Are women our enemies?
Are women our enemies?
Post by JimP on Dec 14, 2005, 12:50pm
I think that most things in life are a zero sum game, or fairly close to it, unless you’re talking about real progress, such as inventing the Airplane, antibiotics, etc. So when you make laws that give more rights to women (i.e. allow them to vote for instance) men suffer as a result. So I think in some sense women COLLECTIVELY are our enemy. And I think women tend to collectively treat men as enemies. But for some reason, men don’t. Why not? Should we?
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Re: Are women our enemies?
Post by TyHigs on Dec 14, 2005, 1:01pm
If women weren’t the problem, then we wouldn’t be in this situation in the first place. Of course part of that is simple indoctrination, but I still hold them responsible because there is an objective sense of right and wrong, and if people actually cared enough to investigate the situation, they’d see things are already more than equal for women.
But there is also something in western man that makes him want to bend over backwards to please and accommodate women, to his own detriment. Without male enablers, this situation could never take place. For example, in other countries where there are less men than there are women and the women still vote, they still don’t have problems with unfair property division, alimony, excessive child support, false accusations, etc.
Women will complain endlessly. Even when there is NOTHING wrong, they will find SOMETHING to complain about. The trick is to ignore them and not take the seriously. Cause, as you can see, when we take them seriously, it ruins lives and society as a whole.
Where’s Antiriad, damnit?
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Re: Are women our enemies?
Post by Craig on Dec 14, 2005, 1:12pm
I thought that society was the problem, not women? If women are the problem, why do non-western countries not share our problems?
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Re: Are women our enemies?
Post by Guest on Dec 14, 2005, 1:43pm
Dec 14, 2005, 1:12pm, Craig wrote:I thought that society was the problem, not women? If women are the problem, why do non-western countries not share our problems?
Craig, you are a troll.
I believe that because I’ve seen your last few posts.
Still I somewhat agree with your assumption on this case. The problem is european culture has spoiled women for hundreds of years, they have disconnected from reality. Women here dont understand starvation, needless pain, ect experienced in the world. Our women dont even understand the value of freedom, they give it all away for ’security security security!’.
For a long time we have had all the laws needed to protect people and prosecute criminals. Women falsely believe the government is their friend and that a new law after every kidnapping or bad event will prevent another. If you dont believe me just turn on fox news and watch the mindset of women forming our new police state.
I think the problem is not women, but the vile propaganda poured into them by the media and feminists. In many cases womens minds use very little logic and lots of emotion(sorry but its true for most women.) This can be a very beautiful thing. When you have other marxist women telling them how evil men are and its reinforced from the media they naturally become afraid. Depending on her upbringing a girl might want to enjoy life and view everything through rose colored glasses at a young age; the first time some badboy uses her she will begin to believe the propaganda.
When you believe you are being opressed and used it is natural to become predatory yourself. Just look at any socialist/communist coup. Women seriously believe they are opressed by men. Our society also makes us blind to biological and mental differences between males and females. Its a recipe for disaster!
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Re: Are women our enemies?
Post by TyHigs on Dec 14, 2005, 1:48pm
Yes, our own gov even fosters this idea – that women are oppressed by men – by publishing figures on the wage gap which are based on median salary and not “average” salary. The median is a meaningless statistic.
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Re: Are women our enemies?
Post by Niall NLIT on Dec 14, 2005, 1:55pm
Yes woman are collectively the enemy. Yes to use figures others have posted on other threads maybe only 2% are driving the anti-male agenda but the rest are camp followers.
Women do not think logically they are driven by a herd mentality and their emotions. They instinctively gather together to protect each other against outside threats. So the 2% shout ‘women being oppressed, violence against women is occurring’ and they all moo and vote for less of that which ‘must be a good nothing’.
Also they have no sense of levels. Women will sacrifice any freedom and any man if they ‘feel’ it will make them safer. The more blatant feminazis say this out loud, ‘OK maybe some innocent men have to be jailed but if it makes women safer then its worth it’. In UK (which in many ways is worse than US) they are debating reversing the presumption of innocence in rape cases. You will be required to prove you are innocent. Believe it this will happen there and here soon.
