Don’t whine
Don’t whine
Post by John on Jan 11, 2006, 12:44am
As a single guy who’s been reading the message board for quite sometime now, it strikes me how subtle the dislike for women is here. And while i share some of your sentiments I believe ALL of us have good and bad inside us, as for people who are divorced, all I have to say is this: There are 2 people in a marriage, the man and the women both have done stupid, evil deeds in their former marriages, I believe blaming women for all the bad things in marriage is just plain stupid as men are no saints either and sometimes it is their indifference and other peccadilloes that destroy a marriage.
Singlehood is great but we must remember that nobody wants to be alone always and rely on hookers for love, I don’t know about you guys, but life was meant to be lived and not for us to shrink from it because ‘women are evil, therefore it follows marriage is evil too’, etc. etc.
Marriage is ordained by God, and if you hate the anti-man laws, why instead of coming here and posting your dislike of these laws, why not write to newspapers, your member of congress, etc. in short, DO SOMETHING TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM.
Life is grand, live it!
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Post by chrisw79 on Jan 11, 2006, 12:50am
I can only speak for myself, but the instant you said, ‘ordained by god,’ I totally dropped all previous points. If you want to make a case, fine, do so with reason and logical debate (which you were starting to do pretty well before that, I will admit). Bring religion into any discussion and you’ve shot your feet off.
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Post by newplaya on Jan 11, 2006, 12:59am
Yeah sure agreed both parties are not innocent and have some degree of contribution to the problems in marriage.
But you haven’t addressed the staggering increase in divorce statistics, the rapid fall off of marriages, or the new laws that provide disincentives to men. Were guys say in the 50’s so upset , if not why not?
There has to have been some connection between this and feminism and womens behaviour as so eloquently described by many posters here.
I don’t know that there is a dislike for women here. More like a dislike for the system, and what it has done to women. It’s repulsive to men and translates into repulsiveness of women in this society.
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Post by antiriad on Jan 11, 2006, 1:08am
“Don’t whine” – where have I heard that before?
Oh, that’s right – whenever a female posted here. Get real, Jane.
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Post by Citadel on Jan 11, 2006, 1:23am
Quote: As a single guy who’s been reading the message board for quite sometime now, it strikes me how subtle the dislike for women is here. And while i share some of your sentiments I believe ALL of us have good and bad inside us, as for people who are divorced, all I have to say is this: There are 2 people in a marriage, the man and the women both have done stupid, evil deeds in their former marriages, I believe blaming women for all the bad things in marriage is just plain stupid as men are no saints either and sometimes it is their indifference and other peccadillos that destroy a marriage.Singlehood is great but we must remember that nobody wants to be alone always and rely on hookers for love, I don’t know about you guys, but life was meant to be lived and not for us to shrink from it because ‘women are evil, therefore it follows marriage is evil too’, etc. etc.
Marriage is ordained by God, and if you hate the anti-man laws, why instead of coming here and posting your dislike of these laws, why not write to newspapers, your member of congress, etc. in short, DO SOMETHING TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM.
Life is grand, live it!
Great post! Yes marriage isn’t good these days. It’s risky for the male especially. But marriage is indeed ordained by God. And we must try to find a wife that is godly in her ways.
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by 1ofstrength on Jan 11, 2006, 1:44am
Jan 11, 2006, 12:44am, John wrote :Marriage is ordained by God
What are your thoughts on this?
1 Corinthians 7
Marriage
1Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by nemo on Jan 11, 2006, 1:49am
Standing up for your rights and the rights of your fellow men in the face of unfair and, in some cases, blatantly unconstitutional laws is NOT whining.
It’s active citizenship.
If we actually DID have equal rights and no bias for or against either gender in this country, most of the objections to marriage listed on this board would disappear.
Heck, I might be married now if matrimony was treated as an enforceable contract between equals instead of a disguised form of voluntary indentured servitude for males.
Most men don’t realize how bad things are. They find out too late to avoid severe penalties.
The public school system doesn’t teach boys about the most important decision of their lives, which is whether or not they should marry. My social studies textbooks taught me many useless facts, including that the state flower of Australia was the wattle. It didn’t say a thing about Lord Mansfield’s Rule, common law marriage, imputed income, or co-mingling of marital property. I learned all this stuff by TALKING WITH OTHER MEN and READING INTERNET SITES.
We need to educate each other because the educationalists and politicians are engaged in a conspiracy of silence.
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by John on Jan 11, 2006, 4:54am
When I wrote ‘Don’t whine’ I was referring to you coming here and posting ‘how unfair the world is, yada, yada…’ instead of writing to your local members of congress, parliament, etc. forming organisations, writing to newspapers, etc. in short, doing something about this oppressive world which men now inhabit. Hope that clears it up.
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Post by zed on Jan 11, 2006, 7:25am
Jan 11, 2006, 4:54am, John wrote: When I wrote ‘Don’t whine’ I was referring to you coming here and posting ‘how unfair the world is, yada, yada…’ instead of writing to your local members of congress, parliament, etc. forming organisations, writing to newspapers, etc. in short, doing something about this oppressive world which men now inhabit. Hope that clears it up.
Well, if I had any confidence that my letter would be read, let alone understood, maybe I would do that. But action speaks louder than words. I will sponsor and support behavior and societies that I approve of. That means saying no to AW, to completely ignore them. That means spending my holidays, my money, my energy among foreign women. I will not take it upon myself to personally save the whole of the western world. As long as it is suffused with feminism, it will selfdestruct, just as the old Soviet Union selfdestructed.
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Post by khankrumthebulgar on Jan 11, 2006, 7:27am
John,
Brother you must be terribly misinformed or just plain deluded. The Divorce Industry is a multi Billion Dollar income redistribution machine. Example ACS NYSE. Latest data 53,000 employees. Care to guess what their core business is? Child Support remittance processing to states. Then there is the legal Industry, Divorce is the cash cow of the Legal Profession. Therapists, Social Workers, Marriage Counseling, Mediation etc etc. States get a percentage of what they collect on child support.
It is in their best interests for the awards to Mothers to be set as high as possible. It means more money to the States. This is a massive Industry. We have not even addressed the Domestic Violence Industry that now gets billions from VAWA, Family Shelters etc. There is also the issue of the huge Academic Industry funding Women’s Studies programs across the country. Get Real.
Willie Sutton was once asked why he robbed banks? His reply was simple “Cause that’s where the money is”. Women are the primary spenders in the US economy. According to the National Retail Federation 85% of retail space is devoted exclusively to Women. The Media companies censor Men’s opinions as it hurts their revenues.
This censorship is known as the Lace Curtain. Ask Warren Farrell about it some time. Politicians cater to the Women’s vote. Men are at the present time defined by the media and this culture as the following. Abusers of Women, Protectors of Women, Cannon Fodder, Flesh Covered sex toys for Women, Sperm Donors, Walking ATM machines. This is reality. The Legal system and body of case law is working against us.
The Legal Lobby aggressively funds campaigns. Congress is full of Lawyers. If it was full of Engineers America would be a different country. John Edwards VP Candidate for the Democrats was a Trial Lawyer. An Ambulance Chaser who made is fortune in Medical malpractice cases.
Avoiding Marriage, and Dating of Western Women is having an impact on our culture. But with the massive growth of Government we are at a major disadvantage. With well financed opponents who derive their revenues from the misery of Divorce. With incentives to Women in breaking the Marriage Contract. Women get the Gold We get the Shaft.
