with that. And you definitely don’t marry that.
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Re: Dr. phil’s crap advice
Post by khankrumthebulgar on Dec 13, 2005, 9:08am

Reminds me of the posting of the gent that met the Attractive Woman who had the “Work done” courtesy of cashing out on her Ex Husband. Run from bitches like that. They are pure predators. And since there is nothing to stop them it appeals to the worst impluses in Women. It is really amusing that our Women think that we will endlessly put up with this shit.
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Re: Dr. phil’s crap advice
Post by The Vindicator on Dec 13, 2005, 1:23pm

Quote:Been a nice guy once my first marriage. Second time around I wised up. Refused to put up with her shit. Finally ended it on my terms not hers. Gents especially you younger ones the sad and harsh reality is Women are looking for the green light to do as they please. When a Magina enables that it is like feeding a cancer. Starve it and it will die, feed it and it will grow. Men want Power, Women want love. Marriage works when a Woman respects a man and voluntarily surrenders Power in exchange for love.

Women who want to be in charge wear strap ons. It is contrary to Men’s nature to be submissive. When we are Women lose respect for us, despite what they say. Ignore what Women say, watch what their actions are. They say they want decent Men, then screw dominant, aggressive Bad Boys. Cheat on decent Husbands and run off with Biker Bob, or Dirty Dick Parker.

The social mores in the past used shame and ridicule to hold Women’s destructive emotionally driven impulses in check before it destroyed the culture. Those mores are gone. There is no longer anything that holds Women accountable, or that restrains their behavior.

Great post. Tells the truth without being afraid of acknowledging that men are power hungry. Are men power hungry? YES. That’s the way nature made us. We have 20 times the testosterone of a woman. Women need love and affection more than a man does because that’s their nature.

The DUAL-RULE system does not work. Period.
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Re: Dr. phil’s crap advice
Post by Lydia1 on Dec 13, 2005, 9:36pm

Women WERE equal. We were perfectly equal with our husbands when we were feminine, agreeable and trustworthy. IMHO, when we were the homemakers, the good mothers, the good wives, thats when a marriage was a partnership of equals. Even in the 50’s, even if a woman didn’t contribute to the household income, she was at least worth what her husband spent to support her. Back then, I bet you could ask a husband, “Are you happy with your wife” and he would probably say “She cooks, cleans, and raises morally stable, good children. She respects me as a husband and a man, and doesn’t give me shit to deal with. She doesn’t spend my money except for groceries, and she gives me sex when I want it, because she wants to. She tries to make me happy. And women thought this was unequal. HAH! Here, in the above scenario, this woman probably loves her husband more than the sun and the moon. Back in the day, we did all of this willingly. It was our role, and we loved it. At least I would have. What more could we want? To work outside the home? Fine, but after the kids are old enough to take care of themselves. Want to go out with friends? Who said we couldn’t, as long as we weren’t neglecting our duties as wife and mother. Living in a mutually respectful, nurturing environment like this one seems darn good to me.
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Re: Dr. phil’s crap advice
Post by erich on Dec 13, 2005, 10:36pm

For anyone who doesn’t know or for any inquiring mind for that matter, Dr. Phil is a girly man, the quintessential wuss-bag
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Re: Dr. phil’s crap advice
Post by SumYungGi on Dec 13, 2005, 11:00pm

Dec 13, 2005, 9:36pm, Lydia1 wrote:Women WERE equal. We were perfectly equal with our husbands when we were feminine, agreeable and trustworthy. IMHO, when we were the homemakers, the good mothers, the good wives, thats when a marriage was a partnership of equals. Even in the 50’s, even if a woman didn’t contribute to the household income, she was at least worth what her husband spent to support her. Back then, I bet you could ask a husband, “Are you happy with your wife” and he would probably say “She cooks, cleans, and raises morally stable, good children. She respects me as a husband and a man, and doesn’t give me shit to deal with. She doesn’t spend my money except for groceries, and she gives me sex when I want it, because she wants to. She tries to make me happy. And women thought this was unequal. HAH! Here, in the above scenario, this woman probably loves her husband more than the sun and the moon. Back in the day, we did all of this willingly. It was our role, and we loved it. At least I would have. What more could we want? To work outside the home? Fine, but after the kids are old enough to take care of themselves. Want to go out with friends? Who said we couldn’t, as long as we weren’t neglecting our duties as wife and mother. Living in a mutually respectful, nurturing environment like this one seems darn good to me.