These factors are why women should never have been given the vote or indeed pretty much any power outside the home. Only the upper middle class urban based women who drove the agenda ever wanted this anyway. Giving these emotional creatures power is like getting a 5 year old drunk and giving her a gun, bad will inevitably follow.
Non-Western societies know this and we knew it too at one time and even if their women can vote they are still constrained from causing too much trouble by the male power structure. Thus their societies flourish and ours is dying and frankly it deserves to die and maybe the one that replaces it will not be as stupid.
As I have said before, those who are prepared to fight the sex war I salute you, I am moving to Thailand asap, likely by the end of April 2006 from where I intend to watch the collapse of the US from a beach chair with a cold beer in my hand.
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Re: Are women our enemies?
Post by Guest on Dec 14, 2005, 2:14pm
Dec 14, 2005, 1:55pm, Niall NLIT wrote:
Also they have no sense of levels. Women will sacrifice any freedom and any man if they ‘feel’ it will make them safer. The more blatant feminazis say this out loud, ‘OK maybe some innocent men have to be jailed but if it makes women safer then its worth it’. In UK (which in many ways is worse than US) they are debating reversing the presumption of innocence in rape cases. You will be required to prove you are innocent.
The problem is when you make a man desperate things dont get better they turn very very bad. The mafia in the US did not start because of greed, on the contrary started because immigrants were desperate and few employed them.
By making laws which severly hurt others lives even if they are innocent they are breeding violence. I think the western world will eventually become extremely violent.
Luckily I’ll expat and wont be here to see it
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Re: Are women our enemies?
Post by LivinFree on Dec 14, 2005, 2:15pm
Women arent our enemies. It’s big govt and the incessant anti-male laws in our society. If we take away no fault divorce, alimony, and child support women would be much better at being women and making me sandwiches .
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Re: Are women our enemies?
Post by antiriad on Dec 14, 2005, 2:34pm
Women who stand behind feminism are our enemies.
Women who claim to be “neutral” are not our enemies – but neither are they our allies. As such, they can only be treated with distrust.
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Re: Are women our enemies?
Post by daniel on Dec 14, 2005, 3:03pm
Dec 14, 2005, 2:14pm, Guest wrote:By making laws which severly hurt others lives even if they are innocent they are breeding violence. I think the western world will eventually become extremely violent.
I agree. And this is also a problem that extends beyond just female-biased laws.
There is something deeply wayward about the direction and character of contemporary western society. I think every one of us has some inkling of this, even if we don’t quite grasp all the details.
But no human society can possibly survive, in the long term, on the premise that human beings are what ideologues and politicians want them to be. It has been tried and will always fail. It is only natural that the reaction be dramatic and explosive.
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Re: Are women our enemies?
Post by Guest on Dec 14, 2005, 3:31pm
Dec 14, 2005, 3:03pm, daniel wrote:
Dec 14, 2005, 2:14pm, Guest wrote:By making laws which severly hurt others lives even if they are innocent they are breeding violence. I think the western world will eventually become extremely violent.I agree. And this is also a problem that extends beyond just female-biased laws. … But no human society can possibly survive, in the long term, on the premise that human beings are what ideologues and politicians want them to be. It has been tried and will always fail. It is only natural that the reaction be dramatic and explosive.
Exactly… And what boggles me is the fact that we spend so much time makings laws concerning other people. If they keep making new laws at this pace anyone can be arrested for anything. Nature kills more humans than a crazed murderer ever could.
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Re: Are women our enemies?
Post by Craig on Dec 14, 2005, 4:32pm
Dec 14, 2005, 1:43pm, Guest wrote:
Dec 14, 2005, 1:12pm, Craig wrote:I thought that society was the problem, not women? If women are the problem, why do non-western countries not share our problems?Craig, you are a troll.
