Women and talking
Women and talking
Post by John Ross on Sept 26, 2005, 5:59pm
There are women I enjoy talking with. These are the intelligent women who also enjoy a discussion. And a discussion is where both parties participate with roughly the same amount of verbiage. A man might say “I talked to a few clients, bid on a job, and met Pete for a game of squash at the club. He’s worried his firm might be downsizing and laying him off.” The woman would express interest, and they talk about ideas for Pete where he might look for work, etc.
Then there are women who talk endlessly about the most mind-numbingly boring things imaginable. They aren’t usually complaining, they’ll just catalog EVERY SINGLE THING they did that day, in minute detail. They’ll go on for hours if you let them, without your ever saying a word.
I have always wanted to tape-record one of these endless monologues and play it back for the woman later. Do they have any idea what they sound like? It’s like listening to someone read the phone book.
One possible theory I have is that women are more likely to be this way if they don’t have at least one close female friend they speak to daily. Then the pent-up demand to talk is unleashed on us when we phone or come by.
The three women I’m thinking of right now who are this way don’t have any close female friends.
Thoughts?
JR
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Re: Women and talking
Post by nastyrobot on Sept 26, 2005, 6:40pm
Well if the universe revolves around you then what else could there be to talk about than the kind of coffee you were drinking while on your way to work a shift you agreed to take for “that bitch” last week when you were still friends?
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Re: Women and talking
Post by Hee on Sept 26, 2005, 6:58pm
I think many women are capable of both intelligent conversation and babbling on about nothing.
When I was a teenager I moved to a new town. I gave some thought to being in a new school and making new friends. I decided that I was a compulsive talker and I wanted to start listening to others (instead of just waiting to talk). This made it much easier to make friends. I even found out that listening to what someone else has to say can be much better than the sound of my own voice (imagine that!)
While I do occasionally rant about something silly to a female friend, I like listening to her stuff too. Many times this talk about nothing can lead to something constructive (ie she started complaining about being a TA but we finished with her deciding what grad school to go to), but if not, at least we both got to vent and now feel better than we did before.
Some people talk for the sake of talking because they are nervous about something.
If I find myself rambling to my boyfriend it’s usually because I’m bored. If I was going on about the different shoes I tried on and then he changed the subject to something interesting (current events story, new book he read that he thinks I’d like, what we should do this weekend) I wouldn’t mind at all. I enjoy listening to other people. It’s very interesting.
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Re: Women and talking
Post by antiriad on Sept 26, 2005, 7:05pm
This demonstrates: most women use meaningless metrics for determining arbitrarily what they think constitutes an intelligent conversation.
Talking about politics and current events is not inherently intelligent; you’re proving nothing by mentioning a fact and then stating your opinion on the subject.
So, let’s go over this once again, to make sure we’re all on board: brilliant people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people.
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Re: Women and talking
Post by HappilySingle on Sept 26, 2005, 7:37pm
Sept 26, 2005, 7:05pm, antiriad wrote:So, let’s go over this once again, to make sure we’re all on board: brilliant people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people.
…and female people talk about themselves.
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Re: Women and talking
Post by yipyap on Sept 26, 2005, 8:05pm
….while misogynists talk about females’ collective and apparent inability to have anything of substance to say.
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Re: Women and talking
Post by HappilySingle on Sept 26, 2005, 8:14pm
Sept 26, 2005, 8:05pm, yipyap wrote:….while misogynists talk about females’ collective and apparent inability to have anything of substance to say.
…and trolls continue to play the victim card, calling men names at the same time they condemn men doing the same to women.
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Re: Women and talking
Post by mikeash on Sept 26, 2005, 8:17pm
I can’t stand being around anyone, male or female that can’t let 10 minutes go by without talking.
Every moment of silence does not need to be filled.
If I had a dollar for every time I was totally relaxed and feeling the pressures of life drift away and a woman asked me what I was thinking about and wouldn’t take ‘nothing’ for an answer, I would be rich beyond my wildest dreams. Probably have lower blood pressure as well.
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Re: Women and talking
Post by TyHigs on Sept 26, 2005, 8:33pm
Once men are enlightened as to the true nature of modern American women, misogyny is the only proper course to take.
Yet again, another woman comes along to say “But guys, dont group us ALL with the bad ones!! You just havent met the right woman yet!! I’m not like that, and neither are all the women I’ve ever met my whole life. So your observations are wrong. And even if it were the case that women are bad, men are much much worse. So suck it up and marry us, become our emotional tampons, and stop pointing out women’s fucked up nature!”
