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The Tide Is Slowly Turning
Post by RPCV on Dec 21, 2005, 7:49pm

I’ve been viewing this board for some time now and have seen it grow from a few postings to its present high level of activity. Happy to say that I was already enlightened about the behavior of AW before visiting this board but reading other people’s postings have reaffirmed by belief that my experiences were not simply isolated incidences.

Anyway, I say the tide is slowly turning. Case in point is that recently, women have been commenting to me on several occasions that feminism hasn’t provided them with what they had expected. In one woman’s words at my job, she felt “betrayed” by the movement and just wanted now to be married and help raise children.

Now I live in DC and work for the US govt so I am curious to know from other folks on this board if they have heard similar comments from women where they reside. The women I spoke to are 27-32 y/o (I’m 36) so that may be a factor.

At any rate, I strongly urge for everyone to get a passport or renew it if you have one. Traveling/living abroad has opening my eyes and made me realize how fortunate I am to be an American. We brothers here do not have to endure the nonsense that is fed to use daily by unrealistic, conniving, never satisfied AW. If you have found an AW that does not fit the previous description, congratulations. But if not, a trip overseas may be in order.

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Re: The Tide Is Slowly Turning
Post by Lee on Dec 21, 2005, 8:40pm

I lived in WDC 1975-1999, and the women there really took a deep dive off the Feminist Pier in 1984. Hostile, hateful, bigoted conversations and comments in bars, no less. What.the.fuck. Now, 20 years later they have come to their senses and want all the men they maligned to forgive them?

Fuck You, Ladies. Go to Hell. I got fed up and I moved. Suck it up bitches. You will have to repent for decades. Fooled us once, shame on you, fooled us twice, shame on us.
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Re: The Tide Is Slowly Turning
Post by antiriad on Dec 21, 2005, 9:55pm

The tide is not turning. See VAWA 2005. See fewer and fewer men on campus and nobody giving a shit. See the addendum to VAWA 2005 concerning foreign wives, etc. See Harvard spending $50 million on women’s science programs instead of men’s. The list is endless.
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Re: The Tide Is Slowly Turning
Post by uzername on Dec 21, 2005, 10:34pm

Its nice when they change their tune, tho its authenticity is a bit suspect when they do it at that magic age when they want the usual familial stuff. They can become very accommodating, tho l say beware of a wolf who breaks out the sheep costume when it suits them. Notice l say beware, not disable them and then run and hide. l dont think l could ever take seriously a person who does an apparently self serving 180 degree turn when they hit a dead end in their life outlook. Particularly such an obvious biological dead end so clearly marked on the map.

Anyway, enjoy that type as long as it lasts. Forgiving is a lot easier than forgetting. It is very difficult (maybe even impossible) to put the blinkers back on after you’ve seen the things unencumbered.

ps. l prefer to try and keep my mouth shut if a woman appears to discuss that sort of stuff in a conciliatory manner. In my experience they tend to have hidden agenda, so its easier, less work and virtually free of social and real consequences if l just play a bit dumb, ignorant, vague. Frankly l cant lm tired of ‘discussing’ political divides. Would rather talk about how blue the sky is and what a nice day it is to hang out at the beach.
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Re: The Tide Is Slowly Turning
Post by khankrumthebulgar on Dec 22, 2005, 9:21am

I would like to believe that Feminism has hit its last legs but the evidence says it is not so. The Legal Framework supports it. The Suicide rate is unchanged, our culture still treats Women like helpless infants needing protection, still excuses criminal behavior even homicide. The Education situation is a mess and getting worse. The Demands of Women according to Devvy Kid are bankrupting our nation. She is a Woman by the way.

VAWA, Women still initiate the majority of Divorces or Cash out as John Ross calls it. Women still expect Men to pay for everything on dates. Women still call all the shots in paternity, choice, reproduction, visitation, etc.

What has changed? They are spouting a different tune. Big Fucking Deal. Their actions have not changed. Don’t be fooled. It is their actions that count not the rhetoric. They are great Actresses. But their behavior has not changed. The Princess Attitude, the contempt for Men.