I believe that because I’ve seen your last few posts.
That’s interesting. As a man who is currently getting screwed to the tune of $1500 a month a child support for a single child, PLUS half daycare expenses, PLUS half medical insurance, I make an interesting candidate for a troll, “guest”.
I sought this board out because I found it unbelievable that I was the only one who thinks our fucked up system is fair. It appears I was right, there are a lot of people here who agree with me. I also find that a lot of the posters here are women bashers, who discount ALL women as conniving, materialistic, gold diggers whose self interest is first and foremost on their list of priorities.
Those who believe that are simply substituting one evil for another. They are not furthering our cause, they are hindering it.
Dec 14, 2005, 1:43pm, Guest wrote:I think the problem is not women, but the vile propaganda poured into them by the media and feminists.
EXACTLY my point. I’m glad we’re on the same page after all.
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Re: Are women our enemies?
Post by Niall NLIT on Dec 14, 2005, 5:37pm
‘They are not furthering our cause, they are hindering it.’
Thats it Craig you be a good Dhimmi maybe the feminazis will throw you a bone if your a good boy.
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Re: Are women our enemies?
Post by Craig on Dec 14, 2005, 5:58pm
That’s OK Niall, we all know you’re a little off the deep end. Fortunately, MOST of the people here are a little more centered (and reasonable) than you are.
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Re: Are women our enemies?
Post by pbirv on Dec 14, 2005, 6:01pm
Based on my personal experiences, I’d have to answer a loud, resounding, YES!!!!!!!!
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Re: Are women our enemies?
Post by Craig on Dec 14, 2005, 6:05pm
And also, why is that that a man who doesn’t agree with every word that’s posted on this forum is a troll? Are you so bitter, so angry, and so frustrated, that anyone who doesn’t back you 100% is the enemy? Aren’t we allowed to have different opinions? The premise of MOST forums is the open exchange of ideas – seems like this one only promotes one idea. If you’re not on board with that idea, then get the hell off the train.
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Re: Are women our enemies?
Post by Niall NLIT on Dec 14, 2005, 6:39pm
Craig,
I believe you are a woman troll because in your last but one post you use shaming language and in your last post your whining like a girl and using shaming language. Men generally don’t do that.
Assuming you are a man note this. This forum is for big boys. You are perfectly entitled to your opinion and you are perfectly entitled to state it no one has ever said otherwise and I are perfectly entitled to call you a Dhimmi if I see fit.
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Re: Are women our enemies?
Post by JimP on Dec 14, 2005, 7:15pm
Dec 14, 2005, 2:15pm, LivinFree wrote:Women arent our enemies. It’s big govt and the incessant anti-male laws in our society. If we take away no fault divorce, alimony, and child support women would be much better at being women and making me sandwiches .
Well, let’s leave the big govt out of it for a second, and ask a question — how did these ANTI-MALE laws come about? Did men vote for them, did men demand them, or was it women collectively that got these laws passed?
Again, it’s a zero sum game, every anti-male law that gets passed doesn’t just benefit women, it also hurts men, and vice versa.
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Re: Are women our enemies?
Post by Craig on Dec 14, 2005, 7:22pm
Dec 14, 2005, 6:39pm, Niall NLIT wrote:Craig,
I believe you are a woman troll because in your last but one post you use shaming language and in your last post your whining like a girl and using shaming language. Men generally don’t do that.
Assuming you are a man note this. This forum is for big boys. You are perfectly entitled to your opinion and you are perfectly entitled to state it no one has ever said otherwise and I are perfectly entitled to call you a Dhimmi if I see fit.
Naturally. I don’t agree with you, I think you’re a narrow-minded, angry man, so therefore I must be a woman.
What else did I expect of you? Not much, honestly.
I’d send you a picture of my dick, but I realize that I don’t have much to prove to you.
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Re: Are women our enemies?
Post by Guest on Dec 15, 2005, 2:30am
Dec 14, 2005, 4:32pm, Craig wrote:
Dec 14, 2005, 1:43pm, Guest wrote:
Craig, you are a troll.
