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Why Modern, Western Marriage Has Become A Bad Business Decision For Men

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Why Modern, Western Marriage Has Become A Bad Business Decision For Men

This writing seeks to educate men about the realities of what they may be getting into when they marry a Western Woman. An informed decision is less likely to be one that may be regretted later in the marriage. The intent is not to dissuade men from marrying, but to encourage them to communicate frankly their concerns and expectations regarding marriage with their potential spouses. The secondary aim of this essay is to enlighten women to a few of the reasons why increasingly larger numbers of successful, eligible, unmarried men, who would otherwise prefer monogamous long-term relationships, are turning their backs on marriage.

Society typically paints a negative stereotype of men who hesitate, delay, or elect not to marry.

They are labeled as either:

A) Womanisers who are unable to participate in a long term relationship, or
B) Selfish, childish or irresponsible men who can not take care of themselves or another person.

No other explanation is ever explored.

The cost of proclaiming your undying love

In University, in professional sports, in politics, in the workplace; women have the same educational and professional career opportunities as men. Contrary to commonly believed feminist propaganda, women do indeed get paid the same salary as men, given that they are willing to work the same types of jobs as men, and work as many hours as the men do. Despite this reality, many women come into marriage with very few assets, and often are saddled with substantial quantities of debt. In general, men are the ones who save and invest. Don’t believe me? Count the number of women of marrying age that you know who subscribe to financial services magazines or newspapers. A significant number of 20-something and 30-something women spend all of their disposable income on luxury rental apartments, upscale restaurants, frequent exotic vacations, leased cars, spa treatments, and excessive amounts of clothing, purses, shoes and accessories. Yet ironically, in the media, men are the ones who are portrayed as reckless, irresponsible spendthrifts.

When marriage enters the picture, double standards and financial imbalances leave responsible men to pick up the slack and fix the mess she may have made of her finances. Men are forced to spend their hard-earned savings, or take out an usurious loan, on a diamond ring. Women justify this relatively recent, mid-20th Century ritual, which was spawned by a brilliant 1940′s mass-brainwashing campaign launched by DeBeers, by insisting that a man wants to buy her a diamond and that it makes him proud to be able to proclaim his love and affection towards her in this fashion. Granted there are some men who may be inclined to declare their commitment to a life-long partner in this way, but there are plenty of men whom seek a lifelong partnership and commitment who have no interest in buying diamonds. What choice do these men have? None! To many young men, the ring, catered wedding, and honeymoon in an exotic locale at a five-star hotel is an unwelcome land mine on their journey towards adult financial stability and independence. To add insult to injury, he is now locked into a lifetime of insurance payments for this grossly overpriced jewelry. Contrary to popularly held belief diamonds are not rare at all, but instead are common and inexpensive. Their high price is due to their supply having been artificially manipulated. Some men are more concerned with realising their dream of owning a home and becoming financially stable enough to begin a family and responsibly provide for their welfare. Men worry about these matters, because, ultimately, it becomes their sole responsibility.

The purchase of the diamond ring is a predictor of things to come. Immediately after buying it, the man may be rewarded with bridal demands to finance all or part of a lavish wedding, depending upon the size of his bank account and the ambitions of his fiancée. The average costs of today’s Western Weddings frequently exceed that of a house down payment or, in certain parts of the world, the entire cost of the house itself. If a man enters a marriage having saved up a down payment for his dream home, it can suddenly be snatched right out from underneath him. Many men may object to spending such a large sum of money on what is basically a very expensive one-day, four-hour party. He also will be spending a year of his life planning it, when he could use the same time to further his career or education. However, what a man wants is really not of any concern anymore at this point in the proceedings. His wants, desires, hopes and dreams are ignored almost in their entirety. Her opinions regarding the wedding are frequently non-negotiable. A wedding is no longer an event that is equally for the bride and groom. As many of today’s Bridezilla’s will gleefully remind you, “Today is MY day!”. This gives her licence to become selfish, irresponsible, demanding and childlike. A man who balks at spending his entire life savings, or shouldering a five-figure debt load, for the ring, catered wedding and honeymoon in an exotic locale at a five-star hotel, can and will be labeled as a selfish cheapskate or not a “Real Man”. If a woman leaves such a man for him suggesting that they try to keep their costs under control, she would have the full support of everyone around her as she dumped him.

“She can do better”, “Clearly, he doesn’t love her”, “He doesn’t deserve her”, and similar sentiments will be muttered in quiet circles just out of his earshot. This is a sign of her good self-esteem and healthy self-image, and a sign that she won’t settle for anything less. She is the poster girl for the Modern, Independent Woman.

Imagine if a man demanded equal treatment and asked that she buy him a new bass boat, and a two-week bear hunt in Siberia as a condition of marriage. This would be viewed as absurd, yet women do it every day. Modern Western Marriage is supposedly an equal partnership, isn’t it?

The injustices go from bad to worse when children enter the picture. If he can afford to carry the entire familial financial burden, the woman may now elect to stop working entirely. She will often make this decision regardless of how he may feel about it. The day she stops working is the day that all of her past financial baggage unequivocally gets tossed onto his shoulders. If the woman has racked up substantial credit card debts, these are now his payments to make; if the woman has not bothered to pay off her student loans, these become his responsibility; if she owes an enormous sum on her luxury car note, it is up to him to pay it off. Irony of ironies is that he is now paying for her degree and she isn’t even working anymore! Can he object? Can he say: “No Honey, you made your mess, and it should not be my job to clean it up. You knew that you wanted kids even before you met me, and you should have planned ahead.” No, he cannot. The payments can’t be deferred until she is once again able to continue repaying them herself, not if he wants to retain a clean credit rating to get a loan for their dream home. If he even suggested that she return to work to pay off some of her own debt load, he opens himself to criticisms of being an unsupportive husband and bad father who is endangering the welfare of his children. Now the noose tightens and the responsible husband compensates for the mother’s freewheeling and irresponsible past, and begins slowly to pay off her old debts. In the most twisted turn of events yet, the debt he is paying off may often be on credit cards used to finance Vacations, Hotel Rooms and Christmas gifts shared with previous husbands, boyfriends, fiancés and lovers. Caveat Emptor! This is the reward for today’s man who works hard, makes sacrifices, plans ahead, and invests wisely. By getting married to the typical Modern, Western Woman, the man is certainly susceptible to being railroaded into this situation, because it is completely acceptable within today’s gender roles and societal norms.

Marriage can mean career slavery

Anyone who says, “Slavery is dead” clearly has not contemplated the predicament of the average Western Husband, where a good paycheck can mean career slavery. Merriam-Webster’s English Dictionary defines slavery as “…(T)he state of a person who is a chattel (an item of tangible movable or immovable property) of another person.” If the husband earns enough to support both of them, he would be hard pressed to make an argument to preserve equality and have her continue working as he does. If the wife decides to stop working, the man who has been left holding the financial bag finds his options very limited. He may find himself working in a career that he hates, for abusive and exploitative management, excessively long hours, in a position that is physically dangerous or demanding, in an organisation that has no growth potential, far away from home. At this point, considering the corner he’s been painted into, he is often powerless to affect any positive, meaningful change in his own life. He may have been harbouring delusions that once his wife was able to return to work, he would be able to gain some flexibility to rectify some of the shortcomings in his own career. Perhaps changing careers or accepting a lower salary at a different firm in exchange for better hours, a shorter commute, or more fulfilling work. Nevertheless, the distinct reality is that he will continue to shoulder the financial responsibilities of his family alone. His reward for working hard and getting ahead is to become trapped into his career, and become a specialised beast of burden to an emotionally and financially dependent family. Does it really pay to work hard anymore and apply oneself to his full potential?

If she stops working, she may never work again.

There are many debates about the merits of a stay-at-home mother vs. a working mother. My goal here is to simply educate the prospective husband on frequently unseen risks he is taking on when he agrees to accept 100% of the financial burden to allow his wife to stay at home. An informed decision is less likely to be one that may be regretted later in the marriage.

Every parent will agree that staying home with children is backbreaking and often mind-numbing labour. Many new fathers may concede that it is much easier to go to work than to stay at home with several children. However, the greatest imbalance in efforts and contributions to a marriage can manifest once all of the children are of school age. The house is now empty from 8am-3pm. The wife has 7 hours to herself while the kids are at school and the husband is at work. After a few years of hard work at home, many wives may feel entitled to “kick back” and take it easy. The good, supportive husband, however, has worked those same years, has done his 50/50 of the housework, and is still working just as hard to support the family once the kids are in school. His workload has not diminished, and it may have even increased as her expectations rise. He is rarely afforded the same option to scale back his daytime efforts.

What motivation does the modern wife have to return to work? Very little. For several years now, the man’s salary has been enough to live on. Otherwise, she would have been working to make ends meet. Unless tight finances dictate that she must return to work, the husband really has little say in this matter. The wife can hide behind many different excuses in order not to work, despite having little to do from 8am-3pm. Among the commonest are:

“I’m busy with the housework”
It is easy to exaggerate the labours of daily housework. Yet how long does it take to throw clothes or dishes into the washer, and remove them later? Vacuuming can be done in 1 hour a week. Grocery shopping is another hour per week. A decent meal can be prepared in under an hour. Does all of this add up to 7 hours a day? The lie that housework is hard, time-consuming drudgery is no longer as persuasive as it may have been in the past, because in an age of later marriage, many men are already experienced in cooking, cleaning, and general housekeeping and know that it doesn’t take that much effort or time. Humourously, not every stay-at-home-wife even performs all of these duties.

“I can’t find a job”
She has been out of work too long, and therefore is unable to find a job. This may be true, but many men do not consider this risk when they agree to support her while she “temporarily” stops working. Hopefully now they will, and can make a more informed decision. Many wives may use this as a convenient scapegoat to stop looking for any job at all. The next section describes how this can be used against him in the event of divorce.

“It doesn’t pay for me to work”
In the short run, the expenses of returning to work such as gas, lunch, clothes and day care may not make it worthwhile for her to return to the workforce. This may be true, but does that justify her playing tennis, drinking lattes and ‘catching up with her friends’ while her husband toils away? Many couples may be too shortsighted to thoroughly and comprehensively think through this issue. Initially, the cost to benefits ratio may not be ideal, but her returning to work will improve her job skills and network of contacts and over time the return on investment will improve. More so than strolling through the local mall every afternoon and window-shopping for new window treatments. Over time, as her career gets back on track, and she becomes qualified for better jobs, her salary should also improve.

It should be duly noted that some working wives view their salary as “personal spending money”, and still expect the man to pay all or most of the bills. Western Women are often heard to claim that, “What’s mine is mine, and what’s his is ours.”

Even more unfair double standards that favour wives

Cheating
If a married man cheats, he’s the scum of the earth. He is a selfish jerk that has jeopardised the family unit, done his ‘thinking with his little head’, and disrespected his wife and children. However, when the woman cheats, she’s portrayed as the victim of an insensitive and inattentive husband. “Poor thing, he ignores her. It is for her empowerment, to boost her ego. She deserves it after bearing and rearing his children.” It’s good for her self-esteem. Worse, her cheating is portrayed as the man’s fault. If he works long hours to provide for her and the children, he works too much. If he is tired at the end of the day from 13 hours of manual labour, then he doesn’t compliment her as much as she wants. Into this vacuum of conflicting expectations steps the first man who “makes me feel like a Real Woman again…”. You read that correctly; the man who is scrambling to pay the mortgage and car payments and is working double shifts to pay for the consumer goods she demanded to have is now considered a negligent and emotionally abusive husband. The man who may be working two jobs to allow her to be home with her kids is now considered a candidate for Domestic Violence.

When a woman cheats, the first thing people ask is what he did, or more often, didn’t do, to drive her into the arms of another man.

When a man cheats, no one ever asks the same question.

When a woman cheats, the reaction will be; “Oh, poor thing, I guess her husband couldn’t get the job done in the bedroom”.

When a man cheats, no one ever stops to think; “Oh poor fellow, his wife was horrible in bed.”

Let’s not forget what happens if a man were to leave his wife for a younger woman. This will become fodder at the coffee shop for months. It is automatically assumed that he is a shallow sex maniac whose only motivation was to be with a younger woman. The possibility that his wife was of a generation of women who were taught to hate men and that younger women do not, that she was lazy, or a reckless spendthrift, or verbally or physically abusive, or grossly overweight, or an incompetent mother, are rarely considered and are often totally ignored. The myth is that the only reason a man leaves his wife is to be with a younger, more attractive woman. Never mind if she is a better match for him and a more supportive, nurturing mate.

Pre-Nups
If a man insists on a Pre-Nup, he is selfish and unromantic. However, when is the last time a woman who demanded a Pre-Nup was called “unromantic”? On the contrary, if a woman requests a Pre-Nup, she is being fiscally responsible, sensible and looking out for herself. (Note: If your fiancée refuses to sign a Pre-Nup, she has just shown her hand. Best to leave now.) Why is it that a woman can refuse a Pre-Nup, and it is accepted by society? In reality, the man should be outraged that she is after a legal contract, and not love.

What is astounding is the hypocrisy of the usual reaction towards Pre-Nups. Women can conveniently assert that a man is unromantic if he suggests a Pre-Nup. After all, how can a man pollute true love with the signing of legal paperwork! However, what is a marriage licence? Nothing more than a legal contract entered into between the man, woman and local and state government authorities. A woman does not seem to balk at signing this legal paperwork, which entitles her to at least half the assets a man has accumulated as well as half of everything he earns in the future, and obligates him to support her in perpetuity in the event of a breakup. Why aren’t men allowed to note how unromantic this contract is? The distraction of bridal magazines, place setting selection, floral arrangements, wedding dresses, receptions, wedding showers, and honeymoons have clouded the legal reality of what men are getting themselves into. Marriage is as much an unromantic legal contract as a prenuptial agreement is.

Initially, Pre-Nups were devised as a way to protect women. Nuptial agreements were popularised in the 19th century, mostly to protect heiresses from marrying men who were “out for their money”. Until the Married Women’s Property Act of 1848, under English Common Law, a woman’s property, upon marriage, was usually transferred to her husband.

“Stupid, Irresponsible” Men
Men are severely abused in our media, quite frankly. Just watch any TV commercial or sitcom and see how they portray men as idiots, dolts, or well intentioned, if bumbling, buffoons. If women were portrayed in commercials in the same fashion, “Women’s Organisations” would have a fit. If it weren’t for their wives in these shows and ads the men would be lost “animals”, unable to feed themselves or perform even the simplest of tasks. Other commercials make it appear that men act without thinking, only responding in an impulsive and irrational manner, and that the wife is the brains of the family. Even many women will agree that women often are the ones who act upon emotions and make judgments solely based up on emotional attachments and not logic or reason. Almost every “couples budgeting” article will portray the woman as the one who has to rein in the man’s childish spending, when in truth it is usually the woman who cannot control her expenditures.

Job Loss
If a husband loses his job and is having trouble finding work, the wife is completely and totally justified in threatening to leave him. However, can you imagine the reaction if a husband threatened to leave a wife who was in the exact same position? He would be vilified! If a man loses his job, the woman is justified in resenting the fact that the financial burden lies on her. He is no longer a ‘good provider’. When is a man allowed to resent this very same predicament? If a man is laid off and cares for the household and kids while the wife is working, he may be accused of not pulling his weight! Yet this is exactly the same situation that women demand more recognition for with each passing year! No matter what role the man plays, he loses!

Traditional Roles
It is perfectly acceptable for a woman to demand that a man make a certain salary, drive a certain car, live in a certain part of the city, have a certain job, have the ‘right’ manners, talk a certain way, walk a certain way, behave a certain way, have a degree from the ‘right’ University and dress in a stylish fashion, to be deemed “marriage material” and be able to provide her with the stability she feels she deserves. If a man demands his wife do the cooking and cleaning, he can now be labeled old fashioned and sexist. If he asks her to carry her weight financially, just as he does, he may be criticised as an inadequate provider. If a man insists that his wife honor the conjugal requirements of the marriage contract, he can and will be accused of sexual abuse, sexual assault or rape.

To add insult to injury, some women have gotten so pampered that they not only quit their jobs the day they find out they are pregnant, but they then go out and hire as many nannies, cooks, gardeners and pool boys as their husband can afford. Many Western Wives stay at home and hire someone else to rear the kids and clean up, while they drink lattes and go shopping all day with other pampered “stay-at-home” mothers. Does it pay to work hard and get ahead anymore, if this is how your hard-earned money is squandered?

The concept of the pampered wife is a relatively new one. Most of Western Civilisation was primarily an agricultural economy even up until the 1920′s and 1930’s. Western Wives contributed to the well being of the household by helping on the farm. A man needed a wife as an equal partner. It was not until the 1950′s that the first generation of Western Wives, first in The States and later in Europe, Australia and New Zealand, began to emerge as dead weight. Perhaps this coincides with the spiking of the divorce rate in The States, and later Europe and the other English Speaking Nations, and the rise of Feminism. Perhaps men have become tired of giving so much, while getting so little in exchange.

Divorce

43% of Western Marriages end in divorce, and 70% to 93% of these divorces are initiated by women.

All men should consult a legal professional before marrying, and understand the implications of divorce, because the chances are 1-in-3 that they will participate in one whether they like it, want it, inititate it or not.

Upon divorce, all assets accumulated during and prior to a marriage are subject to division. It has become, simply put. a licence to steal. Even if the woman has not worked in years, and has spent the intervening decade(s) shopping and lunching from 8am-3pm, she is entitled to half, or more, of everything the man worked for during the course of the marriage. Is this fair? How many people would ever agree to a job contract that stipulated that in the event of separation that one party would have to return 50% of the gross amount of everything in the pay packet? No one in his or her right mind would knowingly sign such an agreement. Yet Western Men unknowingly agree to the exact same insanity each time they sign their marriage contract!

“Assets accumulated prior to a marriage are exempt from a divorce”. In theory this is true, in practice it is not. If funds from an account are commingled or combined, it can become marital property. How do funds become commingled, or mixed? If even the smallest sum from a prior account is spent towards the marriage, all of that account will now be considered marital property. Buy your child a lollipop from your own account, and a good lawyer will take one-half of it for your ex-wife when you divorce. If a woman moves into a home the man owned prior to the marriage, it is not safe from divorce. If she so much as hangs up a sheet of wallpaper, puts up draperies, paints a wall, or installs a light fixture, the home is now classified as joint marital property, and is now subject to equal division. Worse actually, the man can be ejected from the home if she makes a false claim of domestic violence, physical abuse, verbal abuse or child abuse. Where is the equality and fairness?

Note: “Equal Division” is also somewhat of a misnomer. Often, she can get upwards of 70% – 90% of the assets, while the man gets the majority of the debts! She gets all of the benefits, he gets all of the responsibilities. This, of course, is just and right and is his reward for working so hard all of those years. He can afford it; she can’t because she was not working.

If you pamper your wife, it can be used against you

Imagine that in the spirit of generosity and kindness that you gave a beggar a hot meal. A generous act, indeed. Now imagine your reaction if that same beggar sues you in court. He is petitioning the judge to have you keep providing him with the food that you gave him willingly, freely, out of a big heart. The judge orders you to keep feeding the homeless man meals, indefinitely, forever, because he has become accustomed to eating those meals! This is categorically absurd, yet this happens to Western Men in divorce court every day. Instead of thanking you for paying her bills for all those years, what you get is the privilege of being legally forced to pay her bills forever!

After having children, many women demand to quit working and stay home. Before the kids came along, many of these same women may have been in careers they hated, working long hours, and enduring long commutes. It is the man’s generosity and dedication to his own career that enables her to walk away from her own career. During a marriage, a man with a stay-at-home wife might work long and grueling hours in order to support her. He will pay the mortgage, the property tax, grocery bill, phone bill, cable bill, Internet bill and electric bill. He also pays for her car, gas money, clothes, and vacations.

As one final slap in the face, the man may be punished for working hard enough to allow his wife to have the luxury of staying at home with the kids. As noted above, after the children are in school, the wife may enjoy a life of leisure and relaxation that is afforded to her by her man’s hard work. In the event of divorce, he will be legally obligated to support her for years or decades to come. Because she stopped working and led a life of leisure, the ex-husband is now responsible for supporting her, forever! History has a tendency of rewriting itself. Originally, a woman may have had a career that she may have hated, and was begging to leave. Western Women often “play” at work and career for a few years after University, and then when they near 30 or grow tired of the workplace they seek out a man to “take her away from all of this”, whatever “all of this” may be. In fact her desire to leave the world of work may have been her motivation to have kids in the first place. But now, in her eyes, and definitely her lawyers eyes, she “gave up” her career for her man and his kids. She is now “owed” all of her “lost income”. His gift of leisure and support to her has now become twisted and is viewed as her sacrifice! Another way in which the situation is turned against him is that he will be characterised as being threatened by her having her own career, and that he forced her to quit her “lucrative career” and stay home with the children. Her lawyer will now attempt to convince the judge that he wanted to “oppress” his wife and “keep her down”. Truthfully now, how many men do you personally know that are upset at having a wife that earns a good living? Many of these misleading stereotypes still run rampant in our society, and are routinely used to the woman’s advantage during a divorce. As a result of her not working, regardless of whether she was minding the home or not, she remains a financial liability.