…NEXT!
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Re: Women and talking
Post by antiriad on Sept 26, 2005, 9:03pm
Women wanted equality and to come to the table with their actions and opinions, rather than hiding behind men as they did in the past. Well guess what: in the real world, when you expect people to take you seriously and expect them to listen to you, all of a sudden you’re going to find yourself under a hell of a lot more scrutiny than you did previously. This isn’t misogyny, this is the real world at work: optimization by logical elimination of the weakest link. Calling men “misogynist” because they dare to criticize overtly negative traits in modern women’s behavior is reactionary infantilism at its worst that hardly makes one appear awfully intellectual, either. On top of that, we’ve heard it all before and the shaming language is beginning to sound rather pathetic.
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Re: Women and talking
Post by thechief on Sept 26, 2005, 9:04pm
On a related line of thought, have you noticed some women wait for just the right moment to say something that you don’t want to hear? I don’t know how many instances my wife managed to perfectly buzzkill me. I’d be sitting at home, enjoying a good movie or the really good part of a book. This is when she chose to tell me that her damn sister was destitute (again) and she needed to move back in with us (and of course, if I refused to allow it, I’d get passive-aggressive nagging, guilting and pressure). Or this was the moment she chose to tell me she couldn’t stand her job any more and she wanted to quit, even though it was a good job and we needed the income. Or here’s another goodie: she wanted to quit and go back to school, so she’d be a cost center instead of a source of income on the family budget.
It relates to another personal theory: Women can’t stand to see us happy. Even if the happiness comes at no cost to them. Whenever a man is happy, at peace, content with his lot in life for even a moment, there’s some part of a woman’s brain that screams out “You must fix this!”
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Re: Women and talking
Post by yipyap on Sept 26, 2005, 9:15pm
I always find it fascinating as to how American men turned out so wonderful while their female counterparts apparently did not. Truly fascinating. I also find it interesting that while there are many internet sites that are solely created to provide a venue for men to lambaste all of womankind, I am not aware of one site (or certainly not of the same numbers) whose SOLE purpose is to for women to discuss how awful men are. Gee, it seems some men sure are filled with alot of hurt, ergo the need to lash out at entire group of people, without having to examine “themselves”.
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Re: Women and talking
Post by antiriad on Sept 26, 2005, 9:27pm
You know what I find fascinating? The fact that “yipyap” rhymes with “dingbat.”
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Re: Women and talking
Post by Truthslayer on Sept 26, 2005, 9:52pm
I am not aware of one site (or certainly not of the same numbers) whose SOLE purpose is to for women to discuss how awful men are.
Hmmmm….
www.ihatemen.com
www.feministing.com
www.salon.com
www.ifeminists.com
I can see why you DON’T know, you’re too LAZY to look. Troll, show your neck here again, and you’ll get it sliced off quickly. NiceGuys’ are on another site, this is a war and you’re just cannon fodder.
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Re: Women and talking
Post by yip on Sept 26, 2005, 10:02pm
I actually said: “I am not aware of one site (or certainly not of the same numbers)…”, the key phrase being “or certainly not of the same numbers”. So you came up with 4 sites of women hating on men. I’m not going to waste my time online finding all the men vs. women sites, but I can GUARANTEE you there is no comparison. As you may know, craigslist.com (US) is a microcosm of sorts of the country, and the posts there of men spouting vitriol against women is unparalleled. Also, I never went LOOKING for men vs. women sites. But since I encounter so much of this venom elsewhere on the internet, I eventually get directed to these sites. But I never seem to get directed to women vs. men sites…. Hmmmm.
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Re: Women and talking
Post by HappilySingle on Sept 26, 2005, 10:03pm
Sept 26, 2005, 9:15pm, yipyap wrote:I always find it fascinating as to how American men turned out so wonderful while their female counterparts apparently did not. Truly fascinating.
Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that there’s no male equivalent of Oprah telling us that we are the most important person in the world and that women need to start treating us like the princes we are.
Quote:I also find it interesting that while there are many internet sites that are solely created to provide a venue for men to lambaste all of womankind, I am not aware of one site (or certainly not of the same numbers) whose SOLE purpose is to for women to discuss how awful men are.
Get a clue. I’d be willing to bet that there are many more sites dedicated to “womyn’s rights” than men’s rights. www.feministing.com comes to mind first (though I prefer www.feministing.org). I’m sure there are hundreds, if not thousands, of others.