Sorry no sale her Sister. Take a hike and don’t let the door hit you on the ass going out.
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Re: The Tide Is Slowly Turning
Post by JimP on Dec 22, 2005, 9:44am

Feminism won’t be dead until I can marry a drop-dead gorgeous 18 year old foreign woman, bring her to the U.S. and be absolutely, 100% sure that if we get divorced she will get from me not a penny more than I decide to give her. Until that happens, feminism will be alive and well.

If the legal system allows men to do this, it will be the equivalent to what happened to the U.S. automotive industry when Japanese cars began to be imported; quality improved dramatically and prices dropped.

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Re: The Tide Is Slowly Turning
Post by soon to be SolShinobi on Dec 22, 2005, 11:18am

I wouldn’t care if the announced on the news that the Feminism died all together.

I would not buy that crap for a second. The bigger problem i see (that will never escape men) is a woman’s natural ability to just flip the phuk out. Do a complete 180 in personality just cause she got some bug up her but for the day.

Screw that. I don’t date, i won’t date but i’ll still have friends with benefits till i don’t even care to have that.

Marriage still exists, divorce still exists and so does all the crap that goes with it. Hell, the crap with dating is still in full force ad nauseum + unending crap = no thanks, i’ll pass.
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Re: The Tide Is Slowly Turning
Post by antiriad on Dec 22, 2005, 12:21pm

Dec 22, 2005, 11:18am, soon to be SolShinobi wrote:I wouldn’t care if the announced on the news that the Feminism died all together.

I would not buy that crap for a second. The bigger problem i see (that will never escape men) is a woman’s natural ability to just flip the phuk out. Do a complete 180 in personality just cause she got some bug up her but for the day.

Screw that. I don’t date, i won’t date but i’ll still have friends with benefits till i don’t even care to have that.

Marriage still exists, divorce still exists and so does all the crap that goes with it. Hell, the crap with dating is still in full force ad nauseum + unending crap = no thanks, i’ll pass.

Women have always been batshit insane. The difference is, previously it was left up to the husband to control his wife’s histrionics. Today, in the age of “progress and enlightenment,” hysterical, impulsive, irrational female behavior is viewed as “normal” and society suffers (as it must).

I wrote a pretty extensive polemic some time ago over on MC about how women’s low testosterone levels are what cause them to have an inconsistent perspective which does not permit causal thinking (and with it, responsibility) to the same degree to which it’s understood by men in general. Maybe I’ll post it if I ever figure out what topic I saved it under.
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Re: The Tide Is Slowly Turning
Post by Van on Dec 22, 2005, 5:51pm

This guy has some interesting theories on civilization and it’s slow decline:

http://www.ourcivilisation.com/
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Re: The Tide Is Slowly Turning
Post by Patr3 on Dec 22, 2005, 6:40pm

It might not be women changing TUNE so much as changing TACTICS. Most women probably have the same attitudes they have held for a long time, but now express things a little differently so as to not openly piss off potential mates. Women are probably not being more apologetic due to the marriage strike so much as more cunning.
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Re: The Tide Is Slowly Turning
Post by King Karan on Dec 22, 2005, 7:06pm

Patr3: right on the money!

Guys, don’t be fools, feminism is not disappearing anytime soon, but adapting to a slightly changing situation (in which we are at least two steps behind).

In fact, women count on the fact that men will never unite and that there are enough fools to keep the system going. The only solution is to opt out and spread the marriage strike!

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Re: The Tide Is Slowly Turning
Post by thechief on Dec 22, 2005, 7:13pm

The tide turning? Perhaps not, at least not yet. But we’re definitely seeing signs of panic. And Damn, is it entertaining…
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Re: The Tide Is Slowly Turning
Post by Citadel on Dec 22, 2005, 7:21pm

Quote:The tide is not turning. See VAWA 2005. See fewer and fewer men on campus and nobody giving a shit. See the addendum to VAWA 2005 concerning foreign wives, etc. See Harvard spending $50 million on women’s science programs instead of men’s. The list is endless.