Generous, caring men who spoil their wives should certainly think twice about how this generosity can later be used against them. The phrase used in divorce court is “She has become accustomed to a certain lifestyle”. A husband’s reward for spoiling his wife today is the legal obligation to spoil her indefinitely, forever. Buy her a luxury car today, and you may be obligated to buy her luxury cars after she leaves you for another man! Yet, imagine a husband that became accustomed to eating a home cooked dinner, or regular conjugal visits. Now imagine the courts obligate the ex-wife to continue cooking for him and sharing her bed with him and his new girlfriend each night, despite being divorced! Inconceivable, but it happens the other way around every day!

The ultimate insult, however, comes when the man loses half or more of his life’s assets even when she has decided to leave him. Yes, a wife can unilaterally decide to kick a man out of his own home, and have the courts force him to continue paying the bills, while she is sleeping with her new boyfriend in the very house the husband worked so long and hard to buy! She can, and often does, spend her alimony check on gifts for her new boyfriend or lover! How is it that the legal system supports a woman who feels entitled to this?

The risks are clear, yet what exactly are men getting out of marriage? Many times, the reasons men get married are unfounded.

Many of the traditional reasons why a man gets married are a myth.

“I won’t die alone”
Wrong. The simple fact is that one spouse WILL die alone. Visit the hospital and go to the terminally ill or cardiac departments. Few people have the time to sit with an ill relative all day and all night. Yes, you may get visitors, but they aren’t having the same thoughts as you are. You’re contemplating your mortality, while they’re wondering what food the hospital cafeteria offers. In the end, even with a loving and supportive family, most of us will leave this world alone, unless you both die simultaneously in an accident of some kind. Your spouse may die fifteen years before you, or you may be in the hospital for your last year. Ultimately, we all die alone. Married or not.

“I won’t grow old alone”
Not necessarily. A marriage can self-destruct at any time. Your partner may initiate divorce at age 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60, 65 or 70. Many married people end up in the same position (alone) as if they had never married at all. Now they enter their twilight years broke, as a result of being stripped of half or more of their life’s assets, losing half their retirement and pension funds, and being assessed alimony payments. Experiencing financial devastation from one divorce often may preclude a man from ever marrying again. This is a common observation of many middle-aged Western Women. Q: “Where are all the men?”. A: “He is broke from the divorce settlement, alimony and child support payments.” Thus these women don’t find him marriable, and he grows old alone and poor.

Men are led to believe that not marrying implies only one destiny; that of a solitary monk in a cave, a shunned loner. However, life is not so black and white. Not marrying does not mean you cannot continue to date or have meaningful relationships throughout your life. There are plenty of single people in all age brackets. A bad marriage can be the loneliest of institutions, because most of your emotional outlet and companionship is concentrated into one person who gives back nothing in emotion, affection or support. Young men in their 20′s and 30′s should be more aware of the alternatives that exist in life. They should be aware that marriage is a choice, and is not the only path life has to offer. An informed decision is less likely to be one that is later regretted.

“I’ll get regular sex”
Not from Modern, Western Women. Access to regular sex is the oldest and the most frequently cited reason to marry. Many men now know that Modern, Western Women frequently stop having sex after just a short time of being married. There are plenty of “sexless” marriages. Talk to a few married couples that are honest about their relationship. One or both partners may stop wanting sex after kids, or the sex may be as infrequent as once a year or once every six months, or the wife may only have sex when she wants the husband to buy her something, take her somewhere, or remodel the house. Read the honest opinions of married men on the Internet. Most Western, Married Men will have more sex with their Western Wives in the first six months of their marriage than they will in the next 40 years. Lastly, it remains to be seen whether sex with one exclusive partner for forty years or more is even a natural act, or just a man-made convention. In many Western Nations, the wife is no longer required to have sex with her husband. She can deny him at any time, for any length of time. She can, if she wishes, deny him sex forever and there is nothing that he can do about it. In fact, if he insists that she honor her end of the marriage contract by being available for sexual relations, he can and will be accused of, charged with, and arrested for Domestic Violence, Sexual Assault or Rape.

Marriage is hardly a guarantee of regular sex, as many people are led to believe.

“I’ll have someone to cook and clean for me”
Not necessarily. While a Modern, Western Woman is perfectly justified in quitting her job in the name of staying home with the kids, she can also demand that the husband pay for a cook, a maid, and a nanny. This leaves the man to earn the money, and leaves him to pay for maintenance of household and children, while the wife gets to play at being a housekeeper. Today’s woman is empowered by not performing the traditional housewife duties, regardless of whether she is working or not. If a husband asks that his wife perform traditional household duties because she is not working, he will often be labeled sexist, abusive or controlling, even if he is doing his “traditional role” of paying all the bills, providing for his family, and performing the traditional manly duties of vehicle repairs, maintaining the lawn and house upkeep.

“I have to be married to have kids”
Not anymore. Her ovaries do not physically need a contract at the government center in order to be fertilised by your sperm. Cro-Magnon man had children long before lawyers invented marriage contracts. Often, you do not need to be married in order to share health benefits. You do not need to be married to designate your partner on a life insurance policy. You do not need to be married to own a dream home together. It is ironic that responsible parents who raise a healthy family, but never actually sign marriage paperwork, get less respect than divorced parents or married parents who are ineffective, inattentive or incompetent.

-Having a lifelong, faithful, committed relationship has nothing to do with being “married”.
-Owning a beautiful dream home together has nothing to do with being “married”.
-Rearing healthy, happy, and successful children has nothing to do with being “married”.
-Building a family and life together has nothing to do with being “married”.
-Growing old together has nothing to do with being “married”.

In fact, recent changes in cohabitation, partner and marriage law have proven that the only tangible consequence of marriage is having a formalised separation process that usually requires the talents of an attorney.

You do need to be married in order to throw an extravagant four-hour party, and share the same last name.

You do need to be married in order to involve the state and government in your romantic affairs.

You do need to be married in order give away half of everything you own.

Besides that, marriage does nothing more than introduce lawyers and social workers into your life. These are people that otherwise would have nothing to do with your life or your relationship.

Men need to stop and ask themselves:

“Why exactly am I getting married? What exactly does marriage mean to me in today’s world? What is the benefit to me to get married?”

It is no longer a lifelong commitment, because it can be reversed overnight on her unilateral whim.

Marriage was originally created as a way for families to merge land, property, political power and influence; perhaps people should return to viewing it as just that and nothing more. The rest of it is fake modern TV Fantasy and Tabloid Gossip and Hype polluting the minds of today’s impressionable youth, and a way to keep the multi-billion-per-year wedding industry chugging along. Perhaps the only criteria should be to ask oneself: “How excited am I for us to merge our finances and assets?” When all the fluff and hype are boiled away, that may be the only remaining reality. Spend a day in divorce court, and you’ll see exactly what is real and tangible and lasting about marriage. You’ll see women who signed the marriage contract under romantic pretenses who are now expert laymen attorneys who can cite case law. Bouquet throwing ex-brides now embroiled in warfare to get everything that is coming to them and more! The rest are myths, lies, bold unsubstantiated promises, and maybes. “For better or for worse…”

The Western Divorce rate is 43%. It is higher in some parts of the world such as California, Great Britain and Australia. In Japan the recent change in pension law may have many pensioners out on the street. In India new changes to dowry law have men being threatened by their wives. Consider the number of people who are in a bad marriage, but elect to stay; Men who don’t want to lose 50%, women who know they can’t support themselves alone. Next, think of how many more couples stay together just for the sake of the kids. Of these “forced marriages”, consider how many of these marriages involve infidelity, no sex, or sleeping in separate beds or separate rooms. I estimate the percentage of happy and monogamous marriages to be under 5%. Are these odds you would take in a business venture, investment or loan? Most of the risk-averse population would not. Yet they seek this exception to the rule everyday through marriage.

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  1. Yeah,, This is REALLY ‘Unusual”!!!!

    Man spends year in jail on false rape claim (Cape Cod Times)

    BARNSTABLE — A man held in jail for nearly a year based on accusations he raped and assaulted his wife was released Wednesday after her testimony was called into question and she was taken into custody on possible perjury charges.

    In March 2011, Francisca DeOliveira, 46, claimed her husband, Jesus Figueroa, 40, had raped and assaulted her. Figueroa was ordered held without bail because of a probation violation and indicted in May in Barnstable Superior Court on charges of rape, assault and battery with a dangerous weapon, and threatening to commit a crime.

    Figueroa, who is from Puerto Rico, was ordered held on $12,500 bail, which he never posted, his defense attorney, Peter Aspesi, said.

    “From the day I met him, he said he was innocent,” Aspesi said.

    Figueroa told Aspesi that his wife, who is from Brazil, was upset because he wanted a divorce, and she was worried about her immigration status, Aspesi said.

    There was no physical evidence of an assault, such as ligature marks, despite the accusation that Figueroa wrapped a chord around her neck, Aspesi said.

    A jury was selected in the case Monday, and DeOliveira testified Tuesday but could not keep her story straight, Aspesi said.

    The timeline she provided was inconsistent, and she said things that she had stated differently in the past, he said.

    “I can tell you that during the course of the trial some issues of credibility arose relative to one of the witnesses,” Cape and Islands Assistant District Attorney Lisa Edmonds said Wednesday.

    Edmonds brought concerns about DeOliveira’s credibility to the attention of the court and a hearing was held Wednesday in Barnstable Superior Court.

    State law allows the court to take people into custody who appear to have committed perjury on the stand so they can later be required to appear to face potential charges.

    The problems with DeOliveira’s credibility forced the district attorney’s office to drop the charges against Figueroa, Edmonds said.

    Judge Gary Nickerson ordered DeOliveira held on $500 cash bail, which she later posted. Figueroa was released from custody, Aspesi said.

    DeOliveira’s court-appointed attorney, Ruth McLaughlin, did not return a message seeking comment for this story.

    Edmonds and the district attorney’s office deserve a great deal of credit for handling the case as they did, Aspesi said.

    “They could have ignored it and not done anything about it,” Aspesi said, adding that he has never seen an alleged victim taken into custody before.

    False accusations such as those alleged in this case are a drain on a system intended to assist legitimate victims, he said.

    “I would say it’s unusual,” Edmonds said about Wednesday’s turn of events, adding that the district attorney’s office will evaluate the facts before proceeding with potential charges against DeOliveira.

    Staff writer Steve Doane contributed to this story.

    http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130131/NEWS/301310330/-1/NEWS11

    masscentral

    January 31, 2013 at 9:57 am

  2. Single Mothers Aren’t the Problem Today, Absent Fathers Are.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cara-lemieux/single-mothers-arent-the-problem_b_2537164.html?utm_hp_ref=daily-brief?utm_source=DailyBrief&utm_campaign=013113&utm_medium=email&utm_content=BlogEntry&utm_term=Daily%20Brief

    When I got pregnant, I knew very early on that my child was going to be raised in a single-mother household. As most of you may know, statistics show that children raised by single mothers (rich or poor, educated or not) typically have lower grades and are at higher risk of becoming pregnant at an early age, doing drugs and all of the other things we don’t want our children doing. And mom isn’t much better off either — the wage gap is even greater for single mothers than it is for married mothers, and much greater than it is for single women.

    So, in an effort to avoid becoming a self-fulfillng prophecy, I decided to deliberately avoid reading anything related to those statistics while I was pregnant and single. I had to, or I think I would have lost my mind.

    However, while the personal part of me is a single mom, the professional part of me is a news producer — which makes it virtually impossible to avoid seeing headlines for extended periods of time (or even short periods of time). And its not just reading headlines — it’s hearing commentary and rhetoric around the label “single mother” that is both unavoidable and irritating. But there have been a couple headlines that I have come across recently that, well, really pissed me off.

    New York Post: Finally! City To Tackle Un-Wed Mom Epidemic

    The Huffington Post: Single Mothers Are to Blame for Sons Poor Grades? Our Readers Weigh In

    Now. before I get into the reasons why I find these headlines so upsetting, I want to get a few things straight. Do I think it that in most cases, it is preferable to raise children in a two-parent-household? Yes. Actually, I think it would be even better to raise children in a four- or six-parent-household.

    Raising children is difficult; it truly takes a village, and doing what I do as a single mother every day can be really difficult. No amount of burying my head in the sand will change that fact. Which is why I have done and continue to do everything in my power to build upon my village (and thank those who help me out every chance I get) so that I can plug in the holes left by a missing father.

    Oh wait — did we all forget how most moms (referenced in these articles) become single moms? Right, at one point there was a man… and then there wasn’t. But for some reason (which infuriates me), the headlines don’t typically frame the story that way.

    And just because women are the ones who physically carry the child, doesn’t mean we are getting pregnant without the active participation of a male. (Yes, I know there are women that decide to deliberately have children on their own — but that is not what these articles or I am talking about.)

    I can’t help but think that the way we frame single motherhood and neglect to mention absent fathers is one of the most extreme forms of gender discrimination that exists today. And because of it, not only is mom typically left to pick up the pieces of the broken home and figure out how to put a life together for herself and her child(ren), the pressure of that is compounded by the extremely negative connotation associated with being a single mother. And, in my opinion, that negativity can be as harmful as poverty and lack of resources.

    And because the dialogue about single motherhood is framed in this way, single moms get hit with a triple whammy. Society hands them all of the blame for the situation their families are in while they shoulder the responsibility of raising these children alone, and at the same time, they are cited as a main reasons our society is going to hell in a handbasket. But very few seem to be focused on the male’s role in all of this. And that needs to change.

    Perhaps, if we shifted our focus and held men more accountable for their roles in creating these single mother households, then we would begin to be able to figure out how to prompt a positive change in society. Until then, we are just adding one more thing for the single mother to worry about — seeing herself unfairly demonized in another headline.

    Now, I am not saying that women should be dismissed of the responsibility. What I am saying is if we really want to change the statistics, we need to start talking to the party that is abandoning their responsibilities — not to the party that is doing everything in their power to live up to theirs.

    This post originally appeared on LifetimeMoms.com.

    Read more from LifetimeMoms.com:
    Why I Won’t Tell My Daughter That She Can Do Anything Boys Can Do
    Just Because He Doesn’t Look Like Me, Doesn’t Mean I’m Not His Real Mom
    I Finally Found True Love…
    Not Reading Parenting Books Has Made Me a Better Parent

    Follow Cara Lemieux on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/caraplemieux

    masscentral

    January 31, 2013 at 10:10 am

    • Counterpoint: Cara, you make a good point, but it’s fundamentally the woman’s fault. Women control relationships. How many times have you had to ask 10 men out for dinner before one said yes? How many times have you had to pay for said dinners and then thousands of dollars later, you find a nice man. At that point you spend every waking moment and thousands of dollars trying to keep him happy. What a joke. Welcome to a man’s world. Women don’t have to work for relationships or sex. Men simply try to keep their gene pool alive by getting women pregnant. Unless he agrees to be responsible, you’re silly for letting it happen. Women are “equals” now. Women have “free will”. Women can have sex with whomever, or whatever :) they wish. So…. unless a women signs a prenup or presex agreement with a man it’s her fault. Don’t have sex without making the man “man up”. Your grandma knew this, and her grandma knew it too. And heaven forbid a man does “man up”. Read the previous article….. he’s punished and persecuted until the kids turn 18. The old folks had it right. No sex until marriage or it’s your fault for the consequences. Sorry to sound harsh, but it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to spot the deadbeats, then the good guys get stuck with the bills.

      Sean Reynolds

      January 31, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    • What a crock of unsubstantiated bullshit! Cara paints a picture of women who are apparently FORCED to have unprotected sex with a no good man, FORCED to carry a baby to full term regardless of the forseen statistics and consequences and FORCED to struggle and raise her child in a broken home, forever shunned by society and burdened with the opressed, feminist fed propaganda and “single mom” title. FUCK OFF, Cara!

      When most of these single women in these fabricated studies and surveys wer in thier prime, ie 20′s, tight body, in college…these bitches were not interested in a responsible man, making money and getting his shit together, NOPE< they wanted to party, drink, do drugs, chase the bad boys around, and opt to dress like ho's and get fucked by complete strangers from the club every weekend.

      IS IT THAT SHOCKING that the stupid bitch ends up pregnant with no man in sight to help raise the baby, when the MEN she CHOSE to sleep with ae complete ASSHOLES? SEAN makes a great point, which I will reiterate….

      "WOMEN HAVE THE POWER OF CHOICE". Period. For the girls who refused to date the average looking nice guy, with money in his pocket, a car and his own place, these girls were busy spreading their twats open for the thug and bad boy cocks, without any reservation about birth control, long term relationship potential or std. Disgusting. WE ALL MAKE choices, such as if I decide to fuck and knock up a fat ugly bitch, i better expect to be an unhappy miserable prick with a fat ass bitch and baby I dont want! Simple. It's MY fault, I chose not to wrap the dick, i chose to screw the beast and I didn't care about the statistical probablity that when the day comes, I wont stand to even look at the nasty bitch, let alone be stuck with payijng child support because I was too fucking irresposible.

      BITCHES want to point the finger and blame us men for their problems, "men are no good, men are shit, my baby daddy aint shit, fuck men!" "I want my alimony, I want my child support, this loser left me and my baby in the cold" NOW< if you bitches KNEW, and you did KNOW, you just didnt care, that your MAN was a piece of SHIT when you met him, WHY the FUCK did you allow yourself to get pregnant…KNOWING he was gonna leave your HO ass??? YOU BITCHES DO THAT SHIT to yourselves! YOU want to be wild and carefree, party and get fucked, leaving the guys actually worth shit at home by themselves on the weekend, BUT IRONICALLY, its the nice, responsible, family man/guy you seek after your prime years are over, your pussy is stretched, you have 3 kids and living on welfare and food stamps.

      Case in point, ladies…. Keep your fucking legs closed! Be selective about who you fuck. Come to terms that if you take a thug or bad boy dick, refuse birth control and let him cum all inside your deseased twat, your gonna get pregnant and HE WILL LEAVE. YOUO ARE A Piece of ass, nothing more. Maybe try sucking a nice guys dick, you know, the one with the job who can take you out to eat, or pick you up from the bus stop. Good fucking grief, instead of bashing men and crying about how WE MEN cause single parent households and bastard children, consider the behavior of a trifling ass female and what consequences that may bring. No bitch has ANY excuse to get pregnant, with all the birth control methods and shit. I firmly believe that a woman gets pregnant when SHE wants to. If you lay with DOGS, expect to be treated like one. Try fucking a responsible man, the nerd you passed over that wants a family and shit, and you may find some long term happiness and foundation for kids and shit. Stupid bitches never learn.

      Maleview

      February 1, 2013 at 1:37 pm

      • I am wondering, do you get paid by the swear word? Wow. Case in point, sir…..talking like that is only going to land you a “ho”.

        Nicole Rommel

        February 15, 2013 at 12:52 pm

        • And that “Hoe” Is my friend Nicole Rommel, Between are you sure that majority of women DONT SWEAR?

          Gamerp4

          February 15, 2013 at 2:54 pm

          • What? That comment made it sound like you aren’t Nicole’s friend at all?
            Gosh, I am so confused right now.

            Renton

            February 17, 2013 at 4:44 am

      • TL; DR

        Renton

        February 17, 2013 at 4:45 am

      • You certainly sound like a “nice, responsible guy” and not someone with anger issues.
        From the paragraph above it is obvious that you are just TOO nice for women to go out with.
        I guess that’s why those hot girls fucked those other guys and not you.

        Gamerp4

        February 17, 2013 at 5:01 am

        • Lolz, Well using my name and my Gravatar does makes you a paranoid stalker but oh well whatever! Gamerp4 is already under the feminist radar so it doesn’t matter keep using it i don’t mind. And between I am Off of this website for good, Everybody that visit this site can now take record of whatever is written here, because it doesn’t matter if Gamerp4 is here or not but HIS comments will stay here and will not change, so Holla Feminists :D .

          Gamerp4

          February 18, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    • Cara, why do you have sex with hot good looking, popular, charming alpha males who are so less likely to committ? You probably wouldnt have had a fling and unprotected sex with an average looking, less exciting guy who wouldve been a lot more likely to stay around when you got pregnant.

      Tim

      February 20, 2013 at 8:39 am

    • The vast majority of men dont need to feel any sympathy for single mothers, because the vast majority of men arent banging them and getting them pregnant.

      Herschele

      February 20, 2013 at 10:12 am

    • You said that men should be blamed for leaving the women and creating single mothers. You make a good point, but women decide who they want to be in relationships with and have sex with. I never see the woman being blamed for having a child with someone who would be an unsuitable father.

      Matt

      May 21, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    • you’re a typical idiot woman blaming everyone else but yourself.

