Don’t Marry

Why Modern, Western Marriage Has Become A Bad Business Decision For Men

For the guys that don’t date…


For the guys that don’t date…
Post by John Ross on Sept 28, 2005, 3:07pm

…why are you here? I don’t mean that in a nasty way, but true curiosity.

We’re all here to some extent to help struggling guys or those thinking of marrying to make wiser decisions. I think everyone did a great job at helping MagCitrate see where he was headed. We have every right to feel pleased.

But the guys who don’t have ANYTHING to do with women, what do you get out of this place? If your advice is always, “Women aren’t worth it, have nothing to do with them, they’re just a stinky hole,” well, the MagCitrates of the world aren’t likely to see that as a viable solution, not if they enjoy sex and recreational companionship with women, as most of us do. You’re not going to have much sense of satisfaction at helping another guy out, when he’s said over and over that sex is important to him.

I get a lot out of this site with what I learn. Daniel Amneus’ writings are brilliant and spot-on, and Agitator introduced me to his work.

But you guys who don’t date, what do you get out of the other posters?

Imagine a discussion board dealing with what to do about arthritic knuckles. While others discuss linaments, meditation, etc., you folks have solved your problem by amputating your hands. I’m not saying that wasn’t the right thing to do, I’m saying that since the problem is now irrelevant for you, what is the point of you discussing problems in joints that don’t exist?

Just curious…

JR
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Re: For the guys that don’t date…
Post by antiriad on Sept 28, 2005, 3:13pm

Some men seek relationships because of social pressure. Some of them even end up here; they might be in a bad relationship and people here can help them avoid making two mistakes at once.

Women’s behavior will change when men no longer tolerate bad behavior. Until then it will only get worse. So the objective is to inform as many men as possible of the western woman problem. Some won’t be receptive – perhaps even the majority. Still, each man awakened from the fematrix is more than worth the effort.
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Post by chrisw79 on Sept 28, 2005, 3:28pm

In all irony, I stumbled across the site while Googling for information about women’s thinking!

In a previous thread I mentioned a 39-year-old woman I was sleeping with for a short time. That was just earlier this month. While that was happening I felt great. Always had sexual issues (raised Catholic, not the ideal physical specimen, women didn’t seem to want intelligence when oily muscles were in sight), and this woman didn’t care about any of them.

Or so I thought. Seems she was willing to tolerate my flaws in exchange for a relationship, which she was gunning for even before I went home the first night. I told her even before I got to her home that I wasn’t interested in one. She ignored my stance and tried to sneak hers in.

She spilled her guts in an email, basically saying, “The sex is great, but I’m falling for you, so I have to kick you to the curb and go back to screwing old guys without protection. Call me if you want to come over again, but you will have to get into a relationship with me now.”

The twisted attempts at logic slammed into my head. Contradictions, baiting, double standards…is this really how ALL women think? It matched with the girls I’ve dated. It matched with a few articles I’ve read. It matched with what several girls have told me (between words in their “All men suck, and I’m so glad you’re letting me spew this vitriol all over you” rants).

So I went looking for answers. And came on a site that has lots of information about divorce, as well as personal anecdotes that are both chilling and enlightening.

Got me thinking about marriage in general. I’m someone who was never comfortable with the idea of marriage. My parents only stayed together for the kids, and made no efforts to hide that. They constantly badgered me, ridiculed me, denied me opportunities that I could have used and really wanted. I thought, “if this is what marriage was like, I don’t want to be married. If this is what raising kids entails, I don’t want to have any.”

And that position has held. Thanks for everything, guys.

Note: I don’t hate women. Hate is a useless emotion that only poisons. I have known many wonderful women – most of whom were only wonderful until they got what they wanted. From someone else. I am frustrated by prevailing attitudes about relationships. Perhaps I’ll expound on my thinking later. But for now, I have class.
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Re: For the guys that don’t date…
Post by Lee on Sept 28, 2005, 3:33pm

Sept 28, 2005, 3:07pm, John Ross wrote:…why are you here? I don’t mean that in a nasty way, but true curiosity.

We’re all here to some extent to help struggling guys or those thinking of marrying to make wiser decisions. I think everyone did a great job at helping MagCitrate see where he was headed. We have every right to feel pleased.