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by TyHigs on Jan 11, 2006, 8:25am
Jan 11, 2006, 12:44am, John wrote :… it strikes me how subtle the dislike for women is here.
I dont see this person as being male. I think every man has a LIL dislike for women, even the successful ones (cause they know what it takes to be successful with women, and those things are sociopathic). Nah, kinda reminds me of a woman who is annoyed that men object to their behavior.
Jan 11, 2006, 12:44am, John wrote :And while i share some of your sentiments I believe ALL of us have good and bad inside us
Your point is what? There were medical and scientific innovations made in WWII by both sides. So there’s even good and bad in war. So what? No one ever said anything in this world was 100% anything (including good or bad).
Jan 11, 2006, 12:44am, John wrote: as for people who are divorced, all I have to say is this: There are 2 people in a marriage, the man and the women both have done stupid, evil deeds in their former marriages, I believe blaming women for all the bad things in marriage is just plain stupid as men are no saints either and sometimes it is their indifference and other peccadilloes that destroy a marriage.
Both men and women do stupid things. But, ahhh, look at the statitistics. 70-80% of the ones who FILE for divorce are women, depending on the year and the state. And it would be IMPOSSiBLE for me to believe that 70-80% of men are control freaks, wife-beaters, or cheaters. Obviously princess is the one who realized her fantasy couldnt become reality. Then she got mad and left.
Edit: Note. At first this person is saying there are two people. So the guilt MUST be shared equally -50/50. Then she goes on to blame men “men are no saints either and sometimes it is their indifference and other peccadillos that destroy a marriage.”
But of course there are 2 people to every marriage, and men are the ones who are guilty of not appreciating that princess.
Jan 11, 2006, 12:44am, John wrote:
Singlehood is great but we must remember that nobody wants to be alone always and rely on hookers for love
Just because you marry, it doesnt mean that woman LOVES you. Anyhow, it wasnt until recently (say 1950s) that marriage became more about “LOVE” than the exchange of services (cause women are good at x, men are good at Y, we both agree to do our duties to make our lives easier).
I wish you would tell my high school teachers (monks) that nobody wants to be alone. That would imply they made the wrong decision to devote their lives to God. And who are you to decide whose decision is valid?
(And I’m not even religious, just a point.)
Jan 11, 2006, 12:44am, John wrote: I don’t know about you guys, but life was meant to be lived and not for us to shrink from it because ‘women are evil, therefore it follows marriage is evil too’, etc. etc.
Singlehood is “shrinking” from life? It sounds to me like your manhood is defined by pleasing women.
No one believes women are “evil.” Many of us believe women are incapable of evil. Women are merely “bad” and use moral relativism to justify their actions.
Marriage has been ruined by laws. What about that?
Jan 11, 2006, 12:44am, John wrote:
Marriage is ordained by God
maybe it USED to be. And if it were just between God, a woman, and myself, I’d be doing it (but with a foreign lady). Fact of the matter is, God has nothing to do with marriage, even if it takes place in a church, synygogue, mosque, etc. Nope. Marriage is the State + the woman vs the man.
Jan 11, 2006, 12:44am, John wrote: and if you hate the anti-man laws, why instead of coming here and posting your dislike of these laws, why not write to newspapers, your member of congress, etc. in short, DO SOMETHING TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM.
We live in a democratic system. In this system, even Ben Franklin admitted that 51% of the population can vote away the rights of the other 49%. Women are in the majority, and, due to evolutionary reasons, when it comes to women’s issues (or issues in which they believe it is evil men vs wholesome women), then women will vote as a bloc, beating out the American male vote by 11% at some elections.
Jan 11, 2006, 12:44am, John wrote:
Life is grand, live it!
Thanks. I plan too. Just without American women. And BTW, any man who has dated say American women, then dated western european or eastern eu, or Asian, or South American, or african, etc- will know that some problems are simply “female problems”, but most problems are just spoiled American women problems.
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by TyHigs on Jan 11, 2006, 8:34am
There is no way “John” is a man. John is another woman upset that men are on to American women’s game. JoAnn wants us to “stop whining” – to stop illuminating for those men who are clueless how F’d up American women actually are.
You know, all those former alcoholics at AA meetings? They’re just whining about their problem with alcohol. You know all those college kids who cant figure out how to solve a differential equation? They are just whining about how difficult those damn equations are. You know all those men who got ripped off by the used car salesmen? Well they are just whining when they tell those other men not to use that salesmen.
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Post by Niall NLIT on Jan 11, 2006, 9:06am
SHAMING LANGUAGE.
Fuck off Jane.
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Post by JimP on Jan 11, 2006, 9:23am
Jan 11, 2006, 12:44am, John wrote: As a single guy who’s been reading the message board for quite sometime now, it strikes me how subtle the dislike for women is here. And while i share some of your sentiments I believe ALL of us have good and bad inside us, as for people who are divorced, all I have to say is this: There are 2 people in a marriage, the man and the women both have done stupid, evil deeds in their former marriages, I believe blaming women for all the bad things in marriage is just plain stupid as men are no saints either and sometimes it is their indifference and other peccadillos that destroy a marriage.
Singlehood is great but we must remember that nobody wants to be alone always and rely on hookers for love, I don’t know about you guys, but life was meant to be lived and not for us to shrink from it because ‘women are evil, therefore it follows marriage is evil too’, etc. etc.
Marriage is ordained by God, and if you hate the anti-man laws, why instead of coming here and posting your dislike of these laws, why not write to newspapers, your member of congress, etc. in short, DO SOMETHING TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM.
Life is grand, live it!
To anyone that believes John is a man, I’ve got a real nice bridge in New York to sell you, named after our first president.
And by the way Jane, we are not “whining”, we’re actually “DOING SOMETHING TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM”, something that is far more productive than “writing to newspapers, our members of congress, etc.”. We’re not marrying american women, and what’s more important, we’re explaining to other men why they shouldn’t either.
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Post by thechief on Jan 11, 2006, 9:36am
Two refutations, both of which have been covered by previous posters but I still feel the need to get my two cents in:
“Marriage is ordained by God.” Yeah, right. So is the death penalty for eating pork or wearing cloth made from two types of fabric. Tell your Invisible Man In The Sky that if he wants more men marrying, he needs to use some of that Red Sea splittin’, bush burnin’ mojo to make the marriage and divorce laws more equitable. He’s got the power, presumably, why doesn’t he just do it?
And “don’t whine?” Honey, this ain’t whining. This is what old-school ’60s type revolutionairies called consciousness raising, which is a fancy way of saying that before you can get society to correct a problem you have to convince a substantial number of people that there is a problem in the first place. And as Jimp has indicated, making a big bunch of the current crop of women go dateless/husbandless in their apartments with their 12 cats is going to do a lot more to “change the system” than any letters to the editors or petitions ever could.
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Post by Riskbreaker on Jan 11, 2006, 10:02am
Arthur time!!
QUOTE(Arthur)
You’re exactly right about remembering who the enemy is here.
WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY, AND THE ENEMY IS US.
Let me break this down for you. “HO”meriskanks ain’t changin’ any time soon.
Politicians sure as hell aren’t gonna change any laws regarding marriage/divorce/child support/sexual harassment/looking cross eyed at some skank, etc. Employers aren’t gonna change. Cops/domestic violence procedures aren’t gonna change. When you get right down to it, there is only one group that can change, thus impacting change on the whole Amerifucked landscape.