      Anonymous

      May 30, 2013 at 4:44 pm

      • And lets not talk about alimony!!….Women have access to birth control…she chooses to take it or not…she chooses to go out with the guy…she chooses to open her legs for the guy…she chooses to accept the fact that he is not wearing a condom…she chooses to keep the child and not take RU486 or have an abortion. She demands the right to do whatever she wants with the unborn child…yet when the child is born she wants the man to support her is raising the child even though the man has said all along that he does not want the child. At ever stage of the process the female has been able to stop the pregnancy…she has been in control…she makes the decisions….the man has no say in the final decision yet he has to pay for the next 18 years. How fair is that!!!

        mens rights

        June 9, 2013 at 4:18 pm

  3. http://boards.weddingbee.com/topic/opinions-please-what-do-you-think-of-destination-weddings

    A question for the hive: I am having a destination wedding and wanted to get some opinions: what do you think of them? Recently I posed the same question to another web-board and was surprised at the many negative responses I received, most along the lines of: “Destination weddings are selfish and a major pain in the ass for guests ” Other comments included: “Destination weddings reek of social climbing/status seeking” Whoa! I had no idea this subject inspired such excitement! Anyone care to weigh in? Don’t hold back, I can take it! Wink

    masscentral

    February 1, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    • I didn’t have a destination wedding. We had 21 people at our church wedding. The reception was in a French restaurant. We didn’t spend much money, and 3 years later, I put down $100k (yes, that’s right) down payment down on our house. The French restaurant was a BYOB, too. My dress was a David’s Bridal leftover for $300 (small size, the fatties couldn’t fit into it). But we have a nice, pretty home and money in the bank. That is MUCH more valuable to me than some fancy schmancy destination wedding. It’s a one day party, that’s all.

      WhoKnew

      February 1, 2013 at 3:59 pm

  4. western women are a joke end of story in global world when the chips will turn th economies will fall most of this people that have been papmpered will see the reality this are just asswipes retarded betas with nothing going in life, pampered the society of western world is not able to keep up for wht they offer economies crumbling and more people rasied pampared. LIke their hunchback mentality that promotes a derranged feminims most of this people pampered by yesterday welath will eat their own sh very soon world is becoming more competitive.

    truth in 20 years

    February 27, 2013 at 2:48 am

  5. Most of west lives in borrowed times and the society is hunchback went from one extreme to the others, all this so called empowerd women have nthing on chinese or the others this people are waste they complain consnatly are idiots and cannot compete with chinese or indian womenor asian.Time will soon come for every asshole and idot living in the 60s when they will eat their own shit.

    truth in 20 years

    February 27, 2013 at 2:53 am

  6. Im of the view that monogamy/marriage is something that was originally meant to protect male interests rather than women. Monogamy/marriage overcomes the ‘mating coordination problem’

    In the absense of a societal emphasis on marriage, it will be men who would struggle to find mates. All women and attractive men would be able to have open, fluid, casual relationships, No strings attached sex, flings, Friends with benefits and a variety of other arrangements. But for the majority of men pursuing one woman for a committed long term relationship is the only way to hope to have a sex life.

    Most men dont get the opportunity to be promiscuous. Most men dont have the looks, charm to attract women based on their sexuality alone. Women are more selective and find fewer men sexually desirable.

    A society that promotes monogamy and marriage, provides men with an opportunity to secure a partner. It provides men an opportunitt to be relevent to women in different ways. It also ensures that attractive men pair off and are taken out of the market early by attractive women who are their equals; leaving the less attractive women no choice but to consider men who are THEIR equals; rather than keep chasing and having sex with high quality men which is the natural prerogative of women.

    This is not the ideal scenario for men. We arent naturally monogamous. Neither its something I personally am fond of..I abhor marriage and monogamy myself. But I fear that in a society where monogamy and marriage goes out of favor, men would be the overall losers. More men would be lonely and sexless than women.

    Tim

    February 27, 2013 at 4:26 am

    • I don’t follow your logic, Women are always going after losers and complaining they are the one who got screwed in the end. It’s not always the most attractive men who can attract women, they also go after money, power and what kind of profession you’re in. I find they are mainly are after money so they can lounge around their whole lives. I think that a society where mongamy and marriage goes out of favor, all men would benefit. They would be rid of having to pay anytime their women turns out to be a bitch and they need to get out of that relationship and find someone else. I really need that to happen fast so I can get rid of who I’m stuck with now.

      Anonymous

      February 27, 2013 at 12:04 pm

      • A (hypothetical) world where monogamy and marriage has gone out of favor, would ALSO be a world where women are financially self-sufficient and don’t require men to support them or help them raise kids. In such a world women would be free to choose men out of desire alone, rather than necessity.

        And when women choose men out of desire, only few men would be chosen because women deem very few men sexually/physically desirable.

        Power, money, profession, security etc; these are all props that men utilize in order to be relevant to women so they can be chosen by women. These are all props that men supplement themselves with in order to be acceptable to women. These props would be worthless to women in that hypothetical world.

        Yes, despite what I’ve said, monogamy/marriage sucks for most men. But it is the only available option to most men who are not truly sexually/physically desirable to women. If men could obtain sex as easily as the common female, much much fewer men would be willing to commit. Sex and physical intimacy is the biggest incentive for most men to get married.

        Tim

        February 27, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    • Tim PLEASE PLEASE check out my blog. The thing you describe is not hypothetical, it exist. In Jamaica there are communities without committed relationships between the sexes and this is exactly the case. Marriage was not really invented; but it benefits beta males just as much as it benefits beta females. You are totally right. PLEASE read my blog and let me know what you think!

      mamaziller

      June 5, 2013 at 6:55 am

  7. Maybe it’s not a choice for these so-called “men” to not get married. Maybe they are such lowly, sexist, PIGS that no woman would actually want to marry them.

    And if you have to be so demeaning to women as to write this essay, well, you probably have many insecurities and feel bad about yourself. You have probably have felt intimidated by women your whole life, not that they meant to feel intimidating, you just have such low self-esteem that you felt that way. Subsequently, after years of making yourself feel this way, you have become an asshole to women. And yes, strong, independent women don’t like to be mistreated. Because men and women are EQUALS. We are capable of anything that a man is capable of.

    So guess what? Even if you decided to get married, you wouldn’t be worth it anyways. Anyone who agrees with the bullshit essay on this page isn’t worth a woman loving.

    M

    March 5, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    • Let me guess, bitter because you had to spend yet another Valentine’s Day all alone, crying on the couch while eating bonbons and watching reruns of Sex in the City? The reason I ask is because attempts to serve up such a smorgasbord of shaming language are the most obvious sign of a sour grapes attitude and you weren’t the first, nor will you be the last to think we don’t see through you.

      You want us to feel sorry for you? You want to whine about women being mistreated? Well guess what? Men don’t like that shit either! Anyone who agrees with your rant (and I have a hunch you’ve already posted here a lot before, sockpuppet) isn’t worth a man loving either. So deal with it.

      Little Big Dave

      March 5, 2013 at 3:30 pm

      • Actually no I’ve been in a wonderful relationship for a few years with a real man who respects me. Just because you spent Valentine’s day (wait no… every day) wanking off while you wished that you somehow knew how to score with anything other than your right hand, doesn’t mean that I did anything of the like.

        And, please, give me one legitimate reason why your shaming is any better than my retaliation against this immature, outdated website?

        Only a man insecure about his masculinity would agree with the views of this website. I know that for sure.

        And I didn’t say that men deserve to be mistreated, I just said that this website is bullshit.

        You are a revolting excuse for a human being, nothing more. Your views stem from everything that is wrong with the human race. I can’t even fathom how people still hold the views demonstrated here.

        You’re probably a fat fuck who never gets laid, and the smell coming from your own unkempt sweaty fat flaps is getting the best of you.

        This whole website is disgusting. I’ve seen the Facebook profiles of a few fat men on here who work dead-end jobs. You don’t have any money for women to go after anyways. Get over yourselves.

        You all disgust me.

        M

        March 5, 2013 at 7:26 pm

        • LOL must have been ice cream instead of bonbons. My bad!

          Yup, it’s you again, should have known. Hey I only gave you a dose of shaming language to see how well you like the same treatment you’re giving everyone here. I seriously doubt with your attitude you really have the fairy tale marriage you describe. Good marriages require much more compassion and you don’t exactly show much of a propensity towards it yourself.

          Well hey, I’m sure you’re quite the STD-ridden smelly skank yourself, so feel free to let the door hit you in the ass on your way out. By the way, you’re not fooling anyone. We know you’re the same fem bitch who keeps showing up periodically to try to guilt everyone in here into some kind of crying reaction like “PLEEEEASE DON’T hurt me no morez mistress purfekt! We’ll be gud liddle boiz we promisses!”

          And how’s that working for you anyway?

          Little Big Dave

          March 5, 2013 at 10:56 pm

          • I just found this website yesterday.

            M

            March 6, 2013 at 1:33 pm

            • Even if that’s true, which I doubt, how exactly did you come to find it? And what made you think your approach was going to make any kind of positive difference? It’s like going to a site where everyone hates spinach and telling everyone “You don’t DESERVE spinach!”

              Do you really fail to see the idiocy in that?

              Then you try to brag about what a trophy catch of a wife you are, but here’s where THAT fails: In general women tend to treat every man they meet with the same level of respect they would give their husbands. From the venomous crap you spewed here, it would look like giving any man respect who disagrees with you is a foreign concept to you.

              Can’t agree on where you want to o on vacation? Well it’s because he’s a worthless fat loser sexist pig who doesn’t deserve you, right? Then you wonder why so many men say “no, thanks” to the whole notion of marriage!

              Also, if you’re so happily involved in such a perfect marriage to the ultimate Prince Charming, why even waste any time trying to market yourself here with your angry, bitter NAWALT argument?

              Your story is fuller of holes than a sponge and doesn’t hold anywhere near as much water, toots!

              Little Big Dave

              March 6, 2013 at 1:51 pm

              • I’m kind of starting to think that this website is a literal joke. The way you lump all women into one stereotype. I’m done.

                I’m too busy working on my master’s degree to be occupying my time with this.

                Also I’m not married, but I will be someday, just not to an asshole like you.

                And I don’t really give that much of a fuck if someone disagrees with where to go on vacation. Maybe the people you associate yourself are just as self-absorbed as you are, but I’m not.

                So peace, bitches.

                M

                March 6, 2013 at 3:42 pm

                • Bitches? Pot, meet kettle….

                  Little Big Dave

                  March 6, 2013 at 3:51 pm

                • Wow! Did this diatribe ever set off my bullshit detector! Let’s see what happens when we break it down and run it through the bullshit translator:

                  “I’m kind of starting to think that this website is a literal joke. The way you lump all women into one stereotype. I’m done.” – in other words: Damn! You figured me out to a T! Better accuse you of stereotyping all women based on what you said about me. That way, hopefully the politically incorrect stigma I slap on you will blind enough people to he truth you pointed out about me that I can still get away with my shit!

                  “I’m too busy working on my master’s degree to be occupying my time with this.” – Or in other words: “Hey, lookit ME!! I’m in college studying women’s studies! That means I’m better than you! Please find me attractive? PLEASE?!?”

                  “Also I’m not married, but I will be someday, just not to an asshole like you.” – Not to worry, cunt, I know you won’t. It should be obvious from my responses that I am keen to your bullshit. The question is, just what kind of asshole WILL you end up married to? Most likely an extremely brainwashed retard of a mangina. He would HAVE to be. But that’s why you’re here, isn’t it? You’re probably stringing along some poor hapless sucker and you wanna be sure once you’ve cast him aside and demanded his lifelong tribute that there will be more you can bleed for life like the vampire cunt that you are.

                  “And I don’t really give that much of a fuck if someone disagrees with where to go on vacation. Maybe the people you associate yourself are just as self-absorbed as you are, but I’m not.” Here goes: “By self-absorbed, I am yet again projecting one of my nastier faults onto you to make it look like you’re the one who started bullying me first. Also I didn’t like the valid point you made about how tyrannical I am to those who disagree with me, so I will nit pick at the fictitious example you gave in hopes that it will help me save face.”

                  So peace, bitches. – Obviously more projecting. Bye bye now, cunt!

                  Little Big Dave

                  March 6, 2013 at 7:31 pm

                • M,

                  You are the literal joke. For your information, retard, this site is more about reality than anything else. It’s about the actual, sorry state of marriage we have today and how women have bastardized and ruined it.

                  Unfortunately, it is quite appropriate to lump all women into one category, since they all do the same thing. Women have sucessfully destroyed the institution of marriage. It just doesn’t work for a man who simply wants to love one woman for the rest of his life and care for…NOT provide for…her and make a family with her. Women take advantage of the situation and ruin men like us. So, it serves them right, if a woman wants to get married, don’t be surprise to see men running the other way. This stupid, woman controlled system has created probably millions of men like me who are stuck in a marriage where the woman has decided not to do as she promised when she got married, gain 200 lbs, become a terrible, sociopathic mother and leave her husband sexless, paying all the bills, living in a messy, disgusting home (that when he bought it was sparking clean) and totally frustrated, then divorcing his ass and taking all the money you haven’t previously squandered. That folks is today’s American woman. You want to get married to her…nope!! The wise choice is not to get married and leave her when she starts all of this crap.

                  So you want to get married some day do you? That’s not surprising. You’re probably just like all other vile bitches out there who want to get in on the game of marrying then wrecking men who only want to care for you, taking advantage fully of all the stupidity of divorce laws that cheat men out of their assets. Truth is, you aren’t capable of loving something or someone…or even liking. You are too ready to spread your acidic bile all over everything. I feel bad for this “real man” you say you are in a “relationship” with. It’s just a matter of time before he sees through to what you really are and starts running. I wonder what lies you told him to get him to want to be with you.

                  Working on a master’s degree are you? I wonder what your academic advisor would say if he read all the crap you wrote on here. Hopefully that would be grounds for kicking your sorry ass out of whatever program you say you are in.

                  Anonymous

                  March 7, 2013 at 8:12 am

        • fat fuck who never gets laid, and the smell coming from your own unkempt sweaty fat flaps is getting the best of you

          Women who are fat and mediocre in every aspect still get laid left and right.

          Herschele

          March 6, 2013 at 2:21 am

          • What is the point you are trying to make?

            That left and right, men choose to sleep with women who are “fat and mediocre,” by your own definition of fate and mediocre?

            M

            March 6, 2013 at 1:30 pm

        • You don’t address or refute any point. All you do is fling crap. Victim blaming, as the feminists call it.

          Actually, your response is pretty pathological. You benefit from the status quo, including and especially the fiction about women as helpless, faultless, uber-victim, you don’t have anything factual or productive to state, so your response is to shit on everyone here for having a valid complaint.

          Having lived with a real sociopath, your response mirrors theirs pretty well. When called on your crap, you come out with the most vile invective possible. The helpless victim role didn’t work out, beguiling didn’t work, you have no venue to intimidate or level a threat, so you come out on the attack to discredit and change the focus, because if the focus is on your behavior, you have no defense or justification.

          Personally, I don’t care about you or your family life, one way or the other. If you personally identify with the observations and analysis of the original poster, and it stings, too damn bad. Sooner or later, you’re going to be faced with it – your brother, your husband, your son – one or all of them are going to face this misandric culture and abusive system of family law. I doubt, like most psychopaths, that you can scrape together enough empathy to see beyond your own situation and prejudice.

          I care about our culture, family law, and reciprocity. Equality before the law, not some bizarre system of handicapping like that which we have now.

          Gentlemen, I present The Shrew. This is what she thinks of you, weather she vocalizes it or not. If you’re of no use for her, if you’re not willing to lay your life down for the feminist cause and prove your utility and disposability, if you stray from the cult of the golden uterus, you deserve plagues and excommunication from acceptable society. You have her contempt and scorn, and she laughs at your plight, claiming it justice for your annoying existence. This is female compassion at it’s finest, and this is why we want none of it.

          Wayne

          March 6, 2013 at 6:07 pm

          • Shrew is much nicer than what I would call her. I’d say she’s a typical first class cunt.

            Little Big Dave

            March 6, 2013 at 7:09 pm

        • {You don’t have any money for women to go after anyways. Get over yourselves} I guess I hit my last reply right on the nail huh?.Yes MONEY is what makes a woman tick period!! You get over yourself you Gold digging whore you are the disgusting one! Then you wonder why men on here believe as they do? You wonder why men will not a pay a dam dime to women like you!!?? You have just shown a perfect example to as why!

          runb4itstolate

          March 7, 2013 at 9:19 am

        • Maybe you should honestly reveal to this wonderful man that respects you, who you were before he met you. Tell him how many guys you dated and had one night stands with before him. Women never reveal those truths because it’s not a man’s business. (bull bull). He respects the woman that you created to stroke his ego. I feel very sorry for the wonderful man. He probably tells you it doesn’t matter to him who you were before he met you. Let him know that there’s a caboose on every train and he’s the one.

          MB

          April 20, 2013 at 12:33 am

        •     Daniel here. By dishing out insults you’re only feeding hate. The essay, although perhaps angry is actually true. I grew up in an abusive environment so I’m well qualified to judge. I grew up with critical parents, but it was my mother who dealt the most hurtful blows. I have won several awards in science and technology and patented my first invention at 18. All this despite my mother telling me I couldn’t!   Has it dawned on you that men are waking up and saying enough’s enough? I was born in 1970 and I know for a fact that (most) our mothers are post-feminist man bashers.   My best friend is a woman and women have actually been more supportive towards me as an inventor, than have men. Having said that, women do cry victim more than men do.   It’s human nature to jump on the bandwagon, regardless of sex but the dynamics of post-feminist culture in the West is certainly feeding this temptation in women. Also I resent the slurs against fat men with dead-end jobs. I was ripped off because I couldn’t afford to patent my invention. A few others I watched being taken from me, as again I didn’t have the spare $60,000 in patent fees spare. I now work a ‘dead-end’ job to fund myself!   I don’t plan on staying poor and with my past ab8use, I’d almost be justified in leveling vengence on those who wronged me. Therefore, everyday I forgive and work hard is a day I can be proud of and a day they are spared their Karma.

          Daniel Tzabary

          June 13, 2013 at 11:39 am

          • By the way, my comment was directed at the woman titled M.

            Daniel Tzabary

            June 13, 2013 at 11:59 am

    • {Maybe it’s not a choice for these so-called “men” to not get married. Maybe they are such lowly, sexist, PIGS that no woman would actually want to marry them.} Did you ever think men have a choice? what do you find so hard to believe about that? Maybe men can make choices of there own without a woman governing them? Especially types of women who when confronted likes to use shamming tactics and call names against men! Especially women who all think they have BA’s in psychology to spew a bunch of stuff that they really has no clue on but it just sounds good to them because in reality they cannot come up with anything to refute the argument!!..
      Many Men do not want to be with a feminist man hater that only seeks a man to be her pet and not to ask questions!..Many men do not want to be disposable and thrown out just because the woman decides to move on to a better pet! Then once she does he losses everything!! Some men on here have already gone through this several times!. So who the “F” do you think you are coming here and saying {Maybe they are such lowly, sexist, PIGS that no woman would actually want to marry them.} When these men are writing opinions about what they have already gone through? With the amount of men who have written here about these issues with women who would you deem are the real pigs?
      “We are capable of anything that a man is capable of.” Oh really? those words can be thrown out the minute you need a couch moved to the second floor! take away all the brainwashed white knights,the manginas,and man pets and you would be in some serious doggy doo.
      Equality? you cannot have equality having laws that are geared for women only and having women that are more controlling then a puppeteer marching around thinking they are Gods gift to men that In all reality most women toady are no different then hookers except more long term being the male still pays out for her services! With that what you will get is more men going there own way and turning a blind eye to these so called women!
      {So guess what? Even if you decided to get married, you wouldn’t be worth it anyways. Anyone who agrees with the bullshit essay on this page isn’t worth a woman loving.} Yes! men here know the feminist logic that if a male refuses to bow down to women and agrees to something other then your feminism crap that he will not get a loving woman. But in reality women do not love for the sake of love anymore they haven’t for at least 2 generations if not more. Women love money and materialist things that is why I can bet that dream pet you call a guy would be ditched if he ever lost his job! Yes men are just toys to women so who do you think the real “lowly, sexist, PIGS” are? Get a clue!

      runb4itstolate

      March 7, 2013 at 9:13 am

    • “”Because men and women are EQUALS. We are capable of anything that a man is capable of.”"…………

      Are you in the real world?……..Men and women are not equal…never have been….and never will be…and you are not capable of anything a man can do. Go into a gym,do you see women doing reps on the bench press with 300lbs?…..NO!…..how about the squat rack?…..NO!…..When is the last time you have seen “wimminz” being inducted into the ranks of La Cosa Nostra(Sicilian Mafia)?…..Never!….there ain’t no such animal!…..How about the Hells Angels?….Never!…and there never will be! So as far as I am concerned these unequal opportunity employers are much smarter than the government! That would be the one big plus about joining groups like this……..you don’t have to work with wimminz!…….UGH!

      Mark

      March 22, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    • it’s damn funny you said that. Like when women piss and moan about equality until it is something she doesn’t want to do, than she pisses and moans that she’s a woman. Than you say how dare you make a woman do that or treat a woman like that. You woman, don’t understand the potential problems that probably will happen to men in a marriage. EVERYTHING THIS ARTICLE SAID WAS 100% ACCURATE. Women are twice as evil as men, greedy, people that in all reality deep down hate men, patriarchy which women HATE, until it benefits them of course. Men and women are equals you say, BULLSHITT and you damn well know it.

      Anonymous

      May 30, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    • Get a grip….you stunned cunt!

      These techniques are worth avoiding —The “How to Divorce a Male” Formulas

      II don’t advocate any of these, but these are the tricks that I have studied about, heard about, or read about that women use to succeed in divorce.

      These are some techniques females have used to seperate themselves from their spouses which work to destroy the male and create a better standard of living for the female. It is explained as instructions so that it is the easiest to follow.