This is the most realistic post I’ve seen on this thread. The tide isn’t turning at all, it’s getting worse and worse for men in general.

Two points:

1. Everywhere I go in public the men seem to be like women. They literally cower and act like scared children. I went to the post office and the men working there were letting women bark orders at them. How can any man be content with letting a woman order him around, even at work?

2. Next time you’re driving look at how many guys drive nice cars (BMW for example). I took a count today and for every 1 guy driving a BMW there were 4 women driving a BMW. That’s not worrying to anyone?

AWs in general I’m finding are becoming ruder and ruder. It’s time for American Men like us to get a leash on them. But how?
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Re: The Tide Is Slowly Turning
Post by King Karan on Dec 22, 2005, 10:54pm

How? By letting the system they have created implode! And to cause that you have to opt out of the system! This will take time, will not cause immediate results you are seeking, but it is the only way I can see. If you “seek justice”, just think “Soviet Union” and how much you could have completed there.

Thus don’t marry them, don’t have anything to do with them aside from being civil at work! Simply ignore them and mind your business! Train yourself not to succumb and cave in to the need for sex (or family). Sex you can always get, and if you have it at least have it abroad with foreign women!
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Re: The Tide Is Slowly Turning
Post by Citadel on Dec 22, 2005, 11:15pm

Quote:How? By letting the system they have created implode! And to cause that you have to opt out of the system! Tihs wil take time, will not cause immediate results you are seeking, but it is the only way I can see. If you “seek justice”, just think “Soviet Union” and how much you could have completed there.

Thus don’t marry them, don’t have anything to do with them aside from being civil at work! Simply ignore them and mind your business! Train yourself not to succumb and cave in to the need for sex (or family). Sex you can always get, and if you have it at least have it abroad with foreign women!

Implode? Hmmmm. Interesting. So let me get this straight. Don’t marry them. Don’t have sex with them. Great. So you and I and 1000 men do that. Okay. Suppose we can get 10,000 to men do that.

What about the other 75 million adult men?

Let’s do the math.

75 million divided by 10,000 is about 7000 right? That means 7000 men ARE MARRYING American Women for every 1 that isn’t. That doesn’t sound like a very prudent solution to me, even in the long-term perspective you’re taking. My advice is to form a political party.

You guys are all able men and input is welcome. Do you feel there’s something realistic other than active action that will solve this? I just don’t buy the implosion theory. There are so many feministic women in powerful positions now (Oprah, enough said) that they control too many men to begin with. System may implode but for 50 years you want to suffer? You want your male children to be raised like slaves??
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Re: The Tide Is Slowly Turning
Post by King Karan on Dec 22, 2005, 11:38pm

It is a 2 party system, and one party is 100% feminized, the other may and will “kiss arss” if it needs to. It is a numbers game and we do not have the numbers (of yet)

Political interest group is a more practical solution. But it will depend on money men are willing to put in it.

Must reach those 7000 men somehow or a good portion of them! There is no other way but marrying abroad! Feminists have rightly concluded that absent an ideology, men will not unite! It is in our nature to compete against one another gven the chance to marry or screw a “high-level” woman.

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Re: The Tide Is Slowly Turning
Post by antiriad on Dec 23, 2005, 12:28am

Forming a party is useless. Socialism (=big government) and feminism are one and the same. Socialism and masculism are polar opposites. Women’s core values are socialist, they enable big government. Men’s core values are individualist, they disable big government. But government’s modus operandi is boundless growth. Therefore, a masculist party logically cannot support men’s core values while appealing to big government.

Secondly, women are inherently 4x more partial toward other women than they are to men. Men are inherently impartial toward either sex.

These two facts guarantee that you can neither vote big government out, nor can you defeat feminism by instilling men’s values within a system whose existence is based from ground up on female values.