Quote:Gee, it seems some men sure are filled with alot of hurt, ergo the need to lash out at entire group of people, without having to examine “themselves”.
Most men here have done a lot more soul-searching than most women have. We’ve asked ourselves what we’ve done wrong. And guess what? Most of us have decided we’ve done nothing wrong – it’s women who have changed. Compare this to female soul-searching, where they make themselves out to be the victim.
I don’t consider myself a “victim” of feminism. I see it realistically and behave accordingly. Women hold all the cards in a marriage today. Good for them – except that a growing number of men are going their own way and remaining single.
Remember: contrary to what Oprah tells you, we don’t need you. Housework today is a snap, with automatic washers, dryers, microwave ovens, dishwashers, robotic vacuums, etc., and a growing number of men enjoy cooking. (Even those that hate housework can get Merry Maids or one of the other maid services to clean their place every week or so for a reasonable fee.) By staying single, we can enjoy our freedom and financial independence, with very little downside. And as I get older, I find my married male friends envy my bachelorhood!
Compare this to a woman. Her life is completely different if she doesn’t marry. She’ll likely have to – GASP! – work for a living. She (possibly) won’t have kids, she likely won’t have the big house and the nicer car and the luxury vacations. To impress her friends, she’ll likely live beyond her means, ending up with piles of debt she’ll have trouble ever paying off. And as she gets older, she’ll find her married female friends pitying her for being an old maid.
That’s the issue. 150 years ago, we needed each other. Men worked 16 hour days in the factory or the fields, and the woman worked as many hours in the home. That’s not the case today. We don’t need you. When we’re younger, we want/desire you, but (unlike most women) we understand the difference between need and want.
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Re: Women and talking
Post by Heman woman hater on Sept 26, 2005, 10:22pm
Try this one: www.gobacktohellyouvilebitch.com
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Re: Women and talking
Post by antiriad on Sept 26, 2005, 10:28pm
Sept 26, 2005, 10:22pm, Heman woman hater wrote:Try this one: www.gobacktohellyouvilebitch.com
Well I don’t think this issue is closed until luckilysingle harps in a couple of times about how he would like to hear Yipyap’s opinion on some obscure subject EQUALLY as much as that of other members here
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Re: Women and talking
Post by you on Sept 26, 2005, 10:29pm
Sept 26, 2005, 9:15pm, yipyap wrote:I always find it fascinating as to how American men turned out so wonderful while their female counterparts apparently did not. Truly fascinating.
You can blame your feminist sisterhood for that, not your “counterparts”.
It is known around the world that American women are inculcated with feminism and therefore make terrible girlfriends, wives, and mothers. American women have forgotten how to be wives and mothers. They know how to shop though!
Sept 26, 2005, 9:15pm, yipyap wrote:I also find it interesting that while there are many internet sites that are solely created to provide a venue for men to lambaste all of womankind, I am not aware of one site (or certainly not of the same numbers) whose SOLE purpose is to for women to discuss how awful men are.
Go join your sisters:
http://www.spacefem.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=28
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Re: Women and talking
Post by TyHigs on Sept 26, 2005, 10:44pm
>>”I always find it fascinating as to how American men turned out so wonderful while their female counterparts apparently did not. “
American men are among the best, if not the best men in the world. American women have the greatest amount of rights and privileges of all the nationalities of women in the entire world. Yet American women (in general) are not happy with what they have or with what men have done for them. If it wasnt for American men, American women would not have so many rights. The fact that American women have a greater number of privileges than any other nationality of women proves that American men have bent over backwards to please women (to our detriment).
Now let’s see which American sex is the most desired throughout the world. American women take jobs in Japan, Russian, Singapore and even western Europe, and there are many articles written on how these American women expats can not find a man to date them. Contrast that with American men. Foreign women LOVE American men. They seek us out both when we live overseas and when we are in the states.
This to me tells me that there is something fundamentally wrong with AW. I know you are going to say “…But they just want you for a green card.” Well, if thats the case, there should be an equal number of foreign men seeking American wives for citizenship. Yet there is not.
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Re: Women and talking
Post by Me on Sept 26, 2005, 10:50pm
The reason you don’t see an abundance of anti-male websites on the internet, in comparison to the reverse, is that the anti-male perspective is the norm, and dominates all the mainstream media — TV, movies, commercials, books, etc.