      1. Once you are sure that you want to divorce a male, have an affair… the anger from the affair may push him out of the marriage, or may make him hit you. If he hits you, the female, you have hit divorce court gold, because now you can get sole custody of the children.

      2. if he doesn’t hit you, convince him that he has some sort of mental problem, like ADD, manic-depressive disorder, depression, or some other mental problem. Make sure that he gets himself diagnosed. Once diagnosed you can use this diagnosis against him in court. “You can’t trust him around the children … he has pscychological problems.”

      3. Even if he doesn’t hit you, call the police and then hit him in the head with a toaster. Yell, shout, and scream and tell them that you hit him in the head as a form of self defense, because he was hittin you. This will convince the police and they will arrest him. Again this will help you get sole custody of the children.

      4. You want to get sole custody of the children because then you can keep the house, the car, and can get half of his money, and half of his pension. It’s beautiful.

      5. Once you have sole custody of the children, don’t ask him for child support, but tell him that he can just pay you cash. Once he pays for a few months, then turn him in for child support and he’ll have to pay you for back child support that he already paid. By doing this you can send him to jail if he is just three months behind, and once you find a way to get him in jail for six months, he will most likely be in and out of jail for the rest of his life. So you won the “Male vs Female” battle by being able to put one male in jail forever.

      6. Another way to get rid of him, even a way to get him killed, is to pretend to spend all of his money but to actually put it in a storage unit or a safety deposit box. Once you have done this for a few years and he is in debt, convince him that it is a good idea to join the military, and convince him to take jobs that have the highest signing bonuses because they are the most dangerous. Once he agrees and is in boot camp, you can file for divorce, child support, and everything without fearing any action from him because he can’t leave boot camp. You can empty the house, drain the bank accounts, and he has no power or ability to do anything because boot camp is like prison. He has no ability to stop it or fight back. Then move. If he doesn’t know where you moved to… he can’t find you then, but you can still get child support off of him by filing through the state and submitting his military information. Then once he is in the military, he has a very good chance of being killed or injured and so then he is no problem to you anymore. This is called “recruitment divorce.”

      7. Another way to gain extreme control over your marriage is by kicking his testicles as much as you want because people associate “kicked testicles” with “rape prevention.” So just tell him that after you squash his balls as hard as possible… “I’ll just say you tried to rape me.” It works beautifully. Now you can actually make him leave a relationship by kicking his testicles enough. By him leaving you can start the child support clock and once the child support clock is started you have a greater chance of being able to put him in jail eventually. In fact, if you want you can trying kicking his balls as hard as possible and then calling the police to say … “he tried to rape me.” The evidence of his ruptured or injured testicles will work against him, because no one will believe that she actually would just maim him for life like that, but there is much to gain in simply destroying one or two testicles, such as sole custody, the house, the car, his money, and about a third of all his future money, so kick his testicles as hard as you can and call 911 as fast as possible. It should work.

      8. Another method is known as the “settlement divorce.” Once you realize that he is going to get a large settlement. Wait until he gets it and then file for divorce the next day. You will automatically get half, but then tell him that you will give him full custody of the children if he pays you the other half, say $50,000. Once he pays you the other half, he may foolishly think that the check insinuates some deal, but in actuality, the check will look like nothing but a gift, unless there is a written agreement. Thus you can get the whole settlement if you are crafty enough.

      These are all divorce methods that I heard of … in news, first hand accounts, and in fraud prevention tapes and classes. I don’t advocate these but these are the methods.

      Mark

      June 10, 2013 at 5:26 pm

  8. Hey found your site from Observer, I have been writing about MGTOW for a few months now, lets join forces.

    Erudite Knight

    March 5, 2013 at 6:45 pm

  9. there are just too many dumb women nowadays, and they are such losers too. lets not forget that they are the biggest cheaters as well. God forbid, if a woman would know how to just stay with only one man instead of having so many different men to date at one time.

    AbsolutelyTheTruth

    March 12, 2013 at 11:18 am

  10. I was with an abusive, violent man who it took me two years to get away from. He wanted to get me pregnant and wouldn’t wear a condom or let me use birth control. I never did get pregnant. I was lucky.

    Catherine

    March 16, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    • I have known abusive girls and women all my life.#1 at a young age I was sliced down my face by a girl I once played with she used a box cutter with no reason.#2 Also around a young age I told my baby sitter I loved her (young kid puppy love stuff) and she pushed me down a flight of stairs.#3 When I started dating I knew nothing but abusive women mentally and physically example #4 One woman used to crack beer bottles over my head simply because I went and bought a six pack and didn’t spend that money on her.#5I had one cheat on me and when I found out she had me jumped because I was gonna leave her and by protecting myself against the guys she convinced to do so I ended up in prison.#6 Another woman cheated on me several times tried to make me think I was paranoid until I caught her she to tried to do all she could to send me to jail just for leaving her whore ass. I had another chick beat the living tar out of my body simply because she said she had a flash back of one of her exs. Over the years I have gotten smarter when it comes to women and that is why I just don’t date them anymore.Also today If a woman ever hit me or cracked a beer bottle over my head I would drop her to the ground no questions asked she would be lucky to have teeth left!! So what the fck is your point!! Do you expect men here to grab the violin out for you? Yes Catherine its not just little supposed innocent women that get abused and the innocent woe is me days of women crying wolf will surely come to a end one day! So go back to your little feminist man hating site and keep writing about ho it is only men who abuse maybe you will find a lesbian friend there because you surely won’t get any sympathy here.

      Anonymous

      March 16, 2013 at 7:39 pm

      • good for you buddy.

        Anonymous

        May 30, 2013 at 4:53 pm

  11. Great article! I couldn’t have said it better myself. I’m a forty seven year old male, never married, money in the bank, fit, lean, happy, look ten years younger than my age, full head of hair. On the other hand, all of my married peers are miserable, broke, hypertensive, look like death warmed over, because they all kvetch and lament about this prison sentence called marriage that they decided to embark upon when they were emotionally vulnerable. I have always been very intuitive and perceptive. At a very young age I came to the realization that our emotions and state of mind towards someone you care about is something dynamic as opposed to a static experience. The person you marry today will NOT be the same person ten years from now, so how on God’s green earth can you make a life long commitment mired in unrealistic financial expectations, and pitfalls? It defies common sense and a clear thinking approach. I don’t get it.

    At the same time, I am a magnet for women looking to tie the knot because I have no bills and all my money goes straight into my bank account. Don’t get me wrong, because I’m not some misogynist. On the contrary, I love women, not just one woman. I love the whole romantics experience with affection, passion, and what not, plus I’m also a great listener which women seem to like a great deal (learned that at an early age too). But the sure fire way to kill the romance and passion is to enter into business agreement with your partner. Trust me…..most of my married friends have very little sex while I’m doing it more now than I did in my twenties. Wake up men!

    Player

    March 17, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    • This is so true! Women do change during the course of marriage and they continue to try to get away with more and more. They don’t feel they have any responsibility, refuse sex, get fat, bitchy, demanding and passive aggressive. Nothing ever good enough for them, that beautiful house you bought with your money will no longer satisfy in a couple of years and she will complain to her friends she lives in squallor. I know because like so many men I when through this and want out on fair terms… a dream that will never happen.

      Anonymous

      March 19, 2013 at 9:06 am

      • Yep. I know this hot and attractive woman with a great career, who all of a sudden in her mid forties got this epiphany about “there has to be more than life than this!!” She has it all; a loving husband who picks up most of the bills while she raised her one kid while continuing to work a lucrative career with flexible schedule that allowed her sock away some serious cash, all because the husband did most of the heavy lifting when it came down to expenses. She berates him because of his issues, but when I drilled a little deeper I cam to the realization that she is the high maintenance one who actually causes her husband all the stress. I mean, this girl has it all! But she still felt the need to go out and f*** some serious strange on the side just to feel validated and relevant again.

        Player

        March 19, 2013 at 9:44 am

  12. oh…..and I forget to mention. As this article so eloquently points out, when married women cheat it’s all the husband’s fault based on on farcical belief system that cheating is justified if your husband neglects you, or says mean things. Trust me……as a single man, I hear attractive, upstanding, and women with successful careers, blame their husband for everything that compelled to seek a lover on the side. I’m talking about husbands who treat their wives like a princess by procuring a house cleaning service, etc. Some of these wives with their twisted and manipulative passive aggressive behavior then wonder why their husbands talk back, or become cantankerous, when they are subjected to little mind games that their wives deploy just to get these husbands groveling.

    Player

    March 17, 2013 at 2:25 pm

  13. Man these comments are so funny and yet so sad. Here’s the solution to your testicle problem men, get a wife from a-broad; I mean have you seen the Kate Upton look-alike from Russia. If we all get wives from abroad it will drive down the market for these local hoes. And then maybe we might think about employing these local hoes (I mean that’s what we’re doing isn’t it, you pay for everything, they do their d-booty). Hey all the work is going overseas anyway, reverse pussy globalize that shit.

    J

    March 24, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    • Unfortunately it doesn’t work like that. There are plenty of stories of men who have married Asian women only to eventually lose everything and spend the rest of their lives pay for it. A lot of Asian women are simply in it for the money and to get into the country…this is also the same for Eastern European women. The best solution for men is to stay single…and get a vasectomy! That way they can have freedom, money, happiness and ultimate contentment.

      pa

      April 19, 2013 at 3:13 pm

  14. Sounds like this guy has been burnt bad!!! You know what I grew up in the generation that women did get married so they could have kids and stay at home. It was a man’s responsibility to support his family. What I don’t understand is that if women can have kids without marriage and women can work and support themselves then why get in a relationship? Seriously??? What do you need each other for? Men bitch about women all the time but they constantly date women and have sex with women. If women are so bad then why continue to date and have sex???? I just don’t understand why a good man would not want and desire to take care of his family??? And a good women would take care of the home and not go crazy spending money on bullshit! The family structure has totally gone out the window…….things were much better years ago……..I would never marry a man who could not support me……what is the purpose of getting married??? I can stay by myself work and support myself. The problem is not that women don’t play by men’s rules it’s that the rules have changed and men don’t like them anymore!!!

    GwenH

    March 30, 2013 at 11:28 am

    • Yes the rules have been changed in total favor for women.So men such as myself do not date women at all or pay a cent to them.If they can take care of themselves there is no need for a man to give his hard earned money to women when they have there own money. Also there is no reason to perform chivalry to women either being they to can take of themselves in every way shape and form along with the feminist laws that take care of women as if they were children. So all in all smart men will no longer fall for the trap anymore of taking care of a woman that does not need it and you can thank feminism for destroying the family structure. In this day and age good women are only about 1% most smart men will not chance sifting through the 99% of man hating gold diggers just to try and find that 1%. The risk would just be to costly.

      Anonymous

      March 30, 2013 at 12:18 pm

      • Not olny that the kids become aware of the abusive nature of this horrible intitlement attitude, of marrige free ride my oldest moved out at eighteen (on his own choice or else he would have been totally distroyed for life also) came back to me a couple of years later and said it was the best move he ever made in his life! If he would have stayed at home my ex wife would have made sure he was pampered and babied, (like women do put the children first and the hasbeened last) like she did with the younger one which boy he pushed that one to the T coming and going however he pleased,slept all day, eventually got on hard drugs,hey why not whos going to stop him mommy? he never moved out even after we got divorced,Two days ago he just got pulled over went to jail violation of felony probation,looking at min four years he just turned twenty nine. What a great product of men having zero power, unless you divorce the bitch,Great she gets all your money and the house for screwing up the kids lives. THe system works awesome rewarding women for being disfuctional.

        steppped on

        March 30, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    • Its not that the rules changed, its that the new rules made men disposable, and everything is in the best interest of women, even when it claims to be in the best interest of children. The new rules are rife with double standards. The rules make men into non-people.

      Wayne

      March 30, 2013 at 4:24 pm

      • Wayne,
        I’ve been following this thread for close to a year now and see people (men and women) come and go. I see men speaking out of emotion and women speaking out of emotion. Occasionally both have good things to say but it’s usually just overdriven by the emotions combined with the clear inability to see the other side. Personally I usually just shut them both out mentally and move on.

        You however time and time again are so right on the money. Every single thing you write on here no matter how lengthy or it may happen to be, is always DEAD ON. You don’t come off as an extremeist and are just so dead center perfect on every single point you make.

        Once again with this you have NAILED it. The rules haven’t changed at all to really “favor” women as it would feel to most men. Without really understanding why things are what they are most individuals would be quick to just come to that conclusion. I’ve been guilty of it myself. However as you point out that’s not the case really. It’s that these rules and laws make men into NON-PEOPLE. That is exactly what the problem is. Mom is treated like a mom and a caretaker and a parent and a person with entitlement who deserves and should expect a cettain way to be treated. The men aren’t even treated as human beings, forget the fact that they are just fathers. The men are treated less than fathers, less than criminals, less than humans actually. It’s entirely automated actually is the truth of the matter. To file for child support the topic of what actually transpires in regards to the mans life, REGARDLESS IF HE IS AN AWESOME FATHER OR NOT, is never considered on every level or mentioned anywhere. In fact even bringing up the topic one is shamed and ridiculed and labeled selfish. All in the name of the “children” of course.

        Anyway thabks for making sense of this mess again and again. You should write a book or do your own blog with the way you write man. Happy Easter to you and your kids if you get to see them (I get to see one only myself).

        cc

        cashdoller

        March 30, 2013 at 9:58 pm

        • I have to disagree here. The fact is that the rules have changed and favor women more and more as long as we have incompetent presdients in office like Obama. They came to power promising change and all we got is more laws for more entitlements to those who never have gotten them in the first place. Can you honestly say that we had these problems in the 50s and 60s? No. Back then everyone had there place and accepted it. Now that the feminists have demanded equality, they can’t handle making a living themselves so they want a man to depend on and if the shit hits the fan, they can make him pay for everything and blame everything on him. You never seen divorce back then ravage men like it does today. Women didn’t get what they do now when they play the divorce card, so they didn’t play it. The role that men have today is the default payer, who the hell wants that? The only way our society will ever work again is if you take away all these entitlements constantly given to women.

          John

          March 31, 2013 at 3:56 pm

          • Well the reason they made these laws is because men had the ability to leave the family and leave the kids and wife with the responsibility to raise them alone. He had all the money generating power so he had the trump card. You do realize that is why they made these rules right? I can see the logic surely you can too.

            Unfortunately once you get politicians involved in family matters, everything goes to shit. Here is the reality as I see it: the concept of divorce and the broken American family did not begin to become a problem until this current day system began to take hold.

            Men and women are a lot different. Men need to have a role and feel valued in their “manhood”. This is very different from how a woman’s brain works. By this I mean men for the history of this planet have always gotten the most out of us when you give him meaning and purpose. Whether that be a soldier, business leader, a “real” father who protected his family and brought home the money, scientist inventor, whatever. But when you take away a NEED for a man, he gets lazy and reluctant (much more than a woman would get).

            So if a woman doesn’t need a husband and a family doesn’t need a father and our military seems like it doesn’t even welcome true men anymore, then you’re going to have a nation of lazy dudes who don’t give a fuck… Because they have no purpose.

            They may not realize it on the surface, but society has basically made it loud and clear men are not needed. There certainly is no reason to get married at all, it makes no sense to do that when you look at the position it puts us in if it doesn’t work out. There is only 1 other class of people in society ( so called “terrorists”) who get as unconstitutional out right illegal treatment that divorced dads (aka so called “deadbeats”) get in our current system. Child molestors and rapists and murderers get more rights than deadbeat dads. (Every dad is a potential deadbeat dad regardless of how good or bad of a father you are)

            Renton the gay male feminist cop fo sho

            April 1, 2013 at 8:25 am

            • I agree with some of what you said: “Unfortunately once you get politicians involved in family matters, everything goes to shit. Here is the reality as I see it: the concept of divorce and the broken American family did not begin to become a problem until this current day system began to take hold.” I agree completely. It wasn’t until the feminist came along demanding equal rights for women who can’t handle life on their own when life in our society went horribly wrong. Women still needed a crutch when they can’t handle things and that crutch is men. I disagree that men want to be needed. Men want more than to be plan B and be needed only when the woman fucked up and needed help. Since they make the money in the family, men want and deserve control of the family unit. When you make the stupid rules of today that give women all the control, the only reason marriage is necessary is to make men become the payer. A women’s life is just grand like this. They get the kids they want, the job they want…the life they want and no man to tell them what to do only to pay for all of their trips to the mall, therapist visits, foolish mistakes and incompetancies. You don’t have a nation of lazy dudes that have no purpose, they have to work their asses off to pay for the unnecessary crap women make them pay for. After that you have a nation full of dudes who are poor and pissed off that they were had. We are treated as you say, like terrorists, rapists and murderers when we refuse to pay what we are told. Back in pre-feminist America women didn’t play the divorce card and men didn’t leave the family. They could, but didn’t. They were happy, moreless, with things the way they were.

              John

              April 1, 2013 at 9:22 am

            • I challenge the presumption that men left because they merely had the ability. Something made it untenable to stay there. Likely, the inability to force out the bad actor made abandoning the only viable answer.

              I’m sure there’s straw-men arguments about some douchebag who traded in his wife and kids for a bimbo and a vette. I can pretty much counter every one of those with an example of a violent, petty, vindictive shrew who drove away their partner then proceeded to milk that for all it’s worth.

              It’s no longer 1950. Or even 1800. Our modern, industrial life makes both working at a job easier AND makes household work easier, making those who need to balance both work and household a viable solution. Difficult, but viable. I do it, so it can’t be that damn hard. It allows couples to find the answer that works for them. Both work, one works and one stays home, both work 60 hour weeks and get a nanny. Hell, now one can stay home on disability, and the other can stay home on gender-based entitlements, and it works too.

              Regardless, the state got involved when it realized there was a victim class it could exploit. If the solution were viable, we wouldn’t have the number of divorces, single mother households, teen pregnancies, and never-married single mother parents. Why work, when the state will rob others for you?

              Yep, women fell for the same thing that hyphen-Americans fell for, that illegal immigrants fell for, that homosexuals fell for, that unions fell for – that they’re a special class of victim, and only more government intervention, subsidies and special consideration will make it all better. Does it work? Nope, but now there’s a bunch of government workers now caring for and supporting each class of victim. Each entrant into the Victim Olympics has to be supporting a couple of government workers apiece. Well, like children of divorce, justifying the state from commandeering other people’s shit for “helpless wards of the state” for a 6 figure salary and an obscene pension.

              Generations later, it’s not better, its worse. But still, the dream persists. Like faith in the supernatural, ya just have to want it enough, they just need to make a few more examples of people, they just need a few more billion, or they just need to neuter as many straight white men as possible, and it will all be unicorns and fruit smoothies.

              I don’t think that breaking a marriage contract should be as consequence free as depicted, for either party, Neither party should have to put up with grief or indifference from the other, and neither party should be allowed to exploit the situation to compel the other for a lifetime of support, but I am damn certain that once the money and government are out of the picture, this will cease to be a problem.

              Wayne

              April 2, 2013 at 9:33 pm

              • Great job Wayne!

                “Regardless, the state got involved when it realized there was a victim class it could exploit. If the solution were viable, we wouldn’t have the number of divorces, single mother households, teen pregnancies, and never-married single mother parents. Why work, when the state will rob others for you?”

                I could agree more. The government is looking to get their hands on everything and everybody. When all the government money runs out, what then?? I think this makes the problem even worse, you’ll have entitled bitches hawking their ex’s even moreso. You will never see a solution to this problem unless you correct the feminist laws that started all of this in the begining. Even then, the “cat’s out of the bag” and there’s probably no returning the the pre-feminist days where divorce wasn’t such a problem. Women will continue to think of themselves as entitled, demanding everything while not having to do anything to earn it. Marriage has been forever ruined never again to fulfill it’s intended purpose. We have the feminists and the incompenent government to thank for that.

                John

                April 3, 2013 at 9:20 am

        • Holy shit! Cashdollar! Somebody who writes well. Bravo!

          I agree with a great deal I read here even if I’m a grammar and spelling Nazi.

          Bill D

          April 3, 2013 at 11:00 am

    • Yet another woman has discovered the philosophy behind MGTOW and is upset about it I see.

      Yes, indeed, things WERE much better years ago, but let’s not forget the recent election where feminists and gay rights supporters who backed Obama said not to “set the country back 50 years.” So I guess we know who to thank for the favorable changes, don’t we?

      Little Big Dave

      March 30, 2013 at 5:08 pm

      • The whole way we have come to this current day reality is so skewed to the way humans have lived for the entire course of human history. I think future historians are going to look back at the western culture around the year 2000 and point to this clear unraveling that is happening around us. This whole gender equality thing will be another topic future historians look at and point to as to the major reason why this culture began to fall apart. Basing an entire culture consisting of billions of people on the notion that every single person, regardless of gender and race, is EXACTLY THE SAME is not only stupid, it’s ignorant and foolhardy. Fact is we are different on many levels. It’s like when you go and buy a dog and decider on a pitbull or a poodle. Regardless of what you want to do with them, their differences are more than just their looks!

        cashdoller

        March 30, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    • Hello Gwen,

      So far I respect your morals and values however, If you are so independent you shouldn’t want a man taking care of you. That ‘s what we are talking about on this site. Women want to switch roles when it is suitable for them. If a couple divorces the woman should wake up early in the morning to work everyday just like the man. What the heck is alimony? Get up and go to work just like you expect the man to do. The marriage is over. What does he owe you? Of course the old marriages should initiate alimony because our grandmothers stayed home and were wives, according to the standards of that time. Today, women are equal. Men please don’t get married of have children, adopt or practice artificial insemination. How many kids from marriages are not the child to the father (husband). As we know the self righteous religious bastards won’t promote DNA testing with every born child to establish paternity.