US MEN.
In order to impact change, we need to starve the beast that is the Ameriskank.
We need to start saying NO to their every whim and wish in a relationship. We need to date more than one at a time, making them compete for US. We need to stop playing the role as capn free therapist and mrfixit. We need to say no to unwanted children and marriages. WE NEED TO STOP GIVING THESE BITCHES SECOND CHANCES.
The problem with the current landscape is that guys are too desperate for women.
Being desperate is hardly considered “negotiating from a position of power”. Women have no motivation to change if we keep giving them second chances and/or keep rewarding them. Only when we start withholding the things that they crave/need, are they going to meet us at the negotiating table.
In a real war, your idea could get you branded as a traitor.
Here is a theory for you. The North American penis, and the man attached to it, have little to no value in the eyes of the Ameriskanks because we are too desperate to give it away.
QUOTE(Arthur)
You remind me of someone I knew 15 to 20 years ago. Me. Now, I didn’t just wake up one day and decide to spread the hate. It was when I started having increased success with women that I began to learn more about them. Gradually I learned just how narcissistic and self centered they were. If they want sex, they want it NOW. You think guys are walking horn dogs? We have nothing on a woman in binge mode. And women don’t give 2 shits about their current status, married, engaged, whatever. They will fuck now, and justify it later. That’s how they operate.
I can’t help you if you wish to pursue american women. But I can’t sympathize with you either. Not until the laws are changed.
On to what I believe to be the crux of the matter. The main purpose of this site, as far as I can see, is third party validation. The classic feminist/PC mantra when it comes to our situation is that we men are somehow at fault, it must be our (individual) fault. Fuck that with a jackhammer.
Nope. What we can do here is take roll call. Hey, Bio, women suck in eastern Oregon, don’t they? Verlch, Portland still got that dyke bitch for a mayor? And are the blimps gettin’ bigger and bitchier daily? Misogynist, how are the skanks in LA? Still fucked up I see. NYC man, what are you thinkin’ right about now? I doubt that the local tuna is high on your wish list. I will report from Htown. The women here are fat, loud, and obnoxious. And yes, coming from me, THAT is an achievement.
So there it is people. What you see here is guys from all corners of the united states of fucked up america. And they all have the same opinion.
YOU FUCKING SUCK.
At one time, I, like most guys here, bought into your bullshit. Now I am your enemy. And I am not interested in “public opinion”. I prefer to crush you. Public opinion be damned.
First, let’s agree, for the sake of argument, that there are SOME decent american women out there. How can we tell them apart? I am not referring to the obnoxious women, but the snakes in the grass. Today’s soul mate is tomorrow’s bitch from hell.
Our fucked up laws allow these women to become the bitch from hell. At the very least, these laws provide a financial safety net for short term thinking. We will not get these laws changed by arguing as men vs. women. THESE FUCKED UP LAWS WILL NOT CHANGE UNTIL WOMEN ARE IMPACTED NEGATIVELY!!!! How many times/ways do I have to type this?
In order to impact women negatively, we as men must stop playing the dating/marriage/children game. Will some “innocent” women get hurt in the process? You bet. I call it collateral damage. Not only that, if they were so fucking “innocent” or “one of the few good ones” WHERE THE HELL WERE THEY WHEN ALL OF THIS SHIT WAS ROLLING DOWNHILL ON US MEN? Feminism and these laws didn’t just happen overnight. Any woman with an ounce of fairness could have seen how it was building and where it was headed, and tried to put a stop to it. I don’t know about you, but when I see a lump/rash/sore getting bigger, I tend to do something about it.
Unless of course, I personally don’t view it as something bad. Which is EXACTLY where I think these so called “good ones” stand. So tell me, where are all of these “good ones”? How come they aren’t lobbying for change? Oh, right, I got it.
We are now aware of 2nd wives, sisters,mothers, etc. who are experiencing the fucked up laws first hand through husbands, brothers,sons. These same women wouldn’t have done/didn’t do JACK FUCKING SHIT until it impacted them.
Well then that is fine. It can impact them ALL. Effective immediately. I view a marriage/dating strike as a way to invalidate the system. Once ALL of the women begin to suffer, due to lack of emotional tampons, free dinners, access to our wallets, lack of attention, THEY will start to question the system and impact change.
I realize that this might hurt the 3 or 4 “good ones” that are out there. That’s a trade I am willing to make if it means government gets the fuck out of our business and men take back their rightful place at the head of the family.
*See, Johnny, men ARE doing something…NOT MARRYING, DATING or having SEX with them. Check this site out, it shows that DIVORCES are outnumbering MARRIAGES. Ten years ago, did you HEAR of a marriage strike? If ‘women’ are so strong and independent, why do THEY need a law to protect THEM and men DON’T? 68% of domenstic violence is committed by women, most child abuse-committed by women. Who divorces the most-60-75%-women. All easily proven by statistics and facts.
Just because you DON’T see the wind doesn’t mean you can’t feel it’s effect. Just because you don’t SEE men refusing to marry doesn’t mean they WANT to get the shaft in the relationship. MEN aren’t crying about the loss of good women, they GO THEIR OWN WAY. Women are becrying not marrying…men are telling them SUCK IT UP.
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by razor on Jan 11, 2006, 10:31am
I really miss Arthur. I hope he’s still doing his thing.
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Post by antiriad on Jan 11, 2006, 10:47am
Quote: THESE FUCKED UP LAWS WILL NOT CHANGE UNTIL WOMEN ARE IMPACTED NEGATIVELY!!!! How many times/ways do I have to type this?
100% spot the fuck on. I see guys arguing with women on this board about unfair laws (with the women typically saying “suck it up”), it’s the most senseless thing in the world. I just deride them and amuse myself at their cost. That is all you can do, everything else is a waste of time. Educate other men about the perils of marrying ameriskanks – but don’t get bogged down in arguments with these irrational creatures that are dominated by their emotions and consider hysterical outbreaks to be reasonable conduct. The only way they will understand is by experiencing the negative fallout.
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Post by TyHigs on Jan 11, 2006, 10:54am
Antiriad, we might need reminding of that next time some skank appears.
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Post by bangum on Jan 11, 2006, 11:30am
Jan 11, 2006, 12:44am, John wrote:
Life is grand ….
And Divorce is like 50 Grand.
Stay Single, Stay Sane … keep the 50Gs in your pocket instead. Let these American & Western Whores rot in hell with their cats & carpet munching lesbo friends.
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Post by John on Jan 11, 2006, 3:07pm
So just because of these stats, you won’t even date, that’s stupid. This isn’t shaming language, this is what you are if you stop doing something because of the ‘risks’ involved.
There is plenty of other risks in life, yet we do them everyday. Fine, if staying alone for the rest of your lives playing Quake, Doom or another game and having STD infected hookers come and suck you off once in a while just to convince you are still ‘the man’ must be the ideal way to live now, but to me that is a loser way of living and ultimately, lonely.
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Post by Riskbreaker on Jan 11, 2006, 3:22pm
the only person who will ever define satisfaction in your life, and will enact the plans to acheive that satisfaction, is YOU. No one else!
This is the power of men going their own way. Women have stacked the deck so we can do nothing but lose if we try to play their game, and have thus made it easy to choose between “no rewards, all cost” and “no rewards, but no cost, either.”
Every time I hear about a chick getting fucked over, beat up or knocked up I smile. Because that was yet another bitch who chose poorly.