Check out your most basic sitcom, it is likely based on the idea of a wonderful woman whose got her “head together” married to some bozo, chubby, meathead male who can’t tie his own shoelaces. King of Queens or something like that. Or look at what Raymond comes across like, in contrast to his wife, on Everyone Loves Raymond. Or look at the myriad of other commercials, sitcoms, the vile spewing from professors at the universities, or from the teachers in high schools. The anti-male perspective is the status quo. It is the way things are.
The so-called misogynistic websites, many which simply address the very real burdens and injustices men face in society today, are but a blip on the radar compared to the greater cultural perspective that men are evil, men are the reason for all the world’s problems, and men can be routinely denigrated or dismissed, without as much as peep coming form them.
This is like a 1950s white male saying, “What’s up with all this anti-white hatred? I don’t get it, I don’t see why black folks are all hateful towards the white folks and you don’t see the reverse. Heck, I don’t see no black hatin’ groups round here!”
Ignorance at its very best. While obviously blacks had it much harder, and I draw this comparison only for illustrative purposes, I think you get my point…
The anti-male perspective is the status quo. That’s why there are fewer anti-male websites. Because, basically, they are ALL anti male websites.
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Re: Women and talking
Post by nastyrobot on Sept 26, 2005, 10:58pm
You all brought up a point I hadn’t considered: she’s thinking on such a small scale. She’s relating to things nationally when she should be doing so globally. I doubt she’s been outside the states, but it never occured to me as I stopped caring about what she said.
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Re: Women and talking
Post by geoff on Sept 27, 2005, 12:51am
You know what I find fascinating? The fact that “yipyap” rhymes with “dingbat.”
antiriad–you are a funny as hell. I couldn’t stop laughing.You’ve got one hell of a wit.
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Re: Women and talking
Post by guest on Sept 27, 2005, 8:15am
Oh the memories…. of my last GF. She could go on and on for hours and hours. Calling at 2 or 3 in the morning wanting to know if I missed her.
She eventually grew to despise me. She would tell me things like “I wasn’t normal because my life was in order”. She was angry because I wouldn’t marry her (she had lots of problems….like being in debt and expecting me to bail her out constantly).
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Re: Women and talking
Post by thechief on Sept 27, 2005, 9:49am
Back to JRs original point:
I guess the lesson to take from this thread is that if you must go for an American woman (and perhaps all women, this talking thing may be universal), try to find one that has a good network of female friends. Another set of ears (or several sets) that can absorb some of her angst and balloon juice throughout the day so you won’t have to listen to ALL of it when you both get home.
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Re: Women and talking
Post by truth on Sept 27, 2005, 11:02am
I agree. I dated a woman who had no close friends. She was always right and everybody else was wrong.
So I took the brunt of everything.
She would cry to me that she had no friends and while she acknowledged that it probably wasn’t good that she unload everything on me she continued to do so until she physically and emotionally drained me.
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Re: Women and talking
Post by yipyap on Sept 27, 2005, 11:05am
Truthslayer – OK, so I actually went SEARCHING on the four sites you attached above, looking for discourse similar to what I find on this site and sites like it. And I gotta tell ya, I’m not seeing it. All the sites talked about “perceived” inequalities, or other issues pertinent to women, etc., but I did not see one site that had language like “I’m sick of all fucking men…. fuck these dogs…. fuck these male sluts…. next one that comes on here giving us a hard time, I’ll IM him and give him a virtual throat-slit…. fuck these American men, we need to look elsewhere for mates ….” (all examples BTW, of language seen on THIS board).
There is nowhere near the level of pure hate directed at men. I can only guess that men (who’ve always had the power in society/business/government, and still do for the most part), are so indignant and fearful about losing it, that this is where all their rage is stemming from. I could try to “search” some more for sites that are the female equivalent of this one, but again, my point is, if I have to LOOK for female sites that totally HATE on men (and yet I’m not finding them), and I DON’T look for male sites that HATE on women (and yet I come across them all the time), it would stand to reason that sites such as this one are FAR more prevalent than vice versa. Clearly women have just as many issues with the men in their lives as men do with women, yet why are SOME men filled with such venom? Truly scary stuff.
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Re: Women and talking
Post by John Ross on Sept 27, 2005, 11:54am
Sept 27, 2005, 11:05am, yipyap wrote:Clearly women have just as many issues with the men in their lives as men do with women, yet why are SOME men filled with such venom? Truly scary stuff.