      MB

      April 20, 2013 at 12:53 am

    • The rules have indeed changed…but if they favour women over men, they only benefit women on the surface. There is a reason there are women and men; at the heart of it all we are supposed to work together. Yet here we are, not working together. However the rules have changed and whomever they support on the face, at the end of the day, they will ultimately destroy us all.

      47x31jH4-92

      May 27, 2013 at 9:05 pm

  15. Men should stop with the crying ASAP… ffs. Why the fuck do we need women in the first place? If they want to be “free” and do as they wish, well good for them. We don’t need to marry in order to have a sex life and we can be single parents as well. The past is dead and it wasn’t necessary good for men. We had too many rights, but too many responsibilities also. All we need to do now is make sure women get an equal share of the responsibilities that were always attributed to men.

    Rafael

    March 31, 2013 at 6:41 am

    • It’s not so much equal responsibilities for women, they need to take responsibility for what they do. If they get caught in a bad marriage, they should have to pay just as much as men do. If they what to run their own life and be free, they should have to take responsibility when they fail. If they cause a marriage to fail, they should stand to lose the kids and custody just as a man would if the marriage failed becuase of his irresponsibility. Women are in this no-fault entitlement world where they can be stupid, irresponsibile and immature and walk away with a man’s hard earned money. This has to stop if our society is to survive.

      John

      April 1, 2013 at 10:43 am

  16. first of all, the women of today are nothing like the real good women that we had years ago. second of all, most women nowadays have such a very bad attitude problem which makes it much more harder meeting a good one. with many of the women that have their very high paying job today, they certainly think that they are all that. at least years ago, many women did accept their men for who they were and he didn’t have to be rich either. today it is most of the women that want a man with a very large bank account, and they are very good at cheating nowadays too. very hard for us good serious men today that are really looking for a good woman to settle down with, and all the good ones seem to be taken.

    The Absolute Truth

    April 2, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    • I understand where you’re coming from, but let’s be honest here. What would a college educated woman with a BA and MA have in common with some guy who only graduated high school or trade school? What would they have in common to even start a relationship with? Many, years ago, women didn’t have the education and career opportunities that we have today. They settled for what and who they could find.
      You can’t expect a woman who studied hard for a good education and a good career to just commit to any man who comes along because he says so. You need to offer something intellectually that she can resonate with. Remember, with her “very high paying job,” she can support herself quite nicely.
      If your idea of a “good woman” is a person who only cares about housework, cleaning and children, then there are millions of high school educated women for you, as only about 32% of Americans have a college degree. You might consider lowering your educational requirement for a mate, if you don’t have the college education yourself.
      You might not like this, but it’s the truth.

      Anonymous

      April 3, 2013 at 9:32 am

      • this is why it is very hard for us men that are seriously looking for a good woman to meet and have a relationship today, and years ago a woman did accept their men for who he was. and my aunt and uncle are starting their 65th year together, that just shows you how much different the women certainly were years ago. women years ago were much more BETTER EDUCATED because of the games that they did not play like they are doing today, and MONEY wasn’t the answer that many of the women seem to want more than anything else these days.

        Absolutely Right

        April 7, 2013 at 12:15 pm

        • Women were not necessarily better or worse back in the day. They didn’t have the opportunities that women today have. That is a big difference right there. Also, consider that most girls 60 years ago married right out of high school, or a couple of years after. Most women didn’t have college educations back then. What real opportunities did they have? They were expected to marry young and breed lots of children. Women were not better educated 60 years ago. They just had minimal to no choices.

          Your aunt and uncle might be married for 65 years, but I bet that religion is a big reason that they never divorced, because their church wouldn’t accept them if they were divorced. Also, women were told to “suck it up,” if their husband beat them, cheated on them, frittered the money away on booze, etc. While it’s nice to see a couple together for 65 years (my parents were married for 42 years, until death), I know well the reasons behind it.

          I can only speak for myself and women of my type, but I couldn’t have a relationship with a man if he wasn’t intelligent, well educated, personable, sweet and kind. Those are the qualities I would look for in a man. I have much more in common with an academic than a plumber, however the plumber probably makes a lot more money than the professor. However, I would be much happier with the academic, because he has traits that would complement me, and vice versa. And yes, I am with a man who is smart, well educated, sweet, kind, etc.

          I’m sorry you cannot seem to find a nice woman, but that isn’t the fault of smart, educated women with a good career. We have nothing to with your inability to attract a life partner.

          At least I am being honest. Would you rather hear lies? I don’t think so.

          For some strange reason, I like to lurk here. But this time, I decided to comment.

          Anonymous

          April 7, 2013 at 6:05 pm

          • Women don’t want a “life partner”. They want an accessory that picks up the tab. When he stops being a useful idiot, or a gateway to access power and ‘stuff’, he’s gone. She gets his stuff, but he’s discarded like last winter’s shoes.

            Women speak, roar even, about ‘equality’ and egalitarianism, prejudice, etc. They complain about being reduced to their appearance, etc., regardless of how well regarded in their profession they may actually be considered.

            The sad truth is that they’re hypocrites in this regard. *They* will be the first one in any relationship to calculate the ‘value’ of their partner, in a cold, mercantile fashion, yet berate men at every opportunity, accusing them of reducing women to ‘sex objects’. Ironic, but if being booted from any investment in a family is a statistical surety, why should anything be considered beyond how pleasant the copulation would be?

            Men are considerably more compassionate and considerate – men consider women from a much larger spectrum. Women are mercenary and brutal about it. Watch any woman who’s trying to humiliate a man – the first thing she’ll do is show him exactly what she estimates his social status and ‘market value’ are. Women *sneer* at men with outright contempt. Worse, should the idiot dare step outside of his caste and approach someone who values herself considerably higher.

            Honor, work ethic, dedication: these are traits of useful idiots, demanded until death by women. Does she reciprocate? So long as she thinks there’s a gain, and not a moment longer. Less so if she thinks she’s deserving of a better class of husband.

            Feminism isn’t about equality and respect, about fairness, about equality before the law. Its about control and subjugation, and using the state as a willing proxy. Feminism is about codifying into law, a sexual inequality in favor of women, and playing the victim card whenever possible.

            Much like the ongoing claims of racism, the ongoing claims of sexism are to perpetuate an “at war” status, so that rediculous laws and rules can be implemented with the cheers of victory. Feminist propaganda exists to convince themselves that the opposition (men) are not people, and therefore are despicable, disposable and exploitable.

            Misandric advertising is nothing more than banging stick in a bucket of slops for feminist pigs. You can sell anything if you make a man look like an idiot in the process. I look at the Disney channel, and even that is nothing but girls outsmarting effeminate, effete boys, fathers, and male buffoons in authority.

            Why do women get gooey over Barack Obama? He’s going to use force to loot resources from men who worked for it, but can’t defend it, and promises to give it to them for, essentially, a “like” in November. He’s going to let them be spoiled idiots with no accountability – let them be carefree teenagers again.

            Some years ago, divorce rates spiked in Japan for men who were retiring. They were not the ones filing, it was their spouses, who enjoyed the money they brought home, a free day on their own and with their children, and now when their husband, who worked into his 50′s and 60′s, came home to finally spend the day, she wanted none of that. His value was gone, and she got half of his pension and savings. Why stick around and put up with dip-shit? “Wet leaves” was the expression – he didn’t know what to do with himself after grinding away for 40 or 50 years, and it irritated her to have this disturbing ‘her’ routine.

            Grey divorce is ramping up in the states, too. Don’t think that she’s sticking with you for any longer than she has to.

            The last election showed that the vast majority of women voted with their lady parts, and damn anyone else’s concerns, or consideration about the sustainability, or the impact on the next generation, or generations unborn. They’re happy to rob your grandchildren for goodies, handouts and entitlements. Think your life will be any different just because they swore an oath to you? Not a chance.

            Wayne

            April 7, 2013 at 8:13 pm

        • People are motivated but their incentive, regardless of gender. Since the rules have changed to be much more favorable to women (even going as far as taking away men’s civil rights and political rights) when they are fighting with a man over marriage, divorce, children, family money- and that type of thing, then they are naturally going to get sucked into that ideology of entitlement. It’s just human nature. If the rules were reversed and we were given tools to publically shame and freely at the will of judges and lawyers gumiliate women if they don’t perform a certain something we want , then we would act the same way.

          And it currupts even the best people. When you see others around you exploiting this system and cashing in on immorally in a way you wouldn’t normally be, it starts to wear on you. One of my good friends who is a single mother recently just filed for child support. Her daughter is 17 and she never bothered before. She never seemed to care about that stuff and seemed to really understand that she is the winner because she has the kid, not the kids father who doesn’t seem like a good dad and missed out. I thought that was her mindset. But she told me she filed because “I had to do it so he doesn’t get away with it and I don’t get screwed”. Key concept here is the word “I”. It is supposed to be money for the child not an entitlement prize award for being a mindful parent. Even worse is the feeling of bitterness and the revenge factor. She clearly was not filing this for the sole benefit of her kid like it is intended for. She doesn’t need the money nothing has changed in her life. She was filing it because she has been made to feel that money is ENTITLED to her, she DESERVES IT for the HARD WORK she has done. Rather than feeling content and happy she succeasilly raised her child and proud of herself for that and lookin toward the future, she is stuck on revenge and money.

          But my point is why? I argue it has nothing to do with her gender. It has to do with how our government and the rules that govern it have exploited a victim class, in this case women, and made them feel this way. They have been handed the tools to take advantage of men by the government. And more disgustingly is they have been brainwashed into thinking its morally right and ethically right to do these things bexsuse our government have used our children as the bait. You see with my friend case in point she wasn’t filing for child suport cuz she needed it to raise her kid. She would of done it years ago if that was the case. She was doing it because of the jealous bitterness that came with raising a child alone and not getting money from the father. Realize also that the message here is that money is all men need to give to make both the women happy and the government happy. No money, you get punished. Give money, you are relieved of both societal shame and get to avoid the renoval of tour many civil rights that are taken away if you don’t follow through and do what you are told.

          cashdoller

          April 8, 2013 at 2:31 pm

      • I have a bachelor’s in science degree in a hard science field and I’m currently in medical school. My husband has an associate degree in engineering. He is by far smarter and more intellectually stimulating than most of my current classmates. Never confuse education for intelligence.

        Candi

        April 8, 2013 at 10:06 pm

        • Your classmates? How about you? Do you find him more stimulating than others perceive you?

          Also since you have a dead person from the days of the roman republic at the center of your marriage, what would happen to your marriage if this dead person was found to be someone you wouldn’t of liked or would of been scared of if you were alive back then. Just curious.

          cashdoller

          April 9, 2013 at 12:11 am

          • I don’t need to verify my intelligence for you cashdollar and I’m not sure how others perceive me as I don’t look to them for validation. I offended you with my reference to Jesus Christ I presume? That’s okay. I was once offended by Christ too because of my sinful ways but I came to realize that He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life and my joy is found within Him.

            Now on to your assertion and assumption that Jesus is a dead person. That is quite incorrect my friend. Jesus Christ is quite alive and well and sits on the right hand throne of God. His grave has never been found you know ;) I know that I like Him and in fact I love Him with all my heart, soul, mind and body. He is my everything and because of Him I am a changed person for the better and my marriage thrives. My husband was once an unbeliever but after seeing the light that Christ has brought into me, he has decided to follow Jesus as well. I couldn’t have more joy!!!

            I no longer fear death nor am I angry or bitter. I don’t need to prove myself worthy because I know that Jesus Christ made me worthy when He died for my sins. This might come as a surprise to you but I actually studied a number of different religions, including that of evolution which I was indoctrinated into during my university years and beyond (surprise! It requires just as much faith as any other religion, or more and it doesn’t offer one shred of proof for any of its claim other than natural selection but thats a whole other topic) and have come to the conclusion that religion is not the answer. A living breathing relationship with the Creator of the universe Jesus Christ is and life couldn’t be any better.

            You may have been burned by religion. I was too. Or you may just feel superior to those whose beliefs differ from yours. That’s all right as well as I used to be the same way. We each have a choice to make and yours, at the moment, is to deny Christ’s existence. That is your choice and I hold no ill will to you for it. I would love for you to actually allow yourself to take the journey I did and make a choice to follow the evidence wherever it leads in search of the truth and you will find that You will know the truth and the truth will set you free (John 8:32) God bless my friend.

            Anonymous

            April 9, 2013 at 4:52 pm

            • You have blind faith into a person who is dead who you know absolutely nothing about except what you read in books that have been translated hundreds of times over. I’m not offended that you have chosen to put this man at the center of your life at all. I was simply asking a logical question. I’m glad you’re happy with your chosen path.

              For me I look at Earth as being a tiny spec of a planet in a very very vast galaxy… one of many billions of galaxies in the known Universe. We haven’t even began to understand what human existence is or why we’re here and especially what is out there among the stars.

              See for me life and human existence on our little blue planet is much bigger than a 2000 year old dead guy. So much more it’s impossible to even put in words. No organized religion on Earth has any meaning outside of Earth itself. Existence is much more than the human history on planet earth. It’s nothing but a nanosecond in the grand scheme of our mysterious cosmos.

              I do take some of what I said back though, there have been some religions that have invested much of their ideology into the stars and space. From what I gather over the years we as a species have lost the magic that these past societies had captured. There simply is no other way they would of been able to build some of the treasures we find today.

              Besides Christianity is responsible for millions upon millions of deaths since its inception. Not to mention it’s impossible to follow all of it’s rules, modernized or not.

              Plus I personally think if Jesus existed he was simply a cult crazy fanatic who the Romans eventually made legendary to their advantage. Who do you think was responsible for the shitty 1000 years otherwise known as the middle ages? The “barbarians”? Hardly. The church! Never has there been a more slave riding institution than the catholic church.

              cashdoller

              April 20, 2013 at 1:20 am

              • Your knowledge of the historicity of both Jesus and the New Testament, not to mention the history of Christianity itself is woefully inadequate.

                The evidence is overwhelming that the N.T. was written in the first century, with the book of Mark written in approximately 50 A.D. (the book of Acts was written no later than 60 A.D. when Paul was sent to Rome as a prisoner. He was beheaded in Rome as Christians were persecuted by Nero. Dionysios recorded this in the 90s – and mentions Paul and Peter were killed around the same time. Few dispute this. No one disputes Paul wrote the Book of Acts. We know it was written AFTER the Gospels. Thus the main story of Jesus was written within one generation of his death – when many eyewitnesses would still be alive to corrorborate the claims – or dispute them if they were inaccurate).

                Christianity is not responsible for the deaths of millions. Please provide evidence.

                On the other hand, atheist doctrines ARE responsible for the death of millions: communism (overtly atheist and religious people are/were persecuted. See Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, the French Revolution (overtly atheist), North Korea, Cuba…

                apollyon911

                April 27, 2013 at 7:11 am

          • Btw sorry for misspelling your name *cashdoller*

            Anonymous

            April 9, 2013 at 5:08 pm

            • it happens a lot… due to the fact that I am indeed spelling “doller” incorrectly within the confines of the name itself. I had to do that long ago when picking a name because there are too many cashdollars believe it or not.

              cashdoller

              April 20, 2013 at 1:23 am

      • I’m an educated professional. That being said she becomes involve with a man of a higher status and income. Men converse with all types of women. Believe me, regardless of a woman’s educational background. They f-you the same. So educational status has nothing to do with this.

        MB

        April 20, 2013 at 1:08 am

    • I agree! There really aren’t any good women left. They are all after this feminist lifestyle of never needing a man in their life, only to pay for their mistakes. Working and contributing to the family is not good enough
      for them or too much drudgery caused by an asshole husband who can’t make enough money to satisfy their entitled lifestyle. They don’t want to be part of a family, it’s better to be a bitch and use the divorce card and the kids to make men pay. The days when women picked a man not necessary based on how big his paycheck is are gone. The only thing that matters is how big the divorce settlement is.

      John

      April 3, 2013 at 9:37 am

  17. It started a long time ago, perhaps with our grandmothers. Daughters were admonished to find a “good provider” a man of means and so on. Forget those foolish notions about love and romance, my dear, but pick a good man and be a good wife to him.

    Not all girls followed that advice and married what turned out to be drunks and other losers. Many did find “good providers” but became bored to tears with him but felt trapped as divorce in the good ol’ days marked everyone as failures including the divorcees’ parents.

    We know the rest. Today we try to choose the best from a bad lot: cynical women who will cash you in for what you’re worth, and retain a lawyer to keep you chained for as long as they can get away with it.

    Although in a very good marriage myself, I counsel boys and men to avoid marriage and common law arrangements* until they have matured and prospective mates have passed a battery of tests and under evaluation for three or four years. The lead article to which I’m replying here is a must copy and read item for all men.

    Cap’n Bill

    *In Canada, two jurisdictions now consider common law relationships as having the full responsibilities and rights of marriages.

    P.S. “A man marries a women with the expectation that she won’t ever change, but she does. A woman marries a man expecting that she can ‘change him’ and finds out later that she can’t.” [Anon]

    Bill D

    April 3, 2013 at 11:32 am

  18. women today are certainly not like they use to be years ago, when they would be very COMMITTED to their men and ACCEPTED them for who they were. and it was certainly much easier meeting a good woman back then, and today many of them have a very serious attitude problem now. since many of the women of today think that they are GOD’S gift to men, it is very hard meeting a real honest nice one today.

    Absolutely Right

    April 7, 2013 at 12:00 pm

  19. Wow, what a humbling eye-opener. Glad I stumbled across this, I had NO IDEA guys got this much of a bad rap when it comes to marriage. I’m currently in a loving relationship with a wonderful man who has been hurt very badly in the past, and although I have the romantic notion of us someday becoming man & wife, I would never want to put him in such a compromising position as the current state of marriage portrays. No wonder he doesn’t want to walk down the aisle- it would be like the ‘Green Mile’ for most men. I would rather just be in a committed relationship if this is indeed the case. This is, in my opinion, the sad result of the non-separation of church and state. Marriage begins in the heart, it needs no legalities or paperwork to justify it. I also believe feminism, the “princess attitude”, and the serious decline of morality have taken there toll as well.

    Anonymous

    April 8, 2013 at 6:30 am

    • anonymous, i have a question for you. if there is so much emphasis on equality for the sexes, why is a woman entitled to half of everything in a marriage even though it is the man (at least in my case) that was earning everything? it seems as if the laws are sexist and there is a double standard. maybe in 50 years it will be different.

      frankie

      April 8, 2013 at 12:01 pm

  20. i agree with this article. i was married for 3 years and realized that i was just going to end up being broke, living in a little apartment on social security with nothing to show for my hard work in life. i divorced my lazy controlling wife. before i did, i knew it was going to hurt financially but i was desparate and willing to swim against the current for a while before i could have my freedom again. we had no children so i am blessed and thankful to god for that. she did take me to the cleaners and i was paying for over a year before i finally paid her off and cleansed her out of my life. oh, 2 months after we got divorced, she got pregnant with her boyfriend. but according to the divorce decree, i had to pay her health insurance for another 8 months. so, i was paying for her health insurance baby check ups with the doctor even though it was not my baby. unreal. she is gone now and i am free. i am free at last and i will never get married again. now i control my life and i am much happier. there is no feeling in the world knowing that i control my finances and the money is not being wasted. i have begun to start investing my money again and the way things are going, i will be semi-retired when i am 50 years old. yes, i will enjoy my 50s and i will not be an endentured slave to some dumb bitch that goes to the mall every other day to buy stupid shit that just ends up in a garage sale. guys, if you are in a similar situation, get out now. the longer you wait, the longer it will take before you can enjoy life again. i made the ultimate mistake and over the course of 6 years of being with that woman, i must have lost close to 250.000. free at last and never could be fucking happier . . . . . ):

    frankie

    April 8, 2013 at 11:52 am

  21. Marriage is at best a big gamble for both sexes, but especially men. It can be argued that marriage provides some security for children that result from a marriage, but beyond that it’s hard to see what the benefits would be for men to indenture themselves so completely. Marry and your freedom, your time and your earnings are gone, possibly for life. Your ability to focus on achievement is likely to evaporate in a myriad of chores, problems, distractions.
    By all means have a girl friend, a weekend partner, or live-in lover, but don’t marry until you are absolutely certain it’s a really good thing for YOU to do.

    Bill D

    April 8, 2013 at 12:33 pm

  22. agree bill. i didn’t look at all the pros and cons to getting married and was just excited to do it because i never had been. if i knew now what i didn’t know then, i would have never done it. sometimes we have to make mistakes to be smarter with the game of life. i still don’t think the laws are fair to the fun seekers though.

    frankie

    April 8, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    • Frankie, I didn’t look at the pros and cons when I first married at age 22; that one lasted for 12 years. I got away unscathed compared to the way it goes today. Many young men it seems need a starter marriage or “user-trial” arrangement.