But the guys who don’t have ANYTHING to do with women, what do you get out of this place? If your advice is always, “Women aren’t worth it, have nothing to do with them, they’re just a stinky hole,” well, the MagCitrates of the world aren’t likely to see that as a viable solution, not if they enjoy sex and recreational companionship with women, as most of us do. You’re not going to have much sense of satisfaction at helping another guy out, when he’s said over and over that sex is important to him.

I get a lot out of this site with what I learn. Daniel Amneus’ writings are brilliant and spot-on, and Agitator introduced me to his work.

But you guys who don’t date, what do you get out of the other posters?

Imagine a discussion board dealing with what to do about arthritic knuckles. While others discuss linaments, meditation, etc., you folks have solved your problem by amputating your hands. I’m not saying that wasn’t the right thing to do, I’m saying that since the problem is now irrelevant for you, what is the point of you discussing problems in joints that don’t exist?

Just curious…

JR

Imagine a forum where most of the posters were discussing arthritic knuckles, but you didn’t have arthritis.

BUT, you had it in the past, as did all the other posters.

Men here have dated, are dating or will date. Thus the subject of dating women is of interest to them. One doesn’t need to participate in an act in order to be interested in the subject or to discuss it in a forum.
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Re: For the guys that don’t date…
Post by John Ross on Sept 28, 2005, 3:50pm

Sept 28, 2005, 3:28pm, chrisw79 wrote:In all irony, I stumbled across the site while Googling for information about women’s thinking!

If you don’t hear from me for a while, it’s because my computer melted down from a mouthful of coffee on the keyboard!

JR
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Post by Optimusprime on Sept 28, 2005, 4:06pm

Women favourite motto: “I hate men!”
Almost all the women I’ve met have had issues, and it really breaks my heart that men put up with unfulfilled, sexless, emotionally abusive marriages because they are afraid to be alone and like the occasional rushed sex.
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Post by you on Sept 28, 2005, 4:22pm

Liking rushed sex? Ooohh, you sound like a real catch; bet the ladies love you. If all your women had issues, maybe that should say something about yourself and what attracts you to them.
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Post by thechief on Sept 28, 2005, 4:27pm

Anybody checking out the ad strip at the top of the page? It’s all about religion. Guess because the first sentence on the page is “….why are you here?” It thinks we’re getting all existential.

OK, I’m bored, I admit it….not the most profound post I’ve ever tacked up, but you can’t hit a home run every time….gimme a break….
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Post by Simpson on Sept 28, 2005, 4:30pm

Do you wonder why we are not nice to women who post here, it is because of this sort of shaming tactic:

Quote:Ooohh, you sound like a real catch; bet the ladies love you. If all your women had issues, maybe that should say something about yourself and what attracts you to them.

Go fuck yourself “you”. He made a valid point which other the other men here recognise.
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Post by openeyes on Sept 28, 2005, 4:50pm

I often take breaks from dating women, simply to focus on my own life and enjoy myself. I enjoy reading sites like this because it provides a bit of kinship over issues that aren’t so widely welcome in conversation among most people in public. Few men will admit to how they really feel about women while an attractive girl is nearby, but here people have a chance to share their views and not worry so much about being alienated in their personal lives.

Some people don’t understand how I can enjoy being alone much of the time (an ex can’t see how I’ve gone two months without sex, for example), but for me it’s simply more peaceful. Being away from women for a while provides a chance for the mind to clear and suddenly one sees females aren’t quite so integral to happiness. Often the opposite.

Before my dating break I’d gone a few months being with a different woman every week or two. Kind of fun, but upon seeing how easy the physical part was, the challenge was gone and with it much of my interest. As for emotionally and intellectually connecting, that seems to largely work well with friends, as a bit of mystery seems integral to attraction. I’m still learning to have fun with it

As the game is right now, it’s easy to become jaded, but as I get better at long term physical/intellectual relationships rather than just “hooking up” it should become more fulfilling (if not, I simply take another welcome break).

busy knocking over women’s pedestals …
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Re: For the guys that don’t date…
Post by you on Sept 28, 2005, 4:56pm

Oh, Optimusprick, did I hurt your feelings? Oh, that’s right, my bad; men don’t react to emotions or feelings.
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Re: For the guys that don’t date…
Post by playerintraining on Sept 28, 2005, 5:17pm

JR,

Good question.