In other words: there is no solution within the system, only outside of it. This means you can become a troublemaker (and get into trouble, most likely) – or you can bet on the fact that socialism is inherently inefficient and collapses on its own (as in fact it always has in the past). If you’re betting on the latter, then you might as well maximize your own comfort within the system. That is the route I’m taking.
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Re: The Tide Is Slowly Turning
Post by Citadel on Dec 23, 2005, 1:11am

Quote:Secondly, women are inherently 4x more partial toward other women than they are to men. Men are inherently impartial toward either sex.

Good point.

Still, I can’t believe that in 10 years everything has become so bad for men and we’re just going to give up. What does this say on a sex that prides itself so much on honor and courage?
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Re: The Tide Is Slowly Turning
Post by chrisvet on Dec 23, 2005, 1:14am

I can always appreciate a good healthy perspective.
Thank you antiriad, you MADE my day.

When I become a Presidential Nominee, you will Vote for me.

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Re: The Tide Is Slowly Turning
Post by Riskbreaker on Dec 23, 2005, 4:26am

citadel, I’ve been quoting the words of arthur lately. It seems he has some of the drive we seem to be needing lately.

QUOTE(Arthur)
This is good to see. The “mainstream” media are also taking note of a couple of trends. One trend being noticed is the marriage strike. If memory serves there was an article on msn.com a few months back where women were being interviewed and their main complaint was that men were no longer even remotely receptive to the idea of marriage. When asked why the men responded “We don’t want to risk financial ruin”.

About a month ago, the Houston Chronicle ran an article about college age women who couldn’t find dates because there weren’t very many men attending college. Now, the way the paper addressed it was typically predictable. Young men were labeled as ADD, not disciplined enough for college, etc. The usual “it’s all the man’s fault” bullshit.

You’re exactly right about remembering who the enemy is here.

WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY, AND THE ENEMY IS US.

Let me break this down for you. “HO”meriskanks ain’t changin’ any time soon. Politicians sure as hell aren’t gonna change any laws regarding marriage/divorce/child support/sexual harassment/looking cross eyed at some skank, etc. Employers aren’t gonna change. Cops/domestic violence procedures aren’t gonna change. When you get right down to it, there is only one group that can change, thus impacting change on the whole Amerifucked landscape.

US MEN.

In order to impact change, we need to starve the beast that is the Ameriskank. We need to start saying NO to their every whim and wish in a relationship. We need to date more than one at a time, making them compete for US. We need to stop playing the role as capn free therapist and mrfixit. We need to say no to unwanted children and marriages. WE NEED TO STOP GIVING THESE BITCHES SECOND CHANCES.

The problem with the current landscape is that guys are too desperate for women. Being desperate is hardly considered “negotiating from a position of power”. Women have no motivation to change if we keep giving them second chances and/or keep rewarding them. Only when we start withholding the things that they crave/need, are they going to meet us at the negotiating table.

Masume, I don’t know what you were expecting when you posted this, but I sure hope it wasn’t resounding support. You say that you are testing a theory. I say you are living in denial. In a real war, your idea could get you branded as a traitor. Here is a theory for you. The North American penis, and the man attached to it, have little to no value in the eyes of the Ameriskanks because we are too desperate to give it away.

QUOTE(Arthur)
Never, ever so much as hint at the fact that you can’t find/there aren’t any available women. When a woman asks this question she is implying that something is wrong with you. If you fall for this you are toast. My response isn’t that I can’t find anyone, it’s that I don’t want to get married and play financial ruin roulette. If a woman asks me if I have a SO, I tell her that I don’t do one to one monogamous relationships. Learn to keep your answers ambiguous. If you can’t do that, lie. If you tell every woman you meet that you are single/available/can’t find anyone etc., it will be interpreted the following way:

LOSER.

Women are sick. They only go after guys that are taken. Kitty cats compete. Period.

Guys, guys, guys–
Who cares about the tone of articles like this? Or the tone of feminist driven articles/websites that rail on us for not committing?