      Now there is an idea for an instructional game or training system. Call it the Matrimonial Simulator™! Legal variables could be set for each jurisdiction, e.g., New York state, or Wyoming. And different levels of difficulty! Build the thing like a suburban home or even a condo, and add kids and dogs as desired. Wifey level could be set anywhere from lazy, easy-going, to shrew, to crazy shrieking bitch. Environmental factors like tv always on at top volume, collection agencies on the phone every hour, cats pissing on the bed, shoe-chewing dog, kids fighting, Kraft Dinner four times a week, broken appliances — endless possibilities. Commit your sons to the MatSim™ for a week and then what he thinks about the prospect of marriage.

      Seriously, there is a the to educate young men to the legal, financial and quality of life hazards of marriage. We can start by passing the basic document we’re discussing around to friends, even relatives. Hand out a hard copy here and there and we might save some chump-to-be a lot of agony, grief and money.

      Men going their own way or MGTOW is the guiding principle.

      Bill D

      April 8, 2013 at 3:04 pm

      • I really like the idea of the simulator but instead of the annopying life events that pop up I wouold like to see it more centered on the financial aspects. Let say the man goes inot the marriage with a good job , good salary, no debt and no expenses. The sky is the limit for him. But then he decides to get married…this is when the simulator tracks the poor guys raising expenses and debt. But it gets worse…the simulator shows the the poor guys debt raising more when he has to buy a house, a second car…etc. The worse is when the woman disposes of the poor guy and cashes in. The game should show the before and after situation this guy faces and how much money he would have if he didn’t get married. They should make every guy who considers marriage to play this game and comment on the before and after and ask him why he would want to deliberately sacrifice his finanacial future.

        John

        April 8, 2013 at 6:26 pm

        • Yes, of course, John. The Matrimonial Simulator™ will have modules for separations, divorces, custody trials, counseling, restraining orders, estrangement from pets, “amendment ” of support orders, invoices from lawyers. I’ll even include an optional workbook for $49.95.

          There will be modules for everything and will operate like Call of Duty or SimCity. At the end of the simulation, condemnation to Hell should look pretty good in comparison– unless he chooses somebody like Cindi.

          Good women do exist as my wife will be quick to tell you. ;-)

          Bill D

          April 8, 2013 at 11:32 pm

  23. I’m sad to say that a lot of what is written here, although in anger, is true. Have you ever considered that maybe its because most American women are no longer true Christian women? I’m full blooded American and I met my husband when he was going through a rough patch financially and medically. This didnt deter my interest in him because his character was amazing so I went for it and couldn’t be happier. Was I concerned that he couldn’t care for me? No because my mother taught me to take care of myself and that’s what I did.
    2 years later we are having our first child and he is the best man in the world. He works while I go to school but I cook, clean, do laundry, give him massages and even take his shoes off when he comes home from work. It empowers me as a woman to take good care of my husband who is taking good care of me.
    We have sex anytime he wants it and I couldn’t be happier. We base our marriage on Christian principles and put God first in our lives. Most American women today are indoctrinated in college that they are victims and need to resist the evil white man at all costs. Believe me I’m not exaggerating as I’ve been through the indoctrination double time as a minority and a woman while getting my bachelor’s. It wasn’t until a few years after I graduated that I realized I couldn’t get a date because I was so bitter and hateful, thinking I was entitled to everything just because.
    I rededicated myself to Christ, found true joy, and learned to judge people by their character not by their wallet. My husband came along and we will be happy together forever with Jesus Christ as the center of our marriage. Sorry for the long post but maybe you should consider real Christian women from now on. I know I’m much better off as a Christian wife than I was as a bitter “hot chick” who guys would want to sleep with but not date.

    Candi

    April 8, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    • I have to say I’m inclined to agree about founding a proper relationship on Christian principles, or at the very least, a religion that encourages fidelity, selflessness, and other moral character traits necessary to truly care for another person. I’ve read several posts now on here slamming religion, but I can’t help but notice how once you take away people’s beliefs in a higher almighty power, those people are then left with no alternative but a dogmatic reverence for whatever the government decrees as sacred.

      I hardly think it’s a coincidence that as religious faith declines, interest in dogmatic doctrines such as feminism and “gay marriage” increases. Admittedly I am hardly an expert on all world religions, but it seems to me most of them agree that the institution of male and female pairing up is key to our survival as a race. We now live in a world that seems to reject that institution further and further every day, almost as if it was being deliberately poisoned.

      Anyway I wish you and your husband the best of luck. Remember that with your religion comes faith, and faith is the root of fidelity. Nothing important will be impossible if you maintain that much. God bless!

      Little Big Dave

      April 9, 2013 at 5:52 am

      • Thank you sir. You are truly a gentleman and a scholar. I have to say that feminism is one of the worst cancers that has pervaded our society and I hate it to its core. It robs women of the joy of being a woman and kills men’s souls. I love cooking, cleaning, and taking care of my husband. The joy I get when he comes home from a hard days works and I have a hot meal ready is amazing! To see the look of stress wash away from his face after a nice massage is the best thing in the world! He still finds it funny that I take his shoes off but he is so tired when he comes home that he forgets and when I do it, it always makes him smile.

        Women are taught that we are better just because and that men need to worship us. I call BS big time. Men and women are both creations of God and we are here to help one another, uplift one another, support one another, and most importanatly, love one another. Thank you again for you kind words and God bless!

        Anonymous

        April 9, 2013 at 5:03 pm

        • I think he would like it better if you went to work and wasn’t so damned worthless. Don’t you have any compassion for this man?? No, you would rather let him make all the money going through the hell and stress that is today’s work world all by himself. This poor guy is going to burn out and it will be all your fault. I’m sure you’ll have no problem taking all his money in the end.

          John

          April 9, 2013 at 5:23 pm

        • boy there sure are not that many good women like you around anymore these days, and most of them can’t even commit to only one man and like to cheat so much too. the women of today are so very sad, and then they wonder why so many of us men will not approach them to start a conversation with them. i wish that we had the women of the fifties and sixties around for many of us serious straight men that are looking for a good woman to settle down with.

          TellingTheTruth

          April 9, 2013 at 6:54 pm

          • Some of us women don’t want to go back to the stifling, and bring fifties and sixties. Many of us prefer to live in 2013, where we have the opportunity to earn college degrees, have good jobs, and have our own lives, without being financially dependent on another person. Many of us want to make something of ourselves without being told how to live.

            Sounds like you’re just looking for a woman to cook, clean, do laundry, and have sex. I suggest you hire a cook, a maid, and a whore.

            '

            April 10, 2013 at 2:30 pm

        • To Anonymous, where are the good women like you nowadays? so many women today are just so very nasty to talk too, and will walk away from us when we try. most of the women of today are certainly nothing like the real good ladies that we had years ago, and that is a very good reason why many of us straight men can’t seem to meet a good woman to have a relationship with.

          TellingTheTruth

          April 9, 2013 at 7:05 pm

        • What a hypocrite! You deride feminism as some type of cancer upon society, yet you had no problem using feminism’s change upon society to go to school for an undergraduate degree. That like Clarance Thomas using affirmative action policies to get into Yale law school, then writing against its ideas while on SCOTUS.

          Now you don’t want to get a job?!? Maybe YOU were taught that men need to worship YOU, but I was taught by my father that I need to EARN everything I have, from my various university degrees (that I paid for) to to my good career that I have today, even in this tough economy.

          Good luck keeping hubby happy with the little 1950′s wifey thing. After some years, that gets old fast. He’ll want a woman to talk to, who is more than cooking, cleaning, laundry and babies. And that won’t be you.

          '

          April 10, 2013 at 2:51 pm

        • Your husband is a fortunate man and you are a very blessed couple….

          MB

          April 20, 2013 at 2:01 am

      • This all sounds good…where you find Christian women with Christian principals they will be into fidelity, want a family, commitment and a guy who has character and not necessarily big money. I’m telling you right now this is not true…I know this by personal experience. Women hide behide this aire of Christianity but deep down they are just as bad any other woman. After the marriage starts you find out all the Christian stuff was just a bunch of bullshit. I’ve been stuck with this “Christian” bitch for more than 20 years. Whatever they say they are, it’s all lies and bullshit. Like Wayne says, women don’t want a life partner…they want a lifetime payer. I would really like to believe that there truly are women out there who really do believe in Christian principals, want to please their husbands, want a family and intend to be in love with him for life. I really used to believe this…not anymore. The woman of yesterday that was this way is gone forever. Don’t be stupid enough to fall for the lies of “todays” woman

        John

        April 9, 2013 at 5:52 pm

        • Did you miss this? “or at the very least, a religion that encourages fidelity, selflessness, and other moral character traits necessary to truly care for another person.” Or did you stop at Christian and automatically assume all Christians are like your wife?

          Don’t get me wrong here, I’m not letting all the Christian churches off the hook either as a lot of them have been tainted for years by the foul stench of feminism as well. And it won’t correct itself until people realize that feminism itself, like many other popular “isms,” is a dangerous secular replacement for a proper religion. Still, I hold that someone who truly believes in what they claim to believe in will be better off than the ones who tout a religion as making them a better person, which seems to be the case with your wife, and many others I’m sure.

          And hey, for all I know she could just be blowing smoke up our behinds with this point but I give the benefit of the doubt because deep down I still maintain the hope that returning to more faithful principles can still save society yet. Remember, hope is not lost until we choose to abandon it.

          Little Big Dave

          April 9, 2013 at 6:14 pm

          • Agreed, but the problem here is someone saying they believe in Christian principals and actually doing it without hiding behind it and actually, behind a smoke screen of bullshit, not believing in Christian principals at all. Those that actually believe, I agree would be a better bet but it’s finding one that does that’s hard. Most of these women, I believe, are blowing smoke and using this to find a guy that has all these beliefs so he can be used as a lifetime payer. Society isn’t returning to normal anytime soon, not until the laws change and allow an even playing field.

            John

            June 19, 2013 at 6:31 am

  24. This is good.lol.all true

    paul

    April 9, 2013 at 12:06 am

  25. I’ll tell you my story that I am going through right now. I married a woman who already had one child for several ill advised and illogical reasons. Probably the biggest reason was because I have a provider-protector personality and tend to try to lead in times of trouble.

    I married this woman because it seemed she had just had a bad run of luck in life. She came from a good Christian home. Her parents (at least her dad) was a good person. Her story was that her previous child came as a result of being raped (an almost certain lie given her behavior afterwards, but something I did not know at the time). I am a natural decision maker and an alpha male. She did not make decisions, procrastinated, was not a critical thinker, etc. In spite of all this she seemed to have a good heart. And she seemed to not mind my making the bulk of decisions, which came natural to me.

    We were married for almost three years, and had one child together when I found out she had been regularly cheating on me. There was one steady guy, who she would go screw under the guise of “going out with the girls.” There were other one night stands at bars that I also found out about. I would always be watching her son and our son as a favor to her when she would go out to do this, because I figured it would be valuable for her to spend time with her girl friends. I had no idea she was screwing around on me.

    And she never worked one day while we were married. Not one day of one job. She never contributed anything financially.

    It was a girl friend of her’s that finally blew the whistle on the whole thing (my wife admitted all of it). We tried to work things out for the sake of our common child. We were going to separate with her going to live with family in another state for awhile, but one day she literally refused to leave; so she stayed. She moved back in from a local friends house after about three weeks and things seemed to be getting better. There was an incident where her son (my former step son) got in trouble at school for the third time in a week. I had warned him after the second time that he would be spanked three times if he were to get in trouble again. The wife heard this and had agreed to this course of action. Well, when he got in trouble again, he was spanked three times with the wife’s blessing, Open hand, very reasonable. Several days later some mild bruises started to form on his butt from the spanking. She took this and ran with it. She went down to the liberals at child services and filed an abuse claim. The liberals in child services contacted local law enforcement and I was investigated and interviewed for “battery on a child.” I was acquitted of course, but it was a preemptive strike to kick off a divorce filing. She also got a restraining order against me for the incident. We saw the judge two weeks later and she boldly said in court that she would drop the restraining order if I would let her move out of state to live with her parents. I really had no choice in the matter….I had to have the restraining order dropped or risk losing my job.

    Rather than me divorcing her for for being an unfaithful wife, through this action she changed the argument to read “We’re getting divorced because he abused my son.” She was able to move over 1000 miles away to make any awkwardness of her multiple affairs a distant memory. My compassion was turned and used against me in the worst possible way. I know it shouldn’t matter in a no fault divorce state, but so far I have been losing the financial battle big time. She hired the most aggressive divorce lawyer in our town and half of my bank account has been awarded to her by the judge. I have been inexplicably forced to pay her car insurance and cell phone bills (luxuries not necessities) in addition to child support of course. She is trying to get half of the equity in the house even though the purchase of the house was made possibly entirely by me putting 20% down from my private bank account that existed before we were married. The court does not seemed concerned about any of this. I was told by my lawyer that it would be a waste of time to even bring up her unfaithfulness. And she continues to portray herself as the victim. She has since moved in with her parents in a different state. And she makes it very difficult to see my son through skype, lack of pictures, etc. And of course there is nothing I can do about it.

    So I look forward to paying about 25% of my income as child support for the next 17 years and have almost no say in when I get to see my son, who lives over 1000 miles away. All because I tried to “fix” a problem of a woman who did a masterful job of portraying herself as a victim. I’m sure she will do the same thing to the next guy to come along.

    Countdown to Extinction

    April 9, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    • Sorry dude,

      Most men don’t talk about our hardships until it bites our assess. My wife did a similar thing to me. Divorce should be simple and easy. It’s nothing but a way to place dollars in the attorney’s hand and pay the judicial system. Maybe we can elect a strong official that allows immediate divorce, but that is considered against family. I think the one year wait promotes domestic violence for females and males.

      MB

      April 20, 2013 at 2:11 am

  26. Wow, I just so happened to come across this blog, and as a woman, I did not know that many men have gone through these sort of problems. I do agree that there are many women that are selfish and truly evil so I can understand some of the rage but there are men that are predators as well. We live in a fucked up society where both men and women are evil and stupid and enjoy hurting one another. It is true that the legal system does favor women and men should take steps to protect themselves. However, anyone with money should protect themselves, even women, since I just had two female friends that had to give alimony to their ex-husbands, rare but true. I work in hospital administration and I make really good money and have always dated men who made less than me, so I would never consider marriage since it is unrealistic and might threaten my financial security. Why do people have to get married if both partners agree to be committed to each other? I have always been a tomboy and was raised by my father who helped me appreciate financial matters, to save money and not to spend it like water. Women have to be honest with themselves on what they want, we cannot demand respect if we act like whores and gold diggers. If I am unhappy with a man, I simply leave the relationship alone, not drag him through court and ruin his life forever. I know it is rare, but I do not desire children or marriage since most of my friends, both male and female, are unhappy in their married lives. Marriage scares the shit out of me. The only reason a successful person would want marriage is to simply use their partner for something, whether that purpose is financial or personal.

    Anonymous

    April 11, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    • I believe that there is no benefit for a man to marry. What is the purpose? I’m married and forced to stay in it because my wife will not work. I was the fool who worked 3 and 4 jobs while she stayed home on face book and had several affairs. Men please listen to me, if you visit your states child support web site, you can calculate what you are in for. Children are beautiful because they are part of you. Pay some one for artificial insemination, you’ll come out cheaper without headaches in the long run. When you marry, sex is less and on her terms only as it is when you are single, porn is better, believe me. Find a woman who has her own, date her exclusively but don’t marry her or get her pregnant……Please

      MB

      April 20, 2013 at 12:12 am

  27. I couldn’t agree more. I love you.

    Anonymous

    April 12, 2013 at 8:38 am

    • thank you, you save my life. in Most of the western countries is happening.

      Anonymous

      April 18, 2013 at 4:30 am

  28. blimey are comments still being accepted on this post? Its getting bloody boring now!!!

    marlimba

    April 18, 2013 at 1:13 pm

  29. This is absolutely on the money! Finally, a man has the courage to stand up and say it like it is! It is a known biological fact that men are designed to have as many partners as possible and women are designed to select the best partner possible therefore marriage is only good for the female. You are absolutely right about the comments on men who cheat they are labeled as liars and scum but when a woman cheats she was the victim of a predatory man. Nothing is ever said about the fact that she is in control of how wide she chooses to open her legs…its her choice!…she made the commitment!…she stood up in front of everyone and said she would be faithful! Feminists will not be happy until every man is a cockhold and men are subservient to their every whim. It is time for men to unite and reclaim their dignity!

    pa

    April 19, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    • Oh calm the fuck down, not all feminists want to see men “stripped of their dignity”. There’s double standards with men AND with women, it will never be entirely fair on all fronts Not to say that money is a very big factor in marriage, but I don’t think it’s such a big reason to avoid it. If you really don’t want to get married, don’t! But if you love a woman and would like to marry her, money shouldn’t get in the way of that; that’s a very materialistic view on things. I married my husband because I love him and he loves me. We have very few monetary issues, and I dote on him as much as he dotes on me. I REFUSE to let him treat me like some princess giving me expensive things I do not need. Of course you can have any opinion you want, it’s your right to, but don’t generalize so much. This essay argues against some generalizations against men…but then generalizes against women in some instances. Hypocrisy took away from the interesting point of this essay for me.

      Anonymous

      May 4, 2013 at 3:01 pm

      • More shaming language from a so-called “happily married” woman. You have no idea how this really makes you look, do you?

        Little Big Dave

        May 4, 2013 at 5:05 pm

      • You heard her boys, we need to all calm the fuck down and listen to her speak because we all don’t know what we are talking about. We are all too stupid to think for ourselves and if we open our mouths, we will only get ourselves in trouble. After all, women are always right and it is always our fault. Seriously boys, lets not upset any women again or we might just end up living outside in the street sidewalk with all our life possessions confiscated. We should all be grateful that her highness is being so merciful to us all. Long live the woman.

        armycommando

        May 5, 2013 at 4:58 am

  30. I want all of my brothers to look at this before you make the leap of faith to the slaughterhouse. By the way, exactly five years ago today was when I married my ex-wife. It has been a very expensive and heart-breaking education.

    This is the list of the most expensive divorce settlements in recorded history. Notice that MOST of the mega million lotto winners are……women?

    Rupert Murdoch’s divorce from Anna Murdoch; estimated at $1.7 billion

    Bernie Ecclestone’s divorce from Slavica; estimated at $1-$1.2 billion

    Adnan Khashoggi’s divorce from Soraya Khashoggi; estimated at $850 million

    Craig McCaw’s divorce from Wendy McCaw; estimated to exceed $460 million

    Mel Gibson’s divorce from Robyn Moore Gibson; estimated at $425 million

    Roman Abramovich’s divorce from Irina Abramovich; estimated at $300 million

    Michael Jordan’s divorce from Juanita Jordan; estimated at $168 million

    Boris Berezovsky’s divorce from Galina Besharova; estimated at $160 million

    Neil Diamond’s divorce from Marcia Murphey; estimated at $150 million

    Frank McCourt’s divorce from Jamie McCourt; estimated at $131 million

    Garth Brooks’ divorce from Sandy Mahl; estimated at $125 million

    Charles Edgar Fipke’s divorce from Marlene Fipke; estimated at $123 million

    Greg Norman’s divorce from Laura Andrassy; estimated at $103 million

    Tiger Woods’ divorce from Elin Nordegren; estimated at $100 million

    Steven Spielberg’s divorce from Amy Irving; estimated at $100 million

    Madonna’s divorce from Guy Ritchie; estimated at $76-$92 million

    Harrison Ford’s divorce from Melissa Mathison; estimated at $85 million

    Kevin Costner’s divorce from Cindy Silva; estimated at $80 million

    Kenny Rogers divorce from Marianne Rogers; estimated at $60 million

    Kelsey Grammer’s divorce from Camille Grammer; estimated at $60 million

    James Cameron’s divorce from Linda Hamilton; estimated at $50 million

    Paul McCartney’s divorce from Heather Mills; estimated at $48.6 million

    Michael Douglas’ divorce from Diandra Douglas; estimated at $45 million

    Ted Danson’s divorce from Casey Coats; estimated at $30 million

    Donald Trump’s divorce from Ivana Trump; estimated at $25 million

    Lionel Richie’s divorce from Diane Richie; estimated at $20 million

    Johnny Carson’s divorce from Joanna Holland; estimated at $20 million

    Mick Jagger’s divorce from Jerry Hall; estimated between $15 and $25 million

    armycommando

    April 26, 2013 at 6:30 pm

  31. Things are different in countries like India.
    Here 90% women are of the type “SEX-ONLY-AFTER-MARRIAGE”. The rest all things that you have said applies to Indian marriages too. In-fact know that some things are worse. Like I don’t think Indian courts honors a prenuptial. Indian weddings cost more than a house. All the people I know that got married were virgins. So you do not even get a test drive before you buy.
    The only option now is to look for prostitutes. But basic google-ing will give you information that 50% of prostitutes in mumbai have Aids. Bah…

    bakraarkab

    May 4, 2013 at 8:16 am

  32. This article has a lot of good points but at the same time is too emotionally charged to remain 100% rational. The end conclusion the author states is valid that marriage in the olden days were meant to unify political power and financial resources and if there was love in the mix, that was probably a good thing too. Successful marriages now, regardless of where the couple is from, should still be based on those stipulations. There is absolutely no reason to get married for “love” unless people want the divorce rate to keep going higher. The only women who marry strictly for “love” are the ones who want the lifestyle the author is describing. Love for these types of women are the “if you don’t do this, then you don’t love me” type of relationship profiles. The only thing they have as barter is love and sex, and then later the law. There are plenty of Western women who do not marry strictly based on love because they are educated, have money, and do not want some guy free-loading off them. The only reason for a woman to marry in this case if she wants to start a family. When that time comes, she will look for a man who is her equal. When a man does not marry his equal in terms of financial resources/power resources, it is his own fault. He may have been attracted to her wife’s beauty, sweet talking, etc. but those things fade over time. For the sake of kids, both people coming into a marriage need to be able to provide emotionally and financially for the family.