Because many men have had their wives choose to wreck their families on a whim, and as a result they never get to see their kids any more.
Imagine this scenario, yipyap:
You marry and continue to work. Your husband works part-time. You have children. You continue to work. Your husband continues to work part-time, and ferries the kids around to friends’ houses, soccer games, etc. You pay all the bills. Your husband spends all of his paycheck on clothes. Periodically you have to dip into your savings to pay off the credit card debt he’s run up.
Your marriage isn’t quite the happily-ever-after that you hoped for, but you and your husband don’t fight, and both of you love the kids. Your husband has a constant, vague sense of dissatisfaction with his life, but you think your life is pretty good.
One day you come home and the house is stripped. Your husband has cleaned out everything, including all the money in the joint accounts. Your husband has filed for divorce.
You go to a lawyer and discover that it’s pretty much already decided: Your husband will get the kids, and you get to work at seeing them once or twice a week. You’ll have to pay a settlement of maybe $200,000-$300,000 as a lump sum, $1000-ish per child in child support ’til they’re 18, and “maintenance” to your husband of $20,000 per year. This maintenance will be until he remarries or dies.
“Wait a minute,” you say to your lawyer. “I didn’t do anything wrong! “I supported our family, and paid for everything, and never cheated. If my husband was so miserable, I can understand him leaving, but now I have to buy him a house, I lose my kids, and I have to PAY HIM indefinitely for this privilege? Why didn’t anyone tell me he could do this, and the courts would back him up? I’d NEVER have married him if I’d known he could cash out on me like this!”
If YOU had been in this scenario, or had seen it replayed time and again with your women friends, mightn’t you have just a wee bit of venom towards men?
JR
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Re: Women and talking
Post by Snakey on Sept 27, 2005, 12:11pm
Well said JR, but I’m not sure cupcake here is capable of understanding the male perspective. She’s blind to the misandry in the mainstream because it’s the background color to everything. It’s certainly possible for men to unplug themselves from the FeMatrix, but I have yet to find a woman who has come from a feminized perspective and, through reason and demonstration, come around to understand the male perspective. Which makes me wonder why I’m going to bother, but anyway:
Can you honestly tell me, dear trollette yipyap, that the situation of men in the family court is a fair one?
I don’t think the talk at this site is generally hateful. There’s anger, as there should be, but it’s nothing to what Dworkin said about us men, Dworkin feminist leader and standard bearer. She said we should all be killed, among other things, and I don’t see that here. She has been instrumental in the “teachings” in wymyn’s studees courses world wide. If you dislike hateful rhetoric, go after her and her legion of hateful dingbats, churned out of the colleges by the thousand every year. We’re a bunch of men on a message board, warning other men about injustices and grave risks they face. Some men here have faced the injustice, been nailed in the family court, which will make them angry, often very angry. Yet here you are, like so many other trollettes before you, finger wagging and demanding we justify ourselves.
And here’s a revolutionary idea: Fuck off, how’s that sound? Sounds fine to me. Go after the feminazis if you don’t like hateful talk based on gender. You aren’t going to change anyone’s mind here. You’ll become more indignant the more you are proved wrong, until you finally bail out, tail between your legs, like every other trollette, having wasted everyone’s time, including yours.
Fact is simply this: men are on the raw end of the stick, and have been since feminism reared its ugly head. Before then, the raw end of the stick was shared evenly, now it’s all privilege for women, all burdens for men. Yet there’s a cult of idiotic bimbos who still try to pump us for more, more, more, still telling us how hard their pampered little lives are. Well, you will pardon a man who has discovered he’s a slave, thanks to the family court, objecting to such a tone from some spoiled princess.
And enjoy the privileges while you can. The time to pay the piper is at hand.
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Re: Women and talking
Post by Optimusprime on Sept 27, 2005, 9:07pm
The day is coming that men will wake up and realise that they too have power and will rebel against women and their oppression… Men will realise that we don’t need something or somebody to make our life happy, as happiness comes from within.
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Re: Women and talking
Post by NoFilter on Sept 27, 2005, 9:15pm
Seems that so many women suffer from “no filter” syndrome. The last woman I had a relationship with spoke more quickly than she could think. In retrospect there wasn’t much thinking going on to begin with. She would say downright hurtful , insensitive and insulting things to me, her family and friends. She lost most of her friends because of this practice. She also managed to tell me way more detail about every sordid detail of her past than any guy would need to know….so much so that she virtually admitted that she could understand why no guy would want to marry her let alone be with her.