THE FACT IS… THEY ARE BEGINNING TO TAKE NOTICE!!!!!

Now of course they are going to blame us. I have seen this in other articles in the mainstream media. Marriage strike. Not enough guys in college for the princesses. Yes, they blame men for being stupid, immature, etc. Like that is going to get us rushing to the alter.(fruedian). Plan on seeing these articles for the next several years. Good!! Yup ladies, we are a bunch of immature non-committing fuck balls. And you know what? You still don’t have access to our wallets now do ya?

When the current generation of men, and the next generation of men, combine to ignore the Ameriswine, this will amount to 40-50 years of being ignored. What are they gonna do? Import a foreign husband? I don’t think so. Eventually the unmasking will take place. Either they will ignore us in return, which shows that they were only interested in our wallets. Or, they will actually meet us at the table to work on changing the totally unfair laws.

I fail to see how these articles are a bad thing.

Quick with the math here guys. How old were these grandmas when the feminist movement was really gaining momentum. Hint: 2004-1974.

Yup. These so called innocent grandmas were the ones who kicked it off in the first place. Now they get to watch their own SONS and grandSONS suffer.

How does that taste ladies?

As someone who has used the court system frequently, and successfully, fighting feminism in the courts will NOT work. Judges are typically bound by the laws, and the laws right now are fucked up. So we can just change the laws, right? No. Right now we are outnumbered, pure and simple. Not only are we outnumbered by women, but we must also include “useful idiot males” and the guys who haven’t been fucked over, YET, in our census.

The key word in that whole paragraph is YET. Just because critical mass hasn’t been reached yet doesn’t mean it isn’t gonna happen. I think that it is accepted that Ameriskanks are the most myopic creatures on the face of the earth. And their myopia is what will help us win. Each guy that gets fucked over by women, and/or the court system, becomes another awakened soul. Every day there are more coming. That’s because women and the courts can’t help themselves when it comes to fucking men over.

Eventually, there will be more of us, than them. For those who doubt that “marriage and dating strikes” are having an impact, ask yourself one question. Did you even hear this phrase 10 years ago? Hell, how about 5? Another point to ponder. Mainstream (read: femwashed pc wimp) media are reporting on this trend!! We are gaining momentum.

Expect this trend to continue, based on a couple of factors. First, the internet. They can’t hardly censor us now can they? And I bet that more and more guys are just lurking in forums such as these, and getting the third party validation that is needed to bring them to our side. Secondly, male birth control. When this hits the market and is immediately “number one on the charts and number one in your hearts” as they say, a lot of feminist eyeballs are going to be pried wide fucking open.

Don’t waste your energy with a bunch of butt plug politicians. Keep up with the marriage and dating strike and mix in the male birth control. While I do not advocate the foreign angle, I will admit that one more guy that does this means one less ameriskank gets a husband/victim. When the skanks see themselves being marginalized they will pressure the lawmakers for us. As of right now, the court of law is a waste of time.

One point that you hit on is extremely important. I firmly believe that each one of us represents hundreds, if not thousands, of other guys out there. This is the denial that the feminists are living in. These guys either haven’t found us yet, or they are still being twisted by society, and are headed this way.

At the IW.com forums, I was considered angry, and labeled as such. Nike can verify this.

How do you think the good people at IW.com would react to Mr. Huh?

Feminists can believe that our numbers are few and limited at their own peril.
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Re: The Tide Is Slowly Turning
Post by daniel on Dec 23, 2005, 8:35pm

Quote:It might not be women changing TUNE so much as changing TACTICS. Most women probably have the same attitudes they have held for a long time, but now express things a little differently so as to not openly piss off potential mates.

Women are probably not being more apologetic due to the marriage strike so much as more cunning.

Quote:AWs in general I’m finding are becoming ruder and ruder. It’s time for American Men like us to get a leash on them. But how?

We can’t know what’s inside a woman’s head. The only way to judge a woman is how she treats a man and her outward behavior towards him – nothing more, nothing less.