I don’t “date” in the conventional sense of the term. But I wouldn’t say I’ve sworn off women like some men here. I guess I’m trying to accept the reality of their behavior, and find a “middle way” between the manipulations of the PUA’s and the vow of celibacy some men here have decided to take.

Going to prostitutes or strip clubs is not an option for me. I decide who is more exploited: the women who flirt or fuck for dollars, or the men who pay them.

The 2 times in my 29 years I’ve actually been to a strip joint were not all that enjoyable, when I thought about it.

I can see how men could be seduced by it, but deep down, I know those women have absolutely no respect for the men who come to see them, and can’t sleep with a woman who I KNOW has absolutely no respect for me.

(BTW, I make no judgments on men who do these things, although I think they might feel better about themselves if they stopped.)

I haven’t been as seriously hurt by women, unlike some men here. I dated a girl for 7 years (through 4 yrs of college, and a few years after). We lived together for a few years afterwards, and she was the total opposite of most women here.

She would have been a good wife, as far as I could tell. There were none of the red flags that we talk about here. She saved money, treated me well, and knew how to compromise. Her parents were married for over 30 years, and her mother was a nice woman. We had maybe 2 fights during 6 of the 7 years we were together.

Still, she wanted to get married, and I didn’t. We were both in the mid 20’s at the time, and she was the only woman I had ever really dated. So, I broke up with her.

But since then, I’ve grown annoyed at the stupid shit women pull on men when you are going through the so called “dating game.”

My first complaint is the intense efforts a woman will go through to get you to ask her out, only to flake out at the last minute–either to see how persistent you are, or to get a thrill out of rejecting you. I’ve had that happen to me on more than one occasion. That makes me a bit reserved around women. I don’t particularly enjoy talking to them, until I get to know them better.

Ironically, my stand-offish attitude makes them feel somewhat uncomfortable–particularly the attractive ones. They seem to try harder to get my attention. But they act in a way that assumes I’m like other men, and can easily be manipulated with suggestions of casual sex.

That brings me to another particularly galling trait women demonstrate: shitting on you, by showing disrespect for you, and then trying to make it up to you by hinting at sex. It’s as if they think sleeping with you will make you forget how they put the screws to you.

I guess the sad fact is that this strategy works all too well on most men.

I’ve always viewed sex as a gift men and women give to each other, and it isn’t something a woman “gives” to a man, in exchange for something else. I can’t respect a woman who acts in such a mercenary fashion.

A third complaint: women have little loyalty. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had a woman practically throw herself at me at a bar or club, when her BF was either coming to meet her, or somewhere nearby. I refuse to be a pawn in some woman’s game of “Let’s see you and him fight.”

It is all too easy to put the blame squarely on women. No doubt, they share a large part of the blame. But men don’t help the situation when they continue to expect less and less from a female companion.

Women of all types find it odd that I’m single. I suppose in a different set of circumstances I’d be natural Don Juan, but I don’t feel that way now.

In order to be successful with AW, you need to the patience of Job, and mental stability of Budda and Christ himself, in order not to be flustered by the shit women throw at you.

Let’s just say I’m not at that point yet. When I can forgive women for their stupidity, and just accept them for what they are, I’ll feel that I’ve gotten this area of my life taken care of.
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Re: For the guys that don’t date…
Post by nastyrobot on Sept 28, 2005, 5:30pm

I disagree. I think if Job had to date in the 21st century he’d be stumbling around drunk, cussin and spittin. He’d be high as a kite setting fire to shit.
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Post by travis on Sept 28, 2005, 5:52pm

Sept 28, 2005, 3:07pm, John Ross wrote:…why are you here? I don’t mean that in a nasty way, but true curiosity.

I found this forum through the mancoat forum, after the time when Susan arrived. I’m still here just to occasionally contribute a topic and also watch and relish as a girl comes thinking she’s hot stuff and suddenly stops posting a day or so later. Plus, it’s nice to be in a place full of people with common thoughts and feelings. It makes one realize that he’s not alone.
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Post by khankrumthebulgar on Sept 28, 2005, 5:52pm

My second marriage was hell for 7 years of 8 married. I had 6 celibate years. Thankfully she could not get pregnant and we had no children together. So when we parted ways there were no ties to bind us together. She wants me back. I think that will change when she meets someone and will finally let me go. She is extremely spoiled, self centered, and self absorbed. It was all about what she wanted. Only when she realized I was leaving did she change temporarily to try to hold onto me. By then it was too late.