Nice guys only get sloppy seconds and second-hand children.
I’ll pass on the order of drama with a side of V.D., if you don’t mind.
I’m not your hero.
You missed out on a nice guy ten years ago.
Now you’re looking down the double barrels of single and thirty. Too bad.
You have all the value of spoiled milk. Deal with it.
Ten years of goofing off and sluting around does not make you the equal of someone who’s worked hard for decade or more. Sorry.
I’m worth more than ever, and your jugs got the continental drift going on. Poor little you.
If a car dealer made such a claim about your number of miles, he would be in jail.
Hero nothing, in the shape you’re in you need a god damm superhero.
My children will call me daddy/dad. Not “mom’s current cooch filler”.
I’m just walking the tracks of life, and you(women) are the third rail…
Can the last guy out of niceguyville please turn off the lights?
You’ve heard the old saying “A mind expanded to new proportions never returns to it’s old ones.” Same goes here: once you know what it’s like to be free, if you truly know, then you won’t ever want to go back to being a footstool for feminists again. These men, who realize what they can be, have no desire to go back to being held under society’s collective tampon once more. Freed slaves don’t wish to become slaves again, ever.
QUOTE(Snakespit @ Jun 29 2005, 06:26 PM)
A mangina will deny his own nature and accept that women define his nature for him, believing them wiser in matters of what makes up his mind and heart. From the conflict this causes within himself, he will vent at men who define themselves. He is forever incomplete, on a quest for what cannot be attained–female approval of what he is. He doesn’t understand that as long as he battles and is in turmoil, he is what she wants already. There is no point she will relent and release him from the struggle; so he will battle what foes she points at, his fellow man, much like Antiriad’s example of a man who accosts another at a party at the bidding of some
woman who wants to be entertained and affirmed of her powers.
<bows to Jaded Guy>
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The next time somebody comes on this board (of either sex) and insinuates that we are a bunch of socially inept whiners that are just mopy because we aren’t getting any tail, or that we need to change our approach when meeting women, refer them to this post.
Here it goes:
Speaking on behalf of many men here, I say this: We don’t care. Get it? Sure, some of the griping on here refers to the lack of attention that men naturally want from women, but that is at best only a fraction of what’s being said. From what I’ve read, I am certain many here will agree that increased access to vagina is not the issue.
It’s the evil troll of a female behind the vagina that is the issue. We are not a bunch of stupid male spiders looking for a new technique to get our palps inside a female who will rip us apart anyway. We believe in self-preservation and self-respect.
We refuse to be players because we are tired of the games!!
Being a player means increased access to women. It does NOT mean increased access to QUALITY women. How are 5 quarts of spoiled milk superior to 1 quart of the same?
Now, can anyone imagine a sensible man saying to a good woman: “Sweetheart, you are the most wonderful lady I’ve met, but I’ve got to experiment and take my chances with chicks I hardly know who may be psychotic, vindictive, STD infested, and may take all my money! Bye, Honey!” No!!! If you did have access to QUALITY women, you wouldn’t be a player!! Your player days would be over! The fact that a man is a player demonstrates that he is no closer to real lasting love than any of the supposed “geeks,” “whimps,” “losers,” “whiners” “morphodites,” and “pansies” he derides.
The player may think the women he is with are the whores because they are giving him sex. No, he is the whore. He is the gigolo. He is the one who propositions. He is the one who tries to sell his person to several women. He is the one who works to get more clients.
When a man goes to Nevada, guess who has to satisfy the customer? The woman! The tables are turned! Now, I don’t think I’ll ever use the services of a prostitute, but if I had my pick between being a player and a John, the John route sounds more reasonable to me. At least professional prostitutes are tested. The women of the Player aren’t necessarily.
The idea that you have to radically disguise your real self, jump through hoops, try new approaches in order to get a good woman is the biggest crock of manure ever sold in a collectible tin. Rest assured, if you have to twist and twirl on a circus ball to get her, you’ll have to do the same to keep her. A good woman would never do that to a man.
QUOTE(Monkey_Junk @ Jul 19 2005, 07:17 PM)
Who the hell says nice guys finish last? Look at these ameriskanks! You think I’d want to date someone like that? I say nice guys finish first! Maybe we don’t get female attention as often as the bad boy, but really, would you want it from an ameriskank? By not having sex or committing to a relationship with an AW, I am not going to get divorced, I won’t get a disease, and I won’t get her pregnant so that she can screw me out of nearly all my hard-earned cash through the legal system.
It’s their standards of what “finishing first, finishing last” is, that we need to get away from. If I was in Eastern Europe or Asia, I know I could get a woman far superior to any American woman. That, to me, is finishing first.
*You think OUR lives are lonely, do you?
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by A Man on Jan 11, 2006, 3:23pm
Jan 11, 2006, 3:07pm, John wrote: So just because of these stats, you won’t even date, that’s stupid. This isn’t shaming language, this is what you are if you stop doing something because of the ‘risks’ involved.
There is plenty of other risks in life, yet we do them everyday.
Fine, if staying alone for the rest of your lives playing Quake, Doom or another game and having STD infected hookers come and suck you off once in a while just to convince you are still ‘the man’ must be the ideal way to live now, but to me that is a loser way of living and ultimately, lonely.
Maybe you could make some effort to refute the pov’s here instead of this very sad attempt at a strawman argument.
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by antiriad on Jan 11, 2006, 3:27pm
Jan 11, 2006, 3:07pm, John wrote: So just because of these stats, you won’t even date, that’s stupid. This isn’t shaming language, this is what you are if you stop doing something because of the ‘risks’ involved.
There is plenty of other risks in life, yet we do them everyday.
Fine, if staying alone for the rest of your lives playing Quake, Doom or another game and having STD infected hookers come and suck you off once in a while just to convince you are still ‘the man’ must be the ideal way to live now, but to me that is a loser way of living and ultimately, lonely.
Were those your last boyfriend’s favorite games?
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by CP on Jan 11, 2006, 3:28pm
Okay, I grant being single all my life will lead to loneliness. But I can tell you from first-hand experience that the pain of solitary loneliness is far far less than the pain of being in a committed relationship or marriage, and still feeling lonely. I can’t tell you how many times my ex wanted to be off doing her thing with her drunkard friends and felon-committing family members rather than just be good company for me. To look across a dining room table and see the face of someone who promised to be a companion in all things, not just when it felt good or was convenient, and still feeling like one does not even exist in their world hurts a hell of a lot more than just being alone.
Loneliness hurts, to be sure…but if I am going to be in that kind of pain, I am going to be the one doing it to myself, rather than being subjected to it from a woman’s senseless and dull cruelty.
I just love how there are people in this world who think that companionship and love are guaranteed once one is committed to another person. It’s all bullshit. I cannot compete with the constant stream of shit from everywhere else in the Universe that tells a woman:
“You can call all the shots in your life. You owe nothing, not even love, to the man sitting across from you. Fuck him…or rather, don’t. Find someone else to play with, you deserve it because you are woman.”
Pull your head out of your ass, Jackie…you’re in for the rudest awakening ever.
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by King Karan on Jan 11, 2006, 3:30pm
Who said he would be staying “alone”??? He has family and friends, he has women to go to for sex, and can do other activities. He will focus on his professional advancement — a much more important goal in life — on activities, sports, on developing his body, on travel, etc. That’s active life, freedom and joy. Any reason why invite the government in to potentially ruin all that (a virtual certainty)?!