The solution to minimize uncertainty in this area is both obvious and necessary: men will indeed have to get women on a leash. That is the greatest lesson that western men had to learn the hard way. Numerous other kinds of risk are also minimized in this way.

All things being equal, women are weak, stupid creatures. But they could not have acquired so much power and influence on their own – men helped them a great deal. Now, times have changed. More men are starting to wake up and figure out something is terribly wrong. This AW/WW problem will probably outlast all of us here. But with the internet, communication is faster and easier than ever before. The more we talk about it, and inform others, the greater the chances that future generations of men won’t have to endure the kind of foolish, evil WW that exist today.
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Re: The Tide Is Slowly Turning
Post by Lee on Dec 23, 2005, 10:34pm

Dec 22, 2005, 11:15pm, Citadel wrote:
Quote:How? By letting the system they have created implode! And to cause that you have to opt out of the system! This will take time, will not cause immediate results you are seeking, but it is the only way I can see. If you “seek justice”, just think “Soviet Union” and how much you could have completed there.

Thus don’t marry them, don’t have anything to do with them aside from being civil at work! Simply ignore them and mind your business! Train yourself not to succumb and cave in to the need for sex (or family). Sex you can always get, and if you have it at least have it abroad with foreign women!

Implode? Hmmmm. Interesting. So let me get this straight. Don’t marry them. Don’t have sex with them. Great. So you and I and 1000 men do that. Okay. Suppose we can get 10,000 to men do that.

What about the other 75 million adult men?

Let’s do the math.

75 million divided by 10,000 is about 7000 right? That means 7000 men ARE MARRYING American Women for every 1 that isn’t. That doesn’t sound like a very prudent solution to me, even in the long-term perspective you’re taking. My advice is to form a political party.

You guys are all able men and input is welcome. Do you feel there’s something realistic other than active action that will solve this? I just don’t buy the implosion theory. There are so many feministic women in powerful positions now (Opera, enough said) that they control too many men to begin with. System may implode but for 50 years you want to suffer? You want your male children to be raised like slaves??

We don’t have to hypothesize that only one in 7000 will abstain. We can look at hard data and note the decline ourselves.

May 2005: 181,000 marriages
May 2004: 215,000 marriages

This trend has been ongoing since 1998, with only the millennium marriages to halt it.
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Re: The Tide Is Slowly Turning
Post by Neve Again on Dec 23, 2005, 11:23pm

nough said…
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Re: The Tide Is Slowly Turning
Post by Citadel on Dec 23, 2005, 11:52pm

Quote:May 2005: 181,000 marriages

Okay so the trend is that marriage is going down.

Wow that’s cause for celebration.

NOT.

So what if men and women aren’t marrying? Women will have even more money to spend on promoting their feminist interests. I urge everyone here to wake up to reality check. That’s the ONLY fact that every male here seems to breathe by. Number of marriages.

But there are a lot more facts that show women and feminists making headway more than ever before, year by year.

Is the number of marriages salient? Of course. Logically there’ll be no more feminists if no one has children with them. Ummmmm…yeah…but…

1. Human cloning
2. Male sperm being duplicated by artificial means (dont laugh, it’s already in the works)
3. Embryo without sperm (some wacko nutjob feminist doctor hates men is actively promoting research into this)

My point is: NEVER underestimate your opponents. Nothing will defeat you except that, in the end.
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Re: The Tide Is Slowly Turning
Post by Snakey on Dec 24, 2005, 12:20am