I have basically got tired of the games. BS, Women trying to use me as an emotional Tampon. And I have gotten so jaded that When I go to see a buddy at an upscale Venue nearby I ignore the Women completely. Problem is that is a challenge to them. They will literally step in between my Friend and I to get my attention. I am hard to miss. I am 6’5″, fit 225 lbs, 34″ waist and look 35 although I am 49.

I am lucky genes are what did it. And regular fitness routine for 9 years. But the problem is that the 30 something Women are into head games, tests, etc. I just don’t want to be bothered anymore. I guess I need time to evaluate and reflect before re entering the fray. I no longer look forward to it.
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Post by travis on Sept 28, 2005, 5:56pm

“But the problem is that the 30 something Women are into head games, tests, etc.” ~khan

Are you serious? I always thought that after 28 or so, they’d get rid of the mind gaming and flush the shit outta themselves and act somewhat sane. When is it that women stop playing these stupid games?
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Post by TyHigs on Sept 28, 2005, 6:18pm

Sept 28, 2005, 3:07pm, John Ross wrote:…why are you here? I don’t mean that in a nasty way, but true curiosity.
….
Just curious…

JR

I think a better question is, How the hell can YOU deal with these bitches? Cause I know I cant tolerate them one bit.
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Post by mikeash on Sept 28, 2005, 6:29pm

I have not sworn off dating or women, but I am extremely cautious these days.

The problem is that when you first meet a woman, in my experience, she is nothing like she will be when the relationship gets further along.

The last woman I dated was someone I had talked with and been friendly with for about 3 years. We grew closer and started dating and ended up getting serious. Once we reached the 6 month point, she became a completely different person. She was no longer the friendly, fun person I fell in love with, but neurotic and argumentative.

I broke up with her after a year (slow learner), and she wanted a second chance. We dated for about a month longer and she broke up with me, but when I agreed it was for the best, she said she didn’t really mean it.

We as men are tired of putting our efforts into pleasing a woman who is not what she seems. Far too many men find out after a child and marriage is involved, at which point the ability to back out of a relationship is extremely costly both emotionally and financially.

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Post by The Author on Sept 28, 2005, 6:32pm

I Think dating is GREAT, once you know what you will and will not stand for. Once you already know you are happy where you are, and will only change the situation if you meet an exceptional woman. Also, after some “enlightenment’, you know yourself a lot more. What you do and do not bring to the table. What traits you can not have in a partner. It is empowering knowing you have certain non-negotiable requirements in a committed partnership, and are willing to stay put if they are not met. This comes with age, wisdom, security, and having options.

If someone is guilty of undesirable traits, it doesn’t hassle me one bit. She’s just not for me. No hard feelings. Plenty of men will be more than happy to take that on. Go for it. I am at a stage in life, where just a pretty face no longer cuts it for me. I certainly enjoy dating MORE, now that I know what character traits I value beyond looks.
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Post by Richie Rich on Sept 28, 2005, 6:51pm

….I learned something in here!!!

Not to give a rat ass about what most women want unless they are coming to the table with something as well. Honestly, I dont seem to have much problem attracting women my age (early 30’s). I just seemed to have set my standards way too high for even mediocre women to meet. Other than that, there is no use hating women unless one plans to start dating men. That is probably why so many fags are surfacing these days, women have driven them to madness!!!
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Post by ddg on Sept 28, 2005, 7:18pm

I haven’t sworn off women (although some think I have) nor do I hate them. I am tired of their bullshit though and this site is a welcome stop on the information superhighway.

I found this site through an e-mail from another site. It is refreshing to see that there are other men out there who feel as I do and have gone through similar experiences. If anything can be said about this site it’s that you’re not alone.
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Post by luckilysingle on Sept 28, 2005, 7:31pm

In my early 20s I was like just about every other guy, chasing women.