Personally, I do stay alone in your sense of the word, knowing the quality of the aforementioned Western female representatives is the worst there is! Reading a book is superior to wasting time with women.
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by Riskbreaker on Jan 11, 2006, 3:37pm
http://www.okaygood.com/index.cgi?okay=get_topic&topic_id=1914431&page=0
*Let’s ask a few married men, eh:
married men – post here if you hate your life 07/17/05 09:21 am
God knows I hate mine.
Never get married. Everything good about your old life disappears and let me tell you, having two other insipid couples over for dinner on Saturday night does not replace what you lost.
I agree. Marriage has totally owned me.
Biggest. fucking. mistake. I. ever. made.
I’m afraid the things some people have said in this thread are all too true.
I was a witness of a marriage gone bad (saw it from the outside) of a missy who was by herself (living with Mr’s family) while he was away. She just couldnt control herself or stand being alone and ended up cheating. One of her friends informed Mr. about it and she was kicked to the curb, literally. Lost everything: roof over head, money, CC’s, all the security was gone in a INSTANT.
the saddest part of it all? This cunt doesn’t think she did anything bloody wrong. She “needed someone” for a long time, and thats how they justify it. They don’t care about breaking their marriage vows, they only care about themselves. They only care about THEIR feelings and don’t give a fuck about the consequences of their actions.
She lives in a fake reality where everything is O.K. She feels completely justified in what happened, and has NO REMORSE.
As someone young and unmarried, this really bothers the shit out of me, as I (or any decent man) could have been the poor bloke she did that to.
It’s like they wear a fucking mask their entire lives and then one day “POOF”, she’s a whore overnight.
you scumbags refuse to see anyone’s viewput but your own, and that is why you are alone, and always will be.
Being un-married does not equal being alone. Thats nothing but a made up scare tactic to trick someone in to signing over their freedom in some state endorsed contract. If its a person’s religion and they feel like making that commitment out of love, then thats fine but why the hell the state has to come into it is beyond me. I think each and every individual should be able to provide for themselves. Why we have to lock one or the other into a binding contract is preposterous. The idea that I was too blind to see this 11 years ago makes me wanna kick my own ass. Now, its not all about what I want, its about hurting a child and making him feel like I rejected him..which is what he would be told and I know it. I have no issue with child support or giving her everything we own. I could start over naked and sleeping on a park bench and be in better financial shape in a month than I am now. Its that one act of knowing she will hurt your child. Its that one act that I cannot let happen.
I may be the loser now but if there are different levels of hell, she’ll get a boiler room view.
11 years. My wife is currently out a Wal Mart buying worthless plastic shit. She’s 70 lbs overweight.
If it wasn’t for the kids I would kick her fat ass to the curb.
Face it gentlemen. Most marriages end in divorce.
It isn’t just due to bad luck. There’s damn good reasons for it. And most of them have a root cause in the fact that marriage is not, overall, beneficial to men – it is for women but not men.
Don’t let them control you with sex. If she has competition, she’ll work much harder to keep you interested. Ever watch the Bachelor or Joe Millionaire? It’s the perfect experiment in just how far women go when they want a desirable man, who is made more desirable by the fact that other women want him and are competing for him. After a while, it’s not even about the man, it’s about the competition and validation. Do you think for a minute that those women were in love?
Hell NO! Women are so self-deceptive that you can’t even trust them when they tell you they love you, especially when they’re benefiting greatly from being in the relationship.
This is why marriage with American women is not desirable anymore, because it means that they don’t have to do anything to keep you interested after they’ve got what they want. They have no more incentives. Now they can get fat, cut off all of their hair, have less sex with you, and there’s nothing you can do about it. It is a power shift, and I would advise any man no to allow any woman to have that kind of power over him. Women abuse the rules that protect them at an incredible rate, and they’re often so fucked in the head that they can dig deep and find some erroneous, illogical, irrational justification for it. They just don’t have any incentive to keep you interested anymore.
Marriage increases a woman’s options and choices, while conversely, it decreases a man’s options and choices.
Marriage for a man = Less money, less sex, more emotional abuse, more unnecessary responsibilities, no appreciation, no acknowledgment or respect for his contributions, constantly dealing with spouse who is never satisfied – nothing he does is ever enough, constant bitching about things she’s not getting despite all she’s getting, nagging, constantly being tested on how much he loves her, being told he doesn’t love her whenever he doesn’t do things the way she believes he should do them (emotionally bullying him into doing things the way she wants them done), destruction of his life’s dreams for her needs, etc. Nice deal, eh?
Women are extremely lazy in relationships. They expect you to initiate the meeting, they expect you to initiate the conversation, they expect you to initiate sex, they expect you to read their minds, they expect you to protect and take care of them as they just sit back and take in the benefits, they expect you to be their emotional tampon, all the while feeling perfectly justified in doing so since they’re the female and all they have to do is “show up” while you do the work. Do you really think that marriage will be any different?
Women want a man to commit, but their commitment to him only extends to his serving her needs.
*OK, Johnny, you’ve heard from married men, single men and American men as well as men over all the Earth. Now, with statistics and logic, SHOW us the benefits of pursuing American women or even dealing with women unless we WANT to.
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by Lee on Jan 11, 2006, 3:43pm
Jan 11, 2006, 3:07pm, John wrote: So just because of these stats, you won’t even date, that’s stupid. This isn’t shaming language, this is what you are if you stop doing something because of the ‘risks’ involved.
There is plenty of other risks in life, yet we do them everyday.
The point is that 35 years ago the risks to men to date and marry were much lower than they are today.
In 1965 5% of marriages ended in divorce. 1 in 20. Perfectly acceptable odds. Now? In California last year there were 87 divorces for every 100 marriages. C’mon. 87%? That’s crazy. That is a very high risk. The risk of dying in a car crash is something like 1 in 17,625. The risk of getting divorced is 1 in 3 (the absolute lowest number I have ever seen claimed) to 17 in 20 for current CA.
http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/odds.htm
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by TyHigs on Jan 11, 2006, 3:45pm
LMAO!
Non-sex working women, i.e. normal women, do not have STDs? I swear, the young women I’ve met who were 19-24 and admitted to having slept with over 30 guys (oh but she has to have feeeeelings for each guy first) are too numerous to count. And if this is considered “normal” to admit to this number, imagine what these women’s real numbers are. This includes women who’d been in 4 year long relationships.
I had one online chick who wanted me to visit her, but I’d have to stay there a month to have sex with her. Oh so logical. So of course I didn’t go. She kept bugging me, or rather, trying to get me to come see her. Then I told her the sexual things I expect from a woman after fellatio, and she stopped asking. Then she became more honest and admitted she has a case of genital warts. Yeah, this healthy girl who expected me to go see her probably would have NEVER told me she had genital warts cause she’d assume a condom would make things A-OK. Plus I caught her in countless other lies. It became entertaining to see if she’d remember what she said just the previous week so she could tell the same lie each time (and she couldn’t remember). That was probably the luckiest I got by not getting “lucky” with an American woman.
Normal women dont have STDs? Muahahahahahaha
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by drago99 on Jan 11, 2006, 5:32pm
Riskbreaker
EXCELLENT post
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by Citadel on Jan 11, 2006, 6:53pm
Some good points by all posters have been made in this thread.
What surprises me is a fact a previous poster said. In ‘65 there were only 1 in 20 marriages that ended in divorce. Yet just 25 years later it seemed that the divorce rate was 50%?