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Re: Women and talking
Post by Optimusprime on Sept 27, 2005, 9:46pm
What are women good for but to have sex with and bear children, the rest is not important.
Anyone ever seen a female philosopher? Seems all the deep thinking is done by men.
Women now have the opportunity to become virtually all they want to be, yet, I don’t see a single female Michelangelo or DaVinci, maybe they want to be like us, but only to get ‘equality’ and not feel stupid compared to us men…
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Re: Women and talking
Post by name on Sept 27, 2005, 10:29pm
yipyap,
you are very wrong. The reason you dont see the blatant this, that and the other amongst women about men is because women are ’subtle.’ You know how it goes. You guys dress your message up in linguistic subterfuge so as not to make your misandry obvious. You know that coded, double meaning, contrived circular argumentative discourse in which you bury your propensity to vilify men. In fact l would go so far as to elucidate a favourite feminist theory regarding sexism and prejudice, by way of gender juxtaposition, and say that misandry has become so ingrained in the social fabric that people are not generally aware that they are doing it or that it is being done to them.
The nature of your posts suggests that you have absolutely no empathy nor compassion for the experience of your brothers. You know, us evil, nasty, latent rapists and pedophiles, otherwise known as men, have for the most part, supported the plight of women’s inequality for the last 40-50yrs. You will find that most men actually agree with one of the central pillars of feminism namely… GENDER equality. That, according to first wave femisists, includes BOTH genders. However, wot men are now finally recognising, is that most women pay a sort of glib lip service to this notion. Its more a case of equality only when it suits you and frankly its weak, tedious and annoying, to the point that you are systematically destroying any semblance of credibility. Its very hard to respect people whom one does not believe.
When are you going to exhibit some of that famed feminine side? You know, caring, nurturing, fair mindedness, support and understanding. When are you going to show some basic compassion and empathy for our experiences? Without, dismissing and ridiculing everything we say. That approach just about sloughs away any microscopic slivers of credibility that you may possess. Eventually the words of those whom lack credibility just become noise and folks just switch off.
l think you may have lost your way and stumbled into an internet back alley in this place. You seem to just want to argue, vilify and invalidate. Your posts strike me as just another example of ‘the problem.’ The logical fallacies that permeate your posts strike me as a basic rebuttal of your claims of intellect. Here is a place you might want to look at for an insight into the basic building blocks of intellect… Guide to Logical Fallacies… http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/fallacy/toc.php
l know this post sounds somewhat condescending and patronizing, well because, it is. When in the company of romans…
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Re: Women and talking
Post by you on Sept 27, 2005, 10:57pm
Sept 27, 2005, 10:29pm, name wrote:… and say that misandry has become so ingrained in the social fabric that people are not generally aware that they are doing it or that it is being done to them.
Unconscious Misandry
The Perils of the Unconscious Mind
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Re: Women and talking
Post by sirchancealot on Sept 27, 2005, 11:16pm
Sept 26, 2005, 8:05pm, yipyap wrote:….while misogynists talk about females’ collective and apparent inability to have anything of substance to say.
I love when women make your point for you!
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Re: Women and talking
Post by sirchancealot on Sept 27, 2005, 11:26pm
Sept 26, 2005, 10:02pm, yip wrote:I actually said: … I am not aware of one site ….
I rather think that what you are not aware of would fill several websites.
Quote:… I’m not going to waste my time online finding all the men vs. women sites, but I can GUARANTEE you there is no comparison.
Translated: “I’m not going to waste my time with facts, when you should just take me at my word. Women NEVER lie, you know”
Quote:As you may know, craigslist.com (US) is a microcosm of sorts of the country, and the posts there of men spouting vitriol against women is unparalleled.
Did men IN GENERAL spout vitriol against women in ages past? If not, honey you need to ask yourself “What changed?” Men haven’t. They still want the same 3 things they have always wanted: fuck, fed, and respected.
Quote:Also, I never went LOOKING for men vs. women sites. But since I encounter so much of this venom elsewhere on the internet, I eventually get directed to these sites. But I never seem to get directed to women vs. men sites…. Hmmmm.
Hmmmm… and even though you never go LOOKING, you just happen, perchance, to find the time to post on those same sites?
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Re: Women and talking
Post by gmm567 on Sept 28, 2005, 12:06am
Go check out heartlessbitch.com, bitch.
There’s far less viciousness here than there is there.
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