After seeing a friend through a hellish marriage, I stopped dating completely. I came back into “the scene” because I’m 35, not getting any younger, and rather lonely. I discovered much to my dismay that the dating/marriage market for a 30-something male is an absolute mine-field of predatory women. Either they are divorced with kids in tow, single with “my little mistake” in tow, or single/divorced and desperate to get pregnant.

I bar the door, and warn absolutely every male I possibly can avoid financial devastation and a life of misery in his later years.
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Post by luckilysingle on Sept 28, 2005, 7:32pm

Also I must say a hellish DIVORCE!!!!!
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Post by Richard Cranium on Sept 28, 2005, 10:40pm

It’s more of a case of me being not allowed to play the game then choosing to not play. I’m 38, short, thin, losing my hair, and dirt poor. I have zero desires to marry or have kids. I refuse to bow down to the princess syndrome. I’m blunt & honest. None of these qualities are found the least bit attractive by women of any age. They just don’t see me in any way, shape, or form in a sexual or romantic way. At best I’m a “friend.” Women my age have far too much baggage and 22 year olds see me as old enough to be their father. Sometimes it’s extremely frustrating as I have needs & desires like most healthy men. Sometimes I’m thankful I don’t have the problems some do. No alimony, child support, stuck in a bad marriage, psycho stalkers. I’ve given up hope of finding that “perfect match.” Does it bother me? Sometimes. Can I change it? Nope.
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Post by gamee on Sept 28, 2005, 10:50pm

I find that dating the 30-35 year olds are husband/father interviews and not really dating.
I dated a 32 year old woman who had it all planned out. Engagement in 3 months, wedding no later than 1 year later, 1 year to”enjoy” each other, and then the kids..3 to be exact..all before age 38. it would have been nice to feel that she actually loved me.
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Post by The Author on Sept 28, 2005, 11:18pm

Cranium,

1) Is thin bad? Are you gaunt? Well, for $70/mo, you can join a gym, and bulk up. 20 mins a day. Problem solved

2) How short are you? Wear shoes with chunky heels. This will help. Go to a tailor/fashion person, and ask what style of clothing will make you look taller. (loose, tight, vert. stripes, etc)

3) Losing hair. Try shaving it. It’s not the hair. It’s the confidence. Die Hard/Bruce Wills, the Diesel guy, etc. If you are MANLY, hair can be overcome. Buzz it. See what happens.

4) Poor? Well, work harder. Set some goals. Pay off debts. Invest some. Take a loan and educate for a better career. Call on your entire network of people/friends/family to find a new job/career oppty. Work it, bro. This is a slower road than the other issues, but once on the right track, you’re 1/2 way there.

Your problem is confidence. An apologetic man is not manly. At all. Begin to address your issues. ALL of them can be addressed to some degeree. As your confidence grows, so will your ability to attract the opposite sex.

PS: Blunt and honest are what you have going for you. Don’t be a rude bitter pr*ck. But telling it like it is = confidence = manly = desirable.
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Post by The Author on Sept 28, 2005, 11:22pm

gamee, After age 29, girls “stop having fun”, and become much more deliberate. For now, I am able to date down to mid/late 20’s, and not feel direct “husband interviews”. But in a sense, it’s fine, b/c I am doing “interviews” as well. . I do not waste time with princesses, etc. I plan to keep myself in great shape, and am always an interesting person, which has universal appeal.
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Post by name on Sept 29, 2005, 2:22am

You dont need to be a librarian or author to read a book.
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Post by Niall on Sept 29, 2005, 4:35am

Like Khank, although possibly not as good looking, I am in the same position. I don’t date anymore I fuck women. I use a condom even though by pin was pulled sometime ago.

After my marriage and a few other disasters I just don’t put up with their bullshit anymore and wadda you know? Its like catnip to them. They come to me now.

I have a high sex drive so celibacy is not an option for me but I can see it is a valid option for those with lower drives.

To JR’s point. If you have your hand in a pan of boiling water you can comment on it. If you remove your hand form the boiling water you can still comment on it. The only ones who can’t comment are those who’ve never been burned as they don’t know.

I post on here merely to try and help younger men from getting screwed over by relating my experiences because I have been burnt.
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Post by Grunt on Sept 29, 2005, 5:06am

Great controlled opposition post! Kudos, propagandists. How long did it take to work out the problem/reaction/solution map on this one? The “random posting by angry female” act was a nice touch, too. *golf clap*

But seriously, if you date ANY western female…you are quite bonkers.