Exactly.
I doubt the 50’s were perfect – the societal reinforcement of ‘traditional roles’ was probably stifling to some people – but there was an understanding that I think is lacking these days. Someone decided that the leadership role that men usually take was the same as dominance – which is like saying a horse is in charge of the carriage it’s pulling. Treating people equally doesn’t mean treating people the same – we have different roles to play. If we all did the same thing, there wouldn’t be much point to getting married, now would there? Similarly, someone decided that a career is the only form of success in life. I think this has probably pushed a lot of women into the workforce who don’t want to be (kind of the same way men were pushed into marriage). Value systems changes to make the role of a good wife seem pitiable, and women moved away from it in response.

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Re: Dr. phil’s crap advice
Post by chrisvet on Dec 13, 2005, 11:29pm

I don’t like the word equal because its comparing apples to oranges.

Lydia, I’ve tried to come up with something that fits better, thus:

“Men and women are Not Equal. They are Equally Important, just totally different.”

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Re: Dr. phil’s crap advice
Post by Lydia1 on Dec 14, 2005, 8:31pm

I was talking to a friend of mine, a Muslim Imam, and he pointed out to me that “equal” and “identical” are two completely different things. What feminism is striving for is to be identical to men, in my opinion, and that is just not possible. Equality, however, is quite feasable. 1400 years ago Muslim women had the right to vote, own property and inherit money. But her main role was to look after her family first and above all. She was absolutely encouraged to get a job, just so long as she was still fulfilling her familial duties completely. That makes sense to me. Seems great. P.S. I am not peddling Islam here though. I am not a Muslim, I just like the above idea.
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Re: Dr. phil’s crap advice
Post by chrisvet on Dec 15, 2005, 3:59am

Lydia, are you a Leo who can never be “corrected?” (sorry, but you may be technically correct, but you’re missing the bigger picture.)

You’re aware 101% of society views the word equality as identical, therefore why not just agree I made a damn good post, and leave it at that?

See, I can’t have you running around and saying “equality is feasable” because everyone takes your views as feminist.

Simplify it. Men and Women are NOT equal. Equally important, but totally different.

now, which do you think is the “clearest” “simplest” argument to spew around MRA sites?

Equality is Feasable? Nope.

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Re: Dr. phil’s crap advice
Post by daniel on Dec 15, 2005, 6:09am

Dec 14, 2005, 8:31pm, Lydia1 wrote:I was talking to a friend of mine, a Muslim Imam, and he pointed out to me…[snip]

Equality, however, is quite feasable. 1400 years ago Muslim women had the right to vote, own property and inherit money. But her main role was to look after her family first and above all. She was absolutely encouraged to get a job, just so long as she was still fulfilling her familial duties completely. That makes sense to me. Seems great.

Of course it seems great to you – what you’ve presented is a scenario virtually identical to what now exists in western/US society today.

Funny – I too was talking to a friend of mine who has travelled and done business in Muslim Arab nations, and he cited those very rights you’ve described above as reasons not to bother looking to Islam for possible answers to the problem of western women.

As long as women insist on being focused on their rights, rather than on being submissive, devoted helpers of men, their contribution here or anywhere else has zero value.
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Re: Dr. phil’s crap advice
Post by chrisvet on Dec 15, 2005, 2:42pm

Ditto, especially the last paragraph.

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Re: Dr. phil’s crap advice
Post by Lydia1 on Dec 15, 2005, 6:21pm

Christvet, I didn’t mean to offend. I was only repeating the words of a wise (in my opinion) man. I’m not a fighter, I don’t want to argue. I just kinda wish women hadn’t gone all nuts when what we had was what we were meant to have. Anyways, I don’t want to argue. Sorry!
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Re: Dr. phil’s crap advice
Post by chrisvet on Dec 15, 2005, 9:56pm

No offense, the correct focus always sets precedence.

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Re: Dr. phil’s crap advice
Post by Allah on Dec 16, 2005, 3:12pm

Let’s get back to Dr. Phil, the theme of our thread. Here’s a great deal if you can find it: a woman who hates, and doesn’t own a television!

I used to live without one when I was going to a fourth-tier university and posing as an intellectual in a not-very-convincing manner.

Anyway, a woman who hates television, well, she might be extremely poor or she fancies herself a scholar who has no time for the entertainment needs of hoi polloi, but that has its disadvantages: often comes with a superior attitude, neuroses, a lot of student debt and a worthless degree in some arcane subject matter. My wife only likes PBS and old films, so the battle is partly won, but, yes, television is an enemy, anti-male enemy out to poison women’s minds and Dr. Phil is doing his job in that respect right along with Oprah. Shame, for shame!

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