I believe that because I’ve seen your last few posts.That’s interesting. As a man who is currently getting screwed to the tune of $1500 a month a child support for a single child, PLUS half daycare expenses, PLUS half medical insurance, I make an interesting candidate for a troll, “guest”.
I sought this board out because I found it unbelievable that I was the only one who thinks our fucked up system is fair. It appears I was right, there are a lot of people here who agree with me. I also find that a lot of the posters here are women bashers, who discount ALL women as conniving, materialistic, gold diggers whose self interest is first and foremost on their list of priorities.
Those who believe that are simply substituting one evil for another. They are not furthering our cause, they are hindering it.
Dec 14, 2005, 1:43pm, Guest wrote:I think the problem is not women, but the vile propaganda poured into them by the media and feminists.
EXACTLY my point. I’m glad we’re on the same page after all.
Craig, I expected this response…
I agree with some of what you are saying.
Let me quote you
Re: What’s with the gay hate?
« Reply #2 on Dec 13, 2005, 6:53pm »Tolerance is not exactly promoted in this forum. Speaks highly of our cause, doesn’t it? “
You are making some really negative posts….. In that post you acted like everyone here is intolerant, thats why I feel like you are being a troll. Don’t get me wrong im not saying every post you ever made is there to troll.
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Re: Are women our enemies?
Post by chrisvet on Dec 15, 2005, 2:56am
Dec 14, 2005, 12:50pm, JimP wrote:I think that most things in life are a zero sum game, or fairly close to it, unless you’re talking about real progress, such as inventing the Airplane, antibiotics, etc. So when you make laws that give more rights to women (i.e. allow them to vote for instance) men suffer as a result. So I think in some sense women COLLECTIVELY are our enemy. And I think women tend to collectively treat men as enemies. But for some reason, men don’t. Why not? Should we?
Jim, I feel the same way about the zero sum game and concluded everything in our gov’ts is mindless, unnecessary bureaucracy that renders us uncompetative on a global market. (excessive taxation, regulations, etc.)
The root of the problem is the central bank and income tax. Income tax is siphoned by politicans to fuel next years campain with “lures”, “freebees” etc.
This is a super deep subject, and quite an earload.
So, if your interested in finding out why we have feminist, and how it all works, let me know and ask away.
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Re: Are women our enemies?
Post by chrisvet on Dec 15, 2005, 3:12am
Dec 14, 2005, 3:31pm, Guest wrote:
Dec 14, 2005, 3:03pm, daniel wrote:I agree. And this is also a problem that extends beyond just female-biased laws. … But no human society can possibly survive, in the long term, on the premise that human beings are what ideologues and politicians want them to be. It has been tried and will always fail. It is only natural that the reaction be dramatic and explosive.
Exactly… And what boggles me is the fact that we spend so much time makings laws concerning other people. If they keep making new laws at this pace anyone can be arrested for anything. Nature kills more humans than a crazed murderer ever could.
Special interest groups spend time lobbying for tougher laws and expanded definitions for 1 reason: They believe they are making the world safer.
Because of this:
A. More conflicts ensue – more laws = more conflicts
B. Definitions are expanded, eg Rape = now inappropriate touching (therefore a 100 fold more potential rapists are on the loose)
C. A wedge is subsequently driven between the victim (women, blacks etc) and the oppressors. (men.)
D. More panic and a victim mindset indoctrination in our centralized school systems and female controlled media causes people to look to the State daddy for dependency.
E. The special interest groups viciously fight amongst each other for yearly federal funding and do this:
1. Exaggerate the “problem” by using out of context, warped statistics
2. Devise new ways to create more conflicts to keep funding coming in.
A politician uses these “emergencies” as political brownie points while he campaigns.
“Hello Everyone, 1 in 2 women will be raped this year, and I plan to fund the opening of 245 Rape Crises centers all throughout America”
Automatically he’s seen as the good guy by who?