Conversely, if you base your opinions and perceptions on western females…you are equally bonkers.

Any man that has not been to South America, Asia, or Eastern Europe for extended periods yet proports to being an “expert” on female behaviour is simply a buffoon (queue all propagandist ‘happy bachelors’ to whip up some world travel fables).

Once a man literally finds himself awash in a sea of thin, pretty, well educated, warm, and caring ladies…this entire debate is exposed for what it is.

Propaganda.

Get off your collective ass, men of the west. Or at the very least, make plans to do so in the future.

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Post by Riskbreaker on Sept 29, 2005, 10:12am

QUOTE(Arthur)
I completely agree that American women are parasites. I also like what I am reading in this forum with respect to not marrying them. I can even get with the idea of Eastern European women. But I see a couple of problems.

First, once a guy has met an Eastern European lady, where are they going to live? Should the guy just pick up and go? Or, should he go through the process of moving her to America? If he decides to move her to the US doesn’t money become an issue?

Next point. If the decision is to move her here, the word “quarantine” leaps to mind. By this I mean that American women act the way the do because our stupid laws let them. The divorce, child support, and custody laws give women a shot at our wallets at every turn. How long would it take for an Eastern European woman to figure this out?

I think we should work to change the culture/laws in the US and then start bringing Eastern European women over here. After that we can ship out the American women. I recommend Siberia.

QUOTE(Arthur)
While reading this forum, I have noticed a pattern. It appears that a percentage of guys here have decided to leave the US and find women elsewhere.

Why?

Wasn’t it MEN that fought and started this country?

For the most part, hasn’t it been MEN that have fought and died to defend this country?

Why should we have to leave?

Instead of leaving, take a different approach. Stand and fight. Start linking up with other groups/websites that share the same view. Use various media outlets to get the word out. Teach our SONS to take control earlier in relationships. Engage in a marriage strike. Start pressuring lawmakers to support/recognize the rights of males. The vote of 1994 should sound familiar. In summary, let’s start serving women the same meal that they have been feeding us for 30 years.

Men started this country. It’s time for men to fix it.

From Zenpriest:
Feminist author Wendy Dennis came out with a book in the early 1990s called “Hot and Bothered: sex and love in the 90s.” Among many other astute observations in the book was that nothing was more classically typical of the state of male/female relations than the woman who complained bitterly about every aspect of men, then couldn’t figure out why she couldn’t get one of these awful creatures to fall madly in love with her. I had observed the same thing so many times that I had simply concluded that such women were simply not very bright. In stark contrast to the mythology of how socially adept women are, I was baffled that such women were so stupid that they didn’t realize that no living thing will respond to such projections of distaste, contempt, and hatred with anything except return animosity.

Zenpriest on Men Screaming THE BIG TRUTH

While a lot of the guys on this board are planning on getting out of Dodge and abandoning the US, there are some of us who for various reasons have chosen to make our stand here and slug it out with the feminidiots to the bitter end.

The baffling lack of unity and cohesiveness among men which has kept us from mustering a coherent response to feminidiocy has been sad and frustrating, but at this point must simply be considered a condition of the environment in which we have to fight this war. What I see emerging is a relatively spontaneous, not at all organized, generalized change in the behavior and choices of men – the marriage boycott being one example, the boycott of institutions of higher Indoctrination being another.

It is too bad that the whole Hitler/Nazi analogy has been so overused, because next to Machiavelli, Hitler probably understood the mechanisms of power better than anyone else in history.

The fundamental strategy was “telling the BIG LIE” – something outrageously untrue, but repeated enough times that people either begin to believe it, or at least become afraid to let anyone know that they don’t.

Feminists have told millions of “BIG LIES” about men – about Domestic Violence, Rape, “Glass Ceilings”, “the Patriarchy”, etc, etc, etc, yadda, yadda, yadda, ad nauseum.

“Political Correctness” has made it a near crime to even challenge the BIG LIES™.

Men have lost as much ground as they have in this war because they were intimidated into silence by the millions of fembots and their near-male sycophants screaming the BIG LIE in unison.