    Rainbows and Sprinkles

    May 10, 2013 at 6:53 am

    • Thats a croc no woman with resources is going to marry equal. All women marry up.While men are lucky get anybody resources or not.

      steppped on

      May 10, 2013 at 4:49 pm

      • Actually, you’re right. I am a woman with advanced degrees, a good career, investments from my own money (that I earned and saved myself with no male help), and very soon, a sizable inheritance. Why would I marry any man who wasn’t my equal intellectually and/or financially? Besides having assets to protect, I would want a man with whom I can communicate with, who is intellectually stimulating, creative, and unique. In addition, I’ve kept up my looks through proper diet, exercise, sunscreen, and a general healthy way of living. I would never accept just any man who showed an interest in me, because I’d not know his motivation for being interested.

        If you’re bitter because you can’t get a woman, then your standards are too high for the type of person you are.

        ._.

        May 11, 2013 at 9:24 am

        • Nice message,so lets see here,your doing good and have assets, it sounds like you are probably attractive.
          If a man was interested in you and a relationship started would he be the one basically financing the relationship even though you are equals, since he initiated everything?Eventually grinding his pay check down,at this point he would look weak or inferior compared to other men who are not foolishly spending money on you,things get worse because he has spent thousands on you to keep your interest level up,unless of course he is playing you and has other women,and I suppose these type of men dont spend money on women because you are chasing them,anyway back to the schmuck like most of us men end up, he desperately wants to keep you making himself look even weaker,finding a woman is hard and expensive,
          Now you cant wait do get away from this moron, and you feel even more empowered because this idiot blew his money on you,He gets dumped and your on with someone else hell within hours,hes crushed devastated
          broke and alone, not olny that his self esteem and self cofidence is shot so getting with another women is practically imposible unless she wants to just use him,so the afore mentioned scenario starts all over again. Unless he educated on all this like The System he could end up in this misery. Does any of this sound familiar?

          steppped o

          May 11, 2013 at 8:34 pm

          • You do tend to make generalizations about me, and you don’t even know me. Keep posting in this manner. You’re an example of the type of man I would have nothing to do with, and I’d make that clear from the beginning.

            ._.

            May 12, 2013 at 2:01 pm

            • Sounds very much like the infamous “Princeton Mom’s” advice – get married to another Princeton grad while she can, because only the best will do. She’s a 10, and deserves a 10 in return.

              My ex felt that on that scale, she was better than me, could have done better than me, and that was on her looks and poise alone. She never let me forget it, either. Nothing was ever enough. Her life did not turn out like she planned, however, and she overplayed her hand.

              To be sure: It’s offensive to hear “I’m so much better than the rest of you” coming from someone who likely counts herself an educated, enlightened liberal feminist as well.

              Can you hear the contempt? He won’t be able to keep up a conversation? Reverse the genders here, and think of what a jackass you’d consider a man who said that. I may have missed something in the post, but I’m glad I don’t work with you.

              I have some college, and I work as a network engineer. I worked as an Intelligence analyst, I’m fairly well read, etc. I’m quite sure you would not give me the time of day or a second glance, but I’m equally certain that you’d be slighted if I didn’t extend whatever deference you feel you’re entitled to.

              You want a billionaire to sweep you off your feet. Regardless of how awesome you are, why would he take the risk? The level that you’re looking at, you’ll be needing to bring a pedigree to the table, not just skills, a nice figure, and good conversation. He has people like that working for him already, and women like you chasing him as well.

              Then again, why would a young man with assets and the intangibles you mentioned take a risk with you? Clearly, if he’s your peer, but just starting out, he’s going to be aware that you’d dump him the moment his balance sheet (including intangibles) became a second to you, or anyone else who decided to try and charm you with their own balance sheet.

              See the above post for how expensive a marriage is for well to do men, even with spouses that have their own means of support. (Armycommando April 26, 2013 )

              I can see your point. Why would you invest in someone who’s not bringing as much to the table? Black women face an interesting and similar dilemma as well: College educated, non-felon black men are far and few between, and are in demand – so few (successful black men) are interested in taking a risk re: marriage.

              Here’s an interesting counter question – why should the courts reward someone who arbitrarily terminated the relationship, or reward someone who’s not only the bad actor in the partnership, but brought very little to the table? A change in both the perception of men’s value as human beings, instead of wallets, and a desire to stop helping women who don’t need it, would go a long way to changing the mercenary dynamic of family court.

              There’s an article regarding “Alpha Women, Beta Men” – successful women, by and large, resent their relationships with men who have not achieved as much, and/or are not as driven.

              Even Senator Kerry takes crap for latching onto Theresa Heinz. She didn’t build the fortune, but she’s perceived has having something to do with maintaining it. If it wasn’t for her money and contacts, Kerry would not have the political career he does.

              Interesting dilemma you have. All rancor aside, good luck with that.

              Wayne

              May 12, 2013 at 2:49 pm

              • Wayne,

                I’ve seen you post here before (I lurk here, I admit it), and it’s always the same thing. Always, “Boohoo, my ex-treated me bad, and now I think all women are like her.” Seriously sir, it’s starting to get old.

                If you’re offended because of what I previously posted, then oh well, too bad. Would you prefer I lie and say how I’d accept any man in my life, no matter how ignorant, uneducated, ill-mannered, or stupid he was? Truth of the matter is, I need somebody who is an intellectual equal. Would I look down with “contempt,” (as you state), on some man who couldn’t keep up a conversation? No, because I’d not let such a man approach me for an extended period of time. An ignorant man with a smart woman is just as ludicrous as a smart man with a stupid woman. What would he see in her other than sex? And as we all know, you can’t base a long term relationship only on sex. They have to complement each other in many ways, with sex being only a part of the equation.

                You are right about well educated Black women. They have a terrible time finding an educated Black man as a partner. You seem to forget that many successful Black men go after White women as some sort of trophy partner.

                More generalizations, without knowing anything about me. More stereotyping, same old, same old. Truly, it gets old fast.

                You’re absolutely correct about one thing: I’d never give you the time of day or a second glance, and it’s because of your attitude. I can smell an angry, bitter man a mile away, and I stay far away from your kind. You’re also divorced, and you have kids, I presume. You have serious baggage, and divorce + kids are a deal breaker for me. I would never get involved with somebody like you. You could be a billionaire (your word, not mine), and I’d not give you any chance. Rancor, anger, and bitterness don’t agree with me.

                ._.

                May 12, 2013 at 3:57 pm

                • You bring a new dimension to the contempt for men that women have, that’s for certain. Regardless of who you’d partner up with, if they’re as “smart” as you are, they will notice your contempt for other ‘lesser’ people, and either they’ll have the integrity and foresight to dump you, or they’re cut from the same cloth, and you’ll get *exactly* what you deserve from it.

                  What my ex did was beyond the typical, but I divorced her, and that’s (finally) done. It’s taken longer than a decade to get a final decision, but I’m done. I bring it up to show that the original poster’s illustration of women and their perspective of men, marriage and entitlement is not rare, and to warn people of the legal and extrajudicial problems that can occur.

                  What’s more important than what my ex did is what our supposedly impartial justice system did, or rather, didn’t do. That’s the original poster’s second warning – the court system is biased, and of the opinion that women are defenseless, pitiful creatures (when they want to be), and no matter what she’s done, she’s not the one at fault. The system does NOT protect people (men, mostly) who do the right thing, it punishes them. But “equality before the law” isn’t the point you’re concerned with – you already know your advantage in that arena, and securing legal counsel, or exploiting the courts isn’t really going to be a concern for you.

                  For what it’s worth: I wasn’t referring to “now” as having you not give me a second glance, I was referring in a general sense to someone ‘like me’ in an earlier time, sans baggage and obligations, long before I became aware of the national sport of misandry and how biased our court system is. I don’t hold it against anyone who wants to find someone in a similar situation – no kids, no exes, no ‘complications’. Life is just easier that way, I get it. However, you take it to an extreme. You’ve really commodified your future partner, moreso than the women that the original poster was referring to.

                  I think I can pretty much stop before getting to know you any further. I don’t know you, and I don’t *want* to know you, other than to keep clear of you. I’d never put my children at that kind of risk, if nothing else. I wouldn’t want my kids seeing someone treat their father with that kind of contempt, either – they might think it’s an acceptable way to treat another human being.

                  Yes, I’m a custodial parent. I spend a few years and a college education in attorney fees, just to be considered a competent parent, and THEN had to fight for custody. Yet another of the original poster’s warnings – men are considered, by default, to be a danger to children.

                  That brings up another issue – women piss and moan that other men won’t accept single mothers (of other men’s kids), which is largely untrue. Women are worse about rejecting a potential partner that has children, and a custodial father is, like you said, a ‘deal breaker’. Regardless of how well a man does as a father, and instead of using it as an indicator of how good of a parent they might be to their future children, how well they can balance work and family, have a disciplined budget, manage a household on their own, women would rather find some one who’s capital they can monopolize. It doesn’t match the fairytale they grew up with. Another double standard that women have.

                  Just as you claim to be able to “smell” angry men, I can “smell” a woman who has nothing but contempt for men. She is very easy to spot. This *is* what a feminist looks like, after all. Smug, self righteous, self important snob is a deal breaker for me, and I don’t care what you look like, or what your intellectual portfolio looks like.

                  Yes, even us bitter men understand that there’s more than sex to a relationship – most of us knew that going into a relationship. It doesn’t take an ivy league degree to know that. It also doesn’t take an ivy league degree to hold up one’s end of a conversation. I’ve met plenty of people with a degree that aren’t worth the money their parents spent on it. The only thing the degree proved is that they could regurgitate the crap that another grad student lectured them on. As far as I’m concerned, a ‘degree’ is about as useful as a pedigree, and only matters to the same people a pedigree would for the same contemptible reason.

                  Generalizations? You’ve generalized every man you’ve ever met. Whatever man you end up with is going to be, at best, a disposable bauble. Who’s looking for a trophy spouse?

                  Wayne

                  May 12, 2013 at 6:54 pm

                  • Too bad if you don’t like my post, but i stand by everything I’ve said.
                    You’re a custodial parent? Good for you. But I’m child free. i don’t have children, and I’ve never wanted them. If I’ve never wanted to birth my own kids, why on earth would I get involved with ANY man who has kids, let alone a custodial parent? I have NO interest in being somebody’s stepmother. I have NO interest on spending my hard-earned income on somebody else’s kids, thank you very much. I have my nieces and nephews for that, if I so choose. You seem to think that because you have kids, that makes you something special. You’re not special. You’re just some guy with baggage, and that baggage is a bitter divorce and kids. No thanks, I would steer far away from you. A single mother, with her own kids, can have you. You can have The Brady Bunch life. I’ll take traveling to Europe instead.

                    This so-called evil, feminist would tell you straight up front that she wasn’t interested. See, I’d not use you, or try to get anything from you. I’d see you, see your baggage, your attitude, your rancor, and I’d walk away from you immediately. Men of your kind just aren’t worth it. But you go ahead, stereotype me, generalize me, because I wouldn’t get into a relationship with a man with whom I had nothing in common with, because I wouldn’t lower my standards. I’ve met men like you in the past (years ago), and I always walked away from them, watching them throw a hissy fit because i wasn’t interested.

                    Same old, same old, only now it’s on the internet.

                    -.-

                    May 15, 2013 at 2:20 pm

                    • Wayne and most the guys here are good guys. Like all good guys here, they’ve been screwed up the asshole in the divorce court as well as their self-esteem from a loving Western woman such as yourself. The business of marriage has become synonymous with playing Russian roulette. You just don’t know when the Western woman is going to pull the trigger and blow your fucking head off and take every Goddamn thing you own while leaving the poor bastard dying alone in the cold.

                      armycommando

                      May 15, 2013 at 3:45 pm

                    • Not all Western women screw people over. And, I refuse to be lumped in with people looking for a free ride, because that is not my way. A good guy wouldn’t generalize all women as being one way because of how he was treated in the past.

                      -.-

                      May 15, 2013 at 4:02 pm

        • I just wanted to mention one more thing is that she was attually very attracted and liked him before he started to try and please her or Make Her Happy.What ever the hell that means!

          steppped o

          May 11, 2013 at 8:52 pm

        • Well said — and without rancour either. I completely agree with you. A woman in your position has freedom from want, has oodles of options for the rest of her life and why would you or anyone like you settle for less than you desire?
          The same goes for men. If they’re smart they’ll decide what they want in a woman and shop for that and hope that it all works out well, i.e., both end up happy with what they’ve found in each other. There should be no sacrifices whatsoever in any of this. Last thing I’d want is some woman hanging around me only because she feels sorry for me. Pity is an awful emotion.
          I’m selective too and tend to seek women that want me for their own selfish pleasure.

          Bill D

          May 12, 2013 at 2:17 am

        • this merely confirms that women’s standards are quite different from men’s. In a sense, you risk ‘pricing yourself out of the market’. Keep in mind, the men that you consider a ‘good match’ are also considered desirable by a large section of the female population. For men, success, and accreditation, including financial independence, are not particularly important in terms of what they find desirable in a woman. (some of the individuals posting here might disagree with the ‘financial independence’ part but that is likely due to concerns about women leeching off men). Essentially, youth and beauty drive male desire.

          So, you are competing with young and attractive women for the same men. It is not critical for men to find an ‘equal’ intellectually or financially – this doesn’t drive most men. In effect, you have greatly reduced the pool of potential candidates. Men, in the same position as you (successful, healthy and attractive) greatly widen their pool of candidates.

          It’s not a criticism, simply an interesting sociological observation about the options, conscious or otherwise, available to the sexes when the conditions are similar (by contrast, men on the lower rungs have considerably fewer options…the same does not apply to women – unless they are older and unattractive).

          This is not going to change – in spite of massive efforts. It does speak to the view that a woman should spend her most important time (in terms of desirability to the opposite sex). Postponing serious relationships and marriage for a career is very detrimental to a woman’s chances of ‘snagging’ the most desirable men as these men have huge options.

          apollyon911

          May 12, 2013 at 6:37 am

          • Well, I would say that it depends on the woman. A woman without the assets or career I have would have different priorities when looking for a man.

            I do agree with much of what you say. The so-called “desirable men,” are desired by many, many women, and that’s completely normal. In general, most men do prefer youth and beauty, and that’s fine.

            However, you’re assuming that I would put a high priority on finding a man. Before I go on, I will say that I am in a committed, long term relationship with a man who is exactly my financial and intellectual equal. No, it certainly was NOT easy meeting men, because I had high standards. I refused to lower my standards because I knew I could never be happy if i did that. Since divorce was not something I wanted, I just assumed I would live alone my entire life, and I was fine with that. I had a full life filled with culture, music, art, and books. That’s when he came along. He was attracted by my mind, and by my looks (he didn’t know about my assets for a long time), and is exactly like me in terms of music, culture, art,, etc..

            You are right about men on the lower rungs. They get the dregs of the women: no education, no ambition, no class, and just looking for a guy as a sperm donor. However, they’re not exactly desirable either, as they don’t seem to want to do anything to better their own condition in life.

            Please don’t assume that all women want men, marriage, and babies. There are lots of us who are very happy to put career first, as it’s what makes us happy. If a man comes along that we can make a life with, then great. If not, then we’re perfectly happy living alone, with a life filled with whatever is fulfilling, whether it be music, art, books, travel, languages, gardening, etc..

            You wrote in a very honest, non-judgemental way, and I can appreciate that, especially when you read some of the posts here, and how angry the posters are.

            ._.

            May 12, 2013 at 4:22 pm

            • Sweetheart, I am so proud of you for finally finding your financial and intellectual equal in a man. You deserve only the best and you should never settle for just any man especially since you worked so hard to make yourself so attractive as a woman.

              Please excuse Wayne because he is just another bitter divorced man who doesn’t really know what he is talking about and he is only speaking through is anger like all the men in here. None of the men here are as smart as you are and not nearly as attractive as you are. None of us will stand a chance to be your financial and intellectual equal. You are above us all in every facet of life. We are nothing but poor and ignorant fools so please just kindly leave these worthless souls alone and continue to keep on living your wonderful life with your financial and intellectual equal man that you have finally found happily ever after.

              armycommando

              May 12, 2013 at 11:48 pm

            • It sounds like you beat the odds and know it. Not bad. You are correct about men on the lower rungs, but i don’t think the ‘dregs of the women’ are necessarily as such due to lack of ambition and lack of class. Ambition, particularly career-wise, tends to be mainly a male thing. Yes, there are plenty of ambitious women, but a) they are relatively rare and b) they tend to be ‘ambitious’ when young (and aren’t often willing to do what it takes to succeed in a demanding career – HR and Marketing don’t count). Assuming these men get women at all, they are either ‘used up’ (not going to bother defining that one) or physically very unappealing.

              By lower rung, i don’t think it means men with zero ambition (‘not wanting to do anything to better their own condition in life’) but rather men who haven’t met women’s expectations. These same men would have been acceptable, to a minor degree, 50 years ago. If they were gainfully employed they stood a chance of appealing to some woman somewhere (not a hotty but ‘ok’). However, now that women earn their own living, the ‘beta male provider’ is not particularly interesting. He has to have something more.

              My advice to most of these guys would seem counter-intuitive to my parents: get thee to a gym. Get rid of the anger (not particularly appealing to women), learn some game. Believe it or not, this will make them far more attractive than simply trying to improve themselves economically.

              Re: not all women want marriage and babies. Very true, but this is very much the minority. Between the ages of 30 and 50 only 8% of women indicated they didn’t want to marry, vs 27% of men. (i’ll find the study if you would like to see it). So, overall, the majority of women clearly do want marriage and babies. You indicate this was not a high priority for you however you also indicate you did meet a quality man and it was not easy. This suggests it was more of a priority than you are willing to admit. I’m glad you were happy when alone, as there is nothing worse than a woman looking for a man to be the sole source of future happiness.

              In the end, due to drastic changes in society over the last 50 years, the ‘beta male’ (regular guy) has paid a high (and unfair) price. He has gone from being ‘not bad’ to either ‘no way’ or ‘not now’ – there is bitterness yes. It has to be understood. I think for their own health, these guys will have to do their best to shake it and simply try a different tack. They don’t have to marry women, esp. if their best options are ‘used up’, but they can certainly increase their options with a few life changes.

              apollyon911

              May 13, 2013 at 5:34 am

    • Spent Mother’s Day crying and alone on the couch too, I see? Decided to come back and fabricate your “perfect relationship” yet again as a means to take your lonely frustrations out on everyone here? I’m guessing we can look forward to this every time one of the Hallmark holidays finds you still sobbing and alone, bitter and resentful of all men. Your sock puppet show may be fooling or even entertaining some of the guys here but I see right through you.

      (Cue angry rant negating all previous attempts at sounding “educated” and “sophisticated”)

      Little Big Dave

      May 12, 2013 at 5:17 pm

      • Actually I was gardening all day. Must be hard to be you, always bitter, angry and full of rancor. Too bad for you, I guess.

        ._.

        May 12, 2013 at 6:48 pm

        • I smell a troll.

          Wayne

          May 12, 2013 at 7:08 pm

          • So do I, the same one who comes around every time Valentine’s Day, Mother’s Day, or any other Hallmark card event leaves her bitterly pining for the presents she thinks she deserves. So she figures men like us are the ones keeping her from the lackey husband she deserves, and fabricates this perfect life with the ultimate husband as a means of attempting to shame us all.

            She does it after EVERY Hallmark holiday! Be it Christmas, Valentines Day, Mother’s Day, you name it. I know this pattern. I knew another sociopath like this when I was in my teens, who even went so far as to “borrow” her cousin’s baby and drive around town telling everyone it was hers.

            Little Big Dave

            May 13, 2013 at 6:12 am

            • You and Wayne should get together, you two make a perfect couple: rancor, and bitterness. No wonder you either can’t find a good woman (as in Wayne), or in your case, you have to go South of the Border, Down Mexico Way (hint, hint) to find any woman that would have anything to do with you. Have fun generalizing and trying to stereotype us. You’re what we don’t like.

              -.-

              May 15, 2013 at 3:48 pm

              • I served and protected you so that you can have the freedom of speech to say these things to good men. If you want to experience what a bad man is, please go ahead and live in Afghanistan and Iraq as a woman or most parts of this world. You will not think of Wayne and Dave the same way ever again.

                armycommando

                May 15, 2013 at 3:57 pm

                • Thank you for your service to our country.

                  Good men don’t say the things that Dave says.

                  -.-

                  May 15, 2013 at 4:14 pm

                  • and good women don’t come on sites like this to make up some bullshit romantic scenario hoping to shame other men. I still say your whole story is BS. Again, after every major Hallmark holiday we see you follow this same pattern. You really think we’re not on to you?