Everyone, including women – who happen to make up 52% of the voter block.
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Re: Are women our enemies?
Post by chrisvet on Dec 15, 2005, 3:19am
Dec 14, 2005, 7:15pm, JimP wrote:
Dec 14, 2005, 2:15pm, LivinFree wrote:Women arent our enemies. It’s big govt and the incessant anti-male laws in our society. If we take away no fault divorce, alimony, and child support women would be much better at being women and making me sandwiches .Well, let’s leave the big govt out of it for a second, and ask a question — how did these ANTI-MALE laws come about? Did men vote for them, did men demand them, or was it women collectively that got these laws passed?
Again, it’s a zero sum game, every anti-male law that gets passed doesn’t just benefit women, it also hurts men, and vice versa.
Big gov’t grew symbiotically with special interest groups. They fed each other via income tax and politicians who saw an advantage by using the “fear” these groups projected as part of their political platforms. The “Hero” politician was thus created.
Today, Everything involving womens rights is big government industry filled will millions of highly paid western gov’t employees that viciously fight each year against other groups to ensure future funding.
A very deep subject.
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Re: Are women our enemies?
Post by chrisvet on Dec 15, 2005, 3:24am
Dec 14, 2005, 2:34pm, antiriad wrote:Women who stand behind feminism are our enemies
Women who claim to be “neutral” are not our enemies – but neither are they our allies. As such, they can only be treated with distrust.
Yes, there is no middle ground. Either they support it or they don’t.
And 1 other thing – take away the political fuel (income tax) and these women no longer have voices.
Therefore, I can only see vicious feminists as the weak powerless children they really are.
Vote out their enablers. Keep a clear mind by keeping women in perspective.
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Re: Are women our enemies?
Post by Niall NLIT on Dec 15, 2005, 5:06am
‘I’d send you a picture of my dick, but I realise that I don’t have much to prove to you.’
GOTCHA! Feminazi troll. Shaming language plus now your implying I have a small penis. Time to plug your little mind back in to the Borg network and upload the next standard script this ones getting too easy to spot.
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Re: Are women our enemies?
Post by Craig on Dec 15, 2005, 11:05am
Dec 15, 2005, 2:30am, Guest wrote:
Tolerance is not exactly promoted in this forum. Speaks highly of our cause, doesn’t it? “You are making some really negative posts….. In that post you acted like everyone here is intolerant, thats why I feel like you are being a troll. Don’t get me wrong im not saying every post you ever made is there to troll.
Ok, valid point. In my defense, the point I was trying to make there is that there’s a lot of women bashing in this forum. It’s OK to hate what our society has done to women, but I don’t think it’s OK to hate women for it. Some of us don’t tolerate women all that well, and lash out a lot against the few women who post here AND women in general. Just saying I don’t think it’s right.
I did not mean to imply that we are an intolerant bunch of people. I know it came across that way, and I’ll apologize for it right now. I’m always man enough to admit my mistakes.
Niall – going from what I said to what you think I said is a jump only a crazy person would make. I NEVER suggested anything about the size of your penis, just that the only way I can prove I’m a man is to show you mine.
You, my friend, are a nutcase.
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Re: Are women our enemies?
Post by JimP on Dec 15, 2005, 12:22pm
Dec 15, 2005, 3:19am, chrisvet wrote:
Dec 14, 2005, 7:15pm, JimP wrote:Well, let’s leave the big govt out of it for a second, and ask a question — how did these ANTI-MALE laws come about? Did men vote for them, did men demand them, or was it women collectively that got these laws passed?
Again, it’s a zero sum game, every anti-male law that gets passed doesn’t just benefit women, it also hurts men, and vice versa.
Big gov’t grew symbiotically with special interest groups. They fed each other via income tax and politicians who saw an advantage by using the “fear” these groups projected as part of their political platforms. The “Hero” politician was thus created.
Today, Everything involving womens rights is big government industry filled will millions of highly paid western gov’t employees that viciously fight each year against other groups to ensure future funding.