The fundamental weakness of the BIG LIE strategy is that it only works when it IS a lie. If men had ever hated women as much as the feminidiots claim men have, the femdroids would have never gotten to first base. It is has been men’s desire to maintain some social honor that led to them being silenced by accusations that any criticism of feminism equated to “hating women.”

There is a principle of ceremonial magic that one only has to speak a spell 3 times to make it binding and make it become true. Women have spoken the “you hate women” spell many more times than that, and it is beginning to come true.

The feminidiots have thrown away their most powerful weapon by overuse – when they try to silence a man by saying “well, you must hate women” and he responds “you are right, I do” – they have no “plan B.”

So, now freed from the fear of being called “woman haters” which silenced them for so long, men must now begin to speak the BIG TRUTH!

The illusion that women are “the kinder, more caring, fairer sex” has allowed them to get away with murder, literally. But, it is now being swept away by images of Lynndie England, cigarette hanging out of her skankish mouth, grinning at her power to humiliate men. It is being swept away by by news stories of gangs of girls stomping other girls into comas or even to death. It is being swept away by story after story of mothers killing and horribly abusing their children.

It is now time for millions of men’s voices to start being heard, screaming the BIG TRUTH at the top of their lungs.

Screw the assholes who want to copyright it and put their names on it so they can sell their books and fill their seminars and make a buck off the pain and confusion of other men.

I got a real chuckle out of Verlch’s recent mining of my site. He is using my writing exactly as I wanted men to use it – to spread the BIG TRUTH without regard to what clever asshole first wrote it down, to say it and spread it and speak it any and every time the opportunity arises.

My words are yours to use to OUR benefit, guys. I am an above-average word monger, but I put my words out in the public domain for men to pick up and use as their own swords in the battle against the BIG LIE.

If what I write resonates with any man, he has blanket permission to use anything I have ever written as his own words that he would have come up with if he had had the time.

I believe that most men know the truth – in their guts. They feel it in their guts, and it is only when people fuck with their heads that they lose that knowing.

We need millions of men screaming the BIG TRUTH from the rooftops.
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Re: For the guys that don’t date…
Post by CuriePoint on Sept 29, 2005, 10:39am

What do I get out of these boards?

That’s simple. Commiseration, validation, and the looming sense that I am not alone in my philosophies. This place helps me to stay lean and angry, and that helps me to survive. As a species, we are biologically conditioned to seek out mates so that we can grunt out a few progeny before we die. As a divorced father of two, I have already fulfilled my biological imperatives, and thus am I obsolete and surplus to all requirements with regards to women. I would like to think that seeking out women is driven by our need for love and companionship. But what I see is that while dating is a possible means to that end, I have yet to meet any woman that isn’t looking at it as free dinners, free flowers, free nurturing, and emotional janitorial services.

For better or for worse, my anger, my pride, my heightened awareness, and sure a bit of my self-pity all finds consensus here. There aren’t any people telling me how wrong it is to feel angry or bitter, nor is there any spewing of “advice” as to how to keep myself submerged in the irrational desire for wet female orifices.

I like it here…to state it in simpler terminology.

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Re: For the guys that don’t date…
Post by Willie Molson on Sept 29, 2005, 10:49am

To Curie Point: Me too.
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Re: For the guys that don’t date…
Post by drago on Sept 29, 2005, 11:56pm

So what’s the moral of the story? Get married before you’re 30? I’m 27 with little dating experience. I’d like to have a shot at a decent woman before entering the mine field you’re talking about.

Sept 28, 2005, 7:31pm, luckilysingle wrote:In my early 20s I was like just about every other guy, chasing women.

After seeing a friend through a hellish marriage, I stopped dating completely. I came back into “the scene” because I’m 35, not getting any younger, and rather lonely. I discovered much to my dismay that the dating/marriage market for a 30-something male is an absolute mine-field of predatory women. Either they are divorced with kids in tow, single with “my little mistake” in tow, or single/divorced and desperate to get pregnant.

I bar the door, and warn absolutely every male I possibly can avoid financial devastation and a life of misery in his later years.