Citadel: On the other hand women need men for far more than just reproduction, and their never ending claims to the contrary serve to prove it. (Why else would they be so vehement about it?) Think of the services a husband actually offers a woman, and think of them in dollar terms to get an idea of their value, then add sentimental value: personal bodyguard/security officer, mr fixit, therapist, gigilo, PROVIDER (in caps for a reason; think about it, you work to put a roof over someone’s head basically for FREE! Jesus, that’s a sweet deal for them), FATHER (also in caps for a reason), status symbol, enabler of the woman’s life choices (stay at home mom or whatever else she wants to do), companion, errand boy, etc etc every other little task a man gets charged with. The value of these services is enormous and they are telling themselves they don’t need/want them, which we all know is a delusion, apparent as they hear the biological clock start to tick. What needs to happen is: both men and women need to re-learn the value of what men provide. Feminist idiots can go ahead and take men out of reproduction – they aren’t exactly in touch with their typical heterosexual sisters, and never have been. Look at the chaos and misery they’ve inflicted on the Dowds of the world. (Who thoroughly deserve their pain, in my opinion, especially in light of their willingness to pass this pain back to other women, let alone the damage they do to men and boys.)

And what were women asked to do in return for the enormous services men provide? Put out, be a responsible mother, be faithful, cook, keep house (and modern men were willing to help with these) and maybe shut her yap once in a while after a hard day at the office. This was deemed oppression. Cato the Elder’s quote starts to ring true: they want total license.

It’s significant than western women aren’t marrying – they’re the ones who want to, they’re the ones who can’t, and men are giving their reasons. What I find fascinating is that these ordinary women are incapable of mobilizing and doing something about it. We’re giving our reasons: the laws. Their response? Shaming tactics. “But … you don’t understand. It’s the laws. I’ll be fucking ruined and you suggesting we might be gay won’t change that.” Reply: “You must be gay!”

No you idiots, get off your fat asses and start street marching. Christ almighty, they are so far behind the game it’s not funny. (It’s really not. Women can affect change within the system these days … if anyone could fix the mess, it’s them. No one listens to men who don’t play Yes Dear.)

You can only conclude too that feminists are pleased with what they see, or unable to see what’s really going on here. My guess is the latter.

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Re: The Tide Is Slowly Turning
Post by Lee on Dec 24, 2005, 1:20am

Dec 23, 2005, 4:26am, Riskbreaker wrote:One point that you hit on is extremely important. I firmly believe that each one of us represents hundreds, if not thousands, of other guys out there. This is the denial that the feminists are living in. These guys either haven’t found us yet, or they are still being twisted by society, and are headed this way.

I think that each member on SYG, DM, MC and AWS represent 100 more men who won’t marry this year that would have married last year.

And the facts back this up, as the marriage numbers this (2005) year look to drop 100k from last year. They are already down 53k as of May 2005.

Dontmarry is getting 300 to 400 hits a day, up from 25 hits a day a year ago.

MC is getting so much traffic that we need to relocate to a dedicated server.

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Re: The Tide Is Slowly Turning
Post by Snakey on Dec 24, 2005, 1:43am

Citadel: bear in mind the marriage strike (passive resistance) is an effective strategy, maybe the only viable one we can come up with (because it’s basically men acting logically in their own interest, not because of some ideal which they must be persuaded to accept.) The meaning of it comes later, and it’s the meaning of it MRA/FRA’s (or your garden variety armchair social commentators) are interested in. So the marriage stats matter, big time. As Lee pointed out, there seem to be indications of momentum, most visibly online, and maybe that’s only because of the Lace Curtain (which people like Glenn Sacks, agree with him or not, are working to part.) The changes we are observing or hoping for are very profound changes – of course it’ll move slowly. Frustrating, yes. Anyone who wants to speed the process up with more conventional activism is a champion in my eyes, but the marriage strike seems our best weapon at this point, gagged as we men collectively are.

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Re: The Tide Is Slowly Turning
Post by antiriad on Dec 24, 2005, 9:24am

Dec 23, 2005, 1:14am, chrisvet wrote:I can always appreceate a good healthy perspective.
Thank you antiriad, you MADE my day.

When I become a Presidential Nominee, you will Vote for me.