So is it basically that UK and American chics got enough money to bail themselves out of unhappy marriage?
Marriage is about compromise. But after women got the money, they were able to simply get a divorce. They didn’t need a man to support them since they had their careers.
Ironically, it seems like the fairest and most logical thing to do — every man, or woman, should be able to do what he or she likes. It’s his/her life.
That’s why I stress so much that pure logic isn’t the answer. Pure logic can lead to major problems. Pure logic would dictate that every person be free to choose his/her destiny. Well, you can see the results from that idea!
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by TyHigs on Jan 11, 2006, 7:14pm
lol who is this citadel person?
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by uzername on Jan 11, 2006, 7:45pm
Wine is for wankers… l prefer fermented fizzy sugar water flavoured with hops.
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by mamonaku on Jan 11, 2006, 8:54pm
I also have to say, excellent posts all around.
I am open to the possibility of marriage, but until laws change, and the courts are willing to provide Men equal protection under the law, marriage is definitely out of the question.
I would be insane to do such a thing, based on the information presented here and on other sites.
As other men have said, we will go our own way.
When the baby boomers begin to retire women will replace them, as the majority of college graduates will be female. At that time, they will have to put in an extreme amount of hours in order to carry our economy forward.
They must face down our global economic competition. They might even have to deploy to the battlefields of tomorrow to defend their interests.
Not to mention rear the children.
If our women and our politicians believe that men are useless, and only women can maintain our place in the Sun, then let them try it. We will leave them to their fate.
By choosing to do nothing, I am making a choice.
Have a nice day!
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by toadman on Jan 11, 2006, 9:12pm
Citadel you need to delve deeper into the forum and read before passing judgment on what we discuss.
Earned income is not the issue with AW’s, it’s governmental sponsorship of entitlement to “victims”.
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Life is grand….
Post by logic101 on Jan 11, 2006, 9:21pm
Jan 11, 2006, 12:44am, John wrote:
Marriage is ordained by God, and if you hate the anti-man laws, why instead of coming here and posting your dislike of these laws, why not write to newspapers, your member of congress, etc. in short, DO SOMETHING TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM.
Life is grand, live it!
John :
Actually, there is such a thing (I believe anyway) as free will. Individuals must learn to think for themselves. You are correct about this however–> “Life is grand, live it!”…..I am and doing the best I can as a flawed(human) just like everyone else on Earth. I will eventually expat for economic reasons. My main decision comes when/if I finally do marry a FW in her own non-feminized/pro-family country. That may be my unique way of ‘changing the system’. Care to guess what would happen if more AM did that?
-Logic 101
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by John on Jan 11, 2006, 11:16pm
You in 2006: “I am now in my 20s or 30s and I will not marry!”
You in 2056: “I am now an old man, silly me… I never married because I believed it was too risky and women were ALL evil, alas! I never even took a chance… now I am all alone, have no relatives to call, and cannot say I have someone to love and who loves me back, heck, I don’t even have kids, I have no family… I have NOTHING!” (puts gun to his head and pulls the trigger….)
What a sad, lonely end…
Lesson: Life is about taking chances.
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by antiriad on Jan 11, 2006, 11:27pm
Jan 11, 2006, 11:16pm, John wrote: You in 2006: “I am now in my 20s or 30s and I will not marry!”
You in 2056: “I am now an old man, silly me… I never married because I believed it was too risky and women were ALL evil, alas! I never even took a chance… now I am all alone, have no relatives to call, and cannot say I have someone to love and who loves me back, heck, I don’t even have kids, I have no family… I have NOTHING!” (puts gun to his head and pulls the trigger….)
What a sad, lonely end…
Lesson: Life is about taking chances.
Actually, the real lesson here is: stop pretending that you’re a man. Nobody believes you at this point.
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by JimP on Jan 11, 2006, 11:29pm
Jan 11, 2006, 11:16pm, John wrote: You in 2006: “I am now in my 20s or 30s and I will not marry!”
You in 2056: “I am now an old man, silly me… I never married because I believed it was too risky and women were ALL evil, alas! I never even took a chance… now I am all alone, have no relatives to call, and cannot say I have someone to love and who loves me back, heck, I don’t even have kids, I have no family… I have NOTHING!” (puts gun to his head and pulls the trigger….)
What a sad, lonely end…
Lesson: Life is about taking chances.
Jane, or whatever your name is, you Ameriskank bitches are just so dumb…
When men on this board decide to get married, they’ll get married, just not to YOU: American fat, ugly, fucked-in-the-head feminists scumbags, they’ll be happily married to nice, good looking, pleasant foreign women.
Get it through your thick stupid head, men want to get married but not to YOU!
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by AppleJack on Jan 11, 2006, 11:42pm
Jan 11, 2006, 11:16pm, John wrote: You in 2006: “I am now in my 20s or 30s and I will not marry!”
You in 2056: “I am now an old man, silly me… I never married because I believed it was too risky and women were ALL evil, alas! I never even took a chance… now I am all alone, have no relatives to call, and cannot say I have someone to love and who loves me back, heck, I don’t even have kids, I have no family… I have NOTHING!” (puts gun to his head and pulls the trigger….)
What a sad, lonely end…
Lesson: Life is about taking chances.
My 85 year old grandfather bowls in a senior citizens league in Florida with other married couples. He just mentioned to us not long ago that there seemed to be a trend amongst the wives of the male bowlers. As soon as the husband started showing signs of sickness, the wives were dumping the guys off in nursing homes as quick as possible.
I’ve seen other female relatives of mine abandon their elderly husbands in the hospital and refuse to take them back home. Meanwhile, they sell off dear hubby’s possessions, give away his clothes, and wait for him to die.
Maybe you should tell these guys your crazy theory and see what they have to say.
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by John on Jan 11, 2006, 11:53pm
Check out:
www.grannycumshere.com
Older women who put their husbands in the nursing home and then go an fuck younger men, quite funny actually, read the description of the grannies on this website, hilarious!
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by CP on Jan 12, 2006, 12:00am
Jan 11, 2006, 11:16pm, John wrote: You in 2006: “I am now in my 20s or 30s and I will not marry!”
You in 2056: “I am now an old man, silly me… I never married because I believed it was too risky and women were ALL evil, alas! I never even took a chance… now I am all alone, have no relatives to call, and cannot say I have someone to love and who loves me back, heck, I don’t even have kids, I have no family… I have NOTHING!” (puts gun to his head and pulls the trigger….)
What a sad, lonely end…
Lesson: Life is about taking chances.
There’s a difference between taking a chance in life, which means some sort of reasonable gamble that it will pay off to your advantage, and knowingly walking into a spinning helicopter blade, which is certain to degrade your quality of life by a butt-load. What is so hard about understanding that fulfilling one’s life has nothing whatever to do with what another person can bring to it? If one needs marriage or companions or children in order to be happy and complete, then your life is pretty shallow already.
For the record, I already have kids. I don’t expect them to live their lives for my happiness. I expect them to live it towards fulfilling their own.
Does anyone else here get the impression that we are speaking to a parrot with a limited vocabulary?
Raawwwk…take risks……
Raawwwk…God sez marry….
Raawwwk…you’ll be lonely…
Raawwwk…ignore all evidence to the contrary spend the best and most productive years giving it all to some lard-farmer with a bumper crop on her ass and lose it all the first time she yawns from boredom but so what you’ll be married and if she does fuck you over you still have the remaining years to look back at your mis-spent youth while women all over America are laughing at your sorry ass but I won’t say that because I’m too stubborn to admit that life is too short to see the produce of your labors sucked away….