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Re: For the guys that don’t date…
Post by Richard Cranium on Sept 30, 2005, 2:37am

Sept 28, 2005, 11:18pm, The Author wrote:Cranium,

1) Is thin bad? Are you gaunt? Well, for $70/mo, you can join a gym, and bulk up. 20 mins a day. Problem solved

2) How short are you? Wear shoes with chunky heels. This will help. Go to a tailor/fashion person, and ask what style of clothing will make you look taller. (loose, tight, vert. stripes, etc)

3) Losing hair. Try shaving it. It’s not the hair. It’s the confidence. Die Hard/Bruce Wills, the Diesel guy, etc. If you are MANLY, hair can be overcome. Buzz it. See what happens.

4) Poor? Well, work harder. Set some goals. Pay off debts. Invest some. Take a loan and educate for a better career. Call on your entire network of people/friends/family to find a new job/career oppty. Work it, bro. This is a slower road than the other issues, but once on the right track, you’re 1/2 way there.

Your problem is confidence. An apologetic man is not manly. At all. Begin to address your issues. ALL of them can be addressed to some degeree. As your confidence grows, so will your ability to attract the opposite sex.

PS: Blunt and honest are what you have going for you. Don’t be a rude bitter pr*ck. But telling it like it is = confidence = manly = desirable.

Good points Author but here’s my rebuttal. Basically women want “A.” I am “B.” I don’t care to change to become “A.” When I’m more financially able I’ll hire a pro to take care of my “needs.” I’m comfortable with who & what I am. I just don’t have the energy to try to impress a bunch of Ameriskanks, and I can’t afford to travel abroad. So for now that’s my reality. Not forever though.
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Re: For the guys that don’t date…
Post by thechief on Sept 30, 2005, 9:55am

You should really try to become “A”–or at least certain aspects of “A”–for your own sake, not anybody else’s. Working out will make you feel better first and foremost, becoming more attractive to women will just be a nice side effect. Ditto changing your appearance. If you like what you see in the mirror better, that’s the most important thing. And as for working harder and saving? Cranium, let me tell you…throughout pretty much all of my marriage I was poor and riddled with debt. A bankruptcy about a year before my wife passed wiped out the debt, and the life insurance/social security/pension since has actually made me fairly comfortable. I’m not rich, but with some careful, disciplined investment I should be rich, or at least “richer,” within a few years. There is no way to overstate how the quality of your life improves when you don’t have to worry about money so much.

Read “The Richest Man in Babylon” (forget the name of the author, but you’ll be able to find it easily on Amazon). It’s a very short read and presents a simple plan for growing wealthier, along with some of the best motivation for doing so.
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Re: For the guys that don’t date…
Post by The Author on Sept 30, 2005, 5:46pm

Drago, I think you should wait until AFTER 30 to consider marriage. And the age isn’t your issue. You will be dating girls in their 20’s, who do not have kids. Male and female timelines are totally unrelated.

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Re: For the guys that don’t date…
Post by luckilysingle on Sept 30, 2005, 7:17pm

Most guys don’t realize just how family court is absolutely, totally stacked against them until they come face to face with it. I had the good fortune of seeing things up close and personal, but not directly affected by it.

In a VERY REAL, down to earth way, once a man agrees to a marriage, he totally relinquishes control of his life. A woman has the potential to absolutely DEVASTATE a man in a divorce. That is not propaganda, not quoting “yet-some-other-site.”

This is personal experience. I know the man involved in the divorce, his financial situation (he works 2 jobs) where his kids are and how often he gets to be with them. That is ONCE a year at Christmas when his parents are kind enough to buy him an airplane ticket home. He cannot afford one otherwise.

Any man considering marriage might as will put his head in a slow noose. That is what he is in for.
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Re: For the guys that don’t date…
Post by Optimusprime on Oct 1, 2005, 3:12am

I have seen friends also touched by divorce. My friend lived a sexless marriage, and he once told me, his wife hit him once. He had to pay her half the value of his home, she actually came (with the help of her christian church) on a day my friend wasn’t home and proceeded to empty the house of goods and the stuff she wanted to keep and load it onto a truck, she must have been planning this for quite sometime… luckily, my friend arrived and at least could stop her from taking the microwave… nasty stuff. (she took the rest, the police could not stop her from taking it since it was ‘hers’ as well, paid for with ‘his’ money) and she got full custody of the kids. My friend now lives at his house but, wait for it, he met a woman with kids and she moved in with him, they plan on marrying next! OH, MY, GOD… do some people never learn? Marriage, it ain’t what it used to be, it ain’t what it used to be…
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