A very deep subject.
Well, you’re right in the sense that if the Federal Government did what it is supposed to do under the constitution, this wouldn’t be an issue. Unfortunately, my opinion on the subject is that in order for this system of big Government / special interest groups, etc. to change, things will have to get worse, A LOT worse, in fact things will have to get so bad that feminism will be the least of our concerns.
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Re: Are women our enemies?
Post by chrisvet on Dec 15, 2005, 2:55pm
Exactly, and with 22% of our men never going to marry in 2005, and perhaps 29% in 2010, I think we’re on the edge of something big.
Our girls today are ruthless self centered bitches (and they can’t help it.) The younger generation of men in their teens and 20’s have it a lot worse than even guys in their mid 30’s like me – and the stuff they’re forced to deal with is incomparable.
The noose is tightening on our brothers of all ages via loss of rights, increasing divorce ass-rapes, etc etc. There’s simply a point were too many guys are too pissed off over this, and I see an incredible political opportunity based on these societal problems.
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Re: Are women our enemies?
Post by chrisvet on Dec 15, 2005, 2:58pm
And another thing Jim, when your demeanor or spirit is crushed because a system enslaved you, whats the first thing you want to change? – The system.
Thats the beauty about this. While guys are living in their cars supporting Mall shopping bitches living it up we are becoming angrier and more hostile to a system that has us fucked over.
It’ll take time, and this imperative message must be spread. Thats why I enjoy discussions like this, and see all this anger in our youth as something constructive we can mould to further our cause.
They need guidance and role models to follow, and I think we’ll see a mega explosion of forums like this in the near future.
Other than relocation, the political message must be spread – as it is the ONLY solution, and simply giving up is not an option – especially this early in the game.
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Re: Are women our enemies?
Post by craig on Dec 15, 2005, 5:08pm
I wonder if we will EVER be able to overcome what the government is doing to us. I am a relatively young man, and I don’t know that I’ll ever live to see the pendulum swing back the other way. Right now, we are a small group of people. As things get worse and worse, more and more people will join us. But the system is slow, always the last to enact change.
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Re: Are women our enemies?
Post by chrisvet on Dec 15, 2005, 10:03pm
craig: translation, the only political solution is voting Liberatarian.
Other than that, a vote for R+D is a vote for feminism any way u slice it.
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Re: Are women our enemies?
Post by Guest on Dec 15, 2005, 11:26pm
Dec 15, 2005, 10:03pm, chrisvet wrote:craig: translation, the only political solution is voting Liberatarian.
Other than that, a vote for R+D is a vote for feminism any way u slice it.
I actually voted libertarian.
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Re: Are women our enemies?
Post by craig on Dec 16, 2005, 11:32am
Dec 15, 2005, 10:03pm, chrisvet wrote:craig: translation, the only political solution is voting Liberatarian.
Libertarianism is the only political ideology that I can actually say, “That makes sense,” to.
We need a smaller government. One that is not interested in running and monitoring every aspect of our lives.
Oh, don’t get me started on this… we’ll need a new forum to hold it all.
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Re: Are women our enemies?
Post by JimP on Dec 16, 2005, 2:14pm
Please provide ONE SINGLE EXAMPLE where power/scope/size of Government ANYWHERE, IN ANY COUNTRY, EVER has been significantly reduced for a prolonged time period by simply voting, without any violence/major upheaval/revolution/war, etc.
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Re: Are women our enemies?
Post by Allah on Dec 16, 2005, 3:15pm
Yes, democracy has its drawbacks: too many stupid people being duped by dishonest candidates advancing agendas that are destructive in the long run but appeal to certain voters for the short-term benefits.
The crap that we are seeing in Western Europe and Canada wasn’t around in Franco’s Spain, which makes me wonder sometimes about why the left go on and on, in tedious fashion, nearly seventy years later about losing that conflagration. Maybe El Generalíssimo wasn’t so bad after all. I’d take him over Chirac, Blair or Martin any day of the week.
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