Fsck yea
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Re: The Tide Is Slowly Turning
Post by Lee on Dec 24, 2005, 12:56pm

Dec 24, 2005, 12:20am, Snakey wrote:It’s significant than western women aren’t marrying – they’re the ones who want to, they’re the ones who can’t, and men are giving their reasons. What I find fascinating is that these ordinary women are incapable of mobilizing and doing something about it. We’re giving our reasons: the laws. Their response? Shaming tactics. “But … you don’t understand. It’s the laws. I’ll be fucking ruined and you suggesting we might be gay won’t change that.” Reply: “You must be gay!”

There are ways to diffuse and disarm shaming tactics, manipulation and shaming language.

The important thing to remember is that once you are immune to shaming and manipulation, any woman who is used to getting her way will not like it AT ALL that you can sidestep her bullshit.

They don’t like it at all. The mere fact you parried her crap may piss her off and make her an enemy, because you are no longer controllable, and WW crave having their men controlled.

But it can be done.
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Re: The Tide Is Slowly Turning
Post by sirlancelot on Dec 24, 2005, 1:41pm

Dec 24, 2005, 12:56pm, Lee wrote:

The important thing to remember is that once you are immune to shaming and manipulation, any woman who is used to getting her way will not like it AT ALL that you can sidestep her bullshit.

Amen!

Shaming language and offering the suggestion of sex are the only ways women can influence men, and the only way women can really effect the world is through men.

A man who doesn’t give a fuck about women’s approval/disapproval and who is not willing to sacrifice his dignity for access to a vagina is a man who is beyond women’s control, and as Lee said, women go into a rage if they confront a man they cannot control.
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Re: The Tide Is Slowly Turning
Post by drm on Dec 25, 2005, 2:53pm

Dec 22, 2005, 11:15pm, Citadel wrote:

Implode? Hmmmm. Interesting. So let me get this straight. Don’t marry them. Don’t have sex with them. Great. So you and I and 1000 men do that. Okay. Suppose we can get 10,000 to men do that.

What about the other 75 million adult men?

Let’s do the math.

75 million divided by 10,000 is about 7000 right? That means 7000 men ARE MARRYING American Women for every 1 that isn’t. That doesn’t sound like a very prudent solution to me, even in the long-term perspective you’re taking. My advice is to form a political party.

Whether becoming politically active is the answer or not (i personally favor the FW approach), the thing to realize is that this forum and the ones like it are the tip of the sword, so the 10,000 number is somewhat irrelevant.

The real movement is alive and strong, with 22% of single men 25-34 (2 million men) opposed to marriage and a further 53% delaying it (from the oft quoted Rutgers research).

Just think, when a 30 year old women hears the biological clock ticking and go out to find a “Daddy” for her future children, only 1 in 4 men are interested in doing it any time soon.

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Re: The Tide Is Slowly Turning
Post by thechief on Dec 25, 2005, 10:44pm

I tend to believe it is possible to make a difference on a societal basis. But even if we don’t, it’s OK. I come to this board for two reasons, 1) to reinforce and reaffirm my own decision to not remarry and to be very careful about setting terms for all future romantic relationships, and, 2) to help any other guys who have doubts about women, marriage and divorce. One at a time, on a case-by-case basis.

Somebody posted a great parable on another thread a week or two ago. The tide comes in, leaving thousands of starfish stranded on a large beach. A small boy goes down to the beach and starts throwing starfish back into the ocean. “Why are you doing that?” and old man asks. “You’ll never save them all.” The boy agrees. “No, but I can save this one, and this one, and this one…”

The tide will turn, or not. Regardless, we can still save some individual guys.
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Re: The Tide Is Slowly Turning
Post by logic101 on Dec 26, 2005, 1:22am

Dec 25, 2005, 2:53pm, drm wrote:
Dec 22, 2005, 11:15pm, Citadel wrote:

Whether becoming politically active is the answer or not (i personally favor the FW approach), the thing to realize is that this forum and the ones like it are the tip of the sword, so the 10,000 number is somewhat irrelevant.

(for men who want to get married…and have it LAST the longest)

Marrying a non-feminized FW in her non-westernized, pro-family and pro-father country is a squared away man’s best option overall.

-Logic 101

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