Raawwk…Fembot wants a cracker…
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by AppleJack on Jan 12, 2006, 12:16am
Jan 11, 2006, 11:53pm, John wrote: Check out:
www.grannycumshere.com
Older women who put their husbands in the nursing home and then go an fuck younger men, quite funny actually, read the description of the grannies on this website, hilarious!
Sorry, but I don’t see the humor in it. I’ve seen 80 year old, cancer stricken men, break down in tears because the women they provided for and loved for many years dumped them when they needed companionship the most.
Unlike the weirdo women on your link, these elderly wives weren’t looking for some young hot stud to fuck. They just didn’t want the toil and responsibility of tending to a sick, life-time mate. These women were merely ungrateful opportunistic parasites devoid of morals and a conscience.
Go spend some time with some elderly men and chat them up. Ask them how many of these women stick around for the end times.
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by Lee on Jan 12, 2006, 12:28am
Jan 12, 2006, 12:16am, AppleJack wrote: Sorry, but I don’t see the humor in it. I’ve seen 80 year old, cancer stricken men, break down in tears because the women they provided for and loved for many years dumped them when they needed companionship the most.
Unlike the weirdo women on your link, these elderly wives weren’t looking for some young hot stud to fuck. They just didn’t want the toil and responsibility of tending to a sick, life-time mate. These women were merely ungrateful opportunistic parasites devoid of morals and a conscience.
Go spend some time with some elderly men and chat them up. Ask them how many of these women stick around for the end times.
If this is true, this is the most disturbing thing I have ever heard. Worse than gold-digging 25 year olds, 32 year olds that take your job, and fat, masculine, man-hating office managers who bust mens balls for sport. Worse than VAWA 2005 and IMBRA 2005 and family court laws and anti-male divorce laws.
If 70 and 80 year old women are dumping off the husband as soon as they can, I see no reason for any man to ever get married in the U.S. ever again. The men spend decades providing for these women and the best they can do is abandon them? American Women Suck.
The Internet is either going to kill relationships between men and women in the U.S., or the women will wise up as all men learn the truth and pass it on to the younger generation. Each time a story like this hits a blog, millions of others can access it. Google will spider it and store it. If posted to Usenet, it stays there a very long time, maybe indefinitely.
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by AppleJack on Jan 12, 2006, 12:44am
Jan 12, 2006, 12:28am, Lee wrote:
Jan 12, 2006, 12:16am, AppleJack wrote: Sorry, but I don’t see the humor in it. I’ve seen 80 year old, cancer stricken men, break down in tears because the women they provided for and loved for many years dumped them when they needed companionship the most.Unlike the weirdo women on your link, these elderly wives weren’t looking for some young hot stud to fuck. They just didn’t want the toil and responsibility of tending to a sick, life-time mate. These women were merely ungrateful opportunistic parasites devoid of morals and a conscience.
Go spend some time with some elderly men and chat them up. Ask them how many of these women stick around for the end times.
If this is true, this is the most disturbing thing I have ever heard. Worse than gold-digging 25 year olds, 32 year olds that take your job, and fat, masculine, man-hating office managers who bust mens balls for sport.
If 70 and 80 year old women are dumping off the husband as soon as they can, I see no reason for any man to ever get married in the U.S. ever again. The men spend decades providing for these women and the best they can do is abandon them? Human beings suck.
The Internet is either going to kill relationships between men and women in the U.S., or the women will wise up as all men learn the truth and pass it on to the younger generation.
Honest, that’s what he said, and he’s not the type of guy to just make those kinds of statements without having seen the evidence to back them up.
Even my grandmother noticed the trend. Saw it happen to her own brother also. His wife stuck him in the hospital and refused to let him come home. She immediately began to give away his clothing, his shoes, a garage full of immaculate tools he’d collected during his years of employment with Texas Instruments. He died in the hospital, heartbroken, lonely, and begging to go back home to the wife who abandoned him in his hour of need.
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by Lee on Jan 12, 2006, 12:51am
This warrants investigation. I am going to cross post this to a number of places. I am truly, deeply, disturbed by this revelation. Thanks for the info.
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by antiriad on Jan 12, 2006, 12:56am
Jan 12, 2006, 12:28am, Lee wrote:
Jan 12, 2006, 12:16am, AppleJack wrote: Sorry, but I don’t see the humor in it. I’ve seen 80 year old, cancer stricken men, break down in tears because the women they provided for and loved for many years dumped them when they needed companionship the most.Unlike the weirdo women on your link, these elderly wives weren’t looking for some young hot stud to fuck. They just didn’t want the toil and responsibility of tending to a sick, life-time mate. These women were merely ungrateful opportunistic parasites devoid of morals and a conscience.
Go spend some time with some elderly men and chat them up. Ask them how many of these women stick around for the end times.
If this is true, this is the most disturbing thing I have ever heard. Worse than gold-digging 25 year olds, 32 year olds that take your job, and fat, masculine, man-hating office managers who bust mens balls for sport. Worse than VAWA 2005 and IMBRA 2005 and family court laws and anti-male divorce laws.
If 70 and 80 year old women are dumping off the husband as soon as they can, I see no reason for any man to ever get married in the U.S. ever again. The men spend decades providing for these women and the best they can do is abandon them? American Women Suck.
The Internet is either going to kill relationships between men and women in the U.S., or the women will wise up as all men learn the truth and pass it on to the younger generation. Each time a story like this hits a blog, millions of others can access it. Google will spider it and store it. If posted to Usenet, it stays there a very long time, maybe indefinitely.
As I have said many times in the past, I would not keep repeating the following if I didn’t see the most profound truth in it:
“Woman is a violent and uncontrolled animal, and it is useless to let go the reins and then expect her not to kick over the traces. You must keep her on a tight rein . . . Women want total freedom or rather – to call things by their names – total licence. If you allow them to achieve complete equality with men, do you think they will be easier to live with? Not at all. Once they have achieved equality, they will be your masters . . .” — Cato the Elder 234-149 B.C. quoted in Livy’s ‘History of Rome’.
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by TyHigs on Jan 12, 2006, 1:04am
Ahh, so now we see where things really started.
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by antiriad on Jan 12, 2006, 2:06am
A very successful friend of mine put it this way: life and marriage are constant war. The moment you abandon the battle, you choose to lose it. There is no middle ground with women; you either dominate them or they dominate you. You can be in a successful relationship with a woman as long as you are cognizant of this. Once you feel secure in your relationship, you resign yourself to being a slave.
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by uzername on Jan 12, 2006, 4:29am
After reading that ‘married men who hate their lives thread’ lm speculating that many(most?) women aren’t capable of happiness until they have a manly man who does all of the manly male shiat.
All that typical chesty bonds crap of wear the pants, stand up to her and the world, blah, blah, blah. Well, personally, l cant be bothered with having to stand up to her to be happy… what a tedious chore. l do enuff of that out earning a keep in the world, who wants it during the rest of life?
Anyway, even if its done and she is apparently happy, she seemingly must continue hammering at your pshche to keep you fighting and thus her happy. Hmmm, chasing my tail like a bored yard dog sounds like a recipe for madness. No thanks. Pass.