                    Little Big Dave

                    May 15, 2013 at 8:03 pm

                    • You’ve just proved my point. Now, go to your illegal immigrant girlfriend.

                      -.-

                      May 16, 2013 at 1:39 pm

                    • “illegal immigrant girlfriend” – yup, I figured it was you. Still bitter that I upped my security settings so you can’t diddle yourself to my pics any more? Since you have revealed I was right about who you are, I can only follow that I must also be right that you’re bitter about every Hallmark holiday you spend alone.

                      Little Big Dave

                      May 16, 2013 at 5:25 pm

                    • Actually, I haven’t looked in a LONG time, because I really don’t care. As much as you’d like to believe otherwise, I really don’t care. However, maybe I should go take a look, so I can laugh at you again. using my fake FB account, of course.

                      Anonymous

                      May 17, 2013 at 1:04 pm

                    • “Actually, I haven’t looked in a LONG time, because I really don’t care. As much as you’d like to believe otherwise, I really don’t care. However, maybe I should go take a look, so I can laugh at you again. using my fake FB account, of course.”

                      Good luck with that. Security has been upped on my profile. And by the way, I think you mean cry since you know I’m on to your pathetic BS about your “perfect marriage.”

                      Want something to laugh at? Go look in the mirror. Because as perfect as you think you are, you are still obviously desperately and pathetically alone, so much so that you keep coming back here begging for acceptance.

                      Little Big Dave

                      May 17, 2013 at 7:40 pm

                    • What part of I.Don’t.Care are you having trouble understanding? No wonder Renton called you Butt-hurt Dave.

                      Idiot.

                      -.-

                      May 18, 2013 at 4:15 pm

                    • “What part of I.Don’t.Care are you having trouble understanding? No wonder Renton called you Butt-hurt Dave.”

                      For someone who doesn’t care you sure do spend a lot of time defending yourself. Butthurt? Pot, meet kettle!

                      Twat.

                      Little Big Dave

                      May 18, 2013 at 5:03 pm

                  • You’re welcome.

                    I encourage you, go and travel alone to anywhere that is not U.S. or U.K and E.U. influenced. Live there for a few months if you dare. The reality is that most Western women’s ideologies of what it ought to be goes flying out the window once you exit out of the Western hemisphere which is heavily protected predominantly by your Western men. Western women of today are able to have freedom and equality because Western men allowed it and protected you from the dark reality of this world.

                    armycommando

                    May 16, 2013 at 2:24 am

              • More shaming language I see. Nicely played, NOT. Your arguments are paper thin, no matter how “educated” you try to make them sound. If you’re so “happily married” to such the “ultimate man(gina)” then why do you even feel the need to make your case here anyway?

                Little Big Dave

                May 15, 2013 at 8:06 pm

              • Good men don’t speak the truth? Somehow I’m sure in your fucked up twisted feminist world view that is true.

                Little Big Dave

                May 15, 2013 at 8:11 pm

                • Just because YOU say something is true don’t make it so.

                  Pardon me while I laugh at you now.

                  -.-

                  May 16, 2013 at 1:40 pm

                  • No, it isn’t true just because I say it. I say it because it’s true. Learn the difference between cause and effect, will ya?

                    Little Big Dave

                    May 16, 2013 at 5:28 pm

        • Crying on your couch scarfing bon bons does not equal gardening, sorry.

          Little Big Dave

          May 13, 2013 at 5:51 am

          • Bonbons are your specialty, I think….

            -.-

            May 15, 2013 at 3:02 pm

            • No, exposing cunts who are full of shit is. Thanks for playing though!

              Little Big Dave

              May 15, 2013 at 8:03 pm

              • When you can’t win, call people names.

                Same old, same old.

                -.-

                May 16, 2013 at 1:41 pm

                • “Win?” Win what? Is that a confession that you are just playing games here? Oh silly me! If that doesn’t prove your masturbatory fantasy about your perfect marriage, nothing else does!

                  Little Big Dave

                  May 16, 2013 at 5:22 pm

        • For a “good woman,” you sure do spend a lot of time trying to sell yourself here. No good married woman does that, sorry.

          Little Big Dave

          May 15, 2013 at 8:16 pm

  33. Did you not know? All women who have grand lives come here just to prove there lives are grand in hopes to make all men feel bad rubbing it in there face. The thing these women do not get is that most men here know how women work and that 99% of them are liars and manipulators. Yes! a woman that has it all and just happens to come across this blog to prove there worth that in reality is only equal to that of a used up,dried up prune.I do not think she was gardening at all unless she was playing farmville..

    runb4itstolate

    May 14, 2013 at 9:25 am

  34. I did beat the odds, and I know it. For that I’m very grateful. It’s wonderful to come home every evening from work (I work in academia) to a “nerdy” man who reads science, classical literature, etc. and revels in it! :) So yes, i’m very grateful that I have him, and he knows it . And, he’s younger than me by some years. But, he’s not American, and that makes the difference. It’s a question of attitude. I was in Central Europe in April, and I visited a friend that I knew from my university days. He moved back home after getting his PhD in the USA. I found it interesting that we both had the same gripes about American society, and in general, American men. Not all American men mind you, just some. But it was enough that he decided to go home and seek a career in his home country, rather than the USA. It’s something to think about…

    When I mention men on the lower rungs, I mean the young men who don’t bother to get jobs and live with their parents until their early 30′s. I mean the young men who find a young girl and get her pregnant, then wonder why their lives are messed up at such an early age. I mean the young men who don’t bother to try to get an education after high school, and wonder why life becomes very hard for them. Especially today, in 2013, i would think that young people would try to obtain as much education as possible, to do what needed to be done so as to better their chances of finding gainful employment. Life isn’t getting any easier.

    I’ll admit, i was VERY lucky in finding a good man. I can’t imagine a woman depending on a man to be her source of happiness, if you can’t make yourself happy, then how could you please a partner? Happiness is from within, find your own source of contentment, and the rest will follow.

    I don’t really think that a man should get his game on. Maybe it’s me, but i find “game” to be rather fake and phony. Wouldn’t it be better if a person show themselves as how they really are, and let the other person decide if this works for them or not?

    I appreciate your honest, polite response, especially when reading other posters. For that I thank you :)

    -.-

    May 15, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    • The odds of finding a good woman are far more difficult than finding a good man.

      armycommando

      May 15, 2013 at 6:04 pm

      • That depends on what your definition of a “good woman” is.

        -.-

        May 16, 2013 at 1:43 pm

        • C’mon folks… There’s still lots of good men and good women out there. I come across so many good gals I trip on them. Younger guys surely can find even more. Just be more selective and careful with who you camp with, that’s all.
          What interests me about this blog is the inequities built into the Western practice and understanding of marriage. I too counsel younger men to be very, very careful about getting married. If I think they don’t get that, then I just tell ‘em “Don’t marry and save yourself a lot of grief.” and “Build a career first. Join the Marines for 10 years. Work in the Canadian Arctic for another 10. Be a ‘gold seal’ heavy equipment mech and you’ll have money running out your ears.” You know…
          Anyway… lots of good people out there.

          Bill D

          May 16, 2013 at 2:14 pm

          • Sorry, I just don’t think this troll needs any more feeding. Let her go back to furiously masturbating to Twilight or 50 Shades of Grey.

            Little Big Dave

            May 16, 2013 at 5:32 pm

          • That’s right. Keep your standards high, don’t settle for somebody that you can’t be happy with, and be absolutely sure that they aren’t trying to take advantage of you.

            Children are optional, always remember that.

            -.-

            May 17, 2013 at 1:49 pm

  35. Satisfying material desires has always led to the spiritual decline of the person seeking to sate them. Why spend a life pursuing goals which are ultimately futile, in the sense that you’re trying to fill needs which by definition cannot be filled. I think the reason that women have always been “romanticized” as the weaker sex is because their absence from the world of politics, and hence their absence from the world of hypocrisy and corruption, allows for a proximity to human compassion not possible in the “real” world. Not allowing women to participate in politics allowed many men to spend time with a less morally corrupt person, without which ones sense of decency quickly begins to fade away.

    Anonymous

    May 17, 2013 at 12:48 am

  36. Every time I enter a quaint community like this one I feel as if I entered a parallel reality. The women that local inhabitants love so much to complain about are the ones who get all the attention. But then that is what you get when your main focus is a cup size.

    Anonymous

    May 17, 2013 at 4:33 pm

  37. Anonymous

    May 17, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    • Lot of chumps, dupes and marks out there.

      Bill D

      May 18, 2013 at 12:41 am

    • This is sickening. That bitch should be taken to court and have pay back all the money she stole from those guys.

      John

      June 7, 2013 at 12:11 pm

  38. The plow horse and the princess

    There once was a queen who was sovereign over a modest but prosperous queendom. On the day her daughter came of age, the Queen took her daughter aside and showed her the source of her prosperity.

    In the stables, far from prying eyes, was a broken old horse wearing a worn leather bridle with a rusty iron bit. The horse’s coat was worn thin in places, his mane falling out, his legs trembling from the effort of keeping himself standing.

    ‘He’s ready for the knackers, my daughter.’ Said the Queen matter-of-factly. ‘And there he shall go in due course.’

    ‘This is the horse that built the queendom!’ The princess said. ‘Surely he should have some sort of retirement! And a proper funeral.’

    ‘No, my daughter. You must respect his role; his role is to sacrifice for us, therefore even in death we respect his role by allowing his body to provide a last benefit. It will be the glue factory if he doesn’t live to make it to the slaughterhouse.’

    ‘Besides, it is not him that is magic. His bridle is the magic, my daughter. When you place it on a plow horse, the plow horse will be so proud to wear it and so proud that you placed it on him that he will work himself to death to fulfill your needs. It is his pride that makes the magic work; and his pride that gives it its strength.’

    With that the Queen lifted the bridle from the old horse’s head. The old horse let out a rattling cough and, trembling, knelt. After a moment even kneeling was too much for him; he lay on its side. A few moments more and his last breath shuddered his broken body like a paper doll on a string.

    The Queen watched the horse’s death with a cool detachment.

    ‘That poor horse.’ Said the princess, dabbing at her eyes with a lace kerchief. ‘He was pitiful.’

    The Queen stared at her daughter, her demeanor solemn. ‘Controlling your sentiment is the price of leadership my daughter.’ Replied the Queen. ‘Speaking of which, after you place the bridle upon a horse’s head do not let yourself want it; do not take it off him before you are done with him; above all, do not explain its true nature to him. Now, you must select the horse that will wear your bridle.’

    The Queen’s daughter took her time selecting just the right plow horse to wear the bridle. In due course she found a strong, handsome draft horse and all the queendom came to celebrate her placing the bridle upon his head in a great festival.

    The princess basked in the adoration of her people as she brought out the bridle and made to place it upon the horse’s head. But soon as the bit hit the back of his tongue, the bridle transformed from worn leather into spun gold and silver, embedded with pearls and rubies.

    The princess gasped at the sight of it and so did her people. She glanced around herself; now all eyes were no longer on her, they were on the draft horse. Resentment stirred in the princess’s heart.

    Sensing her daughter’s discomfort, the Queen interjected. ‘But lets not forget the woman behind the draft horse.’

    The gathered nobles agreed with their queen and toasted the princess’s choice.

    True to her mother’s words, when the Princess had a need, the draft horse would provide. When she felt the queendom threatened by northern barbarians, the draft horse built a castle to thwart their ambitions and led the charge to repel them.

    When the queendom was gripped with a famine and the princess felt the first stirrings of fear for herself, the draft horse pulled the plow faster and harder than any horse could because of the pride he had for his bridle.

    But the princess was not happy. She seethed silently to herself. How the plow horse was admired when he wore the bridle! People would stop and stare and remark on how strong he was and how much he had accomplished. They awarded him titles for his great deeds. And each admiring glance and handsome trophy was a dagger in the princess’s heart.

    After all it was her needs he lived to fulfill; her benefit he bowed to; her frailties he sacrificed for.

    She should have the bridle! And all the attention given him should be rightfully hers! But remembering her mother’s words, ‘don’t let yourself want it; don’t take it off him until you are done with him; and above all don’t explain its true nature to him’ the princess resisted giving in to her jealousy.

    One day a passing dignitary from another land happened to mention the beauty and majesty of the castle built by the plow horse. How wonderful it was and how ingenious the plow horse had been to build it. The plow horse preened under the dignitary’s compliments and the princess fumed. It was enough that her own people admired the plow horse; but must she bear a stranger’s admiration for the plow horse as well?

    The princess, unable to contain her anger any longer, cried out, ‘He may have built it, but he built it for me!’ And clomped from the dignitary’s presence.

    That night she went to the stable and crept to the horse’s stall. Watching him rest with the handsome bridle—surrounded by all his medals and trophies—bile rose in the princess. ‘Give the bridle to me.’

    The plow horse woke and used to giving the princess whatever she needed, dutifully allowed her to grab hold of the bridle.

    ‘Stupid horse, I let you wear this bridle, but it was always mine. I just used it to control you! And look what you did! You were supposed to live for my needs, but you saved the best in this world for yourself!’ She pulled the bridle from the horse’s head. It turned back into crackled leather and rusted iron in her hands.

    She stared at it, dumbstruck and so did the horse.

    Once the horse saw the bridle for what it was, old, worn—and above all a bridle—his demeanor changed instantly. He reared up, pawing the air with his great hooves. In her haste to get out of the stall and away from him the princess dropped the bridle.

    The stallion turned his head to the stable door. The door was open. In her greed for the bridle the princess had forgotten to secure it. The stallion’s nostrils flared, catching the scent of long night runs, open water and wild grasses.

    He bolted through the open stable door, trampling the bridle to pieces in his escape.

    The horse gone the princess looked at the cracked leather bridle now laying broken on the ground. Off the horse’s head the magic was gone—there was nothing left in the bridle to want—and she felt a dawning horror as she finally understood her mother’s warning. The bridle’s only real worth was its ability to control the plow horse and she had lost its magic forever.

    Anonymous

    May 17, 2013 at 11:38 pm

    • What a great bedtime story for kids, boys especially.

      Bill D

      May 18, 2013 at 12:09 am

  39. I’m not American, but I honestly feel bad for American men. It is so unjust to get into marriages that are currently designed by your government to be sexist and unequal and will suck you alive for the rest of your marriage life. I have always believed that feminists have swung the pendulum so far, but not until I read Warren Farrel’s book “Women Don’t Hear What Men Don’t Say” that I heard the facts loud and clear. Why aren’t men standing up against this inequality? Some alimony stories sound so absurd to me. Sure I can understand “some” of the cases where the wife sacrificed and gave up her job to raise the kids (and got back to work after the kids have grown up). Even then, I still prefer that she works and both the husband/wife chip in to pay for daycare if they can afford it rather than the wife quitting her job and sacrifice her future job prospects forever.

    Something else. Why is the husband expected to pay for most things? Why do women demand such a thing from men, yet if men demand that they cook and take care of the house and kids, they’re ridiculed as “oppressive, old-fashioned and sexist”? What if we ridiculed women who assigned men the “money” role as “oppressive, old-fashioned and sexist”? Of course you can’t. It’s such a shame for a country that values equality this much.

    In my part of the world, women are oppressed. I keep fighting for their cause, but I get discouraged. I get discouraged because I see the direction they are going to: equality only where it works for them; otherwise keep the status quo because it serves them. I keep fighting for the cause nontheless. Marriages in my part of the world are still oppressive to women, I admit, but the direction we’re heading to is terrifying like yours. Women here demand that the man is responsible for ALL financial obligations in a marriage. Not only this, they claim that whatever money the wife earns if she works is all to herself and the husband should pay for her expenses and the kids. And for housewives, they demand that you bring a housemaid who cooks, cleans and raises the kids (full time housemaids). It’s pretty bad and I too have my serious doubts about getting married.

    Musicaholic

    May 26, 2013 at 3:00 am

  40. I LOVE THIS ARTICLE. 100% TRUE.

    Anonymous

    May 30, 2013 at 5:01 pm

  41. Holy this article has gotten a lot of feedback. Though some points may be applicable to certain relationships, it is definitly not applicable to all.

    For example in our relationship, as long as we have been together I have been the one forcing us to save money, and always have been the breadwinner in the family.

    When we started dating I had 6,000 saved from living at home, and that went out the drain when we moved in together and he took control of the money.

    I am also the primary parent and do the majority of all housework (only excluding taking out garbage or recycling, and then again when he is home sometimes I even will do those chores) I just find we are renting and our garbage and recycling locations are inconvenient to drop our stuff at with the kids in the house, or trying to take it myself with two toddlers in tow.

    Again I realize you are portraying a certain image of what YOU feel marriage consists of, but some men (my fiance) wanted the big wedding, and the tradition of what a marriage means and the whole day. That was something he wanted not me.

    You may be right about some people, but certainly not all couples, myself being one you are completely off with.

    Anonymous

    June 4, 2013 at 5:31 am

    • GTFO you feminist troll
      your husband is a pathetic beta mangina to have been dumb enough to marry you

      Anonymous

      June 5, 2013 at 10:10 pm

  42. Marriage is bad for men:

    1-Bad sex
    2-Wives nag.
    3-Wives have poker faces.
    4-Wives don’t cook, nor clean the house.
    5-Wives see their husbands as foes, due to feminism.
    6-She’d blame him for each and everyhing.
    7-She’d cheat on him.
    8-She’d incite children against him.
    9-She’d present herself victim always.
    10-She’d never appreciate him, while he’d always do.
    11-He’ll lose his freedom.
    12-He’ll lose money.
    13-He’ll lose sex with other women.
    14-He’ll live inside loneliness.
    15-The state and media are on her side.
    16-Upon divorce he’ll lose the house.

    Michel Abi Raad

    June 7, 2013 at 3:42 am

    • That’s a pretty short list, Michel.

      Bill D

      June 7, 2013 at 10:50 am

  43. Why marry?

    Current divorce rate – ~50%.

    Initiates divorce 70% of the time – women.

    Recipient of 94% of alimony to the tune of $9,400,000,000 a year in the US – women.

    Receives child custody 85% of the time – women.

    Marriage is for women. Divorce is for women.

    If you are upset men are not proposing, then *you* have a problem.

    Men are just acting rationally given the rampant sexism prevalent in family courts – a direct result of decades of lobbying by…women.

    Leo

    June 7, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    • Great post Leo! Women need to put put in their place and for the facts to come out about how much they abused the broken feminist system we have today. Marriage is a form of slavery developed by women for the benefit of women to take advantage of. Divorce is a welfare system developed by women so that women can marry a sucker and sit on their ass the rest of their life doing nothing but collect money they never earned.

      John

      June 13, 2013 at 12:24 pm

  44. Fuck off spambot! When did they start infiltrating here?

    Little Big Dave

    June 7, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    • Who’s spambot, moron?

      Leo

      June 8, 2013 at 5:18 am

      • Somehow that ended up posting as a response to you, which it wasn’t intended to be. Sorry, that was supposed to be a reply to the post about finding love through some witchcraft crap.

        Little Big Dave

        June 8, 2013 at 6:01 am

  45. This essay makes perfect sense. I grew up in an abusive environment where I was often criticised and put down.

    My mother was just as critical as my father was. I can see the depths both sexes can go to. I personally have no interest in marriage or relationships as I have certainly paid my suffering dues for the next few lifetimes
    The fact is that women are very critical of men and take
    over where mens fathers left off.

    I certainly would rather wank off when I feel the urge every 2 weeks or so, than be subjected to further abuse.

    Daniel Tzabary

    June 13, 2013 at 10:02 am

    • Their is one thing this essay is all about…the truth!!

      John

      June 13, 2013 at 12:29 pm

  46. Wow, this is sad. I do not believe in marriage at all, I think it’s old fashioned and I do not like the idea of becoming another person’s property; but for the record, the bride’s parents usually pay for the wedding, not the groom, and your approach to this topic is totally misogynistic. Not all women want to be married or give up their careers and not all men marry a gold digger.

    Alexa

    June 18, 2013 at 9:31 am

    • Good take on marriage Alexa. It’s good to discover women who shun the slavery of marriage as well as men. I’ve counselled young men to avoid such commitments and contracts like the plague and do nothing that might imply that one exists, e.g., don’t exchange rings and things like that. Commit only to be honest with each other.

      Yes, do fall in love, do have relationships and play house, do enjoy life with lovely women, but make sure co-habiting arrangements end before the two-year mark is reached. And have no children unless one commits voluntarily to raise and care for them. None.

      Make no commitments to anything extending beyond a year with a lover and that goes equally for women. Just say “no” to long term commitments and permanency.

      Bill D

      June 18, 2013 at 9:50 am

      • I agree with Bill D. Play house and fall in love but don’t make any commitments. Be VERY careful though, if you do choose to co-habitate there are some fucked up laws in some states where the woman still gets some share if you decide to part company. Definitely don’t have any kids or you will be stuck with child support whether there is an agreement that she would care for the child or not. The courts are so much on the side of the woman it’s sad. A man can’t have a normal relationship with a woman anymore without having to worry about the woman being attached to his pocket for the rest of his life. I really sick of this bullshit of men having to support women. If women want all this equality bullshit all the time, let them support themselves instead of using out-dated laws to attach to a man’s pocket.

        John

        June 19, 2013 at 6:06 am


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