So my idea is… invoking discontent thru a so called boycott/strike wont make any difference because she is perpetually discontent anyway. And that seems to be inherently characteristic. Its not only men who are adaptable to solitude. Women too are very adaptable. The way l see it is that the pain of future solitude is not more painful than present solitude. In fact one adapt to it. One way or another, irrespective of gender, solitude can often lead to loneliness and unchecked loneliness has a way of embittering. It takes a conscious effort to keep loneliness at bay and direct one’s solitude to positive directions.
lm not sure about how many men (or women) living alone out there are doing so because of the farked up state of gender relations versus those who came up in an age of liberal lifestyle possibilities and found they could do their own thing and/or embraced/adapted to independence and a huge dose of personal freedom.
Personally, lm in the latter camp. Whilst l think women are somewhere from a little to a lot crazy, l cant really begrudge their often amusing and irritating ways just because l haven’t got one. Fact is, l don’t really want to own one, preferring a bit of companionship and casual joy ride from time to time.
Marriage/cohab, to me, represents one of lifes’ many constraints on freedom and independence. It seems to me that the ultimate lever of coercion by the state is the family. Will be buggered first before l hand so much autonomy to the state and render my self so fundamentally exposed to the state’s coercive prowess.
Not sure that there is going to be a fundamental shift as a result of women ‘waking up’. l suspect that our generations of men and women (say last 40yrs plus maybe next 20-40yrs), if we are not careful, are going to argue and grumble ourselves into our graves. Whilst, in the meantime, the social engineers gradually shift things toward some sort of balance (prolly via socially acrimonious self preservation tactics like wealth and death taxes) after they get a massive shock when the numbers don’t add up and they can no longer ignore the crumbling store front, crappy goods and absent customers.
Then again, immigration and conversion to the American (liberal) way could keep the current machine going forever. l will figure out a way to be happy and will be gone a long time before forever, so ultimately its all academic for some of us.
As an aside that trolling post about the fear of regretting dying alone is most likely a female sentiment. Everyone goes out just the way each of us came into this life… alone. Also some of those stories about being abandoned by loved one’s in the final days are very sad. Speaks to the truth about women, which only seems like an embittered revelation due to years of swallowing the myth of self-saintliness peddled by the fairer sex.
Its also likely to be a female poster because the button being pushed is the ‘what about meeeeeeeeeeee’ scardy cat button.
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by toadman on Jan 12, 2006, 9:56am
Quote: “I am now an old man, silly me… I never married because I believed it was too risky and women were ALL evil, alas! I never even took a chance… now I am all alone, have no relatives to call, and cannot say I have someone to love and who loves me back, heck, I don’t even have kids, I have no family… I have NOTHING!”
Man I wish I was Hugh Hefner.
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by Windows XP on Jan 12, 2006, 2:27pm
CP, you are just bitter because your ex outfoxed you and left you before you did, you deserve what you got for making a bad choice of mate! Ha, ha!
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by antiriad on Jan 12, 2006, 2:32pm
Jan 12, 2006, 2:27pm, Windows XP wrote: CP, you are just bitter because your ex outfoxed you and left you before you did, you deserve what you got for making a bad choice of mate! Ha, ha!
You wenches are all alike. Good riddance, nobody wants you.
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by LightningAura on Jan 12, 2006, 3:07pm
Jan 12, 2006, 2:27pm, Windows XP wrote: CP, you are just bitter because your ex outfoxed you and left you before you did, you deserve what you got for making a bad choice of mate! Ha, ha!
Outfoxed…. See that’s the problem! You shouldn’t have to be a paranoid sociopathic to survive a marriage without losing anything. Marriage should be about caring for each other, learning to love each other and compromising selfishness. The stats are overwhelmingly against finding a good mate here in the US, not to mention the deceptions women use.
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by Citadel on Jan 12, 2006, 6:31pm
Quote: CP, you are just bitter because your ex outfoxed you and left you before you did, you deserve what you got for making a bad choice of mate! Ha, ha!
Do U understand that marriage is a partnership of sorts, not a competition??
Total moron.
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by JimP on Jan 12, 2006, 6:41pm
Jan 12, 2006, 6:31pm, Citadel wrote:
Quote: CP, you are just bitter because your ex outfoxed you and left you before you did, you deserve what you got for making a bad choice of mate! Ha, ha!Do U understand that marriage is a partnership of sorts, not a competition??
Total moron.
Cindy, or whatever your name is, in theory you’re right. But there’s an old joke about that.
A young boy went to his father and asked, “Dad, what’s the difference between theory and reality?”
“Well, son, the best way to explain this is a practical exercise. Go ask your Mom if she’d sleep with a stranger for five million dollars and come tell me her answer.”
The boy returned and said, ” She said she would, Dad.” “OK,” replied the father, “Go ask your sister the same question.”
The boy returned and said that his sister also answered yes to the question and then asked his Dad, “What’s this got to do with theory and reality?”
“It’s simple, son. In theory, we have 10 million dollars, in reality we have 2 whores in the house.”
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by cp on Jan 12, 2006, 7:05pm
Jan 12, 2006, 2:27pm, Windows XP wrote: CP, you are just bitter because your ex outfoxed you and left you before you did, you deserve what you got for making a bad choice of mate! Ha, ha!
Wrong again…I was the one who filed for divorce.
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by Charles on Jan 12, 2006, 10:43pm
Jan 12, 2006, 7:05pm, cp wrote:
Jan 12, 2006, 2:27pm, Windows XP wrote: CP, you are just bitter because your ex outfoxed you and left you before you did, you deserve what you got for making a bad choice of mate! Ha, ha!Wrong again…I was the one who filed for divorce.
Then you fucked up, you now have to pay child support, give half your assets and hand her the kids. Fucker!
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by TyHigs on Jan 12, 2006, 11:00pm
Jan 12, 2006, 10:43pm, Charles wrote:
Jan 12, 2006, 7:05pm, cp wrote:Wrong again…I was the one who filed for divorce.
Then you fucked up, you now have to pay child support, give half your assets and hand her the kids. Fucker!
This woman delights in how unfair the family court is. Then on other threads she has the nerve to call us women-haters (obviously she hasn’t learned the word “misogynist” yet).
If the reverse were true, and men GOT everything, the marriage and birth rate would plummet to zero tomorrow (or in 9 months). It is men who are risk takers, and right now, men are taking these risks, but not for much longer.
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by toadman on Jan 12, 2006, 11:39pm
Quote: A very successful friend of mine put it this way: life and marriage are constant war. The moment you abandon the battle, you choose to lose it.
Then again why engage an unworthy and irrelevant opponent with no treasures worth pillaging?
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Re: Don’t whine
Post by CP on Jan 12, 2006, 11:57pm
Jan 12, 2006, 10:43pm, Charles wrote:
Jan 12, 2006, 7:05pm, cp wrote:Wrong again…I was the one who filed for divorce.
Then you fucked up, you now have to pay child support, give half your assets and hand her the kids. Fucker!
Yeah, you talk awfully brave, Charlene.
I don’t mind child support as they are my children too. As to assets, that amounted to the house, and she is fucking-A welcome to it. As to my kids, they are a part of my life, and will remain thus for as long as I live. Yeah, I really lost out by not staying married to an entitlement queen who thought her shit didn’t stink. At least I can call my own shots without having to put up with her emotional blackmail and manipulation. My kids are old enough to see through the bullshit that is her whole reason for living.
And, I can find commiseration and kinship here long before I will ever find it in an American women without having to get a mother-may-I from anyone.
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